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jaypipesdwalleck: wanna grab sam and matt?16:58
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jaypipes#startmeeting qa17:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 25 17:01:30 2012 UTC.  The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'17:01
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jaypipeswhatup QAers?17:02
davidkranzjaypipes: Hi Jay.17:02
toranduHello all17:02
Ravikumar_hpHi Jay17:02
nati_uenoHi All17:02
jaypipes#topic https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest,n,z17:03
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jaypipesOpen reviews... looks like there is only 1 not WORKINPROGRESS17:03
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jaypipesI reviewed it yesterday, if others could (EC2 tests), that would be great17:03
jaypipesdwalleck: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest,n,z17:03
dwalleckSorry, network issues17:04
jaypipesdwalleck: no worries. if you get a chance to review the last outstanding review (on EC2) that would be great17:04
dwalleckSure, can do17:04
davidkranzOf course the next step will be to test ec2 creating servers :)17:04
jaypipescheers17:04
jaypipesyes, right davidkranz17:04
dwalleckBut that's enabled by default in devstack, correct?17:05
davidkranzAny progress from any one on the parallel run stuff?17:05
jaypipesdwalleck: is EC2 API enabled you mean? yes it is by default17:05
jaypipesdwalleck: I think davidkranz was just remarking that the only tests in the patch so far are for EC2 keypairs17:05
davidkranzjaypipes: Right. The slow tests to follow...17:06
jaypipesdavidkranz: :)17:06
jaypipesso, I don't know of any pgroess on parallel exec17:06
dwalleckI haven't tried testtools yet. I did accidentally do something similar to parallel runner with just unittest, so it's a good sign that that type of solution would work17:06
davidkranzSo now we will have volume/cinder x osapi/ec2 x xml/json :(17:06
jaypipesI have done some reading into testtools, and things there look excellent. just have not had time to code it up17:07
clarkbhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/14611/ is a conversion on a relatively simple project17:07
toranduI need to read up on testtools. I'll make time for it this week17:07
jaypipesI did, however, make some progress toward a tool to describe openstack environments. hopefully should be able to push that out to the ML next week17:08
davidkranzjaypipes: Great.17:08
dwalleckawesome!17:08
davidkranzI have started looking at ceilometer.17:08
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davidkranzNow that it is incubated I wanted to give it a kick-start.17:09
davidkranzTHe first step is to make it really work in devstack and then provide some simple tempest tests.17:09
dwalleckThat'd be great17:09
jaypipes++17:09
davidkranzThat group may be tired of me already :)17:10
jaypipes:)17:10
jaypipes#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest17:11
davidkranzI got am email from a guy at Mirantis and I will follow up about getting the tempest-extensions from cisco if we can.17:11
jaypipes#topic bug triage17:11
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jaypipesdavidkranz: awesome news. thx!17:11
dwalleckIt's important stuff. I'm testing that type of thing from messages in rabbitmq, but having a nice interface would be much better17:11
jaypipes++17:11
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jaypipesOK, so I was hoping that today and tomorrow, our team can do some cleanup of the 73 Open bugs in tempest.17:12
davidkranzdwalleck: Which "type of thing"?17:12
dwalleckdavidkranz: usage/monitoring type info17:13
davidkranzjaypipes: A lot of those bugs were ones that I sent an email about a few months ago to the list.17:13
jaypipesdavidkranz: understood. just want to make another go at them...17:14
davidkranzjaypipes: They were things that had not been touched since early this year and I threatened to close them if there was no response.17:14
dwalleckI need to go through and either triage or close any that belong to me17:14
davidkranzdwalleck: That is what I had requested from bug owners.17:14
jaypipesdavidkranz: ok, so are you saying you will do the needful and close out the ones you threatened to close?17:14
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jaypipesdavidkranz: otherwise, I'm happy to do it.17:15
jaypipesjust let me know17:15
davidkranzjaypipes: Yes, after dwalleck tells me he is sone.17:15
davidkranz^^ done17:15
uvirtbotdavidkranz: Error: "^" is not a valid command.17:15
jaypipesdavidkranz: k17:15
davidkranzdwalleck: So just let me know. Feel free to close any others while you're at it.17:15
davidkranzjaypipes: I also have a concern that we have file some serious nova bugs that have not been looked at.17:16
jaypipesdavidkranz: which ones?17:16
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davidkranzjaypipes: I would also like to find a way to get priority on the bugs that will make a clean tempest run show no errors in the logs.17:16
jaypipesok, I can get behind that17:17
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davidkranzjaypipes: I have to dig them out.17:17
davidkranzjaypipes: I will send an email to the developer list with the bugs that should get some action.17:17
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jaypipesdavidkranz: ty17:18
jaypipesRavikumar_hp: do you know if Antoni has had a chance to look into testtools?17:19
Ravikumar_hpjaypipes: not yet. I will ping him and will get it prioritized17:19
jaypipesRavikumar_hp: cool. just have him hop on IRc and coordinate with torandu, who is also researching17:20
Ravikumar_hpsure17:20
jaypipesunless anyone has anything to bring up, I'm moving to close the meeting early and get back to the grind. Any objections?17:20
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toranduhow much effort do you estimate for a switch to testtools? how will it affect work now, in the short-term?17:21
mtreinishjaypipes: I was hoping someone could take a look at my coverage stuff soon17:21
jaypipestorandu: don't know the answers... that's what we're investigating :)17:21
torandureferring to test work in the current framework17:21
torandujaypipes: got it17:21
jaypipesmtreinish: hi! link?17:21
jaypipeshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/14530/17:21
dwalleck_If it just runs the test classes in parallel, hopefully not much to none17:21
SamDanesJay, I have the list of test classifications more or less done, where should I post it? On the openstack wiki somewheres?17:21
SamDanes:-)17:21
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mtreinishjaypipes: sure: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14468/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14530/17:22
toranduwhere can I jump in now on bugs and/ or other investigation?17:22
jaypipesmtreinish: will do today.17:22
mtreinishjaypipes: thanks17:22
jaypipestorandu: I think replacing base class inheritance from unittest.TestCase to testtools.TestCase and then fixing the way that fixtures at the module and package level are handled is a good start17:23
jaypipestorandu: basically, all the setup_package() calls need to be made in the style of the fixtures/testtools way.17:23
torandujaypipes: ok. I'll start on that17:24
jaypipestorandu: lifeless is the author and hangs out in #openstack-infra. I'm sure he would be happy to assist. also, clarkb just did a conversion of the python-keystoneclient to use testtools, in parallel, successfully17:24
clarkb*novaclient, but yes17:24
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torandujaypipes: kk. thx17:24
lifelessoh hai17:25
davidkranzSamDanes: We'll get to you.17:25
jaypipesclarkb: oh, oops, sorry :)17:25
jaypipesso... where to put SamDanes classification stuff? hmm...17:25
clarkbjaypipes: I sort of have nova running http://paste.openstack.org/show/22202/ shows the time differences on the same VM17:25
clarkbbut its really ugly at the moment17:26
davidkranzjaypipes: There isn't even a qa page in the wiki. I suggest we start at the top and work down to a page with this stuff.17:26
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davidkranzjaypipes: QA should be a "Common Project" on the home wiki page IMO.17:27
jaypipesdavidkranz: I know this may be cumbersome, but I think I would prefer to do it as git-managed changes to the openstack-qa docs, which automatically get uploaded to qa.openstack.org17:27
Ravikumar_hpdavidkranz: qa.openstack.org - the correct one may be outdated17:27
jaypipesdavidkranz: that way we can work with RST docs and have things published and controlled just like tempest source17:27
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Ravikumar_hpwe can start fron there17:27
davidkranzjaypipes: Works for me.17:27
jaypipesSamDanes: the repo is here: https://github.com/openstack-dev/openstack-qa17:28
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davidkranzPerhaps Sam's stuff could just go in http://qa.openstack.org/integration.html or a link from there.17:28
lifelessjaypipes: btw, for clarity - jml is the testtools maintainer, I'm an enthusiastic co-maintainer, but he is the bdfl for it [and we have a similar, reversed relationship for e.g. subunit]17:28
jaypipesSamDanes: feel free to close and update docs there?17:28
jaypipeslifeless: ah, good to know. thx for the correction!17:28
jaypipeslifeless: you are still awesome, though :)17:29
lifelessoh, I know :)17:29
jaypipeslmap17:29
SamDanesExcellent. I'll start with the classification document in the next day or so17:29
jaypipesSamDanes: much appreciated!17:29
dwalleck_That page needs to be updated period. That info is very old --> http://qa.openstack.org/integration.html17:30
davidkranzjaypipes: Where is the repo for openstack-qa docs?17:30
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jaypipesdavidkranz: see link above.17:30
jaypipesdwalleck_: very much agreed!17:30
jaypipesok folks, please do review mtreinish's branch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14530/) as well as the EC2 patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14689/)17:31
jaypipesanything else before we wrap up?17:31
jaypipesalrighty... ciao!17:31
jaypipes#endmeeting17:32
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nati_uenociao!17:32
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sdaguerussellb: ok, you wrote the agenda, I say you're it! :)21:07
sdaguehttp://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova21:07
russellbok21:07
russellbnow, how to work this bot ...21:08
russellb#startmeeting nova21:08
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 25 21:08:13 2012 UTC.  The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:08
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:08
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:08
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markmchowdy21:08
russellbAlright, nova meeting time.  Who's around?21:08
dansmith<-- here21:08
rmk<-- here21:08
mikalI'm here.21:08
russellbAgenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova21:08
mtreinishI'm here21:09
dprincehey21:09
russellb#topic features in nova-network21:09
*** openstack changes topic to "features in nova-network"21:09
sdague<-- here21:09
russellbso this is something I had a question about because of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14518/21:09
markmc#link https://review.openstack.org/1451821:09
* mikal looks at the review21:09
cburgess<-- here21:10
russellbI'd like to see focus on quantum and nova integration with quantum21:10
markmcabstract all the things21:10
russellbshould we lock down the nova networking code?21:10
rmkWe've actually put off submitting enhancements we've made to nova-network, so this general topic is a good one to discuss21:10
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rmkI think nova-network and quantum largely have different groups of people working on them and looking at them21:10
russellband i think that's not very helpful toward the long term goal21:11
sdaguerussellb: that's more of a cleanup, no?21:11
markmcrussellb, at a first glance, it doesn't look very invasive and mirrors the direction quantum is going21:11
mikalAre there people who can't yet use quantum for some reason?21:11
rmkSure but that's the reality, primarily because people are still using nova-network in production now21:11
rmkmikal: floating IPs21:11
sdagueand I agree that it's not all that useful that these groups are distinct21:11
mikali.e. are we blocking people who are stuck without quantum for now?21:11
cburgessmikal: yes floating IPs21:11
markmcin general, a policy of not adding tonnes of features to nova-network makes sense I think21:12
russellbsdague: it's not so much about this patch ... just made me thing about the general issue before something big comes up21:12
sdaguerussellb: agreed21:12
russellbok, but this particular thing is fine since it's not so big perhaps21:12
rmkmarkmc: Tons yes but fitting/suitable enhancements, why not?21:12
mikalmarkmc: I agree, but I think we shouldn't block people who have legitimate reasons to need to tweak nova-network for now21:12
markmcyep, agree21:13
mikalWe could ask that new features in nova-network get an equivalent added to quantum as part of the cost of the nova-network update?21:13
russellbyeah, tweaks are ok ... just hopefully nothing hugely invasive and drastic21:13
rmkFor example, we have code which allows an existing tenant to consume multiple layer3 networks on a single vlan21:13
sdaguemikal: I think that's a good call21:13
rmkWe'd submit it and I suspect a lot of people would use it but we weren't sure whether we should with Quantum being developed21:13
mikalsdague: it might be a bit unfair to demand someone learn two code bases though just to fix their production problem...21:13
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mikalPerhaps just require a quantum bug be filed before the nova-network code goes in?21:13
markmcrmk, that's the kind of thing I'd be more wary of21:14
markmcrmk, e.g. does quantum allow what you want?21:14
rmkmikal: That's reasonable21:14
rmkmarkmc: I don't believe Quantum does this21:14
rmkNot the way we have done it, to conserve use of VLANs21:14
markmcrmk, and how invasive (likely to break) is it to nova-network?21:14
markmcwell, quantum has a "provider networks" extension now21:14
markmcwhich might help, or at least get you closer21:14
rmkSounds like it will help for sure21:15
cburgessI would tend to agree that big features or substation changes like the multiple L3 sharing (which I wrote for us) should be done in quantum and a request made to be added to nova-network if its really needed.21:15
russellbso sounds like we're roughly on the same page on this topic21:15
cburgessHowever clean and flexability of config such as where your gateway (already in Folsom) and your DHCP server live (this patch we are discussing) should probably be added to nova-network to continue to allow flexability.21:15
russellbno hard rules need to be set I think21:15
rmkHow about a general policy of being open to changes, but will discuss each submission?21:15
russellbbut good to review it so we're reviewing consistently21:16
markmcyeah, good topic21:16
russellbI'd say nova-core should watch out for anything that may be considered too big and bring it up in this meeting21:16
mikalAgreed21:16
sdague+121:16
russellb#topic cells status21:17
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russellbcomstud: around?21:17
russellbthis was something we discussed having as a weekly agenda item until merged21:17
russellbstatus: not yet re-proposed?21:17
mikalIf he's not around, someone should take an action to ping comstud and ask him how its going and how we can help.21:17
russellbsure, i can do that.21:18
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russellb#action russellb to ping comstud about cells status21:18
russellb#topic nova bugs status21:18
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russellblast thing, another topic for every week21:18
* markmc phears21:18
russellbi.e. "how behind on bugs are we"21:19
mikalThere are a lot of untriaged bugs, which is no surprise21:19
russellbhttp://webnumbr.com/untouched-nova-bugs21:19
markmc40 ... not great, not terrible21:19
russellblooks like someone or some people have been doing some triage21:19
rmkyeah, new release and conference last week tied most of us up21:19
russellbso thanks to whoever has been working on it21:19
mikalI think the intention was also to call out people who were doing a good job, but I don't think we actually have a tool to do that at the moment.21:19
russellbcorrect21:19
markmcyeah, stats would be awesome21:19
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russellbbut also raise awareness if it gets too high so we can all pitch in a bit in the coming week21:19
mikalThere's a LP API, right? I've never used it.21:20
russellbif everyone could try to triage just a few every week, we'd be *much* better off21:20
markmcyeah, we use it for release management stuff21:20
russellbso, reminder, try to triage a few this week21:20
* markmc digs up a link21:20
sdaguemikal: there is, it's used in markmc's gitdm fork21:20
markmclp:~openstack-release/+junk/openstack-lp-scripts21:20
markmcbunch of lp code in their21:21
markmcoh yeah, gitdm too21:21
russellbanyone interested in taking on writing a script to gather some stats?21:21
markmchttps://github.com/markmc/openstack-gitdm/tree/master/launchpad21:21
russellbseems like something that another launchpad user may have written before, too ... would be worth searching around21:21
* markmc will prolly get to it eventually but ...21:21
russellbauthor of the script gets to weight their own stats!21:21
mikalLOL21:21
markmcwe should discount self-triage21:22
markmci.e. I file a bug and triage it myself21:22
mikalI will take a look, but no promises. I start travelling again tomorrow.21:22
russellbcool, understood21:22
russellbit's a "nice to have" anyway21:22
russellbbut would be a fun side project to hack up21:22
mikalI'll take it to the TC as a proposed core project.21:23
russellbif someone makes good progress, ping the ML so we're don't dupe too much effort21:23
russellbha21:23
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markmcmikal, we should talk to the board first21:23
mikalBoard smord21:23
sdaguerussellb: I might get some time tomorrow afternoon, and I've been using markmc's scripts so getting a little familiar with it21:23
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russellbgreat21:23
sdagueso put me in the same "will try to play" camp as mikal21:23
russellb#topic open floor21:23
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russellbanything else?21:24
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mikalWe have a lot of queued reviews21:24
russellbhow many?21:24
mikalUmmm, two and a bit screens in gerrit21:24
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sdaguemaoy about? I was hoping there would be a service group patch rev to fix a couple of minor things21:24
russellbyeah, a bit higher than we usually keep it21:24
comstudrussellb: i am here21:24
comstud(now)21:24
russellbcomstud: ah, great!21:25
markmc"Found 61 items for review"21:25
mikal70 apparently21:25
russellbcomstud: we have "cells" as a topic each week so we can work together to move it forward and get it in21:25
russellb#topic cells status21:25
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comstudok yep21:25
sdaguebaremetal needs some eyes as well, I think general agreement was to help them clean up and get in21:25
russellbcomstud: planning to propose soon?21:25
maoysgague: completely overwelmed by other things.. hopefully to get service group thing done tomorrow21:25
comstudi had to travel... but I am working on rebasing it against latest master21:25
sdaguemaoy: cool21:25
comstudfew new conflicts21:25
comstudAnd I want to attempt to split the patch up in some way21:26
russellbcomstud: k ... well i'm planning to jump in to help review once it's to that point21:26
sdaguecomstud: someone was going to propose in devstack support as well too right? so we can test the patch during review?21:26
comstudwas working on this today.. but haven't gotten too far yet due to meetings21:26
comstudsdague: i was actually just helping with that as well21:26
comstudit's getting close21:26
russellbnice21:26
sdaguecomstud: ok, cool.21:26
russellbcool, so perhaps proposed by next meeting then?21:26
comstudi can't speak for devstack21:27
comstudbut definitely for the cells code itself21:27
maoysdague: the subscribe API issue in service group Eric and some other guy brought up might deserve more time to think21:27
sdaguemaoy: ok21:27
russellbgreat, so then starting next week we can spend time each week digging through whatever review issues have come up to help move it along21:27
russellbthanks for the update, comstud21:27
comstudthankfully i'm not traveling next week!21:28
comstudnp21:28
russellb#topic open floor21:28
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sdague#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/13920/ - is the first bare metal review, could use more eyes21:28
russellbi guess baremetal is another big one we should have on our list to talk about each week ...21:28
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mikalrussellb: for sure21:29
russellbso baremetal patch #1 has a +2 from vish21:30
mikalLinky?21:30
russellb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/13920/21:30
russellbmarkmc: you had some concerns about this code, want to review again?21:30
russellb(next week or whatever, i know you're busy this week)21:31
markmcrussellb, I will do if it's still there when I come back from holidays21:31
russellbk.21:31
russellbany other topics?21:31
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russellbok, well thanks for coming everyone.  back to your regularly scheduled hacking.21:32
russellb#endmeeting21:32
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Oct 25 21:32:37 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)21:32
jog0when will the blueprint herding be done for Grizzly?21:32
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-10-25-21.08.html21:32
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-10-25-21.08.txt21:32
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-10-25-21.08.log.html21:32
sdaguethanks fearless leader!21:32
markmcnicely done russellb!21:32
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russellbjog0: good question, we need vish to talk about that.  ttx would like it done asap of course :)21:33
russellblast release meeting (this past tuesday) vish was in progress on it21:33
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russellbmarkmc: needs to be done for openstack-common, too.  ttx was also wondering if the lp project would be renamed to oslo or what21:34
russellbbecause he wanted to create the grizzly release series or whatever21:34
markmcrussellb, yeah, it will21:34
russellbbut wasn't sure where to do it21:34
russellbk21:34
jog0russellb:  thanks, looks like the grizzly blueprint list is still hasn't been worked on too much: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/grizzly21:34
sdagueyeh, I think there is still some decompressing21:35
russellbi'm still compressing21:35
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