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| nijaba | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 15:00 |
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| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 6 15:00:36 2012 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 15:00 |
| nijaba | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 15:00 |
| nijaba | o/ | 15:00 |
| gmb | o/ | 15:00 |
| spn | o/ | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| dachary | o/ | 15:01 |
| nijaba | great, looks like almost a full house! | 15:01 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
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| nijaba | #topic dhellmann to move summit proposal outlines to the wiki and email links to the dev mailing list | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dhellmann to move summit proposal outlines to the wiki and email links to the dev mailing list (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| nijaba | This was done and is now available at http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/GrizzlySummit | 15:01 |
| nijaba | More to come on the subject in a few minutes | 15:01 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to open a bug for cookbook and assign to jaypipes | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to open a bug for cookbook and assign to jaypipes (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:02 | |
| nijaba | Done as well. Bug #1046404 | 15:02 |
| nijaba | Jaypipes started working on it yesterday. Do you want to comment about it Jay? | 15:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1046404 in ceilometer "Ceilometer would welcome a chef cookbook" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046404 | 15:02 |
| nijaba | Well, jay may come back to it later... | 15:02 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to add architecture image to project /doc rather than link from google & to include a comment in the rst file linking to the google document where you build the image, so we can remember where it is later | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to add architecture image to project /doc rather than link from google & to include a comment in the rst file linking to the google document where you build the image, so we can remember where it is later (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:03 | |
| nijaba | This was merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12269/ | 15:03 |
| nijaba | That's it for last week's action, should we move on? | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | and the image is at http://ceilometer.readthedocs.org/en/latest/architecture.html | 15:03 |
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| jd___ | (hi) | 15:03 |
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| nijaba | hello jd___! | 15:03 |
| nijaba | #topic Discussion on session proposal for the summit | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion on session proposal for the summit (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:04 | |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/GrizzlySummit | 15:04 |
| nijaba | Any comments about these proposals? | 15:04 |
| nijaba | Does anyone else see other sessions we should be hosting at the dev summit? | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: based on ttx's email about the sessions, I wonder if the "State Of" session should really be done the way it's described. It seems more presentation-like than discussion. | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | I didn't realize they wanted to make that distinction this time | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | or maybe it has always been that way and I just didn't pick up on it during the folsom summit | 15:05 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: I think it should be a workshop, but preparing content to level set everyone is always a good idea | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | ok, that works | 15:05 |
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| dhellmann | leave plenty of time for discussion of future work? | 15:06 |
| nijaba | yup | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | I'll make a note of that on the wiki page | 15:06 |
| nijaba | thanks | 15:06 |
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| nijaba | anything else? | 15:06 |
| nijaba | Who is planning being at the summit? | 15:07 |
| dachary | o/ | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:07 |
| nijaba | o/ | 15:07 |
| spn | :-( | 15:07 |
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| dhellmann | angus' latest message on the mailing list implies he is coming, too | 15:07 |
| nijaba | I assumed he would | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: we should set up an openspace session to work through the metering vs. monitoring discussion | 15:08 |
| spn | yes | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | or is that part of beyond metering... | 15:08 |
| nijaba | that was the goal of the beyong metering session | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | oops, right, forgot | 15:08 |
| nijaba | and this is were angus will be very welcome :) | 15:09 |
| nijaba | not that he would not be in other sessions too | 15:09 |
| ttx | nijaba: fwiw, we have 3 extra rooms at the design summit. At least one of them should be organized with round tables... so there should be room for you to meet | 15:09 |
| ttx | even if no official "topic" is set | 15:09 |
| spn | interface for ceilometer is also a part of beyond metering? | 15:09 |
| spn | i meant in horizon | 15:09 |
| nijaba | ttx: do you think it is ok for us to ask fro 3 sessions? | 15:09 |
| nijaba | spn: no, would consider that fit in normal future work | 15:10 |
| ttx | nijaba: it's ok for you to occupy one of the round tables in the free room... and probably ok to book space in the other two for 3 sessions | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | spn: that's on the list for the "state of" session under "grizzly work to be done" | 15:10 |
| ttx | nijaba: especially early in the summit | 15:10 |
| ttx | when nobody rushes to get them | 15:10 |
| nijaba | ttx: but can we be mentioned in the official program? | 15:11 |
| spn | dhellman: yes.. sorry missed that | 15:11 |
| ttx | nijaba: that's a more tricky question. I don't think anyone will take up the hassle of syncing the unconference whiteboard with "the official program" | 15:11 |
| ttx | nijaba: but there should be opportunities to publicize it | 15:12 |
| nijaba | ttx: let's take this offline. | 15:12 |
| nijaba | shall we move to the next topic? | 15:13 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to see with ttx how our sessions can be shown on official program | 15:14 |
| nijaba | #topic Discussion on alternating meeting time to allow presence from down under | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion on alternating meeting time to allow presence from down under (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:14 | |
| nijaba | The result of the meeting time poll left out Angus. The new meeting time that was selected makes it a 1AM meeting for him. | 15:14 |
| nijaba | I have seen other projects have meeting time alternate to allow for a larger representation from around the globe. For example, we could hold meeting at 3PM UTC on even weeks and at 9PM UTC on odd weeks. What would you think of this? | 15:14 |
| gmb | Works for me. | 15:14 |
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| nijaba | This could also help us recruit more from asia | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | the idea is fine, I need to convert those times to see if they actually work for me | 15:15 |
| spn | 9PM -> 2.30AM | 15:15 |
| spn | Asia | 15:15 |
| nijaba | ah, then not so muc | 15:15 |
| nijaba | h | 15:15 |
| zigo | The current meeting is like 11pm. | 15:16 |
| zigo | That's fine for me. | 15:16 |
| zigo | Later it wouldn't. | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: both of those times work for me | 15:16 |
| zigo | (shanghai time) | 15:16 |
| spn | India current 8.30 PM is good.. :-) | 15:16 |
| dachary | works for me too | 15:17 |
| nijaba | so I guess 9PM UTC would be fine from western europe (11pm) to Autralia (inlcuding us) | 15:17 |
| spn | zigo: what is 9PM UTC for you? | 15:18 |
| zigo | That's 5am, Shanghai time, that's like crazy ! | 15:18 |
| zigo | I wouldn't *not* attend. | 15:18 |
| zigo | Sorry. I wouldn't be there. | 15:18 |
| nijaba | yup, but you could still attend on even weeks... which is the goal of alternating times | 15:19 |
| zigo | Fine then. | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | is there some way we could move more discussion to the mailing list, too? | 15:19 |
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| jd___ | dhellmann: +1 | 15:19 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: feel free to continue on the thread I started there | 15:19 |
| nijaba | or create a new one even | 15:19 |
| dachary | zigo: you have a baby, you don't sleep at 5am ;-) | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: I meant the sorts of things that we would discuss on IRC could also be discussed on the mailing list in some cases. | 15:20 |
| spn | on ML is anytime good | 15:20 |
| zigo | dachary: He actually wakes up at 6am, and *my wife* gets up! :) | 15:20 |
| nijaba | and I think we are, most of the time | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: true | 15:20 |
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| nijaba | #startvote should we hold our meetings at alternating times on even and odd weeks? Yes, No | 15:21 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should we hold our meetings at alternating times on even and odd weeks? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 15:21 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | #vote yes | 15:21 |
| jd___ | #vote yes | 15:21 |
| nijaba | #vote Yes | 15:21 |
| zigo | #vote yes | 15:21 |
| gmb | #vote yes | 15:21 |
| zigo | Is this case sensitive? :) | 15:21 |
| nijaba | please use Yes, not yes | 15:21 |
| nijaba | zigo, it is | 15:21 |
| dachary | #vote yes | 15:21 |
| zigo | #vote Yes | 15:21 |
| gmb | #vote Yes | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | #vote Yes | 15:21 |
| dachary | #vote yes | 15:22 |
| dachary | #vote Yes | 15:22 |
| dachary | damit | 15:22 |
| nijaba | hehe | 15:22 |
| zigo | :P | 15:22 |
| dachary | ahahah | 15:22 |
| zigo | Anyway, we all agree. | 15:22 |
| nijaba | yup | 15:22 |
| nijaba | #endvote | 15:22 |
| openstack | Voted on "should we hold our meetings at alternating times on even and odd weeks?" Results are | 15:22 |
| openstack | Yes (6): dachary, nijaba, dhellmann, gmb, zigo, jd___ | 15:22 |
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| nijaba | ok, so next week's meeting will be at 9PM UTC | 15:23 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to update meeting page to note new alternating meeting time | 15:23 |
| nijaba | #topic Release management | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release management (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:24 | |
| nijaba | as we are nearing the release of folsom, I think it would be great to try to release a first cut of Ceilometer in parallel to it. In order to do so, I think that we would need to have a "release manager" to keep us all on track for this delivery. What do you think? Any volunteer? | 15:24 |
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| eglynn__ | FYI weekly nova meeting also on Thurs at 2100 UTC | 15:24 |
| gmb | I'm happy to take on the responsibility for that | 15:24 |
| nijaba | eglynn__: ouch... | 15:24 |
| jd___ | arf | 15:25 |
| nijaba | should have checked that | 15:25 |
| eglynn__ | here are the taken slots ... http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | 15:25 |
| nijaba | eglynn__: I know where to check, jus tforgot to do t | 15:25 |
| eglynn__ | cool | 15:25 |
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| nijaba | anyone which to challenge gmb's offer to act as release manager for this release? | 15:26 |
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| nijaba | s/which/wish | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | thanks for volunteering, gmb! | 15:27 |
| gmb | np. | 15:27 |
| gmb | It fits in well with the recruiting of my team. | 15:27 |
| nijaba | #action gmb to act as release manage! | 15:27 |
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| nijaba | so now, let's discuss what is there to be done... | 15:27 |
| nijaba | In term of actions the list doug and I came up with is as follow: | 15:28 |
| nijaba | 1/ to review which feature we really need to have before calling it a first release | 15:28 |
| nijaba | 2/ to define a feature cut off date | 15:28 |
| nijaba | 3/ to have some qa/bug fixes done | 15:28 |
| nijaba | 4/ to ensure that documentation is aligned with the code, as well as | 15:28 |
| nijaba | deployment instructions that have been tested | 15:28 |
| nijaba | 5/ to decide on a versioning scheme and release channels | 15:28 |
| nijaba | Anything else that we forgot? | 15:28 |
| zigo | Has anyone started doing some .deb packaging? | 15:28 |
| nijaba | zigo: I think zul has | 15:28 |
| zul | nijaba: i looked at, i havent had a chance to start it yet | 15:29 |
| dachary | there is a ppa somewhere, not sure it's up to date though | 15:29 |
| zigo | So it should be set in the agenda, IMO. | 15:29 |
| zul | nijaba: lets talk after the meeting | 15:29 |
| nijaba | zul: k | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | zul: would the packaging instructions need to go in the ceilometer repo, or do those live somewhere else? | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | either is fine, I'm just curious about how that works | 15:30 |
| dachary | https://launchpad.net/~heut2008/+archive/ppa | 15:30 |
| zul | dhellmann: they live somewhere else | 15:30 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: the practice is to have no pkg in the upstream repo | 15:30 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 15:30 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: I'm going to make ceilometer recipes in the main nova cookbook for now, then once the nova db stuff is separated from ceilometer, I will push a separate ceilometer cookbook. | 15:30 |
| nijaba | packaging is "a distro thing", not an upstream thing. So I think we should concentrate on producing a tarball | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | jaypipes: it's looking like that change won't happen until grizzly | 15:31 |
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| dhellmann | nijaba: "python setup.py sdist"? | 15:31 |
| nijaba | why not | 15:31 |
| zul | nijaba: yes please :) | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | works for me, I just wasn't sure it was "enough" for anyone else | 15:32 |
| nijaba | gmb: ? | 15:32 |
| jaypipes | dhellmann: no? ok, no worries, I will hurry up on the recipes int he nova cookbook then. | 15:32 |
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| gmb | nijaba, I'm happy with a tarball and setup.py | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | jaypipes: yeah, time is running out | 15:32 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: looks like we would also need some example conf... | 15:32 |
| zigo | I was to propose myself to help on that... :) | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: that should be easy to add to the sdist using a manifest | 15:33 |
| nijaba | zigo: which that? | 15:33 |
| zigo | Packaging. | 15:33 |
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| nijaba | zigo: then please sync with zul | 15:33 |
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| zigo | k | 15:33 |
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| dhellmann | and please cc the openstack-dev mailing list so the rest of us can eavesdrop on the conversation! | 15:34 |
| nijaba | Regarding 1/ what do you think is really missing at the moment? Doug mentioned the API being a bit thin and Angus the auth on the API being a big need. What else? | 15:34 |
| nijaba | We had quite a few expectation for folsom-3 as described on http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/RoadMap but only one has been completed AFAICS. Noticeably, we currently have no coverage for anything outside of Nova. | 15:34 |
| nijaba | I think metering for swift and cinder would be really helpful... | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | adding auth to the api is actually bigger than wrapping the app with the middleware. all of the endpoints assume an admin user right now, which would have to change to include more complicated logic about users asking for data about other accounts. | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | yes, we're going to need cinder at DreamHost | 15:35 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: we may use the policy system used by keystone/nova probably? | 15:36 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: yup, I talked with jonathan last week, and that seemed a biggie. not swift though ;) | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | right, not swift :-) | 15:36 |
| nijaba | anyone caring about swift? | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | jd___: I don't know enough about the policy system to comment. Does it let you check if users have admin rights on specific projects? the project id would be in the URL | 15:37 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: yes, you map user/tenant/role to whatever you need in your app | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | jd___: that sounds like it should be usable then | 15:38 |
| nijaba | do you guys really want to see me coding? I could try to add a few bugs for the swift implementation... | 15:40 |
| eglynn__ | no metering coverage for glance either as yet, presumably? | 15:40 |
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| nijaba | eglynn__: nope, not yet | 15:41 |
| eglynn__ | (I *may* have some time available to look into that next week ...) | 15:41 |
| nijaba | eglynn__: bug #1004462 | 15:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1004462 in ceilometer "Listen for Glance notifications" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1004462 | 15:41 |
| eglynn__ | cool | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | eglynn__: please let us know if the docs for pollsters are not clear or detailed enough. I would like to have good enough developer docs that we can have pollsters contributed from outside of this small group! | 15:42 |
| eglynn__ | dhellmann: will do | 15:42 |
| nijaba | eglynn__: and if you start on it, please assign yourself to the bug, so that their is no duplication of effort | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 15:43 |
| eglynn__ | nijaba: understood! | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | how about the feature cut-off? do we want to try to have a release before the summit? | 15:44 |
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| nijaba | Regarding 2/ what milestones should we use? | 15:44 |
| nijaba | I think it would be nice to release before the summit, if not at the same time as folsom | 15:45 |
| jd___ | +1 | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | if we're going to have a qa period we should be cutting things off pretty soon | 15:45 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: 2 weeks for QA enough? | 15:45 |
| nijaba | it's a small project still | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | maybe a feature freeze at the end of september and -- yeah, nijaba that's what I'm thinking | 15:45 |
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| dhellmann | announce the release on the first day of the summit for maximum attention for our openspace sessions? | 15:46 |
| nijaba | gmb: can you take the action of proposing a plan on the ml withfixed dates? | 15:46 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: uhuh, marketing! | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | I propose a pre-1.0 version number, though, to reflect the incompleteness #antimarketing | 15:47 |
| nijaba | pre-1.0 as 0.9 ? | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | well, we haven't had any other releases. should it just be 0.1? | 15:47 |
| gmb | nijaba, Happy to. | 15:48 |
| nijaba | sure | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | maybe that's something to discuss on the ml, too | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | I don't have strong feelings, except that it should be < 1.0 | 15:48 |
| zigo | pre-1.0 isn't package friendly. | 15:48 |
| nijaba | #action gmb to a plan on the ml with fixed dates | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | zigo: I meant not 1.0, not exactly "pre-1.0" :-) | 15:48 |
| nijaba | #vote use 0.1 as our first release? yes, no | 15:49 |
| asalkeld | hi | 15:49 |
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| nijaba | #startvote use 0.1 as our first release? yes, no | 15:49 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: use 0.1 as our first release? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 15:49 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:49 |
| nijaba | #vote yes | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | #vote yes | 15:49 |
| gmb | #vote yes | 15:49 |
| spn | #vote Yes | 15:49 |
| jd___ | #vote yes | 15:49 |
| * gmb notes that nijaba has switched the cases for yes and no this time, to keep everyone on their toes... | 15:49 | |
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| spn | #vote yes | 15:50 |
| * nijaba tried to make things simpler... but yes, that too! ;) | 15:50 | |
| nijaba | #endvote | 15:50 |
| openstack | Voted on "use 0.1 as our first release?" Results are | 15:50 |
| openstack | yes (5): nijaba, dhellmann, jd___, spn, gmb | 15:50 |
| * dhellmann wonders if we're sure voting is actually case sensitive | 15:50 | |
| jd___ | it's not case sensitive according to the previous vote (I used lowercase) | 15:50 |
| nijaba | #startvote let's see if voting is case sensitive? YeS, nO | 15:51 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: let's see if voting is case sensitive? Valid vote options are YeS, nO. | 15:51 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | #vote invalid | 15:51 |
| openstack | dhellmann: invalid is not a valid option. Valid options are YeS, nO. | 15:51 |
| nijaba | #vote NO | 15:51 |
| jd___ | #vote No | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | #vote no | 15:51 |
| spn | #vote n0 | 15:51 |
| openstack | spn: n0 is not a valid option. Valid options are YeS, nO. | 15:51 |
| jd___ | spn: :D | 15:51 |
| gmb | #vote YEs | 15:51 |
| jd___ | #vote ∅ | 15:51 |
| openstack | jd___: ∅ is not a valid option. Valid options are YeS, nO. | 15:51 |
| spn | #vote No | 15:51 |
| nijaba | #endvote | 15:51 |
| dachary | #vote NO | 15:51 |
| openstack | Voted on "let's see if voting is case sensitive?" Results are | 15:51 |
| openstack | YeS (1): gmb | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | so it looks like it's not case sensitive and you get an error if you use a value that isn't an option | 15:51 |
| openstack | nO (4): nijaba, dhellmann, spn, jd___ | 15:51 |
| jd___ | mystery solved | 15:52 |
| nijaba | :) | 15:52 |
| gmb | I call that a win | 15:52 |
| dachary | +1 | 15:52 |
| jd___ | this meeting is totally worth it | 15:52 |
| gmb | :) | 15:52 |
| zigo | :) | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | we're about out of time, is there anything else we need to decide before wrapping up? :-) | 15:52 |
| spn | hehe.. | 15:52 |
| nijaba | ok, enough fun! :P | 15:52 |
| nijaba | #topic Open Discusssion | 15:52 |
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| nijaba | any other brillant subjects for today? | 15:53 |
| zigo | I've been searching what I should look into. | 15:53 |
| asalkeld | hi are you guys open to flask to wsgi? | 15:53 |
| zigo | Appart from Glance metering, is there anything I should work on? | 15:53 |
| spn | shud we be using the ceilometerclient to see the output? | 15:53 |
| jd___ | well, see you next week for "is #action <nickname> case sensitive" ! | 15:53 |
| zigo | (something easy...) | 15:53 |
| asalkeld | so move to move to more glance style api? | 15:53 |
| nijaba | zigo: swift should be decently easy, I think | 15:53 |
| jd___ | what about Quantum? | 15:53 |
| zigo | nijaba: Nobody did that yet? | 15:54 |
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| dhellmann | zigo: there are a bunch of tickets marked "effort-s" in the tracker | 15:54 |
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| dhellmann | asalkeld: not sure what you mean. our api is written in flask right now. | 15:54 |
| asalkeld | I know | 15:54 |
| asalkeld | are you open to me changing that | 15:54 |
| spn | dhellmann: and devstack does not mark flask as requires... | 15:54 |
| nijaba | zigo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bugs?field.tag=effort-s | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | spn: the ceilometer client is experimental right now. we don't have an official client project | 15:54 |
| asalkeld | to be more consistent with other openstack api | 15:55 |
| spn | dhellman: ok.. | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | spn: does devstack set up the api? | 15:55 |
| eglynn__ | I don't think devstack runs the API service | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: let's discuss changes of that scope on the mailing list, we won't have time to go into the details here (5 min) | 15:55 |
| spn | dhellman: not yet.. but I see that flask is missing | 15:55 |
| asalkeld | ok dhellmann | 15:56 |
| nijaba | zigo: nope, see bug #1004450 | 15:56 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1004450 in ceilometer "Pollster for Swift" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1004450 | 15:56 |
| zigo | Cheers. | 15:56 |
| zigo | Will try. | 15:56 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann make sure flask is listed as a dependency of ceilometer | 15:56 |
| zigo | Could anyone do a bit of mentoring with ne? | 15:56 |
| zigo | jd___: Do you have time for that? | 15:56 |
| zigo | s/ne/me | 15:56 |
| jd___ | zigo: eventually | 15:57 |
| zigo | Cheers. | 15:57 |
| jd___ | :) | 15:57 |
| spn | dhellman: flask from ubuntu is older version. need to mark it in files/pips/ceilometer *may-be* | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | spn: thanks! | 15:57 |
| nijaba | ok, looks like we have a wrap | 15:58 |
| nijaba | thanks everyone! was another fun meeting! | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 15:58 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| * zigo goes to bed then. | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 6 15:59:07 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| spn | thanks.. nijaba and | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-09-06-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| spn | everyone | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-09-06-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-09-06-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| dachary | cheers all | 15:59 |
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| jaypipes | QAers... ready to meet? | 17:01 |
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| davidkranz | Here. | 17:01 |
| jaypipes | #startmeeting qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 6 17:01:54 2012 UTC. The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:01 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: I haven't seen anyhing back from Vish about all the problems we are having. | 17:02 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: What did you think of Jim's proposal last night? | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: I'm still playing catchup on emails/list messages | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: reading it now. :) | 17:03 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: OK | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: gimme a few minutes to read, ok, then we discuss? | 17:03 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Sure. | 17:03 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: responded to jeblair on ML | 17:18 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I saw. | 17:18 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: I think #2 and #3 are good, I'm tentative on #1 | 17:18 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Yeah. I think we need the upside of that right now. | 17:19 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: For the downside, we could have an "advisory gate" on all of tempest. | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: well, that's what jeblair's #3 was, and I support that. | 17:19 |
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| jaypipes | my only thing is I don't want to make the *tempest* project gate less than the full test suite | 17:20 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: The problem is that if some one breaks something in the "adivosry" gate tempest will still be blocked if we enforce that. | 17:21 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: yes, I understand that. | 17:21 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: The way I have dealt with this in the past was to make it advisory but always have some one on the hook to fix a problem as their first priority. | 17:22 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: it sucks, but I actually think it's better to just deal with a broken tempest and work as closely as psosible with the core proejcts when breaks occur | 17:22 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: works for me :) but it's not me you need to convince ;) | 17:22 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Right. I think we could do what you are suggesting if Vish buys into it. | 17:22 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I just hate to see important unrelated work in tempest getting pissed on all the time. | 17:23 |
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| dansmith | so, I'm confused.. | 17:23 |
| dansmith | I thought the point of not running full tempest every time was a matter of resources | 17:23 |
| dansmith | running it every time and making it only advisory seems to get all the pain with none of the gain | 17:23 |
| dansmith | (or fractional gain) | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | dansmith: It is not just resources (bandwidth) but wait time (latency) as well I think. | 17:24 |
| dansmith | davidkranz: okay, I thought Jim's comments were mostly around resources | 17:24 |
| dansmith | seems like making the temptest test advisory during check and required during gate would help get a quick sniff before the reviewers have at it, | 17:25 |
| davidkranz | dansmith: There is also the issue of the startup time which would be shared in his suggestion. | 17:25 |
| dansmith | and then require them to fix up things before it can be merged | 17:25 |
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| dansmith | my opinion, which I think is shared by davidkranz, is that tempest gets shoved to the back of the line constantly if things are asymmetrical, which I think discourages folks from contributing to it | 17:26 |
| dansmith | which is the opposite of what should be happening | 17:27 |
| dansmith | I speak from experience of course :) | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | We need to do what will | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | 1. Get all tempest tests working again asap | 17:28 |
| davidkranz | 2. Minimize failing tempest gates | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: agree with you. | 17:28 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I agree that we should turn on the full tempest gate asap but perhaps for the moment we should turn it off until things are settled. | 17:29 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: what does that buy us exactly, though? | 17:29 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: If some one breaks a tempest test then we will be informed immediately but a core reviewer does not have to rush to figure out what it is and comment it out to unblock the kqueue. | 17:30 |
| jaypipes | but unblocking the queue just means broken tempest goes into trunk.. | 17:31 |
| davidkranz | If we could run full tempest on everyhthing that would be great but Jim doesn't want to do that. | 17:31 |
| davidkranz | If we run the full gate only on tempest that what I described will happen. It's been happening. | 17:32 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Sorry for mistakes from typing too fast... | 17:33 |
| jaypipes | hehe, no worries :) | 17:33 |
| dansmith | just brainstorming here, | 17:34 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: and what I am saying is that what has been happening is the better of the two worlds, IMHO, because it's not allowing broken code into tempest... | 17:34 |
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| dansmith | but could we introduce another batching mechanism for merging things into a core project, where five or ten patches get grouped for a single tempest run before landing? | 17:34 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: could we make the full tempest gate smarter to just run tests above the smoke level that appear to have been touched by the patch in question? | 17:35 |
| sdague | or is there a way to break up tempest into chunks that could be run in parallel, to address latency | 17:35 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: that would be more symmetrical, not punishing the unrelated tests because of nova breakages, but without letting people check in things that are clearly broken | 17:35 |
| jaypipes | sdague: unfortunately, not with the current architecture of tempest (using nosetests and its multiprocessing plugin, which is buggy to say the least() | 17:36 |
| jaypipes | I'm just not sure :( | 17:37 |
| davidkranz | This is a tough issue. I think if we could get the nova team to look at these things at high priority it would help. | 17:38 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: agreed. | 17:38 |
| davidkranz | I am not in favor of spending a lot of time on countermeasures just to get around that. | 17:39 |
| jaypipes | me neither. | 17:39 |
| davidkranz | This hasn't been a big problem until now and probably won't be going forward. | 17:39 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: So who will "bell the cat"? | 17:39 |
| dansmith | I'll be at the meeting anyway | 17:40 |
| dansmith | to talk about XML stuff | 17:40 |
| dansmith | so I can do it if nobody else is going to be there for other reasons | 17:40 |
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| davidkranz | dansmith: Good. I forgot the nova meeting is today. | 17:40 |
| davidkranz | dansmith: Virutal Wednesday :) | 17:40 |
| jaypipes | k | 17:41 |
| sdague | it does seem like it's going to be impossible to handle the nova breaking tests in tempest that aren't run in the system, seems like we really need to figure out a way to get tempest run in the CI, otherwise we're just getting by by blind luck :) | 17:41 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: Right. We spend a bunch of time parallelizing tempest but fell down due to the multiprocessing nose issue AFAIK. | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | sdague: well, jeblair's sugegstion (#3) was to have the whole temptest suite run for all commits in the core projects, but only *gate* on the smoke + more tests | 17:42 |
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| dansmith | yeah, see, that's just expending the resources for little gain, IMHO, and doesn't really make sense | 17:43 |
| dansmith | if the concern is checking something in at lightning speed, | 17:43 |
| sdague | that does mean a nova bug, which we can confirm is a bug, has a test case can be checked in though? right? | 17:43 |
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| dansmith | then we could have another special jenkins command to "reverify, sans tempest" | 17:43 |
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| dansmith | perhaps the latency concern is because the gate tests are all run sequentially? certainly the tempest one could be run in parallel to the other ones and not increase the total time-to-commit by too much | 17:45 |
| sdague | davidkranz, jaypipes: is the existing multi processing work in the tree, or a seperate branch? maybe we can try to help there. | 17:45 |
| davidkranz | I think the point of Jim's suggestion is that if a failure was directly tied to a particular change, the nova folks would react more quickly. | 17:45 |
| jaypipes | sdague: one sec, looking for link... | 17:46 |
| davidkranz | Where we are now, some one has to spend a lot of time figuring out which change broke things and no one has time for that. | 17:46 |
| sdague | jaypipes: or break up the tempest sets manually and run them manually in parallel | 17:46 |
| davidkranz | That is the situation we absolutely need to avoid. | 17:46 |
| davidkranz | So I am in favor of Jim's idea until we can find something better. | 17:47 |
| dansmith | davidkranz: but that doesn't help in the immediate short term, right? because things are flaky enough in tempest at the moment, | 17:47 |
| dansmith | that people will learn to just ignore the advisory run because it "nearly always fails" | 17:47 |
| sdague | sounds like it's also worth a summit session to try to throw around ideas on how to make the situation better, hopefully get folks from nova in the room for the discussion as well | 17:47 |
| dansmith | I'd think the social laziness will route around that in no time :D | 17:48 |
| davidkranz | dansmith: As of my change a little while ago things are working again. | 17:48 |
| dansmith | davidkranz: for how long? :) | 17:48 |
| dansmith | I'm just saying... | 17:48 |
| davidkranz | The first priority is for the nova folks to fix the stuff I commented out. | 17:48 |
| jaypipes | sdague: just run current tempest with --processes=4 and you'll see the issue. | 17:48 |
| sdague | jaypipes: cool, will do | 17:49 |
| davidkranz | As I said, I would be happy to turn on the full gate but they don't want to do it. | 17:49 |
| jaypipes | sdague: has to do with the multiprocessing plugin not understanding module-level and package-level fixtures | 17:49 |
| davidkranz | dansmith: I think we need to take immediate action to tie breakages to particular checkins whether they gate or not. And Jim agreed to that. | 17:50 |
| davidkranz | So I suggest | 17:50 |
| dansmith | davidkranz: understand, and I certainly won't argue that that helps.. however, I think it's likely that doing so will only help tempest folks sweep up after nova folks more efficiently :D | 17:50 |
| davidkranz | 1. Ride on nova to fix the current problems | 17:51 |
| dansmith | /helps/hurts/ | 17:51 |
| davidkranz | 2. Tie future breakage to checkins | 17:51 |
| sdague | davidkranz: is there a link to the issues in nova that need to be fixed here? a tag or something for these issues? | 17:51 |
| davidkranz | 3. Get full tempest to be reliable and fast enough to use as full gate. | 17:51 |
| sdague | sorry, I too am coming back from a bunch of vacation, so still catching up :) | 17:51 |
| davidkranz | sdague: I filed a nova bug today for the primary issue | 17:51 |
| sdague | davidkranz: cool, url? | 17:52 |
| davidkranz | sdague: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1046870 | 17:52 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1046870 in nova "Tempest showing nova compute failures" [Undecided,New] | 17:52 |
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| sdague | davidkranz: thanks | 17:53 |
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| davidkranz | Anything else? The time is up. | 18:01 |
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| davidkranz | #endmeeting | 18:06 |
| clarkb | davidkranz: jaypipes will need to do that. If he doesn't get to it soonish I can end the meeting | 18:06 |
| jaypipes | #endmeeting | 18:07 |
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| davidkranz | clarkb: I see that. I just pinged him. | 18:07 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 6 18:07:14 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:07 |
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| ttx | ... | 21:00 |
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| vishy | #starmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| vishy | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 6 21:01:31 2012 UTC. The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:01 |
| * dansmith wonders what the Star Meeting is | 21:01 | |
| ttx | o/ | 21:02 |
| markmc | yo | 21:02 |
| russellb | HI | 21:02 |
| dprince | hello | 21:02 |
| vishy | #topic bug triage | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug triage" | 21:02 | |
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| vishy | I have not been on top of this. | 21:03 |
| ttx | 66 untriaged today | 21:03 |
| * vishy has been finding new bugs | 21:03 | |
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| * markmc didn't get to do his 20 this week yet | 21:03 | |
| markmc | 66 | 21:03 |
| markmc | that's depressing | 21:03 |
| * ttx hasn't found time eiher. Crazy elections | 21:03 | |
| markmc | we had it down below 40 last week AFAIR | 21:04 |
| ttx | should do a few tomorrow | 21:04 |
| vishy | its like digging a hole in the ocean | 21:04 |
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| ttx | I don't see any other way of checking we didn't overlook something, though... | 21:05 |
| vishy | agreed | 21:05 |
| ttx | at least some casual check | 21:05 |
| vishy | i guess we just keep plugging away | 21:05 |
| ttx | no need to reproduce them | 21:05 |
| ttx | most of the time you can feel if they look genuine | 21:06 |
| jk0 | o/ | 21:06 |
| vishy | lets try to just do a first pass and get them down to 0 | 21:06 |
| vishy | looking for critical ones | 21:06 |
| markmc | yeah, being able to "casually triage" is a skill you acquire over time | 21:06 |
| markmc | when you get started triaging, you tend to over-triage | 21:06 |
| ttx | better casually triaged than completely unseen | 21:07 |
| markmc | yep | 21:07 |
| dansmith | are you instructing us to do things half-assed? | 21:07 |
| dansmith | I thought I'd never see the day! | 21:07 |
| * russellb tends to try to reproduce, or at least read code to verify bug is there and spends too much time on each one | 21:07 | |
| ttx | the goal here is to catch the overlooked kitten killer | 21:07 |
| dansmith | I'm really good at half-assing things | 21:07 |
| * vishy elects dansmith | 21:07 | |
| dansmith | hah | 21:07 |
| vishy | professional half-asser | 21:07 |
| russellb | congrats | 21:07 |
| ttx | dansmith: cheers | 21:07 |
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| russellb | .#note dansmith is now the official professional half-asser | 21:08 |
| dansmith | hah | 21:08 |
| vishy | ok so everyone try to go through at least five bugs and mark critical ones for folsom | 21:08 |
| russellb | i'll take your 5 and do 10! | 21:08 |
| dansmith | just so I'm clear, | 21:08 |
| dansmith | I don't think that non-core folks can mark things in terms of importance, can we? | 21:08 |
| ttx | just set the milestone to folsom-rc1 for those you think should be on release radar | 21:08 |
| russellb | yes you can | 21:08 |
| dansmith | I think I can confirm/incomplete them, but that's it... | 21:09 |
| ttx | dansmith: just join ~nova-bugs | 21:09 |
| dansmith | oh, hmm, okay | 21:09 |
| dansmith | oh | 21:09 |
| ttx | open team | 21:09 |
| russellb | open team | 21:09 |
| vishy | #topic RC1 buglist | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC1 buglist" | 21:09 | |
| ttx | russellb: I wonder how much longer it wil take people to realize we are the same person | 21:09 |
| russellb | ttx: not long if you bring it up in a meeting like that | 21:09 |
| vishy | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/folsom-rc1 | 21:10 |
| * vishy wonders why ttx/russellb is talking to himself | 21:10 | |
| markmc | russell's french accent gives him away every time | 21:10 |
| russellb | so a few on the rc list unassigned | 21:11 |
| ttx | vishy: 2 unassigned | 21:11 |
| ttx | err. 3 actually | 21:11 |
| ttx | bug 1042215 | 21:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1042215 in nova "Add unit testing coverage for nova.volume.cinder.API" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042215 | 21:11 |
| ttx | which should be "wishlist" imho | 21:11 |
| russellb | yeah. | 21:11 |
| vishy | just looking through those | 21:12 |
| ttx | (folsom-rc1-targeted, but wishlist) | 21:12 |
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| vishy | the other two look pretty simple | 21:12 |
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| vishy | anyone want to volunteer? | 21:12 |
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| russellb | i'll take one | 21:13 |
| jog0 | vishy: I can take 1042539 | 21:13 |
| russellb | um ... flavorid one i suppose | 21:13 |
| eglynn | vishy I'll grab the other tmrw | 21:13 |
| vishy | cool | 21:13 |
| * jog0 hand the bug to russellb | 21:13 | |
| ttx | assign yourselves directly | 21:13 |
| vishy | aye | 21:13 |
| russellb | jog0: heh, ok. | 21:13 |
| vishy | #topic outstanding reviews | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "outstanding reviews" | 21:14 | |
| ttx | vishy: on the critical list, the most scary is bug 1040956 | 21:14 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1040956 in nova ""Unable to get quota information" in horizon when using quantum" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040956 | 21:14 |
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| ttx | the others sound under control, i.e. a course of action is defined | 21:15 |
| markmc | ttx, unclear if bug 1040956 has a nova aspect at this point | 21:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1040956 in nova ""Unable to get quota information" in horizon when using quantum" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040956 | 21:15 |
| ttx | markmc: right, my point exactly | 21:15 |
| markmc | ttx, needs at least a plan spelled out in the bug | 21:15 |
| ttx | or being abandoned/deferred | 21:16 |
| vishy | the proxy solution is the right one | 21:16 |
| vishy | but it is too late to get that in | 21:16 |
| markmc | 53 reviews outstanding | 21:16 |
| ttx | vishy: how much critical is this ? Could it be considered a known gap ? | 21:16 |
| vishy | the fix to have it return none seems like it could be done to stop the error at least | 21:17 |
| russellb | markmc: seems to hover around 50 | 21:17 |
| markmc | russellb, despite everyone's best efforts :/ | 21:17 |
| russellb | well some amount is normal, things in progress | 21:17 |
| markmc | 12436 is for one of the targeted bugs | 21:17 |
| russellb | we should define what "keeping up" means, and track against that, because it's not 0 open reviews | 21:17 |
| markmc | https://review.openstack.org/12436 | 21:17 |
| ttx | vishy: maybe just make sure the plan is defined, and the assignee still on track to implement that plan | 21:18 |
| vishy | i think we are doing pretty well with reviews | 21:18 |
| vishy | this one I would like some other opinions on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11923/ | 21:18 |
| ttx | (on 1040956) | 21:18 |
| russellb | yikes, looks invasive for this late in the game | 21:19 |
| markmc | yeah, was about to call that out too | 21:19 |
| russellb | (libvirt network one) | 21:19 |
| markmc | bug is targeted | 21:19 |
| ttx | vishy: is the folsom-rc1 buglist complete as far as triaged bugs go ? Only missing potential blockers from the untriaged list ? | 21:19 |
| jog0 | I have one I waiting on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12231/ | 21:19 |
| dansmith | ttx: when triaging, are we to target legit bugs to folsom? not sure I should be making that determination :D | 21:19 |
| dprince | I've got one coming for Nova volumes (which we just broke 4 hours ago) | 21:20 |
| vishy | dansmith: default to target it if it looks important | 21:20 |
| dansmith | vishy: okay | 21:20 |
| vishy | dprince: :( k | 21:20 |
| vishy | dprince: how did we break it? | 21:20 |
| ttx | dansmith: folsom-rc1 targeting is just a simple way to bring the bug to release radar | 21:20 |
| dprince | merged in some iscsi driver stuff from Cinder. | 21:20 |
| dansmith | ttx: okay, just seems like too much responsibilty for someone like myself :P | 21:21 |
| ttx | dansmith: we can remove the milestone target if it's abusive | 21:21 |
| markmc | iscsi stuff is getting worrying | 21:21 |
| vishy | oh that is the one that I wanted to discuss | 21:21 |
| vishy | i will save it for its own topic though | 21:21 |
| ttx | vishy: is the folsom-rc1 buglist complete as far as triaged bugs go ? Only missing potential blockers from the untriaged list ? | 21:22 |
| vishy | ttx: afaik | 21:22 |
| ttx | ok | 21:22 |
| vishy | ttx: can you use your launchpad foo to get a list of in progress bugs that are not targetted | 21:22 |
| vishy | to see if some haven't been targetted yet? | 21:23 |
| vishy | #topic Tempest gating | 21:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest gating" | 21:23 | |
| ttx | vishy: htat will require a launchpadlib script that I won't be able to produce until some sleep is poured into me | 21:23 |
| vishy | i'm not sure what this topic is | 21:23 |
| dansmith | I added this one on behalf of the qa folks | 21:23 |
| vishy | ttx: no worries, I was hoping that search options might make it | 21:23 |
| vishy | dansmith: ok go | 21:23 |
| dansmith | so, there's a thread going on on the qa-team list | 21:24 |
| ttx | vishy: also do we really want to target all inprogress bugs ? They will end up on the RC1 is they merge, and not if not | 21:24 |
| dansmith | about the asymmetric nature of the gating into tempest and other projects like nova | 21:24 |
| vishy | ttx: no I was just curious for the list to see if any should be targetted | 21:24 |
| dansmith | nova can check stuff in all day long as long as it passes the smoke tests, but may (and does often) break tempest, | 21:24 |
| dansmith | which prevents further stuff from going into tempest until it's resolved | 21:24 |
| dansmith | usually the way that happens is by adding a commit in front of somethign to skip the newly-broken test | 21:25 |
| dansmith | since tempest is not run against every commit in nova, it makes it real hard to figure out which commit broke something | 21:25 |
| dansmith | as it is usually days later before the breakage is noticed in tempest | 21:25 |
| dansmith | the suggestions have been: | 21:25 |
| ttx | vishy: you can search for in progress bugs and see which ones don't have the watch icon that denotes milestone targeted | 21:25 |
| dansmith | 1. Add a non-gating run of tempest for every nova commit, and ask the nova core folks to try to keep an eye on things when that non-voting test fails | 21:26 |
| vishy | dansmith: how about a non-voting tempest test | 21:26 |
| dansmith | 2. Make it voting, which will delay nova gate quite a bit | 21:26 |
| vishy | my vote would be start non-voting | 21:26 |
| dansmith | vishy: that's one option, although I think social behavior will route around that fairly quickly because tempest is already a bit flaky, | 21:26 |
| russellb | +1 to non-voting on every commit | 21:26 |
| dansmith | and folks will start to ignore it | 21:26 |
| dansmith | I think that long-term, | 21:26 |
| russellb | i would always look personally ... doesn't take long to scan to see which test it was | 21:26 |
| ttx | vishy: there are 101 of them | 21:27 |
| russellb | and see if it was a test that looks related to what the change was | 21:27 |
| russellb | ttx: but only 53 reviews, heh. | 21:27 |
| dansmith | they're looking for some support from nova-core on a voting run, once some performance (i.e. parallel runnage) issues can be addressed in tempest | 21:27 |
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| russellb | I think we should have it non-voting for a while to gain the support for a voting run | 21:27 |
| dansmith | russellb: if nova-core can/will do that reliably, then I think that will go a long way | 21:27 |
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| ttx | russellb: some people being overly optimistic.. and abandoned reviews. | 21:27 |
| vishy | russellb: agreed | 21:27 |
| markmc | any tempest test which isn't gating becomes something qa folks will always need to chase | 21:28 |
| markmc | but the gate can't take a silly amount of time | 21:28 |
| russellb | how long does a full tempest run take now? | 21:28 |
| dansmith | jaypipes and I think that long term, it really needs to be symmetric | 21:28 |
| markmc | right, doesn't seem right for tempest to gate on the full set of tests | 21:28 |
| dansmith | depends on the machine, but I think it runs in a little less than 45 minutes on my VM | 21:29 |
| dansmith | which is obviously a huge problem for nova's gate | 21:29 |
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| dansmith | there's work identified to try to mitigate that | 21:29 |
| dansmith | markmc: exactly, | 21:29 |
| dansmith | markmc: it means that tempest is always broken and folks are discouraged from contributing because you always have to clean up someone else's mess first | 21:29 |
| eglynn | aren't a subset of the tempest tests annotated as smoke tests? | 21:29 |
| dansmith | believe me, I know :) | 21:29 |
| russellb | yeah ... if it ran in the early jenkins check run, it would probably finish before it's approved | 21:29 |
| dansmith | eglynn: yes, that's the gate now, and it's wayyyyy small | 21:29 |
| markmc | how about we (nova) decide what's an acceptable length of time for the gate? | 21:29 |
| dansmith | russellb: well, if that is run async to the check, but I'm not sure if that's the plan or not | 21:30 |
| russellb | markmc: 2 minutes! | 21:30 |
| markmc | tempest folks can make as many tests gating as they want, so long as it comes under that | 21:30 |
| markmc | everything else winds up something they have to chase | 21:30 |
| dansmith | markmc: that certainly sets a goal to achieve :) | 21:30 |
| markmc | non-voting thing sounds reasonable way to get some help chasing, but will probably have limited success | 21:30 |
| dansmith | markmc: right, I can ignore stuff all day long if it doesn't block me.. it's part of my half-assed job :) | 21:31 |
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| dansmith | if nova-core is diligent about it, then it becomes non-blocking for the flaky cases, while still helping towards the end goal | 21:31 |
| vishy | so sounds like we are agreed | 21:32 |
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| vishy | non-gating test at first | 21:32 |
| vishy | then gating added later | 21:32 |
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| russellb | at least up to a sane amount of time | 21:32 |
| vishy | nova core will look for breakages | 21:32 |
| dansmith | so you're in support of eventually shooting for a full gate as long as some reasonable attempt to speed it up is made? | 21:33 |
| dansmith | I think that will work for everyone | 21:33 |
| russellb | works for me | 21:33 |
| dansmith | cool | 21:33 |
| markmc | dansmith, what gets in gate now? type='smoke'? | 21:33 |
| dansmith | markmc: yep | 21:33 |
| markmc | dansmith, so, it's totally up to you guys what gates and what doesn't | 21:33 |
| markmc | dansmith, we'll just moan if we notice it's taking too long | 21:34 |
| vishy | #topic XML support and sample testing | 21:34 |
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| dansmith | markmc: heh, well, that's one way to look at it ;) | 21:34 |
| vishy | so lots of progress here | 21:34 |
| vishy | we have all the core apis covered now except that servers needs to be expanded a bit | 21:35 |
| vishy | I think it is optomistic to think we will cover all of the extensions | 21:35 |
| vishy | but I think we can cover the most important ones | 21:35 |
| vishy | and get the rest in early grizzly | 21:35 |
| markmc | cool stuff | 21:36 |
| markmc | vishy, small thing, approve the samples move to docs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12246/ | 21:36 |
| dansmith | vishy: do you want to prioritize those? | 21:36 |
| dansmith | if so, we'll pick from the list in order | 21:36 |
| vishy | dansmith: Yeah i was hoping to go through them | 21:36 |
| vishy | i think top priority is expanding servers tests to add the other list and posts | 21:37 |
| vishy | and actions | 21:37 |
| vishy | then i will try to go through the list of extensions and come up with which are most important | 21:37 |
| dansmith | vishy: okay, I did the start/stop action extension already, | 21:37 |
| dansmith | so I can look at the core ones too | 21:37 |
| vishy | dansmith: cool | 21:38 |
| vishy | dansmith: I would split the servers tests into two groups | 21:38 |
| vishy | or maybe three | 21:38 |
| vishy | I don't think we need to run the all_extensions tests for all of the servers tests | 21:38 |
| vishy | other than that, I hopefully will have time to do a couple more | 21:39 |
| vishy | #topic Removing Compute/Scheduler 1.x RPC APIs | 21:39 |
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| vishy | not sure who added this one | 21:39 |
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| maurosr_ | I can help too | 21:39 |
| russellb | that was from last week | 21:39 |
| markmc | vishy, leftovers from last week? | 21:40 |
| markmc | it's in now | 21:40 |
| russellb | markmc: did all of those changes make it in? | 21:40 |
| markmc | yeah | 21:40 |
| russellb | settled! :) | 21:40 |
| vishy | woo! | 21:40 |
| vishy | additional bonus topic then | 21:40 |
| vishy | #topic syncing from cinder to nova-volumes | 21:40 |
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| markmc | and the other way around | 21:40 |
| vishy | I wanted to run my thoughts on this by you guys | 21:40 |
| markmc | i.e. sync volumes stuff from cinder into nova | 21:41 |
| markmc | but there's a tonne of core stuff that could be synced from nova to cinder | 21:41 |
| markmc | e.g. removing old scheduler RPC API versions | 21:41 |
| vishy | markmc: good point | 21:41 |
| markmc | oh, wait | 21:41 |
| vishy | so my thought was to do a sync a ll at once | 21:41 |
| markmc | cinder scheduler rpcapi is still at 1.0 :) | 21:41 |
| vishy | markmc: :) | 21:42 |
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| jgriffith | vishy: +1 on all at once | 21:42 |
| russellb | 1.0 is the old and busted! | 21:42 |
| vishy | so at rc-1 just do a massive patch with all of the differences | 21:42 |
| vishy | (hopefully not that massive) | 21:42 |
| markmc | massive patch == not reviewed closely == risky | 21:42 |
| jgriffith | vishy: As of the other day it's not that large | 21:42 |
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| jgriffith | vishy: At least in terms of volume specific | 21:42 |
| vishy | or else our grizzly security fixes are going to be troublesome | 21:42 |
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| markmc | yeah, what needs to be synced into nova probably isn't huge | 21:43 |
| * markmc has no idea what it's like the other way | 21:43 | |
| jgriffith | markmc: not pretty | 21:44 |
| jgriffith | markmc: but I don't see that as being as critical either | 21:44 |
| jgriffith | markmc: ie non-volume/common | 21:45 |
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| markmc | jgriffith, only critical for bug fixes | 21:45 |
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| vishy | yeah it will make bug fixing harder | 21:45 |
| markmc | jgriffith, not syncing cleanups/refactoring is just a question of making maintenance burden bigger over time | 21:45 |
| jgriffith | understood | 21:45 |
| dprince | jgriffith: on a related note. If you buy this for Cinder I'm gonna push one to Nova too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12517/ | 21:46 |
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| jgriffith | markmc: yes, was just waiting for the second update | 21:47 |
| dprince | jgriffith: after that I need to look into one more Nova Smoke Test failure with the recent Cinder syncing. | 21:47 |
| * dprince sorry to interrupt guys | 21:47 | |
| russellb | I suppose a good summit session (or sessions?) could be determining what we can factor out of nova and cinder to remove as much of the duplication of core code as possible. | 21:48 |
| russellb | so that this isn't a long term problem ... | 21:49 |
| dprince | russellb: long term Nova volumes goes away right? | 21:49 |
| russellb | yes | 21:49 |
| vishy | nova volumes is gone for grizzly | 21:49 |
| russellb | isn't there some other duplication though? | 21:49 |
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| vishy | but we may leave the code in for backporting patches | 21:49 |
| jgriffith | I think russellb is referring to the other common pieces | 21:50 |
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| russellb | yeah. | 21:50 |
| markmc | dprince, e.g. cinder has a scheduler | 21:50 |
| markmc | vishy, you mean, not delete the code in grizzly? | 21:51 |
| dprince | SUre. But its schedulers are a bit more simplistic than Nova's right? | 21:51 |
| markmc | dprince, yes, but there's still copied-and-pasted code ... which is what openstack-common is trying to clean up | 21:52 |
| * dprince buys it | 21:53 | |
| vishy | markmc: I mean not delete the code until the end of grizzly | 21:53 |
| markmc | vishy, I don't think that will help stable branch, really - but we can discuss later | 21:53 |
| vishy | markmc: although we could just have people propose directly into stable/folsom and just make sure that it is in cinder first | 21:53 |
| markmc | vishy, right | 21:54 |
| dprince | vishy: That is what I'm doing (Cinder first then Nova). Makes sense. | 21:54 |
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| markmc | vishy, none of the reasons for "must be in nova master before stable/folsom" applies where the code in master is to be removed | 21:55 |
| vishy | gotcha | 21:55 |
| vishy | k nm then | 21:55 |
| markmc | cool | 21:55 |
| markmc | thanks for thinking of stable tho :) | 21:55 |
| vishy | so the sync of code from cinder -> nova-volumes | 21:55 |
| vishy | how do we do that piece? | 21:55 |
| markmc | ok, how about I do a rough analysis and send out a mail | 21:56 |
| markmc | see what commits we're missing etc. | 21:57 |
| markmc | might just do the syncing myself, we'll see | 21:57 |
| jgriffith | I've been doing diffs on nova/volume and cinder/volume... that part isn't so bad | 21:57 |
| jgriffith | Was planning one big patch to sync next week (from me) | 21:57 |
| * markmc would prefer to avoid "one big patch" | 21:57 | |
| markmc | harder to do a real review | 21:57 |
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| jgriffith | For that portion it's not as large, but I'll leave it to you | 21:58 |
| jgriffith | Most of the stuff we've been telling people to submit in both anyway | 21:58 |
| markmc | jgriffith, ok, I'll sync with you tomorrow when I've had a look | 21:58 |
| vishy | markmc: ok thanks | 21:58 |
| vishy | #topic Open Discussion | 21:59 |
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| vishy | anything else? | 21:59 |
| mtreinish | One quick thing, I've got three reviews just waiting on approval: https://review.openstack.org/12198 https://review.openstack.org/12355 and https://review.openstack.org/12359 | 21:59 |
| mtreinish | I'd like to get them pushed through to close out the xml metadata bug: bug 1040891 | 21:59 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1040891 in nova "XML formatting for volume metadata incorrect" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040891 | 21:59 |
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| vishy | just sent in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12198/ | 22:00 |
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| vishy | i had already reviewed but forgot to click the button | 22:00 |
| jog0 | I ahve a nova client bug: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12069/ | 22:01 |
| vishy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12355/ that one needs someone else to look at though | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | vishy: cool, thanks | 22:01 |
| jk0 | I always review and not realized I'm not logged in, the go to click the review button but instead the diff one and get bombed with windows | 22:01 |
| jk0 | good times | 22:01 |
| vishy | jog0: approved, pretty obvious | 22:01 |
| jog0 | vishy: and this nova one, which is less obvious: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12231/ | 22:02 |
| jog0 | vishy: thanks | 22:02 |
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| jk0 | /c/ | 22:06 |
| jk0 | anything else? | 22:06 |
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| russellb | vishy: #endmeeting ? | 22:09 |
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| vishy | #endmeeting nova | 22:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 6 22:09:53 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-09-06-21.01.html | 22:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-09-06-21.01.txt | 22:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-09-06-21.01.log.html | 22:09 |
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| vishy | thanks guys | 22:10 |
| markmc | laters | 22:10 |
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| russellb | cya | 22:10 |
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