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| nijaba | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
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| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 16:00 |
| openstack | nijaba: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 30 16:01:12 2012 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 16:01 |
| nijaba | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 16:01 |
| nijaba | o/ | 16:01 |
| gmb | o/ | 16:01 |
| DanD | o/ | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:02 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| nijaba | #topic jaypipes to create ceilometer cookbook | 16:02 |
| jd___ | o/ | 16:02 |
| nijaba | not sure if jaypipes is back from vacations | 16:02 |
| nijaba | does not look like it | 16:02 |
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| nijaba | should we just open a bug and follow up on this later? | 16:03 |
| jd___ | probably | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | sounds like a good plan | 16:03 |
| spn | o/ | 16:03 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to open a bug for cookbook and assign to jaypipes | 16:03 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to link schema in the doc | 16:03 |
| nijaba | This was done, as well a updating the component description a bit in | 16:04 |
| nijaba | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12171 | 16:04 |
| nijaba | which should show up soon in | 16:04 |
| nijaba | #link http://ceilometer.readthedocs.org/en/latest/architecture.html#high-level-description | 16:04 |
| nijaba | anything missing in there? more suggestions? | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | the image is there now (I have to push doc changes to my repo before they show up on RTD, still) | 16:04 |
| spn | can see the image | 16:05 |
| nijaba | should I add the image to the project, rather than link to it from google? | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | that's a good idea | 16:05 |
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| nijaba | #action nijaba to add architecture image to project /doc rather than link from google | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | you could include a comment in the rst file linking to the google document where you build the image, so we can remember where it is later | 16:06 |
| spn | can the name of the image be ceilometer architecure.. which will come up in images.google.com much easily | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | good idea spn | 16:06 |
| spn | :) | 16:06 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to include a comment in the rst file linking to the google document where you build the image, so we can remember where it is later | 16:06 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: back today. :) | 16:07 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: I have the ceilo cookbook on my list of issues in github (private branches) to address. will get to it next week. | 16:07 |
| nijaba | spn: sure. it's just not a feature of google doc to be able to name the image, but I will do so when adding it ot the project | 16:07 |
| nijaba | jaypipes: should I create a bug to track your progress? | 16:07 |
| spn | great.. | 16:07 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: yes, please do create a bug and assign to me. | 16:08 |
| nijaba | jaypipes: welcome back, btw, and hope you had a great time off. same applies to jd___ | 16:08 |
| nijaba | I will :) | 16:08 |
| jd___ | :) | 16:08 |
| nijaba | anything else on the architecture doc? | 16:08 |
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| nijaba | I guess not :) | 16:09 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to start a thread on meeting time | 16:09 |
| nijaba | The thread was started yesterday, Angus and Jd have started to reply. We'll get back to this in a few minutes. | 16:09 |
| nijaba | That's it for last week's action, should we move on? | 16:09 |
| nijaba | #topic Discuss sessions proposal for Grizzly summit | 16:10 |
| spn | central agent on collector is a one way components like glance, cinder? | 16:10 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: thx :) | 16:10 |
| nijaba | dhellmann and I are colaborating on 3 session descriptions: | 16:10 |
| nijaba | 1- state of metering | 16:10 |
| nijaba | 2- Customizing ceilometer to measure your cloud | 16:10 |
| nijaba | 3- Beyond Metering - Extending Ceilometer | 16:10 |
| nijaba | I do not have the rights to give view access to our shared google doc collection, maybe dhellmann can do it and send us a link? | 16:10 |
| nijaba | Does anyone else see other sessions we should be hosting at the dev summit? | 16:10 |
| nijaba | (as a reminder, I already proposed a conference session on Ceilometer, voting should start soon on conference topics, hope that we'll get lots of support on that one) | 16:10 |
| nijaba | spn: not sure I get your question. Can we get back to it in the Open Discussion? | 16:11 |
| spn | sure.. | 16:11 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: can you try to make the document collection public with comment rights, so other can comment on our proposals? | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | try this link: https://docs.google.com/a/dreamhost.com/folder/d/0B57LxbbiEQtbb291eVg0RHIyNUE/edit | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | sorry, was trying to figure out how... | 16:12 |
| spn | requesting access... | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | if that doesn't work, I will move them to the wiki this evening | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | I'm using our DreamHost app account, so I might not be able to give public access in a blanket way | 16:13 |
| nijaba | does not seem to work from my personal account | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:13 |
| nijaba | I guess wiki might be a good idea then | 16:13 |
| nijaba | plus that will be easier to link from blueprints | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann to move summit proposal outlines to the wiki and email links to the dev mailing list | 16:13 |
| nijaba | coolio | 16:14 |
| nijaba | any other ideas for summit sessions? | 16:14 |
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| nijaba | I guess not. Well, it's not too late if ideas come to mind in the next week... | 16:15 |
| * dhellmann used up all of his ideas | 16:15 | |
| nijaba | #topic Discuss changing the meeting time | 16:16 |
| nijaba | So, based on the mailing list discussion that started, we should to find a way to accommodate people from down under. jd__ had a couple suggestion: | 16:16 |
| nijaba | UTC 21:00: | 16:16 |
| nijaba | - 23:00 for me (and Nick most of the time I guess) in France | 16:16 |
| nijaba | - 14:00 for Doug | 16:16 |
| nijaba | - 7:00 for Angus | 16:16 |
| nijaba | or UTC 06:00: | 16:16 |
| nijaba | - 08:00 for me (and Nick most of the time I guess) in France | 16:16 |
| nijaba | - 23:00 for Doug | 16:16 |
| nijaba | - 16:00 for Angus | 16:16 |
| spn | 21.30 for spn | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | what is 1 hour earlier than the time we're using now? | 16:17 |
| nijaba | 3PM UTC | 16:17 |
| nijaba | which I guess would not work for angus, but should work for me and jd___ | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's what it looks like | 16:18 |
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| nijaba | So I propose to open a simple doodle poll to have a vote between 06000, 1500 and 2100 UTC | 16:20 |
| jd___ | ack | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | that seems good | 16:21 |
| spn | nice | 16:21 |
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| nijaba | keeping it on the same day, right? | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | it feels like there might be another option in there somewhere | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | yes, Thursday works well for me | 16:21 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: I can wait till tomorrow to open the poll, in case another option comes to your mind | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | I'm trying to work out the values of noon GMT | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | might be faster to just ask, if you guys are used to doing this :-) | 16:22 |
| nijaba | timeanddate.com helps | 16:22 |
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| nijaba | #action nijaba to open a doodle poll to pick between viable options | 16:23 |
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| nijaba | We did not seem to have any other topic on the agenda. | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | yeah, nijaba, would you add 12:00 UTC to the list? that doesn't look too bad for any of us and I'm more of a morning person than evening | 16:24 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: ok. I'll add 1200 | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 16:24 |
| nijaba | #topic Open Discussion | 16:25 |
| nijaba | spn: so can you please reformulate your question? | 16:25 |
| spn | sorry for the earlier mess up | 16:25 |
| nijaba | np | 16:25 |
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| spn | In the diagram.. | 16:26 |
| spn | I was wondering whether the central agent to glance/nova communication is a 2-way arrow.. | 16:26 |
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| nijaba | IIUC, the central agent polls, so it's one way | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | interesting | 16:27 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: noon gonna be early for you, no? :) | 16:27 |
| nijaba | dhellmann noted that he is an early bird | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | jd___: noon UTC is 8:00 AM here, so I could talk to you guys while I eat breakfast :-) | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | spn: we haven't had any call to pass data from ceilometer into the other services, yet. were you thinking of something specific? | 16:28 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: sounds good :) | 16:28 |
| jd___ | forgot you were on -4 | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | jd___: I keep asking DH to move me to Paris, but so far no luck. | 16:29 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: :-D | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | but if you know of any nice apartments for rent... | 16:29 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: I'll ping oubiwann about it ;) | 16:29 |
| spn | dhellmann:no no.. I am still going thru that part of code.. | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: please do! we have another dev in italy right now, but I don't speak any italian | 16:29 |
| nijaba | hehe | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | spn: ah, ok. | 16:30 |
| oubiwann | hehe | 16:30 |
| * dhellmann forgot oubiwann lurks in here | 16:30 | |
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| nijaba | oubiwann can feel the force from anywhere | 16:30 |
| * oubiwann lives on IRC | 16:31 | |
| oubiwann | nijaba I can | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | spn: If you do think of a use case for passing data out of ceilometer into the other services, let me know. | 16:31 |
| oubiwann | especially if planets are getting destroyed | 16:31 |
| oubiwann | or spun very rapidly | 16:31 |
| spn | dhellmann: sure... I will | 16:31 |
| * nijaba notes to add a force meter, code named oubiwann, to ceilometer | 16:32 | |
| oubiwann | hahaha | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: we should use that as an example in the "extending ceilometer" talk | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | or the customizing one, I guess I mean | 16:33 |
| nijaba | any other topic before I let everyone run to their jedi duties? | 16:33 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: great idea! | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: noted | 16:34 |
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| nijaba | ok... I guess that's it for today. Thanks a a great and fun meeting everyone! | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 16:35 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 16:35 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 30 16:35:25 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-08-30-16.01.html | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-08-30-16.01.txt | 16:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-08-30-16.01.log.html | 16:35 |
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| jaypipes | #startmeeting qa | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 30 17:02:39 2012 UTC. The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:02 |
| davidkranz | Welcome back, Jay! | 17:03 |
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| jaypipes | dwalleck, davidkranz, Ravikumar_hp, torandu: yo | 17:03 |
| dwalleck | howdy! | 17:03 |
| dwalleck | Glad to have you back | 17:03 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | hi Jay | 17:03 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Lot's of action while you were gone :) | 17:03 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: trying to catch up :) | 17:04 |
| davidkranz | We have an issue with flakey tests. | 17:04 |
| dwalleck | yup, re-wrote the whole thing in perl :D | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: lol | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: can you summarize for me what you've found (re: shaky tests) | 17:04 |
| davidkranz | If you look at the last weeks failures of tempest gate there is a bunch of inexplicable stuff | 17:04 |
| davidkranz | Just a sec.. | 17:04 |
| dwalleck | I know some of it was servers going into error | 17:05 |
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| davidkranz | Here is a selection: http://paste.openstack.org/show/20586/ | 17:05 |
| davidkranz | There are also the three issues of last week that I submitted skips for but still need to be investigated. | 17:06 |
| dwalleck | The flavors ones were a bug that I reported | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | kk, looking | 17:06 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: The keypair one really bothers me. | 17:06 |
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| davidkranz | dwalleck: Also the one with the reference to the %xxx% template variable. Seems like some kind of infrastructure issues. | 17:07 |
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| jaypipes | guys, are these errors really due to changes in core projects that are breaking tempest because we are only gating upstream core projects on smoke tests, not whole suiet? | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | I mean Could not parse rfc1738 URL from string '%COMPUTE_DB_URI%' | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I'm not sure because they are flakey. | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: There are no tests that always fail. | 17:08 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: well, the COMPUTE_DB_URI one should always fail or never fail... that is surprising if it's flaky | 17:08 |
| dwalleck | the flavors one was definitely an upstream issue | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: because that is entirely due to the devstack/tools/configure_tempest.sh being created from devstack-gate | 17:09 |
| jaypipes | no idea on the keypair one... looks like the behaviour changed upstream and broke us | 17:09 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: But it is flakey.. | 17:09 |
| * jaypipes thinks this kind of thing points to the need to have upstream projects gated on the whole tempest run... | 17:10 | |
| dwalleck | flakey is okay if it's still a bug. It just means its an itermittent/race condition defect | 17:10 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: the COMPUTE_DB_URI one? Could you provide a link to the log files for a job that failed b/c of that error | 17:10 |
| dwalleck | Which are good ones to catch! | 17:10 |
| jeblair | fyi, i introduced a bug in devstack-gate that caused old commits of some projects to be used between Aug 29, 2012 8:35 AM and Aug 29, 2012 2:51 PM | 17:11 |
| jeblair | (pacific time) | 17:11 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: http://logs.openstack.org/12048/1/gate/gate-tempest-devstack-vm/9641/console.html | 17:11 |
| jaypipes | gimme a sec to read rthrough this.... | 17:11 |
| jeblair | i think the things you're talking about are mostly outside that range, but just in case. | 17:12 |
| jeblair | (also, sorry :( ) | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | :), no worrie jeblair | 17:12 |
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| davidkranz | jeblair: These things happen. | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: It would be good though if the logs had a timestamp at the top. | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: I mean with a real date. | 17:13 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: OK, so the COMPUTE_DB_URI should have been replaced in the devstack./tools/configure_tempest.sh script. | 17:14 |
| jeblair | davidkranz: good point. you can check the file date for now, but i'll work on adding that. | 17:14 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: one sec, finding devstack patch that is matched to that | 17:14 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I looked at that stuff for a bug but didn't find one. | 17:14 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10659/3/tools/configure_tempest.sh | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: that COMPUTE_DB_URI should be fixed now... for good. | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: that failure should have only occurred in the time between the patch for whitebox tests in tempest and the corrrelated devstack change that added the whitebox vars to the tempest config | 17:16 |
| dansmith | cripes, I'm a bit late, | 17:17 |
| dansmith | but I'm here | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: OK, I don't remember the date of that log but let's assume that is OK until proven otherwise. | 17:18 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: kk | 17:18 |
| davidkranz | So that leaves us with the keypair one. | 17:19 |
| dwalleck | sorry, had a drive by abduction, back | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: I can look into the keypair one today. | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | if I can get through this craptop of emails... :( | 17:21 |
| davidkranz | OK, great. We should create a page in etherpad or wiki where people can paste these kind of failures. | 17:21 |
| davidkranz | It is too easy to see a failure and just do a 'recheck' | 17:21 |
| jaypipes | yep | 17:21 |
| jaypipes | we also need to discuss whether running the full suite should be the gate instead of just smoke... | 17:22 |
| jaypipes | because I have a feeling that is what is biting us here../ | 17:22 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: ++ | 17:22 |
| dansmith | you mean for nova's gate? | 17:22 |
| dwalleck | Though it is good to see if things break | 17:22 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Probably so. | 17:22 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: We could skip the really slow tests for that gate. | 17:23 |
| dwalleck | Perhaps not as a gate job, it might still be a good idea to run the full suite daily | 17:23 |
| rohitk | jaypipes: Total execution time of tests should be as low as possible, meaning more optimizations | 17:23 |
| rohitk | dwalleck: +1 | 17:23 |
| clarkb | there is a new feature in zuul that allows you to run a test as non voting | 17:23 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: I mean for all the core projects. | 17:23 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: yeah, I vote for that.. spread the pain around a bit :D | 17:23 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: I think that having a third group of tests that are "long and boring" that don't gate might be suitable, but unless other projects are gated the same way, | 17:24 |
| dansmith | tempest seems like it's just going to continue to be broken | 17:24 |
| davidkranz | clarkb: That would be great. Blocking a bad checkin is good but the critical thing is tying a failure to a particular change which we can't do now except for the real gate. | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: well, the issue is, anything that isn't gated can break Tempest... for instance, if an API changes, and the API call isn't in smoke tests, tempest's own gate (which runs all tempest suite) will break... | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | clarkb: ++ | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | at a minimum, that woulud be very useful | 17:25 |
| clarkb | davidkranz: yes it would allow you to run the full tempest suite against a change, results would be reported, but won't actually count for or against that change | 17:25 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: ++ | 17:26 |
| dansmith | clarkb: yeah, that sounds reasonable | 17:26 |
| davidkranz | A non-gating full run andm moving some more tests into the gate would be a good start. | 17:26 |
| jaypipes | yeah | 17:26 |
| dansmith | maybe, | 17:27 |
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| dansmith | we make the non-gating full run shame the submitter with verbal insults so they feel bad... | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | In the long run we want a full tempest run to take hours so we will have to draw the line somewhere in any event. | 17:27 |
| dwalleck | davidkranz: If it takes multiple hours, we've done something very wrong | 17:28 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: I meant taking that long because there is eventually 20 core projects with negative fuzz testing blah blah blah. | 17:29 |
| rohitk | davidkranz: I'd classify such tests as longevity tests, which are important to Openstack too | 17:29 |
| dwalleck | ahh, gotcha | 17:29 |
| rohitk | davidkranz: ok | 17:29 |
| davidkranz | rohitk: I didn't mea longevity tests, just good coverage of a huge number of apis. | 17:29 |
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| rohitk | davidkranz: ++, which leads us to 'what happened to the fuzz client?? ' :) | 17:30 |
| jaypipes | indeed. | 17:30 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: This came up at a meeting while you were away. | 17:30 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: You seemed to be the one with the most info. | 17:30 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: I was only the one that proposed it :) | 17:31 |
| davidkranz | clarkb: Can you set up the non-gating tempest run for all projects? | 17:31 |
| rohitk | jaypipes: there was someone who volunteered to introduce randgen, but we have'nt reached there | 17:32 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: the idea is to have a fuzz testing tool like randgen take the Compute API grammar and fire random./bad crap at the API and verify no holes and expected error returns | 17:32 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ^ | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | rohitk: pcrews on mtaylor's CI team | 17:32 |
| rohitk | jaypipes: ok | 17:32 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Right. The question was whether any one was actually working on that or not. | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: not that I know of. | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: it just hasn't been a priority. | 17:33 |
| rohitk | if there is github ongoing project/code, people could contribute and accelerate | 17:33 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: all I know is the negative tests added were not scalable or maintainable IMHO | 17:33 |
| jaypipes | rohitk: agreed, just don't have the resources right now. | 17:33 |
| clarkb | now that I think about it more one concern would be it would add a third devstack-tempest run to each change | 17:33 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: We all agreed with that. | 17:33 |
| clarkb | (we are currently transitioning to havnig one that uses cinder to two one with cinder and one with nova volume) | 17:33 |
| clarkb | davidkranz: I would want jeblair to provide some feedback before implementing anything | 17:34 |
| davidkranz | clarkb: Sure. | 17:34 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Where is the "Compute API grammar"? | 17:37 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: we need to make it. | 17:38 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: :) | 17:38 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: not that hard given decent API docs | 17:38 |
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| davidkranz | Anything else for now? | 17:40 |
| jaypipes | ok, y'all, anything urgent? | 17:40 |
| * dwalleck actually understands the admin api now...a bit | 17:40 | |
| jaypipes | not from em... needs to get back to emails... and reviews | 17:41 |
| jaypipes | me | 17:41 |
| dwalleck | ditto. | 17:41 |
| davidkranz | OK, I guess that is it for today. | 17:41 |
| rohitk | done here too | 17:41 |
| jaypipes | kk | 17:41 |
| jaypipes | #endmeeting | 17:42 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 30 17:42:00 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-08-30-17.02.html | 17:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-08-30-17.02.txt | 17:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-08-30-17.02.log.html | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | thx all | 17:42 |
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| russellb | looks like the last meeting didn't get ended? | 21:01 |
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| russellb | jgriffith: ping | 21:01 |
| markmc | russellb, that was the /topic on tuesday too and it wasn't a problem | 21:02 |
| russellb | ah ok ... | 21:02 |
| jgriffith | russellb: pong | 21:02 |
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| markmc | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2012/project.2012-08-28-21.01.html | 21:02 |
| russellb | jgriffith: based on topic, thought you may have forgotten to end a cinder meeting | 21:02 |
| russellb | but i may be wrong... | 21:02 |
| jgriffith | ? | 21:02 |
| jgriffith | Didn't have one yesterday so would seem odd | 21:03 |
| jgriffith | Want me to try endmeeting to be sure? | 21:03 |
| russellb | sure | 21:03 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 21:03 |
| vishy | #endmeeting cinder | 21:03 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting cinder | 21:03 |
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| vishy | the topic handling is broken i think | 21:03 |
| vishy | #startmeeting nova | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 30 21:03:33 2012 UTC. The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:03 |
| russellb | ah ok, sorry for the distraction jgriffith | 21:03 |
| jgriffith | There was a problem last week when mtaylor made some changes | 21:03 |
| jgriffith | might be a hold over from that | 21:03 |
| vishy | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova | 21:03 |
| vishy | who all is here? | 21:04 |
| dansmith | thou | 21:04 |
| * russellb raises hand | 21:04 | |
| markmc | yo dawg | 21:04 |
| nati_ueno | hi | 21:04 |
| maurosr_ | Me | 21:04 |
| markmc | very disorderly rollcall vishy | 21:04 |
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| jk0 | o/ | 21:05 |
| markmc | what kind of a clown show are you running here? | 21:05 |
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| dprince | hi | 21:05 |
| russellb | absolute shit job of a roll call i'd say | 21:05 |
| vishy | #topic Api Sample Testing | 21:05 |
| markmc | russellb, heh | 21:05 |
| vishy | :) | 21:05 |
| vishy | ok so I've been working on the api sample testing and I've come across a couple of non-spec issues in limits | 21:06 |
| vishy | * in flavors | 21:06 |
| vishy | that is | 21:06 |
| vishy | one of them I have fixed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12165/ | 21:06 |
| markmc | non-spec means implementation doesn't match the spec? | 21:06 |
| vishy | markmc: correct | 21:06 |
| dansmith | so change the spec, duh! :) | 21:06 |
| vishy | there are two extra fields in our current flavors implementation | 21:07 |
| vishy | rxtx_factor and swap | 21:07 |
| vishy | so officially those should both be extensions | 21:07 |
| vishy | we have three options: | 21:07 |
| vishy | 1) edit the spec | 21:07 |
| vishy | 2) ignore them | 21:07 |
| vishy | 3) add extensions for them | 21:07 |
| markmc | have they been around forever? | 21:07 |
| vishy | thoughts/preferences | 21:07 |
| vishy | markmc: pretty much | 21:07 |
| markmc | then they're part of the API IMHO | 21:08 |
| dansmith | I don't know how, but I can sign myself (or us) up for #3 if you decide | 21:08 |
| vishy | the other odd bit is that they aren't properly namespaced like ephemeral and is_public | 21:08 |
| markmc | I guess if the extension was enabled by default, and we weren't changing their naming or behviour | 21:08 |
| markmc | that would be fine | 21:08 |
| vishy | the extensions are pretty easy to make, I just did one above. | 21:08 |
| vishy | clearly changing behavior is not an option | 21:09 |
| vishy | so add extensions? | 21:09 |
| markmc | sounds sensible IMHO | 21:09 |
| dprince | Seems like a potentially breaking change thought right? | 21:09 |
| dprince | If they are going to have extensions namespace prefixes that is. | 21:10 |
| markmc | dprince, only if a provider chooses to disable the extension | 21:10 |
| markmc | dprince, oh, I thought vishy mean they wouldn't be namespaced | 21:10 |
| vishy | they will have to be added without namespaces | 21:10 |
| vishy | I'm not sure what that means for xml but oh well | 21:11 |
| dansmith | screw xml! | 21:11 |
| markmc | so, really it's just a way for providers to choose to disable them | 21:11 |
| markmc | no API change by default | 21:11 |
| dprince | If it doesn't change the behaviour I think this is just an impl decision then. I'm for moving them to extensions then. | 21:11 |
| vishy | markmc: right, the purpose of this is I want our output to match the spec | 21:12 |
| vishy | and not have a bunch of hidden non-spec options that happen to exist but aren't documented | 21:12 |
| markmc | vishy, our output matching the spec if all extensions are disabled, right? | 21:12 |
| markmc | sounds sane to me | 21:13 |
| jk0 | +1 | 21:13 |
| dprince | vishy: So essentially the 'all_extensions' output would remain the same (what we see today) but the core API samples would be pure to the API spec. | 21:13 |
| vishy | markmc: correct | 21:13 |
| vishy | dprince: right | 21:13 |
| * dansmith kneels to be #action'd | 21:13 | |
| dprince | do it | 21:13 |
| vishy | ok I'm cool with that | 21:13 |
| vishy | dansmith: might be easiest for me to write these as I just wrote one | 21:14 |
| dansmith | vishy: heh, fine, fine :) | 21:14 |
| markmc | dansmith, on your feet, man! | 21:14 |
| vishy | ok next thing is I am going to need review help | 21:14 |
| dansmith | markmc: heh | 21:14 |
| vishy | I'm producing these but there will be a lot of them | 21:14 |
| markmc | vishy, I'll jump on your reviews in the morn | 21:14 |
| vishy | markmc: cool | 21:14 |
| * markmc counts 5 so far? | 21:14 | |
| vishy | lastly I could still use implementation help | 21:14 |
| vishy | http://etherpad.openstack.org/api-samples | 21:15 |
| vishy | i put some docs in for how to get started | 21:15 |
| vishy | on that etherpad | 21:15 |
| dansmith | vishy: maurosr_ is working on one | 21:15 |
| vishy | I'm also improving a couple of things to make it easier and more robust | 21:15 |
| maurosr_ | Yes | 21:15 |
| markmc | vishy, are we really likely to get all the extension tests done? | 21:16 |
| vishy | markmc: doubtful | 21:16 |
| vishy | since a number of them have no xml support | 21:17 |
| vishy | but I would like to get as many done as possible | 21:17 |
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| vishy | especially the user facing ones | 21:17 |
| dprince | vishy: is this a higher priority than finding/fixing other bugs though? | 21:18 |
| * markmc was about to say | 21:18 | |
| markmc | is this distracting us from regressions | 21:18 |
| vishy | dprince: I'm not really sure about that | 21:18 |
| * dprince is focussed on extending SmokeStack to find things at this point. | 21:18 | |
| markmc | stuff like cinder and quantum integration | 21:18 |
| vishy | I think it is fine if most of core is focused on other things | 21:19 |
| vishy | I've been hoping that people who complain so vocally about xml would help | 21:19 |
| vishy | but only dansmith and his team have stepped up | 21:19 |
| markmc | vishy, well, that's certainly reasonable | 21:19 |
| dansmith | vishy: we're still trying to wedge some tempest stuff in and fix a couple of bugs found in the process, but we're planning to take a look (mauro being the first to free up) | 21:19 |
| vishy | dansmith: ok we will just have to get as much done as we can :) | 21:20 |
| vishy | next topic | 21:20 |
| dansmith | vishy: we were kindly asked to keep the dep queue down a bit, so there's at least one thing we haven't submitted to gerrit for tempest because it depends on us fixing a nova bug first | 21:20 |
| vishy | #topic Bug Triage | 21:20 |
| markmc | vishy, you skipped one :) | 21:20 |
| markmc | but bug triage first is fine by me too :) | 21:20 |
| markmc | we're down to 40 from 100 last week | 21:20 |
| vishy | markmc: oh sorry didn't refresh | 21:20 |
| * vishy didn't do my 20 requested triages from last week | 21:21 | |
| * vishy will do them today | 21:21 | |
| markmc | any help with triaging would be much appreciated | 21:21 |
| * dprince got about 15 | 21:21 | |
| markmc | from more than just vishy :) | 21:21 |
| markmc | dprince, awesome | 21:21 |
| jk0 | I can help with that as well | 21:21 |
| markmc | I actually came across more valid/interesting bugs than I expected | 21:21 |
| * russellb did a few ... will keep trying to do more | 21:21 | |
| markmc | coolness | 21:21 |
| markmc | so, it's definitely not wasted effort | 21:21 |
| markmc | don't forget to target against folsom-rc1 if you think we should fix before release | 21:22 |
| markmc | we can always untarget again later | 21:22 |
| dprince | Hey. So I assigned a few powervm tickets to rc1. They look pretty low hanging fruit I think. Mostly just bit-rot I think. | 21:22 |
| dansmith | dprince: yep | 21:23 |
| vishy | there is a hyperv issue I was hoping to give to the hyperv team | 21:23 |
| vishy | came in from the update_available_resource code | 21:23 |
| dansmith | yeah, we had one of those too | 21:23 |
| vishy | the hyperv methods were not changed | 21:23 |
| dprince | Just looked. Tiago seems to have grabbed them. | 21:23 |
| vishy | ok moving on | 21:24 |
| vishy | #topic Removing 1.x RPC APIs | 21:24 |
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| vishy | I totally buy the logic for just versioning up to 2.0 | 21:24 |
| russellb | same, +1. | 21:25 |
| markmc | cool | 21:25 |
| dprince | So when would we need to start versioning for 2.0 then? | 21:25 |
| markmc | we probably should have done it earlier | 21:25 |
| * markmc doesn't like that it's so close to release | 21:25 | |
| markmc | but ... russellb and I only realized lately we should go ahead and do it | 21:25 |
| markmc | dprince, how do you mean? | 21:26 |
| * dprince is behind in this conversation. | 21:26 | |
| dprince | markmc: looking at your merge props now... | 21:26 |
| markmc | dprince, start with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12156/ | 21:26 |
| markmc | dprince, rationale in the commit message | 21:26 |
| markmc | wow, that's not right | 21:26 |
| * timello aka Tiago Mello :) | 21:26 | |
| markmc | one sec | 21:26 |
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| dprince | markmc: that is a glance review sir? | 21:27 |
| markmc | dprince, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12056/2 | 21:27 |
| dprince | markmc: thanks! | 21:27 |
| markmc | basically, schema changes break the ability for older controllers to work with new compute nodes all the time | 21:28 |
| markmc | the versioning helps folks deploying trunka | 21:28 |
| markmc | and gives good error messages etc. | 21:28 |
| markmc | but there's no point in retaining compat over a long period | 21:28 |
| dprince | got it. | 21:28 |
| markmc | until we have no-db-compute | 21:28 |
| dprince | Although, I'm certainly going to forget this at some point. At which point I'll just bug Russell | 21:29 |
| russellb | so until then, we can do a series of changes, backwards compat along the way, then one big removal when the series is done | 21:29 |
| russellb | like was done in the last couple months for compute and schedulre | 21:29 |
| russellb | and then markmc cleaned it up now :) | 21:29 |
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| vishy | so what if we have a bug fix that needs a change after we switch to 2.0? | 21:29 |
| russellb | 2.1, 2.2, etc | 21:29 |
| markmc | right | 21:30 |
| russellb | backwards compat usually isn't that hard | 21:30 |
| markmc | there's no harm in having a little bit of backwards compat stuff | 21:30 |
| markmc | but it was getting out of hand | 21:30 |
| russellb | unless you totally rework how something is done (like live migration) | 21:30 |
| markmc | or the request_spec['instance_uuids'] stuff | 21:30 |
| vishy | seems like we should be on 2.0 at folsom release | 21:31 |
| russellb | so sounds like nobody disagrees with letting this go in | 21:31 |
| vishy | but I will assume we won't need to make any changes :) | 21:31 |
| markmc | cool | 21:31 |
| russellb | vishy: but it won't hurt if it's 2.3 or whatever | 21:31 |
| markmc | well, folks just need to do reviews then :) | 21:31 |
| markmc | some of it got fairly gnarly | 21:31 |
| vishy | does it hurt people like hp who are going to do live upgrades? | 21:32 |
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| vishy | * attempt to do a live upgrade from essex to folsom | 21:32 |
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| markmc | nope | 21:32 |
| russellb | no, they were screwed anyway | 21:32 |
| markmc | schema changes screw them anyway | 21:32 |
| russellb | markmc: :) | 21:32 |
| markmc | heh | 21:32 |
| vishy | ok | 21:32 |
| vishy | cool | 21:32 |
| vishy | #action merge the 1.x -> 2.0 changes | 21:33 |
| vishy | #topic Critical Bugs | 21:33 |
| vishy | any new ones that don't have someone working on them? | 21:33 |
| dprince | doesn't look like it. | 21:34 |
| markmc | there are basically two sets of critical bugs | 21:34 |
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| markmc | the quantum integration ones, and there are a few of those | 21:34 |
| markmc | and cinder/nova-volumes regressions related to the persistent tgtadm/iscsi stuff | 21:34 |
| * markmc isn't following either too closely yet | 21:34 | |
| jgriffith | markmc: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12072/ | 21:34 |
| markmc | jgriffith, yep, cool | 21:35 |
| markmc | right, they all seem to be being worked by cinder and quantum folks | 21:35 |
| vishy | good, i think we are ok there then | 21:35 |
| vishy | #topic XML Support in Nova | 21:36 |
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| vishy | dansmith: anything more to add? | 21:36 |
| dansmith | vishy: we've made more progress, but still not there on reviews and merges | 21:36 |
| dansmith | vishy: close though | 21:36 |
| dansmith | vishy: mtreinish had actually already posted that nova bug fix: | 21:36 |
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| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12198/ | 21:36 |
| markmc | dansmith, on that one ... | 21:37 |
| markmc | dansmith, there's actually similar code in the volumes API and cinder | 21:37 |
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| markmc | dansmith, are you just considering the compute api for now? | 21:38 |
| dansmith | mtreinish: you're working on the actual volumes client too, right? | 21:38 |
| vishy | that should be fixed in cinder for sure | 21:38 |
| dansmith | markmc: you're just saying he needs to submit a similar fix to cinder, right? | 21:38 |
| mtreinish | dansmith: I was working on the volumes client in tempest which is agains the volumes extension I think | 21:39 |
| markmc | dansmith, well, not really - the fix is for the volumes extension in the compute API | 21:39 |
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| markmc | dansmith, could be a valid approach to ignore the volumes API itself and cinder for now | 21:39 |
| markmc | dansmith, that's why I asked :) | 21:39 |
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| dansmith | markmc: yeah, I dunno, I guess I'll have to defer to mtreinish | 21:40 |
| dansmith | I've personally been working on compute testing, so I haven't had to try to run tempest against cinder instead of nova-volume | 21:40 |
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| dansmith | I think mtreinish targeted the bug against both nova and cinder though, IIRC | 21:41 |
| markmc | ok, cool | 21:42 |
| markmc | carry on, sorry :) | 21:42 |
| dansmith | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1040891 | 21:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1040891 in nova "XML formatting for volume metadata incorrect" [High,In progress] | 21:42 |
| dansmith | yep ^ | 21:42 |
| dansmith | np | 21:42 |
| vishy | great | 21:43 |
| vishy | #topic Open Discussion | 21:43 |
| * jgriffith could use help with cinder reviews from folks that have bandwidth | 21:43 | |
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| markmc | #help cinder reviews need love too! | 21:44 |
| markmc | also | 21:44 |
| markmc | we're supposed to at least be considering doing an RC1 this day next week | 21:44 |
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| markmc | I guess we should at least aim to have a better idea of what the real release blockers are | 21:45 |
| jog0 | nova os-simple-tenant-usage bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1043999 | 21:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1043999 in nova "nova usage-list returns wrong usage" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:45 |
| markmc | so that we can hope for an RC1 the week after | 21:45 |
| vishy | markmc: sounds good | 21:45 |
| markmc | jog0, targeted | 21:46 |
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| jog0 | markmc: thanks | 21:46 |
| markmc | jog0, like everything else, though, it may be dropped if no-one volunteers and we figure out it's not a real release blocker | 21:46 |
| * markmc throws some disclaimers about | 21:46 | |
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| markmc | maybe that should be the plan ... | 21:47 |
| jog0 | makes sense, but its been unusable since Essex. | 21:47 |
| markmc | this day next week, only true release blockers or bugs with folks actively working on patches | 21:47 |
| markmc | should be left on targeted | 21:48 |
| russellb | but nobody complained until 3 hours ago :) | 21:48 |
| markmc | right, sounds like a good candidate to drop from the blocker list next week if no-one is fixing :) | 21:48 |
| russellb | yeah, though it's probably not that hard to fix | 21:48 |
| russellb | jog0: were you going to work on it? | 21:48 |
| jog0 | russellb: not yet, but it looks like its related to the start and end dates | 21:49 |
| jog0 | horizon uses the extension correctly but the CLI doesn't | 21:49 |
| russellb | jog0: k, just assign it to yourself if you work on it, i may look at it and don't want to duplicate effort | 21:50 |
| markmc | russellb, jog0, so it sounds like a novaclient issue? | 21:50 |
| jog0 | russellb: will do. I haven't started working on it yet though | 21:50 |
| russellb | k | 21:50 |
| dprince | markmc: I'd like to get this in for zmq: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12223/ | 21:50 |
| dprince | markmc: Eric seems to buy it. | 21:50 |
| russellb | markmc: haven't gone that deep. but maybe. | 21:50 |
| markmc | dprince, ah, thanks | 21:51 |
| jog0 | markmc: it may be related to both novaclient and nova. Nova shouldn't return bad information if the params are slightly off though | 21:51 |
| markmc | jog0, would be good to include --debug output in the bug | 21:52 |
| markmc | anyway, we digress | 21:52 |
| russellb | open discussion == digression time | 21:52 |
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| russellb | anything else? | 21:53 |
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| vishy | ok we're done | 21:53 |
| vishy | thanks everyone | 21:53 |
| markmc | cool, thanks | 21:53 |
| vishy | #endmeeting nova | 21:54 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 30 21:54:01 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-08-30-21.03.html | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-08-30-21.03.txt | 21:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-08-30-21.03.log.html | 21:54 |
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| russellb | cya novaites | 21:54 |
| jk0 | peace~ | 21:54 |
| russellb | (we need a cool code name) | 21:54 |
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| russellb | novans | 21:54 |
| markmc | novanities | 21:56 |
| markmc | no vanity, like | 21:56 |
| markmc | lame | 21:56 |
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| mikal | win 22 | 21:57 |
| mikal | Doh | 21:57 |
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