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| jgriffith | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 11 16:00:21 2012 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | Ok, who's here? | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | Huuuhhh.. noone! | 16:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:01 |
| fergal | here | 16:01 |
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| rnirmal | I'm here, but will be silent for a few mins | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Ok, I'll get started then | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #topic core status update | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "core status update" | 16:02 | |
| Mandell | Here | 16:02 |
| winston-d | here | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Most of you may have heard/seen we're now a core project in Openstack as of yesterdays PPB meeting | 16:02 |
| Mandell | Yay :) | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | Yes, very cool! | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | There are some significant details that need to be sorted out regarding the existing Nova Volume code | 16:03 |
| Vincent_Hou | cool | 16:04 |
| Mandell | I saw vishy's note. | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | Check your emails and respond, preferrably +1 option 1 | 16:04 |
| winston-d | already done that | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | Keep in mind we all have features in mind and we're spread thin already, maintaining two projects is not going to help | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: Yes, I saw your vote :) | 16:05 |
| winston-d | :) | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | So now that we're core that brings up the official business we're going to need to conduct | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | We'll need to wipe out the existing core team and strat over officially | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | s/strat/start/ | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | We'll also need to have a PTL election | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | I'm a bit concerned about the core team part.... | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | I don't want to end up with NO core team members in Cinder :) | 16:07 |
| winston-d | I don't think that would happen. :) | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | And I don't want these extra things to hinder progress | 16:07 |
| Mandell | That would be less than optimal. | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | So I'm wondering what people think in terms of timing? Should we start the process this week? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | (For both core team setup and PTL election) | 16:08 |
| winston-d | that works for me. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | any objections/concerns from anybody? | 16:09 |
| winston-d | and i agree we should start early to settle things down | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | No objections | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: Yes, I think that's an excellent point | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | Ok, I'll start moving forward with that whole process | 16:09 |
| rnirmal | +1 for that, lets get it kicked off | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | One thing I'll have to clear up is if we then have to have another PTL election at F3 anyway, in which case maybe that part we just wait and do it once | 16:10 |
| rnirmal | but remember doing so is likely at the minimum a one week downtime in getting in new code | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | I'll have to figure out the details on the "rules" | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: I'm hoping we can avoid that | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: We can't afford that TBH | 16:11 |
| rnirmal | yeah that's what I'm getting at | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | I think we leave existing setup in place until official results are in | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | Then we switch it up and move on | 16:11 |
| rnirmal | ok sounds better :) | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | We'll still have to bend the rules a bit regarding code submissions to Cinder, but I'd propose code submissions/reviews to Nova be accepted the same | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | Any questions, advice, concerns ? | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | BTW some other good things that are happening are we're working on Tempest integration | 16:13 |
| bswartz | is cinder going to stick with the same milestones/deadlines as nova? | 16:14 |
| winston-d | great! | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: Yes! Those milestones/deadlines are Openstack not Nova specific | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: We've already been adhering to those, that's what we had to demonstrate to become Core | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | So just to be clear, all fo the same processes, rules, schedules, milestones etc | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | Ok, any questions about being a core project? | 16:15 |
| galthaus_ | Does that mean it will be in the folsum release? | 16:16 |
| winston-d | i think so | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | galthaus_: Yes | 16:16 |
| galthaus_ | Or tied to it, I should say. | 16:16 |
| galthaus_ | Faster than expect, but good. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | galthaus_: I mentioned earlier in the meeting check your emails for the thread on what to do with Nova-V | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | galthaus_: Vote for option 1 please, unless you have a real concern that hasn't been addressed | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | galthaus_: I'll let you catch up on my pitch there via the logs :) | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | #topic Status | 16:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status" | 16:18 | |
| jgriffith | So now for status of the code and 'real' work.... | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | There's been a bit going on and some new folks getting involved ( winston-d thingee ) | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | welcome! :) | 16:19 |
| thingee | hello all! | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | I've taken a first pass at cleaning up the DB | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | How did the Tuesday hackday thing go? We didn't hear anything about it and I was out sick so didn't chase... | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: It went pretty well | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Had a chance to share some really good ideas about direction of the project and design | 16:20 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: didn't see any new code from the hackday though | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: Yeah, so there are things that were started but not "finished" | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: My db code was done at that hack day | 16:21 |
| rnirmal | ok cool | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | jmckent started working on the openstack.common/logging port | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | a number of folks did some devstack testing/work | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | Renuka did some Xen verification | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | _0x44 is working on bug: 1008866 | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | All in all there was some good effort taking place, just not a lot has landed (yet) :) | 16:23 |
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| * rnirmal looking forward to all that | 16:23 | |
| jgriffith | I'd like to try and set something up again in the future | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | If nothing else, it's good to get everybody in a room face to face and discuss ideas inbetween summits | 16:24 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: tomorrow is bug squash day, if people plan to meet | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | rnirmal: yes, I am hoping that folks here will be available and join in! | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | Unfortunately the're something broken in devstack right now and it could make squash day a bit difficult :( | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | The devstack exercises.sh tests fail | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | Except on the RS jenkins cloud | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Don't know why that is though.... | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Actually if any of you here have a chance to spin up devstack on your systems and run exercises.sh today it would be very helpful in trying to isolate what's going on | 16:27 |
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| winston-d | i can do that | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: Fantastic! | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | #action winston-d to try and run devstack exercises.sh | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | So the issue isn't Cinder related by the way... so you can even run just the default nova-vol | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | it appears to be a networking related issue, but not sure | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | Ok... so the other thing that needs to happend SOON is we need to work with the devstack team to make Cinder the default :) | 16:29 |
| winston-d | ok, noted. i'll take a look at that | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | I'll get with dtroyer today and try to make that happen | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | Or submit the change and see if they accept it :) | 16:30 |
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| Vincent_Hou | remove n-vol? | 16:30 |
| galthaus_ | yyeah - that was more my question. | 16:30 |
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| sdague | jgriffith: question, we've got a team that's got a volume driver almost ready to submit. I assume we should forgo nova and submit straight to cinder at this point? | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | Vincent_Hou: galthaus_: It doens't remove it, but rather than modify localrc to use Cinder, Cinder would be default and you'd modify localrc to use Nova-vol | 16:31 |
| rnirmal | swap the default | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | sdague: So it sort of depends on how the email thread regarding how to proceed with nova-volumes goes | 16:31 |
| winston-d | sdague, i believe so if n-vol is to be removed. | 16:31 |
| galthaus_ | okay - so shouldn't that be a "bug" and reviewed fix to the devstack "project" | 16:31 |
| Vincent_Hou | yes, i was trying cinder recently | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | sdague: To be honest depending on your driver you might want to do both as it could be just a duplicate | 16:32 |
| sdague | jgriffith: well, where would you like to see it land first :) | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | sdague: Well Cinder of course :) | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | galthaus_: Sorry, what do you mean? | 16:32 |
| sdague | I assume it's going to need some community review before it gets in, so instead of managing 2 branches, encouraging them to hit one tree first where it will get the most active review, then port accross later to other trees if it makes sense | 16:33 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: sdague: any new driver should probably just go in cinder | 16:33 |
| galthaus_ | jgriffith: working with dtroyer is the polite thing to do. But you could also start with a proposal of change of default as well. right? | 16:33 |
| sdague | ok, good, I'll tell them that | 16:33 |
| galthaus_ | rnimral: +1 | 16:33 |
| rnirmal | we had this discussion a while back on bug fixes only back into n-vol | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | galthaus_: Ahhh... got ya | 16:33 |
| galthaus_ | rnirmal: sorry about name | 16:34 |
| rnirmal | galthaus_: no harm done | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | galthaus_: Yeah, should probably be a blueprint though | 16:34 |
| Vincent_Hou | Does cinder have more features than n-vol now? I mean moving more advanced? | 16:35 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:35 |
| rnirmal | Vincent_Hou: not yet | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | Vincent_Hou: not yet | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | Vincent_Hou: But I hope to by F3 | 16:35 |
| Vincent_Hou | cool | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | Vincent_Hou: That's part of the problem, if we have to maintain both code bases it will make it very difficult and unlikely to get new features going | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | Ok, any questions about 'status' | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | Moving on to "blueprints" if there are no questions? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | #topic outstanding blueprints | 16:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "outstanding blueprints" | 16:38 | |
| winston-d | so i'm working on openstack-common stuff | 16:38 |
| winston-d | jgriffith, sorry, you can move forward with blueprints | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: Excellent!! Let's get a blueprint submitted and assigned to you on that today | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: Have you started that work or do we need to talk about it offline after the meeting? | 16:39 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: there's already a blueprint for it | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | Just so everybody knows, the idea here is that we've been left in the dust in terms of things Nova has started using out of openstack.common | 16:40 |
| rnirmal | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/use-openstack-common-in-cinder | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to get up to speed with them | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | rnirmal: Yeah, thanks... I wrote it :) | 16:40 |
| winston-d | i've started timeutils a little bit. and yes, we can talk about it offliine | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: But it's a bit "vague" needs details and an assignee | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: Ok, sounds good... we'll chat | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | Mandell: Do you know where Josh is at with the logging changes? | 16:41 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: I can add some details to it, I'll update it | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: Awesome... thanks! | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-common-logging | 16:42 |
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| Mandell | jgriffith: He has a working branch and I should be able to rebase it for him and get it submitted for review. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | Mandell: Awesome!! So winston-d the logging should be covered :) | 16:43 |
| winston-d | good :) | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | So this is going to be a pretty big patch, if we need to break it down into pieces that might be a good idea | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | Even taking each openstack.common class per patch | 16:43 |
| rnirmal | I think that would be ideal and easier for people to review too | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | That way if folks have bandwidth there's an easy way to figure out how to help | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | rnirmal: yeah, reviewers would greatly appreciate it | 16:44 |
| Mandell | rnirmal: agreed! | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | Let's plan on going that route | 16:44 |
| winston-d | i plan to submit multiple patches, timeutils as one, policy, json.., etc. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: Perfect | 16:44 |
| winston-d | that's be easier for me too. :) | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | So the other big things are Availability Zones and Quotas :( | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | I'm going to bring up the Quotas thing again while we're all here | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | I think there was some misunderstanding regarding my submission Monday | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | That patch was specifically DB/API cleanup | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | Not trying to solve the Quotas issue yet | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | For that I'm proposing that quota information stays in Nova, based on how the objects are designed it's the only thing that makes sense right now | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | We'd then have to add a method in cinder/ that checks that info from Nova on volume_create | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | That would also require updating th counts etc | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | I've talked with thingee about this a bit and I think we're worked out some good ideas/details | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | We talked about a new home including possibly ceilometer etc | 16:48 |
| renuka | jgriffith: did the keystone switch turn out to be too much at this point? | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | But... until Nova does it we're still just duplcating cod | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | code | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | renuka: The keystone switch... | 16:48 |
| thingee | jgriffith: thinking about it more yesterday and thanks to dhellmann too, it would be an additional request if we kept it on nova, versus keystone. We're already sending an auth request to keystone so we can include a request for quota info | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | So for those that don't know | 16:49 |
| thingee | that does make the call more complex imo though | 16:49 |
| thingee | more things to go wrong | 16:49 |
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| renuka | thingee: i dont understand. | 16:49 |
| renuka | thingee: why does making the quota request to keystone (versus nova) make the call more complex? | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/store-quota-data | 16:50 |
| renuka | policy would need to be in keystone after all | 16:50 |
| thingee | renuka: you're now make a single request that used to just do auth now do auth and quota check | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | renuka: I think wht thingee is getting at is we already talk to keystone, but we don't have any hooks to nova | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | thingee: Sorry... I'll let you speak for yourself :) | 16:51 |
| winston-d | but quota is stored in nova db? | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: Right now it is yes, but that blueprint proposes changing that | 16:51 |
| renuka | At the moment, which is not the right thing to do anyway, so they are working on moving it to keystone | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | So here's my problem with the keystone method: | 16:51 |
| thingee | winston-d: correct. to be more clear, keystone wouldn't enforce the quota, cinder's api should | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | I have not been able to get a hold of Everett to find out how that's going | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | My fear is that it won't be ready in the near future | 16:52 |
| thingee | winston-d: keystone is just providing the quota for tenant/user. Cinder then has to ask whatever backend what they're currently at | 16:52 |
| renuka | thingee: i disagree.. keystone is where policy should go. Different providers may have different rules for quota | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | If anybody knows Everett's IRC handle or a way to contact him it would be great if we could get a status and see if we can help or at least let him know that we think this blueprint would GREAT to have implemented | 16:53 |
| thingee | renuka: I agree it should be in central place. I just don't think keystone is the right place. | 16:53 |
| renuka | why? | 16:53 |
| winston-d | the keystone-quota blueprint, will it land before folsom? | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | renuka: You mean you think keystone should enforce it as well as hold the information? | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: That's the problem, I don't know | 16:54 |
| thingee | jgriffith. renuka: I agree that whatever is storing the quotas should enforce it as well. less dup code on the different api code | 16:54 |
| renuka | Well keystone's description clearly says it "provides Identity, Token, Catalog and Policy services" | 16:54 |
| creiht | Isn't that more of a general openstack question as to where quotas belong? | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | creiht: yes | 16:55 |
| galthaus_ | Should enforcement be in Keystone? Wouldn't that mean a lot of calls to keystone? | 16:55 |
| creiht | has "openstack" decided they belong in keystone? | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | creiht: And I'd also argue that it's up to them to figure out how to get that accepted and how it's implemented | 16:56 |
| renuka | I got the impression that since we have an approved blueprint, it was agreed that it belongs in keystone... but i could be wrong | 16:56 |
| thingee | galthaus_: the point is it would be tied in with the auth request we would already be making | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | As well as exactly what their responsibilities are | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | After that we follow suite | 16:56 |
| thingee | but it is making the request more complex. Having the quota stuff on some other project however, is an additional request | 16:56 |
| galthaus_ | thingee: doesn't that assume a 1-to-1 action to auth request setup. Are we maintaining that? | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | renuka: I would "think" that is true, but I don't know | 16:56 |
| creiht | It seems until there is official support for quotas in keystone, you shouldn't try to rely on it being there | 16:57 |
| Mandell | Since we're core, what we need to be sure of is that we work with the correct openstack way of doing quotas at the end of folsom. | 16:57 |
| creiht | You should probably go ahead and implement quotas | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | creiht: And there's my point :) | 16:57 |
| thingee | renuka: I think you make an excellent point on the description of keystone though | 16:57 |
| creiht | cool | 16:57 |
| creiht | :) | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | My proposal is that unless we hear something different regarding the status, we implement it with a check back to Nova for now | 16:57 |
| winston-d | hey creiht :) didn't notice you were here. | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | Then if this lands we do the same patch work that everybody else is goign to have to do | 16:58 |
| renuka | jgriffith: how does that not make the request more "complex" | 16:58 |
| rnirmal | I still disagree using nova for the quotas | 16:58 |
| creiht | winston-d: just lurking | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | renuka: Regardless of whether it's more complex or not, right now you can't even do it | 16:58 |
| thingee | I have to drop for a second everyone | 16:58 |
| rnirmal | the quota code could land in common with the projects maintaing it in their respective dbs still something common lands | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: Why? I have a hard time stomaching duplicating all of that code and trying to keep it in synch | 16:59 |
| DuncanT | renuka: You can't generally cache the result of a quota check for starters, where as you can an auth check | 16:59 |
| rnirmal | well the only duplication would be the db tables | 16:59 |
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| renuka | jgriffith: so lets just agree that complexity has nothing to do with this decision ;) We are making a quick fix, which will be changed in the future... because we can certainly not depend on nova to do policy checking for cinder | 16:59 |
| rnirmal | if we can get the code in openstack-common | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: But all of the "real" code is actually the DB code itself so what does that buy you? | 16:59 |
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| rnirmal | true | 16:59 |
| rnirmal | but talking to nova doesn't fell right either for the quotas | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | renuka: I htink that may be a reasonable summary | 17:00 |
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| thingee_zz | renuka: what was the summary, sorry, dropped. | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | 10:59 < renuka> jgriffith: so lets just agree that complexity has nothing to do with this decision ;) We are making a quick fix, which will be changed in the future... because we can certainly not depend on nova to do policy checking for cinder | 17:01 |
| renuka | thingie_zz: we will depend on nova for quotas as a quick and dirty way of doing things | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | So there's one other option that people may liek btter | 17:01 |
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| jgriffith | like better (stupid keyboard) | 17:01 |
| renuka | thingie_zz: which we will change to the appropriate policy manager, keystone or otherwise, asap | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | Implement our own version temporarily, becuase copying the nova version is overkill | 17:02 |
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| thingee_zz | +1 | 17:03 |
| renuka | jgriffith: thats more correct, and more work | 17:04 |
| DuncanT | +1 for our own version... less ocuplign with nova is better | 17:04 |
| creiht | possibly more work, certainly less cruft :) | 17:04 |
| DuncanT | *coupling | 17:04 |
| jgriffith | renuka: Well, may not be more work | 17:04 |
| renuka | so overall, +1 | 17:04 |
| winston-d | +1 | 17:04 |
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| creiht | and I think that is probably the best route | 17:04 |
| creiht | especially considering the timeline you guys are looking at | 17:04 |
| jgriffith | The reason I say that is that the implementation in Nova has to deal with Cores, instances blah blah blah | 17:04 |
| jgriffith | We have to deal with volume count and space utilization | 17:05 |
| jgriffith | Ok... so it sounds like we're leaning towards our own temporary implemenation? | 17:06 |
| jgriffith | thingee: are you puking? | 17:06 |
| winston-d | :) | 17:06 |
| Vincent_Hou | Does other projects have the same quota issue except cinder? | 17:06 |
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| thingee | (in two meetings) | 17:06 |
| jgriffith | Vincent_Hou: Nope,not yet at least | 17:06 |
| winston-d | quantum should have some problem i guess | 17:07 |
| jgriffith | It's only in NOva right now, but I suspect quantum will need to figure it out too | 17:07 |
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| renuka | jgriffith: any idea what quantum does | 17:07 |
| creiht | yeah I was just wondering about what quantum does for it | 17:07 |
| jgriffith | renuka: Right now I don't see anything regarding quotas in their code, but I will ask dwent about it | 17:07 |
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| rnirmal | also swift most likely has it's one quotas | 17:08 |
| winston-d | creiht, see u | 17:08 |
| winston-d | swift is different, it is like totally separate/standalone service | 17:09 |
| renuka | winston-d: the idea is for cinder to be completely standalone | 17:09 |
| winston-d | and has nothing to do with nova | 17:09 |
| jgriffith | Actually swift may not be a bad model to look at | 17:09 |
| jgriffith | we're trying to do the same sort of thing | 17:09 |
| winston-d | but cinder/volume only works when attached to instance. | 17:10 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: nope | 17:10 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: The idea is to be a standalone block service | 17:10 |
| renuka | jgriffith: which also leaves me concerned about attach/detach, so could we talk about that at some point (continuing from the email) | 17:10 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: BSaaS | 17:10 |
| jgriffith | renuka: k, we'll do that next | 17:11 |
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| Vincent_Hou | work independently? | 17:11 |
| jgriffith | Vincent_Hou: Well, to an extent | 17:11 |
| Vincent_Hou | it sounds cool | 17:11 |
| jgriffith | Vincent_Hou: The idea is that anybody could use Cinder to manage block storage | 17:11 |
| winston-d | i see. lookin' forward to that | 17:11 |
| jgriffith | Then do whatever they want with it, it doesn't have to be Nova only | 17:12 |
| jgriffith | Could be any openstack project or even something outside of openstack | 17:12 |
| jgriffith | Alright.... | 17:12 |
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| jgriffith | #action jgriffith do some more research and come up with prototype of quota implementation | 17:12 |
| jgriffith | renuka: attach/detach? | 17:12 |
| rnirmal | oh we are already overtime | 17:13 |
| jgriffith | Oh wow... way over time! | 17:13 |
| renuka | perhaps we continue it on the email thread :) | 17:13 |
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| jgriffith | Works for me.. or in #cinder | 17:13 |
| rnirmal | yes I had some comments, I'll reply to that email thread | 17:13 |
| jgriffith | Sorry we went so long | 17:13 |
| renuka | sounds good | 17:13 |
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| winston-d | could you guys keep in me the loop if you want to do that in email? | 17:13 |
| jgriffith | Thanks everyone! | 17:13 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 17:14 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-11-16.00.html | 17:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-11-16.00.txt | 17:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-11-16.00.log.html | 17:14 |
| rnirmal | winston-d: sure | 17:14 |
| DuncanT | Keeping everybody in the loop would be good... | 17:14 |
| winston-d | thx! | 17:14 |
| rnirmal | hmm was that thread just sent to core, will cc the general list | 17:14 |
| thingee | thanks everyone :) | 17:14 |
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