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| jd___ | hi | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | hi | 16:00 |
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| jd___ | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| jd___ | #meetingname ceilometer | 16:01 |
| jd___ | #link https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg13745.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 28 16:01:32 2012 UTC. The chair is jd___. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 16:01 |
| jd___ | #topic dachary: talk to Dragon about SystemData / ceilometer and try to create cooperation | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dachary: talk to Dragon about SystemData / ceilometer and try to create cooperation" | 16:02 | |
| jd___ | not sure he's here actually | 16:02 |
| jd___ | #topic dhellmann: talk to Quantum devs about integration with ceilometer | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dhellmann: talk to Quantum devs about integration with ceilometer" | 16:02 | |
| jd___ | I saw you did that dhellmann | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | I sent email to the list to start that discussion | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg13753.html | 16:03 |
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| jd___ | nothing else to add from anybody? | 16:04 |
| flacoste | no | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | it's going to take a bunch of work to integrate with quantum, but we might be able to get most of what we want from asking libvirt about traffic | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | we won't get the create/delete events, but they don't have notification for those yet anyway | 16:05 |
| jd___ | maybe but libvirt isn't going to take us far neither | 16:05 |
| * dhellmann apologizes for the delayed response. internet is down at the office, so I'm at a restaurant | 16:05 | |
| dhellmann | we may be able to get traffic stats, but I don't know how useful they will be. they won't differentiate between "public" and "private" traffic | 16:06 |
| jd___ | indeed | 16:06 |
| DanD_ | we have to use IP addresses to differentiate billable vs. non-billable traffic | 16:06 |
| DanD_ | a bit of a hack but it works | 16:07 |
| jd___ | ok, I'll move on next topic since this not related directly to this action anyway | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | right, at dreamhost we're going to have our firewall VMs collect the traffic data and publish metering events | 16:07 |
| jd___ | DanD_: differentiate is doable, capture/count for each is another problem :) | 16:07 |
| jd___ | #topic dhellmann and nijaba to join the cinder meeting wed at 16UTC | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dhellmann and nijaba to join the cinder meeting wed at 16UTC" | 16:08 | |
| jd___ | I think nijaba is away, so dhellmann again :) | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | I was late but nijaba was there the whole time | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | we have a similar situation: they don't have RPC or notifications, yet | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | so we discussed creating an admin API that ceilometer could poll | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | I think that's going to mean we want another type of agent daemon that runs somewhere other than the compute nodes (probably on the same host as the collector) | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | that sort of ties into the message I sent to the mailing list this morning, but we can discuss that at the end if we have time | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | that's all I have | 16:10 |
| jd___ | ok fine! | 16:10 |
| jd___ | #topic jd_: check that openstack-ci runs the tests for Essex | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "jd_: check that openstack-ci runs the tests for Essex" | 16:11 | |
| jd___ | I did check that with dhellmann | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | are those tests passing now? | 16:11 |
| jd___ | yes | 16:11 |
| jd___ | and AFAIK they are running automagically on review requests | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | ok, we should turn the gates back on if they pass | 16:11 |
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| jd___ | I think it's on, isn't it? | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | I turned them on for patch uploads, but not for gating after approval | 16:12 |
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| jd___ | ok | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | they are listed in separate places in the zuul config file | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | we can talk about that by email, though | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | what else do we have today? | 16:15 |
| jd___ | #topic jd_: add some tests on daemon launching | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "jd_: add some tests on daemon launching" | 16:15 | |
| dhellmann | ah, yeah, that would be very useful | 16:15 |
| jd___ | did that to some extents, now it works fine on Essex | 16:15 |
| jd___ | I think it used to fail before | 16:15 |
| jd___ | #topic nijaba: to prime the doc on plugins | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba: to prime the doc on plugins" | 16:16 | |
| jd___ | well, nijaba did it we saw it | 16:16 |
| * dhellmann thinks he has about 10 minutes before the restaurant asks him to clear out and make room for the lunch crowd | 16:16 | |
| dhellmann | yes, and we had some updates from annegentle, too | 16:16 |
| jd___ | should be | 16:16 |
| jd___ | https://github.com/stackforge/ceilometer/commit/1b7b651d860a8fe38d523f67cb229302159d0872 | 16:16 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: ok I'll hurry :) | 16:17 |
| jd___ | #topic nijaba: to question best method to authenticate admin client calls from ceilometer to cinder (and other projects) | 16:17 |
| jd___ | 16:17 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba: to question best method to authenticate admin client calls from ceilometer to cinder (and other projects)" | 16:17 | |
| jd___ | something to say about that dhellmann ? | 16:17 |
| flacoste | i think that's also done | 16:17 |
| jd___ | flacoste: ok, thanks :) | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | we did discuss it, but I'm not sure it was resolved | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | it's in process | 16:17 |
| flacoste | this was the suggestion to have some API calls restricted to the local ip | 16:17 |
| flacoste | right | 16:17 |
| flacoste | i don't recall a reply from cinder there | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | nova and some of the other projects have "admin" APIs, so we should try to mimic what they did | 16:18 |
| flacoste | did you discuss it in your meeting? | 16:18 |
| DanD_ | you might want to consider that the metering system will potentially be distributed to scale, this will require remote communication | 16:18 |
| DanD_ | ours already consists of multiple systems | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we won't want to restrict to local IP or force any particular configuration | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | although if it's just an agent, that's not as bad | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | flacoste, we did discuss it but I don't think we resolved it | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | there were a couple of ideas and we basically said "yes, we can figure this out" | 16:19 |
| jd___ | which is probably true :) | 16:19 |
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| dhellmann | I hope so :-) | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | anything else on the agenda for today? | 16:21 |
| jd___ | #topic Discuss and vote the incubation application proposal to be submitted to PPB | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss and vote the incubation application proposal to be submitted to PPB" | 16:21 | |
| jd___ | not sure we should vote this today, but we can discuss | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | I haven't had a chance to read that yet. Is nijaba here? I wouldn't want to vote without him and Loic present. | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | jd___ do you have the link to that handy? | 16:21 |
| jd___ | http://wiki.openstack.org/Projects/IncubatorApplicationCeilometer | 16:22 |
| jd___ | no I think they're both away so we should reschedule the vote | 16:22 |
| flacoste | fwiw, that looked fine to me | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | and probably the discussion, since if we have questions there won't be anyone to answer :-) | 16:22 |
| jd___ | indeed | 16:23 |
| jd___ | #topic Open discussion | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion" | 16:23 | |
| jd___ | (if dhellmann didn't start cooking yet) | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | I'm still here | 16:24 |
| jd___ | any point we want to discuss now rather than by email? | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | the only thing I had was the API change I proposed on the list. I saw jd___'s response but have been offline for 3-4 hours so couldn't reply | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | email is probably better for that discussion anyway | 16:24 |
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| jd___ | yeah, that's fine with me too | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | oh, I've made some good progress with the mongodb driver. I should have something to put up for review early next week | 16:25 |
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| jd___ | dhellmann: great, your finally went for mongo? | 16:25 |
| jd___ | -r | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | I'm working out some tricky queries right now | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | yeah, the ops team looked at the calculator nijaba put together and decided it wasn't so much data that they were worried about mongo's performance | 16:26 |
| jd___ | ok | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | at least not for our beta | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | if they end up changing their mind, I will have to write another driver :-) | 16:26 |
| jd___ | :-) | 16:27 |
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| jd___ | anything else? | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | one thing that came up is the API we have discussed before may need to expand so that when you ask for sums of values for a resource, you get multiple answers, one per unique metadata set. | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | I will write more about that on the mailing list | 16:27 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: ok | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | that's all I had for today | 16:29 |
| jd___ | I don't have more for now neither | 16:29 |
| jd___ | #endmeeting | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meeting channel. See http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings for schedule and http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/ for meeting logs" | 16:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 28 16:29:46 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-28-16.01.html | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-28-16.01.txt | 16:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-28-16.01.log.html | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | thanks everyone! | 16:29 |
| jd___ | thanks guys! | 16:30 |
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| flacoste | thanks! | 16:30 |
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| jaypipes | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 28 17:00:11 2012 UTC. The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| jaypipes | good afternoon QA team | 17:00 |
| davidkranz | Hi there. | 17:00 |
| jaypipes | rohitk: around? | 17:00 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: afternoon! | 17:00 |
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| rohitk | hi! | 17:01 |
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| jaypipes | rohitk: hi! :) so, I've taken a first look at your proposed whitebox stuff. overall, looks quite good :) | 17:02 |
| rohitk | thanks Jay :) | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | rohitk: if you could do a code review on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/8812/ | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | rohitk: that would be appreciated. you, too, davidkranz, although you already reviewed a prior patchset | 17:03 |
| rohitk | jaypipes: yes, will take a look for sure | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | thx! :) | 17:03 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I already put some comment on your last patch. | 17:03 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Other than the little bugs i mentioned, is it nearing being ready to go? | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: yep. | 17:04 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Great! | 17:04 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Are there any remaining faliures other than that keystone issue? | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: still not possible to run in isolation (due to a bug in the multiprocess plugin) | 17:04 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: but all tests do run in isolation now, and all keystone creds are being cleaned up properly. | 17:05 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: That's too bad. The serialization of server creation on a server is also a problem for us but Vishy doesn't see it as being very important. | 17:05 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: He suggested some possiblel patches but they didn't really do anything. | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: well, I've filed a bug with the nosetests folks on the plugin error | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: if there is no action on that bug by end of today, I will send a post to their mailing list | 17:06 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Sound's good. | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: re: server creation serialization, are you referring to a bug in Nova, or a bug in Tempest? | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: or even a bug in libvirt/KVM? | 17:06 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1016633, which Thierrey marked as wishlist. I don't agree. | 17:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1016633 in nova "Bad performance problem with nova.virt.firewall" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: one sec, lemme re-read that | 17:08 |
| vishy | davidkranz: did my second patch help at all? | 17:09 |
| davidkranz | vishy: No, the initial success was noise from variance. I ran it a bunch more times and the average wasn't any different than without it. | 17:09 |
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| davidkranz | vishy: I don't think this is a critical, must fix now issue but I also think it is not really wishlist. | 17:10 |
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| vishy | davidkranz: I'm not completely sure that it is the firewall code that is the culprit, but if it is, I would blame it on the multiple iptables saves and restore | 17:11 |
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| jaypipes | vishy: is that a particularly expensive call? iptables save/restore? | 17:11 |
| vishy | might be solved by updating iptables in a periodic task, but that is a pretty heavy refactor and opens up potential for security holes | 17:11 |
| vishy | jaypipes: I've noticed it be slow before yes. | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | vishy: I don't know much about this area but I'm sure you guys will be able to come up with something. | 17:12 |
| vishy | davidkranz, jaypipes: I don't really see it is a huge issue considering that multiple vms on the same server will always be slow due to image downloading etc. | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | vishy: Even if they are booting the same image? | 17:13 |
| vishy | we've even discussed serializing everything to eliminate race conditions | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | vishy: I thought images were cached. | 17:13 |
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| vishy | davidkranz: they are, but I think in normal cloud usage the cache hits will be relatively infrequent | 17:13 |
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| davidkranz | vishy: I am bring this up because we are actually working on some applications that want to spin up vms pretty fast, but it is not a public cloud use case. | 17:14 |
| vishy | davidkranz: we need much better profiling of the launch to determine exactly why it is slow | 17:14 |
| davidkranz | vishy: Of course. | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | vishy: I just think a lot of people are working on cases that are not random users on a public cloud. | 17:15 |
| vishy | davidkranz: The distance in the log is not super useful, because it could be yielding to another greenthread during that call | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: we have similar use cases -- the tenant wants to spin up dozens of VMs (same flavor/image) at once | 17:15 |
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| jaypipes | vishy: by "much better profiling", is this something davidkranz or I can work on? do you refer to more debug statements in the logs or something more invasive? | 17:16 |
| vishy | davidkranz: anyway I will continue to try to come up with ways to speed it up. | 17:16 |
| davidkranz | vishy: I could try to do this. It is the kind of thing I have a lot of experience with but not so much with the nova code. | 17:17 |
| vishy | jaypipes: It would be nice to do automatic profiling somehow and find out what the slow calls are | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | vishy: OK, thanks. | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | vishy: agreed, though doing so in something like cachegrind only shows a single process. where we are seeing the issues is when multiple processes (and greenthreads within processes) are in use. :( | 17:18 |
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| jaypipes | in other news, my pug's snore volume just went through the roof... | 17:18 |
| rohitk | LoL | 17:18 |
| jaypipes | too hot for her today... better turn up the air con. | 17:19 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I know the issue. I have a silent standard poodle but was taking care of a beagle for the weekend... | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: well, regardless, there's not going to be any quick fixes for this kind of thing. | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: :) | 17:19 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Do you think it is worth me spending any time trying to find out where the time is going? | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: so I think we should just press on, bringing as much data to vishy and others like comstud as we can by doing more and more repeatable testing | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: I think it is worth the time putting debug log statements into piece of Nova, yes... | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: that seems to me to be an easy win. | 17:20 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Trying my test with 16 or 32 servers might reveal something. | 17:20 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: OK, I will give it a try. | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: and that would allow us at least to begin narrowing down for vishy where the problems might be lying | 17:21 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: Yeah. Is there an easy way to restart nova in devstack without rerunning stack.sh? | 17:21 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: what would be super is if we can marry test runs with something like Tach so we can get a better/easier view on the timings | 17:21 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: After making a code change. | 17:21 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I have never used Tach. | 17:22 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: you can always screen -x, go to the nova-compute/api/scheduler/network nodes and Ctrl-C, then hit up and Enter | 17:22 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: but I have a script that resets it all and reruns stack.sh... I find it easier. | 17:22 |
| jaypipes | and more consistent :) | 17:22 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: remember to set SCREEN_LOG_DIR | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Yeah, that's what I have been doing. | 17:23 |
| jaypipes | k | 17:23 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: well, it would be super if we could get my and rohitk's branches in today. that would free up a lot of the other things, because both patches touch a lot of files. | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I have been using syslog due to having trouble with SCREEN_LOG_DIR. I might have a question about that later. | 17:23 |
| jaypipes | sure | 17:24 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I basically gave the go-ahead for your submission except for the little bugs. So I;m ready to go when they are fixed. | 17:24 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I will look at rohitk's in a little bit. | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: k. thx. I'll wait to get rohitk's views and then will look at approving it. | 17:25 |
| rohitk | jaypipes: we've been doing a lot of heavy duty refactoring to the core tempest files | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | woudl be good to get daryl too, but no idea where he is | 17:25 |
| rohitk | and this should reduce over time | 17:25 |
| rohitk | IMO | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | rohitk: indeed. that's why I'm eager to get them in so merge hell isn't that bad ;) | 17:25 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: Your's should probably go first. | 17:25 |
| rohitk | davidkranz: ++ | 17:26 |
| jaypipes | k. | 17:26 |
| jaypipes | alright, let's end the meeting then unless anyone has objections? | 17:26 |
| rohitk | jaypipes: that should speed up the Fuzz test efforts too | 17:26 |
| davidkranz | No objection. But it would be nice to know what is going on with the swift tests. | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | But no one who knows is here :( | 17:27 |
| jaypipes | right... | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | I'll email Jose and Daryl | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | ok dokey, bye guys | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: k. Talk to you later... | 17:29 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 28 17:29:00 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-28-17.00.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-28-17.00.txt | 17:29 |
| rohitk | Bye | 17:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-28-17.00.log.html | 17:29 |
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