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| ttx | Yo. | 13:02 |
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| markmc | what are you doing over here? | 13:02 |
| * markmc was on #openstack-meetign | 13:02 | |
| ttx | Daviey: ping | 13:03 |
| markmc | so, I spent some time this morning getting a handle on 2012.1.1 plans | 13:03 |
| ttx | #startmeeting | 13:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 14 13:03:12 2012 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| markmc | so, I'm actually prepared for this :) | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
| ttx | <markmc> so, I spent some time this morning getting a handle on 2012.1.1 plans | 13:03 |
| ttx | (for logging) | 13:03 |
| markmc | everything you say can and will be used against you | 13:03 |
| ttx | markmc: always. | 13:03 |
| Daviey | ttx: ey | 13:03 |
| markmc | ok, so I'll just dump the status as I see it | 13:04 |
| ttx | so what is your plan, before I expose the current issues we have ? | 13:04 |
| ttx | Daviey: welcome! | 13:04 |
| markmc | we've 4 core stable/essex projects now | 13:04 |
| markmc | and here's what they've got | 13:04 |
| markmc | glance: 5 commits on stable/essex, 0 pending, 5 bugs targetted to essex | 13:04 |
| markmc | nova: 34 commits on stable/essex, 6 pending, 31 bugs targetted to essex | 13:05 |
| markmc | keystone: 4 commits on stable/essex, 4 pending, 4 bugs targetted to essex | 13:05 |
| ttx | on the things that were committed, is there anything high-impact / security-related ? | 13:05 |
| markmc | horizon: 8 commits on stable/essex, 1 pending, 7 bugs targetted to essex | 13:05 |
| markmc | ttx, good question | 13:05 |
| ttx | I know the a,nswer is YES for horizon | 13:05 |
| Daviey | keystone | 13:05 |
| markmc | pretty sure there are some CVE fixes on the nova side | 13:05 |
| markmc | so, the answer is probably yes except for glance | 13:06 |
| markmc | https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/2012.1.1 | 13:06 |
| Daviey | 14:03 < ttx> #startmeeting | 13:06 |
| markmc | https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/2012.1.1 | 13:06 |
| markmc | https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/2012.1.1 | 13:06 |
| markmc | https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/2012.1.1 | 13:06 |
| markmc | oh, wait - I haven't targetted nova/glance bugs to the milestone yet | 13:06 |
| markmc | ttx, I don't appear to have permissions for that ... halp! | 13:07 |
| ttx | fixing | 13:07 |
| ttx | markmc: you could for keystone ? | 13:07 |
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| markmc | and horizon | 13:07 |
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| ttx | 404 on those links, missing essex I presume | 13:08 |
| markmc | missing 2012.1.1 | 13:08 |
| markmc | I added those for keystone and horizon | 13:08 |
| ttx | oh. I see | 13:08 |
| markmc | no perms for glance and nov | 13:08 |
| markmc | a | 13:08 |
| markmc | ok, while you're fixing that | 13:09 |
| * ttx looks on how we did it for 2011.3.1 | 13:09 | |
| markmc | basic plan I think should be to release 2012.1.1 for all 4 projects soon | 13:09 |
| ttx | ok, the trick is to make stable-maint the release manager for essex series | 13:10 |
| markmc | would like us to have candidate tarballs and call for testing by this time next week, say | 13:10 |
| markmc | and maybe do the release the week after? | 13:10 |
| markmc | ttx, cool | 13:10 |
| Daviey | For reference, Ubuntu has just uploaded this week of snapshots to our proposed archive. | 13:10 |
| markmc | Daviey, yeah, we've been tracking stable/essex too | 13:11 |
| ttx | markmc (and Daviey): you're now relmgr for essex on Glance and Nova, so that whould be unblocked | 13:11 |
| Daviey | We'll be undergoing significant verification of these snapshots. | 13:11 |
| markmc | hmm, I'm away the week after next | 13:11 |
| markmc | well, at Red Hat Summit | 13:11 |
| markmc | could we possibly release this time next week ttx? | 13:11 |
| ttx | sounds like plenty of free time ahead. | 13:11 |
| Daviey | well, we probably don't have to rush it in for next week. | 13:12 |
| markmc | free time in what sense? | 13:12 |
| ttx | markmc: if we get candidates out before the end of the week, we could target next Thursday | 13:12 |
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| markmc | ttx, cool | 13:12 |
| markmc | ttx, I figure I can get to step 4 of http://wiki.openstack.org/StableBranchRelease today | 13:12 |
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| ttx | Daviey: could we sync candidates ? | 13:13 |
| ttx | Daviey: have the same things undergo testing on Ubuntu and upstream ? | 13:13 |
| Daviey | I'd quite like the verification we are doing on the snapshots to be useful for the point release. If we rush out a release next week, the results could uncover regressions, making our verification independent. | 13:13 |
| markmc | would like to look over the projects launchpad and history for serious issues which we haven't backported fixes for, though | 13:13 |
| markmc | would need to be conservative getting any more in before a release next week, though | 13:13 |
| ttx | markmc: I see a benefit in waiting a bit more though | 13:13 |
| markmc | ok, well | 13:14 |
| markmc | it turns out I'm away for 3 weeks from the end of next week | 13:14 |
| ttx | markmc: we could announce we'll be doing a 2012.1.1 "soon" and let extra fixes pour in | 13:14 |
| markmc | someone else could cut the release, though | 13:14 |
| ttx | Daviey: to sync with you, should we rush, or delay ? | 13:14 |
| Daviey | From my POV, a point release isn't in a huge hurry.. If we schedule a point release to be released say, 4 weeks from now.. (when markmc returns?).. that would work kinda well? | 13:14 |
| Daviey | allows us to have extended candidate baking ? | 13:15 |
| markmc | don't see the point, myself | 13:15 |
| Daviey | ttx: I'm in no hurry for us to rush | 13:15 |
| ttx | Daviey: thought you were already testing candidates ? | 13:15 |
| markmc | with both Fedora and Ubuntu tracking stable/essex | 13:15 |
| markmc | the chances of surprises are low | 13:15 |
| markmc | certainly not worth waiting 4 weeks | 13:15 |
| ttx | I know Horizon wants a point release sooner than that | 13:15 |
| Daviey | ttx: we are, but the results of our snapshots will serve no help if we squeeze this out fast. | 13:15 |
| ttx | they can wait 2 weeks, but will bitch about waiting 4+weeks | 13:16 |
| markmc | Daviey, release candidate tarballs tomorrow, you can't validate before next thursday? | 13:16 |
| Daviey | markmc: Are you going to have any availability whilst at your summit? | 13:16 |
| markmc | not enough to do this, no | 13:16 |
| Daviey | ok, if you are confident we can do this in a week.. i certainly won't try to slow it down. | 13:17 |
| ttx | Hmm. If we do final baking during that away week, we can release early the week after. | 13:17 |
| ttx | So two options... | 13:17 |
| ttx | 1. RC soon, release by Thursday next week | 13:17 |
| ttx | 2. Announce, RC late next week, release early week+2 | 13:18 |
| ttx | err.. +3 | 13:18 |
| markmc | ttx, hmm, if you think waiting a week helps ... didn't you see me say I'm away for 3 weeks? | 13:18 |
| markmc | (holidaying in france after RH summit) | 13:18 |
| ttx | Oh, you're away for three weeks ? | 13:19 |
| markmc | yeah, just realized | 13:19 |
| Daviey | markmc: Ah, you can Sprint with ttx :) | 13:19 |
| ttx | I understood "just one week" | 13:19 |
| markmc | so if it's me cutting it, then (1) | 13:19 |
| ttx | yay | 13:19 |
| markmc | otherwise | 13:19 |
| ttx | Where in France ? | 13:19 |
| markmc | 2. 2. Announce, RC late next week, release early week after | 13:19 |
| markmc | ttx, near lake annecy | 13:19 |
| ttx | OK, before we finalize the date, I'd like to expose the issues we currently have | 13:19 |
| ttx | cool. | 13:19 |
| ttx | a. We need to fix the versioning. stable/essex should have been versioned 2012.1.1 / Final=False at branch creation | 13:20 |
| ttx | currently it builds badly-versioned tarballs | 13:20 |
| Daviey | right | 13:21 |
| ttx | I fixed it for Horizon, we need to fix it for the others | 13:21 |
| ttx | b. CI currently doesn't publish tarballs | 13:21 |
| markmc | ttx, I've queued up patches for that | 13:21 |
| markmc | in gerrit | 13:21 |
| markmc | yeah, I noticed (b) | 13:21 |
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| ttx | which makes it difficult to get candidates right now | 13:21 |
| ttx | but that could be solved by tomorrow | 13:21 |
| markmc | seems like the tarball generation stopped around the time the pep8 issues happened | 13:21 |
| Daviey | markmc: I'll take a gander at them after this, should be trivial. | 13:21 |
| markmc | latest one was May 18 | 13:21 |
| ttx | markmc: apparently it's a zuul thing | 13:23 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1013091 | 13:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1013091 in openstack-ci "Zuul isn't triggering tarball jobs" [Critical,New] | 13:23 |
| markmc | ah, ok | 13:23 |
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| markmc | well, I have the utmost confidence in james and co. fixing it quickly :) | 13:23 |
| ttx | So technically we could have candidate tarballs up before the weekend | 13:24 |
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| markmc | ttx, yep | 13:24 |
| ttx | markmc: have enough bandwidth to make it happen ? | 13:24 |
| markmc | ttx, yep | 13:24 |
| Daviey | markmc: If we shoot for stable release next Thursday, you have high level of confidence they will be solid? | 13:24 |
| markmc | ttx, with the slight caveat that I think it would be good to look back over git and launchpad to make sure we've missed nothing major | 13:25 |
| ttx | Daviey: should be solid, at least at tarball level | 13:25 |
| ttx | markmc: yes, that's my major issue with the "rushed" timeline: | 13:25 |
| markmc | ttx, I will do that, but it means there's potential for more fixes to land early next week | 13:25 |
| markmc | ttx, yeah | 13:25 |
| Daviey | markmc: Okay.. how should we split this up? | 13:25 |
| markmc | ttx, we'd have to be conservative | 13:25 |
| ttx | markmc: It would have been good to approach PTLs and ask them if there is anything more they want in before we cut | 13:25 |
| markmc | ttx, and we can do another point release soon after if needed | 13:25 |
| markmc | ttx, good point | 13:25 |
| ttx | but there is no time for that in that timeframe | 13:25 |
| markmc | Daviey, yes, re: confidence | 13:26 |
| ttx | after all, point releases are definitely something they have a say on, content-wise | 13:26 |
| markmc | Daviey, split what part up? | 13:26 |
| markmc | Daviey, the "let's make sure we haven't missed anything" thing? | 13:26 |
| Daviey | markmc: Tasks to do.. http://wiki.openstack.org/StableBranchRelease .. | 13:26 |
| ttx | so basically we can definitely do Horizon in the timeframe proposed... the others, maybe less so | 13:26 |
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| ttx | markmc: do you see strong benefit in correlation ? | 13:27 |
| markmc | Daviey, well, I figure I'm doing all that otherwise there's no reason to rush | 13:27 |
| Daviey | markmc: Do you want to do it all yourself, or split the burden? | 13:27 |
| markmc | Daviey, if you want to cut the release, we can push the release out to the following week | 13:27 |
| * markmc doesn't *want* to do anything :) | 13:27 | |
| Daviey | heh | 13:28 |
| markmc | ttx, as in, releasing them all at the same time? | 13:28 |
| ttx | markmc: yes | 13:28 |
| markmc | ttx, I see a strong benefit in releasing e.g. nova/keystone soon, certainly sooner than 4 weeks | 13:28 |
| Daviey | markmc: what bonus are you seeing specifically ? | 13:28 |
| markmc | ttx, don't see from the list of changes why horizon would warrant a particular rush over the other too | 13:29 |
| markmc | Daviey, what bonus what? | 13:29 |
| ttx | markmc: I think you need to talk to PTLs before making a final decision on the timeframe. If they all say "please go ahead with current state" it's doable. | 13:29 |
| Daviey | markmc: nova/keystone soon.. what are the benefits of doing them sooner? | 13:29 |
| markmc | ttx, ok, will do | 13:29 |
| markmc | Daviey, sooner than 4 weeks? | 13:29 |
| markmc | Daviey, well, put it this way what's the benefit in doing horizon sooner than 4 weeks? | 13:29 |
| ttx | markmc: I think that's because the Horizon devs pushed all the fixes they wanted in... and there is a couple of security issues that should definitely see the light of tarball release | 13:29 |
| Daviey | markmc: no, generally - why them two as a priority ? | 13:30 |
| markmc | Daviey, whatever the benefit is applies to nova/keystone too :) | 13:30 |
| * markmc takes a shortcut in answering | 13:30 | |
| ttx | so for them, it makes sense... | 13:30 |
| markmc | ttx, same goes for nova, for sure | 13:30 |
| markmc | ttx, keystone less so, maybe - but there are some serious fixes that would be good to release | 13:30 |
| ttx | markmc: except vishy didn't ask you to cut a point release, yet :) | 13:30 |
| Daviey | so the priority is because they contain sec fixes? | 13:30 |
| ttx | The difference with Horizon is that the PTL explicitely blessed the current state | 13:31 |
| markmc | ttx, ok, I'll ask him to ask me | 13:31 |
| markmc | ttx, I'm sure he'll oblige | 13:31 |
| markmc | ok, look | 13:31 |
| markmc | point taken | 13:31 |
| ttx | (though I think he mentioned an extra fix that still needs to go in) | 13:31 |
| markmc | "talk to the PTLs" | 13:31 |
| markmc | :) | 13:31 |
| Daviey | I assume vishy isn't around? | 13:32 |
| ttx | markmc: ok, so action is for you to talk to PTLs and see the remaining issues with 2012.1.1 tarballs resolved... | 13:32 |
| markmc | ttx, yep | 13:32 |
| ttx | markmc: and then post your proposed plan to ML and see if it hurts anyone'sfeelings | 13:32 |
| ttx | markmc: and then go ahead and do it anyway. | 13:32 |
| Daviey | lol | 13:32 |
| markmc | ttx, and create nova/glance 2012.1.1 milestone and target bugs to them | 13:33 |
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| ttx | markmc: awesome | 13:33 |
| markmc | ttx, and have the pending fixes in gerrit flushed | 13:33 |
| ttx | Would like to use a few minutes to talk about the ODS session outcomes and action plan | 13:33 |
| markmc | ttx, and look back for serious issues which need to be backported | 13:33 |
| ttx | if we are clear with the way forward | 13:33 |
| markmc | cool | 13:33 |
| ttx | so... | 13:34 |
| ttx | At ODS we discussed having separate stable-maint teams | 13:34 |
| ttx | openstack-stable-maint focused on release -1 | 13:34 |
| Daviey | markmc: Sorry, can i clarify.. You want to drive the work for this, or would you prefer it was split up a bit more? | 13:34 |
| ttx | Daviey: depends on the timing, which depends on PTL's reactions | 13:34 |
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| ttx | then diablo-stable-maint team for anyone who cares about diablo (as long as anyone cares about diablo) | 13:35 |
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| Daviey | Okay, because currently it feels like it will default to markmc.. which seems a little unfair to him. | 13:35 |
| ttx | with some page that blesses those teams | 13:35 |
| markmc | Daviey, what would you like to help with? very happy for you to do so | 13:35 |
| ttx | old-series teams can lose their blessing by being obnoxious to the security team | 13:35 |
| ttx | or if the PTL hates them | 13:36 |
| Daviey | markmc: this is what i am trying to determine :) | 13:36 |
| markmc | Daviey, well, I listed my action items - which do you want to take off me? | 13:36 |
| Daviey | markmc: splitting at task level, or project level.. i'm happy to do.. or just leave it all to you :) | 13:36 |
| Daviey | markmc: Honestly, if you are happy doing it.. i won't rip anything off you, it just seemed unfair to you. | 13:36 |
| ttx | Daviey: markmc will need fast reviews on stable/* to complete his plan, that's one way to help, be on them quickly | 13:37 |
| markmc | yep, absolutely | 13:37 |
| markmc | good point ttx | 13:37 |
| markmc | fast, but thorough :) | 13:37 |
| ttx | Talking from experience, relmgt is not a job that is easy to split | 13:37 |
| ttx | but you need support from people to validate your reviews/choices | 13:37 |
| ttx | i.e. getting unblocked fast | 13:38 |
| markmc | so, the diablo-stable-maint team thing | 13:38 |
| markmc | ttx, I guess I'm fine with the idea in principle | 13:38 |
| ttx | So I'd say Mark handles 2012.1.1 but the rest of the team is on hands-on-deck ready to help him with reviews and stuff | 13:38 |
| markmc | ttx, but not seeing enough in terms of volunteers etc. to be worth the effort of setting up the infrastructure | 13:38 |
| Daviey | I don't think there has been a call for volunteers, really. | 13:39 |
| ttx | right. My impression was that Dave & Canonical would maintain diablo for 18 months ? | 13:40 |
| ttx | and then anyone would be free to help them | 13:40 |
| Daviey | aggressively looking for trunk, or essex patches to backport interests me less for diablo.. but supporting specific issues targetted and reviewing others patches is more interesting (to me). | 13:40 |
| Daviey | ttx: Yep | 13:41 |
| markmc | ok, cool | 13:41 |
| ttx | markmc: it's a bit of chicken-and-egg. I think the team should be set | 13:41 |
| Daviey | I'm not expecting the need for a diablo point release. | 13:41 |
| markmc | if diablo-stable-maint is going to be Daviey and zul, that's cool | 13:41 |
| ttx | and we need some reference page to explain the status of maintenance for old releases | 13:41 |
| zul | ergh | 13:42 |
| ttx | to set expectations right | 13:42 |
| Daviey | hello zul :) | 13:42 |
| ttx | i.e. if diablo-stable-maint team says they will just do security backports, I'm cool with that | 13:42 |
| ttx | but that needs to be documented on a reference page | 13:42 |
| Daviey | and at least data loss. | 13:42 |
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| ttx | http://wiki.openstack.org/Releases sounds like a good pick | 13:42 |
| ttx | markmc: any issue with that plan ? | 13:43 |
| ttx | Daviey: does that reflect what you can do ? | 13:43 |
| Daviey | but generally, i want Ubuntu to be pushing patches into upstream, rather than carrying locally.. Which is why i'm keen on longevity whilst interest is in a branch | 13:43 |
| Daviey | ttx: wfm | 13:43 |
| markmc | ttx, yep, totally cool with Daviey and zul continuing diablo maintenance | 13:44 |
| markmc | ttx, assuming the criteria for inclusion is the same as now, except maybe more constrained | 13:44 |
| markmc | i.e. continues to be "safe source of fixes for high-impact issues" | 13:44 |
| markmc | but that's my understanding of the plan | 13:45 |
| markmc | just being clear | 13:45 |
| markmc | so, yeah - I'm cool | 13:45 |
| Daviey | yep, but also less aggression in seeking fixes to backport.. A per-issue basis | 13:45 |
| markmc | yep, cool | 13:45 |
| ttx | Daviey: agreed that the criteria for inclusion for series-specific stable teams has to be at least the stable-team rules ? | 13:45 |
| Daviey | at least | 13:45 |
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| ttx | Subsidiary question: for security fixes | 13:46 |
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| ttx | doe sthat mean the security team can ping the diablo-stable-maint team to help with backport of security issues ? | 13:46 |
| Daviey | track, support & help.. but only a maybe commitment on 'do'. | 13:46 |
| Daviey | that sounds a little weaker than i intended :) | 13:48 |
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| ttx | Daviey: looks like the first task of diablo-stable-maint will be to ensure we can merge stuff to stable/diablo again | 13:49 |
| Daviey | for the 18 months since release, we will make sure security issues are addressed. | 13:49 |
| Daviey | ttx: Are there issues you know of? | 13:49 |
| ttx | Daviey: put that in the description of diablo-stable-maint when you go to create it in LP | 13:50 |
| Daviey | ttx: you want it documented here: http://wiki.openstack.org/Releases ? | 13:50 |
| ttx | Daviey: I know there are security changes that are blocked | 13:50 |
| Daviey | Ok, i'll dig into that. | 13:50 |
| ttx | Daviey: I want it to be documented on lp:~diablo-stable-maint | 13:50 |
| Daviey | ok, cool | 13:50 |
| ttx | then an announce on the ML, then i'll update Releases | 13:50 |
| Daviey | ttx: Having said that, the structure allows other contributors to go further than i am able to commit to at the moment. | 13:51 |
| ttx | to designate the team as the keeper of Diablo. | 13:51 |
| ttx | Daviey: team description can change. That's just a description of the team's commitment | 13:51 |
| Daviey | ok, winner | 13:51 |
| ttx | Daviey: action on you to set up team and announce it on ML | 13:52 |
| ttx | see if anyone joins :) | 13:52 |
| Daviey | wilco | 13:52 |
| ttx | markmc, Daviey: anything else ? Looks like we can followup through those actions using ML ? | 13:53 |
| markmc | ttx, yep, sounds good | 13:53 |
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| markmc | ttx, you could do a bunch of #action for us could you? | 13:53 |
| markmc | just so I don't forget what I said I'd do | 13:53 |
| ttx | sure | 13:53 |
| ttx | #action markmc to talk to PTLs to discuss 2012.1.1 timeline | 13:54 |
| ttx | #action markmc to make sure versioning on stable/essex is 2012.1.1/Final=False | 13:55 |
| ttx | #action markmc to see that tarball posting job is fixed | 13:55 |
| ttx | #action markmc to follow-up on ML with proposed 2012.1.1 timeline | 13:55 |
| ttx | #action Daviey to set up lp:~diablo-stable-maint with commitments in the description | 13:56 |
| ttx | #action Daviey to announce ~diablo-stable-maint on ML to encourage joins | 13:56 |
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| ttx | #action ttx to rework wiki/Releases to reflect openstack-stable-maint and <series>-stable-maint commitments | 13:56 |
| ttx | all captured ? | 13:57 |
| Daviey | markmc: You are happy with that weighting ? | 13:57 |
| markmc | sounds like a plan | 13:57 |
| Daviey | ok, lets go home then \o/ | 13:58 |
| ttx | #action Daviey/zul to be reactive to any reviews that markmc raises on stable/* over the next days :) | 13:58 |
| ttx | awesome | 13:58 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meeting channel. See http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings for schedule and http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/ for meeting logs" | 13:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 14 13:58:36 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-14-13.03.html | 13:58 |
| Daviey | s/Daviey\/zul/~stable-maint/ | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-14-13.03.txt | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-14-13.03.log.html | 13:58 |
| Daviey | Good stuff. | 13:59 |
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| Daviey | o/ | 13:59 |
| markmc | ttx, thanks for that | 13:59 |
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| dachary | nijaba: \o | 15:50 |
| dachary | dhellmann: o/ | 15:50 |
| dachary | jd___: \o/ | 15:50 |
| dachary | :-) | 15:50 |
| nijaba | dachary: dachary, jd: /o\ | 15:50 |
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| dhellmann | hi | 15:54 |
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| nijaba | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 14 16:00:06 2012 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba dachary | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dachary nijaba | 16:00 |
| nijaba | Hello everyone! | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meetings | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meetings" | 16:00 | |
| nijaba | #topic dhellmann: submit plugin branch for review and merging | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dhellmann: submit plugin branch for review and merging" | 16:00 | |
| nijaba | dhellmann: any news on this? | 16:01 |
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| nijaba | ok, looks like doung went to get a coffee ;) | 16:02 |
| * ttx lurks | 16:02 | |
| * dachary drinks coffee | 16:03 | |
| nijaba | we'll get back to it in a moment | 16:03 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba: to propose a google spreadsheet calculator to estimate volume of metering message (including nova, swift, cinder, quantum) | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba: to propose a google spreadsheet calculator to estimate volume of metering message (including nova, swift, cinder, quantum)" | 16:03 | |
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| nijaba | so here is what I came up with: | 16:03 |
| nijaba | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtziNGvs-uPudDhRbEJJOHFXV3d0ZGc1WE9NLTVPX0E | 16:03 |
| dachary | I tried it and it worked for me. | 16:03 |
| nijaba | did not get that many comments about it | 16:03 |
| dachary | Also I agree with the assumption related to the size of the metadata payload. | 16:03 |
| dachary | That was my primary concern. | 16:04 |
| * dhellmann sorry, noisy office today | 16:04 | |
| dachary | Although the size is large, I don't think it's out of proportion. | 16:04 |
| nijaba | well, to me it shows that being able to fine tune frequency could have a huge impact on vilume | 16:04 |
| nijaba | volume even | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | it also shows that we probably won't want to store everything long term, but aggregate the data | 16:05 |
| nijaba | so, should I link this gdoc in the blueprint? | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 16:05 |
| dachary | +1 | 16:05 |
| nijaba | +1 (obviously) | 16:05 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to point to the calculator in the blueprint | 16:06 |
| nijaba | #topic dhellmann: submit plugin branch for review and merging | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dhellmann: submit plugin branch for review and merging" | 16:06 | |
| dhellmann | that's done and merged | 16:06 |
| nijaba | ok cool | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | with the renaming (next action?) | 16:06 |
| nijaba | #topic dhellmann rename plugin to engine for storage backend ex-plugin-now-engine system | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dhellmann rename plugin to engine for storage backend ex-plugin-now-engine system" | 16:07 | |
| nijaba | so that's done too! | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | also done | 16:07 |
| nijaba | thanks | 16:07 |
| nijaba | #topic dhellmann: start mapping API queries to database engine methods | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dhellmann: start mapping API queries to database engine methods" | 16:07 | |
| dhellmann | I haven't made any progress on that. :-/ | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | I plan to start this afternoon, after this meeting | 16:07 |
| nijaba | should we forward it to next week? | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | yes, please | 16:08 |
| nijaba | #action dhellmann: start mapping API queries to database engine methods | 16:08 |
| nijaba | thanks! | 16:08 |
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| nijaba | #topic Discuss and hopefully agree on meter configuration mechanism | 16:08 |
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| nijaba | this was my latest proposal: | 16:08 |
| nijaba | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack@lists.launchpad.net/msg12859.html | 16:08 |
| nijaba | any comments? | 16:08 |
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| dachary | I spent the day talking about puppet & mongodb and I'm convinced your proposal makes sense ;-) | 16:09 |
| * dhellmann has not changed his mind about leaving this for the ops team to deal with | 16:09 | |
| dachary | If mongodb left all for the ops to do, I'm sure they would have a really hard time. | 16:09 |
| flacoste | dhellmann: that means leaving the configuration local to each agents and ops deals with that problem? | 16:09 |
| flacoste | that: pushing out and syncing changes | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | flacoste, right. put the config in a text file, like everything else, and use the same tool to push it out that we use for the other files | 16:10 |
| nijaba | flacoste: yes, that's what we discussed last week | 16:10 |
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| nijaba | but I am claiming that we are going to have data consistency issues | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | I won't block work on this, but it feels like the wrong thing to be focusing on right now | 16:10 |
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| flacoste | nijaba: i think dhellmann argument is that this is a sovled ops problem | 16:11 |
| flacoste | with tools like puppet and checf | 16:11 |
| flacoste | you don't have syncing issue | 16:11 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: would you agree to put it in our todo, and see if someone picks it up? | 16:11 |
| flacoste | puppet espeically will make sure that everything is synced | 16:11 |
| nijaba | flacoste: yes you do | 16:11 |
| flacoste | nijaba: care to explain which syncing problems remain? | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | nijaba, that's fine, I guess | 16:12 |
| flacoste | assuming puppet is used? | 16:12 |
| flacoste | i agree that if you aren't using puppet, you have a problem to solve | 16:12 |
| nijaba | well, experience shows that sometime classes are missused, and then you fall into a data consistency problem that cannot be reversed synced | 16:12 |
| nijaba | so I am advocating that we neeed to care where data consistency is crucial | 16:13 |
| nijaba | anyway, I propose that we put it in a todo list, and see if we can have someone eventuall do it | 16:14 |
| dachary | flacoste: how do you broadcast a change to all agents using puppet so that they all agree at a given point in time ? | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | there are lots of other parts of the config that have to be consistent in order for OS to work. message bus credentials, for example | 16:14 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: yes, but this translate to immediate operational disfunction, not woopies that you discover in your next billing cycle | 16:14 |
| nijaba | say a month later | 16:15 |
| flacoste | nijaba: using cast won't solve that problem fwiw | 16:15 |
| dachary | dhellmann: yes, and that's also true of any mongodb deployment. They *partly* rely on puppet / chef. And also communicate with each other to ensure a consistent setup. Such as voting in replica sets and what not. | 16:15 |
| flacoste | nijaba: it offers no garantee on when all agents are going to update their config | 16:15 |
| jd___ | and that's still hypothetical | 16:16 |
| nijaba | flacoste: ok, what would you recommend then? | 16:16 |
| flacoste | YAGNI | 16:16 |
| flacoste | for now :-) | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | dachary: realtime voting on HA/failover feels like a different sort of problem than this | 16:16 |
| flacoste | the stringent requirement that all agents be synced at the same time is overkill i think | 16:16 |
| flacoste | who cares that there is 30s window where different agents have different configs? | 16:17 |
| nijaba | ok. shall we vote? | 16:17 |
| flacoste | if that's a must-have, your solution doesn't cut it | 16:17 |
| dachary | dhellmann: true. Think about the master / slave relationship between mysql servers. then. It does not go only in one way. The slave communicates with the master and vice versa. Both are deployed using puppet / chef. But if that was their *only* mean of ensuring configuration consistency, they would be in trouble. | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | do we have a requirement that all agents be configured exactly the same way? | 16:18 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: for the data to be useable, I would think so | 16:19 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: not for now | 16:19 |
| * dhellmann smiles | 16:19 | |
| nijaba | Vote on: shall we put meter configuration mechanism in our todo? | 16:19 |
| flacoste | yeah, i'd say that's too early to know | 16:19 |
| jd___ | and if we have, maybe it's a problem about the accounting format | 16:19 |
| nijaba | +1 | 16:19 |
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| flacoste | -1 | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | -1 | 16:19 |
| jd___ | -1 | 16:19 |
| nijaba | #agreed push meter configuration to a future version | 16:20 |
| dachary | +1 | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | nijaba, maybe the thing to do next on this is to prepare a more detailed problem description and some requirements? maybe I'm just not seeing something... | 16:20 |
| * nijaba wonders if he should use #agree or #agreed ? | 16:20 | |
| dhellmann | the bot instructions say agreed | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | also, startvote appears to be a command | 16:21 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: as flacoste said, let's wait until we see if there is a problem or not | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: that works for me | 16:21 |
| nijaba | #agree push meter configuration to a future version | 16:21 |
| * nijaba will use startvote next time :) | 16:22 | |
| nijaba | #topic Discuss proposing ceilometer as an incubated project | 16:22 |
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| nijaba | I asked ttx to lurk for this part | 16:22 |
| nijaba | as I think his advice could be usefull | 16:22 |
| nijaba | so we now have a good skeleton | 16:22 |
| nijaba | a defined architecture | 16:23 |
| nijaba | is it the right time to propose our project for incubation in folsom? | 16:23 |
| dachary | I think it is, indeed. | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | is there a document that describes what we need to do to have it considered? | 16:23 |
| nijaba | ttx: ^ I think you would be best placed to answer that one | 16:24 |
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| nijaba | dhellmann: IIRC, there is no other requirement than having something the tb can look at and send a formal request via the mailing list | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | FWIW, I agree we should try, I just want to make sure we've met the "qualifications" if there are any defined | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | ok, well, I think we've got that :-) | 16:25 |
| * nijaba thinks so too, thanks to you an jd___ | 16:26 | |
| dhellmann | do we need to document more of the plans for future work? | 16:26 |
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| nijaba | well, it woudl be a good idea in any case | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | true | 16:27 |
| nijaba | I guess ttx is doing something else | 16:27 |
| nijaba | should we vote? | 16:27 |
| dachary | yes, please | 16:28 |
| nijaba | #startvote propose ceilometer as an incubated project | 16:28 |
| nijaba | +1 | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 16:28 |
| flacoste | +1 | 16:28 |
| jd___ | +1 | 16:28 |
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| dhellmann | oops: http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html#voting | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | yes | 16:29 |
| dachary | +1 | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | #vote yes | 16:29 |
| nijaba | #endvote | 16:29 |
| nijaba | #agree propose ceilometer as an incubated project | 16:30 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to send a proposal to the mailing list | 16:30 |
| nijaba | #topic Prepare documentation and framework for plugin contributors | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Prepare documentation and framework for plugin contributors" | 16:30 | |
| nijaba | so, I think it is time that we lay the ground for plugin/agent contributor | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 16:31 |
| nijaba | and this requires to have: | 16:31 |
| nijaba | a sample agent implementation | 16:31 |
| nijaba | and documentation | 16:31 |
| nijaba | I'll be happy to work on the doc | 16:31 |
| nijaba | but I'll have to rely on someone to work on the sample | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | I can get us set up on readthedocs.org | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | we could use the existing code as examples, couldn't we? | 16:32 |
| ttx | back | 16:32 |
| ttx | document. incubation, looking. | 16:32 |
| nijaba | ttx: can you read the backlog and tell what you think about incubation for ceilometer? | 16:32 |
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| nijaba | dhellmann: it would be nicer if we had a proper "sample/start you project here" | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | ah, I see what you mean | 16:33 |
| nijaba | atm, you have to know where to look | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | I thought the existing code would be useful as a walk-through example because it actually does something | 16:33 |
| dachary | dhellmann: I agree. | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | oh, sure, we need to put it in the docs and write about it, I just meant instead of making up a "fake" simple example, use a real one | 16:34 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: ok. if you tell me which one to use, I'll start the doc if you want | 16:34 |
| dachary | it might be enough to say : look at this one, it is well commented & up to date. Take a look at the tests, they are good and extensive. | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | we need separate examples for each of the plugin types | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann: look at existing plugins and pick one of each for examples in docs | 16:35 |
| nijaba | cool | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | dachary, we probably want to "freeze" the example so the text does not get out of date with the line numbers in the code | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | we can copy a version into the doc tree for that purpose | 16:35 |
| nijaba | I'll pick up the doc action next week then :) | 16:35 |
| nijaba | agreed | 16:35 |
| dachary | dhellmann: good idea indeed | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann: email info on examples to nijaba | 16:36 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to prime the doc once info received from dhellmann | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | we should probably include an "ops" section, even though that will eventually move into the regular admin guides | 16:36 |
| nijaba | should we shortly move back to the incubation topic? | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | yes, let's get ttx's input on that | 16:37 |
| ttx | Project types = http://wiki.openstack.org/ProjectTypes | 16:37 |
| nijaba | #topic incubation | 16:37 |
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| ttx | the form for incubation is... | 16:37 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/ProjectTypes | 16:37 |
| ttx | http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Approved/Incubation | 16:37 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Approved/Incubation | 16:38 |
| ttx | some pieces of it might be a bit outdated, but that's still official procedure :) | 16:38 |
| nijaba | ttx: so, do you have some gut feeling about readiness of ceilomet for application? | 16:38 |
| dachary | ttx: is there an example of a recently accepted application to get inspiration on the wording etc. ? | 16:39 |
| nijaba | in other words, would you advice us to apply at this stage? | 16:39 |
| ttx | I think it's ready to be incubated. The main issue is whether it belongs to the scope of what we call "OpenStack" | 16:41 |
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| ttx | I expect the discussion to revolve around that | 16:41 |
| nijaba | I personally would think so | 16:41 |
| nijaba | but that's q good time to know | 16:41 |
| ttx | The PPB is still in cahrge of that, until the foundation is finally set up | 16:41 |
| flacoste | ttx: what aspect of ceilometer is bringing that question? | 16:42 |
| dachary | ttx: why wouldn't it be in the scope of OpenStack ? | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | do we need to put together an argument in favor? | 16:42 |
| ttx | so depending on whether you think you'll get more support from the future TC and Foundation board, or from the current PPB, it mught be a good idea to hold :) | 16:42 |
| * nijaba has absolutely no idea why one woulld be more favorable than the other... | 16:42 | |
| ttx | OpenStack is the basic blocks of IaaS. You can argue that metring is as critical vbase piece as .. say.. common auth | 16:42 |
| nijaba | IaaS without metering = crapware ;) | 16:43 |
| ttx | So good luck :) | 16:43 |
| nijaba | k | 16:43 |
| nijaba | so, anyone think we should hold? | 16:43 |
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| dachary | ttx: I see your point now. | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | if we're rejected now we can try again, right? | 16:44 |
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| dachary | nijaba: I think there are good arguments to advocate that ceilometer is an essential part of openstack. We should not hold, in my opinion. | 16:44 |
| nijaba | well, if the ppb says it is out of scope, then I think it will be tough for future TC to say otherwise | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | it's likely to be the same people, isn't it? | 16:45 |
| nijaba | but I think now is a good time to test our arguments | 16:45 |
| nijaba | nope, TC will be composed of the paying foundation menbers + some devs | 16:45 |
| nijaba | while today it is only the project leads | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | we should probably ask for supporting comments from some ops folks, too, to include in the proposal | 16:45 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: would seem like a good idea | 16:46 |
| ttx | nijaba: no. TC is all elected | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | oh, I thought the TC was still going to be mostly project leads, but I haven't followed that too closely | 16:46 |
| * nijaba also need to dig on that one | 16:46 | |
| ttx | dhellmann: all elected, PTLs included. | 16:47 |
| ttx | http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Foundation/TechnicalCommittee | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | ok, so possibly different makeup | 16:47 |
| nijaba | anyway, I propose to revise my action to "prepare the application for review at the next meeting" | 16:47 |
| ttx | anyway, no way to tell if waiting increases your chances :) | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | nijaba, that sounds like a good adjustment | 16:47 |
| dachary | nijaba: ok | 16:47 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, has anyone made an argument that metering shouldn't be included? | 16:48 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to prepare incubation application for review at the next meeting | 16:48 |
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| * nijaba bets no one has made an argument either way | 16:48 | |
| nijaba | shall we move on? | 16:48 |
| dachary | dhellmann: I think the strongest argument against would be "Why is it bad that ceilometer is not part of OpenStack ?". | 16:48 |
| nijaba | #topic Establish communication with swift/quantum/cinder on best points of interaction for our agents | 16:49 |
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| dhellmann | dachary, that's something to think about | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | nijaba, nova, too? | 16:49 |
| nijaba | so it seems that we need to start discussing with other projects how to best integrate with them | 16:49 |
| ttx | dachary: ++ | 16:49 |
| dachary | and that's probably be the best advocacy. If swift / quantum / nova etc. all agree on ceilometer one way or the other, it will become part of their roadmap. | 16:50 |
| nijaba | so, shall we divide the task among ouselves and join their next meetings to introduce ceilometer and what we would need? | 16:51 |
| dachary | nijaba: that's a good idea actually | 16:51 |
| nijaba | anyone care about some project in particular? | 16:51 |
| dachary | I've not had much success in communicating with Dragon but I can try again. I've not been very persistent. | 16:52 |
| nijaba | I bet dhellmann does not care much for swift, for example | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 16:52 |
| dachary | #action dachary talk to Dragon about SystemData / ceilometer and try to create cooperation | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | I think we're most interested in quantum at this point | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | (by "we're" I mean DreamHost) | 16:53 |
| nijaba | feel free to take the action then | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann to talk to Quantum devs about integration with ceilometer | 16:53 |
| nijaba | flacoste: do you want to take one? | 16:53 |
| flacoste | nijaba: i'd rather not for the moment tbh | 16:53 |
| nijaba | ok | 16:54 |
| flacoste | i don't have relationships with any projects | 16:54 |
| dachary | nijaba: I'll take swift | 16:54 |
| flacoste | and hiring a new squad is keeping me real busy :-) | 16:54 |
| nijaba | ok, I'll take cinder then | 16:54 |
| dachary | unless someone else wants to ;-) | 16:54 |
| nijaba | flacoste: please concentrate on that, for sure! | 16:54 |
| dachary | #action dachary to talk to swift devs about integration with ceilometer | 16:54 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to talk to cinder devs about integration with ceilometer | 16:55 |
| nijaba | nova, anyone? | 16:55 |
| dachary | nijaba: that would be me (Dragon) | 16:55 |
| dachary | #action dachary talk to Dragon about SystemData / ceilometer and try to create cooperation (i.e. nova) | 16:55 |
| nijaba | duh.... | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | dachary, I think I'm going to end up working on a patch to add more details to notification messages coming from nova | 16:56 |
| nijaba | ok, so the missing one is glance then | 16:56 |
| nijaba | I can take it if noone wants it | 16:56 |
| nijaba | ... | 16:56 |
| jd___ | i'll do | 16:56 |
| nijaba | thanks jd! | 16:57 |
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| nijaba | #topic Status of the essex compatibility effort that jd is leading | 16:57 |
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| dachary | dhellmann: I'll submit messages to you for approval before actually sending them. Review is good. | 16:57 |
| nijaba | jd___: 2 minutes left if you want to give us some update | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | dachary, sounds good. I thought you might want to mention that we're willing to contribute code, not just asking for them to do stuff. :-) | 16:58 |
| dachary | dhellmann: good idea indeed. The code you wrote will be our best ambassador ;-) | 16:58 |
| jd___ | I've send review requests to os-infra to have some tests automated on essex, and waiting for approval | 16:58 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: ++ | 16:58 |
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| nijaba | jd___: great. so we should go do some reviews? | 16:59 |
| nijaba | jd___: any blockers found? | 16:59 |
| jd___ | it's at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/8222/ FYI | 16:59 |
| nijaba | thanks | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | I'll take a look after lunch and give a +1 | 16:59 |
| nijaba | #action jd___ to talk to glance devs about integration with ceilometer | 17:00 |
| jd___ | so far the tests passes, so it's good, it should work for essex for most (tested) parts | 17:00 |
| jd___ | I know that the daemon won't actually run but we don't have test for that so far :) | 17:00 |
| dachary | thank's all ! | 17:00 |
| nijaba | neat!!! I think we should keep that topic for next weel, as we are out of time... | 17:00 |
| nijaba | thanks all! | 17:00 |
| jd___ | ack | 17:00 |
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| jd___ | thanks | 17:00 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 14 17:00:51 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-14-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-14-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-14-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| flacoste | thanks nijaba | 17:01 |
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| dwalleck | ugh, sorry, running late | 17:14 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: I don't think Jay is going to make it. | 17:14 |
| dwalleck | Yup, neither is Ravi.... | 17:14 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: There were a couple of issues where Sam said he would follow up with you last week. | 17:15 |
| dwalleck | yeah, we followed up the resource management stuff a bit | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: Should we officially start the meeting or cancel? | 17:16 |
| dwalleck | Do you have anything you want to bring up? I've been slammed so I won't be able to get around to reviews or additions till this weekend | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: I guess we should cancel then. | 17:17 |
| dwalleck | Sure, sounds good. I have a few emails I need to send out later. We can gather up again in G+ if there's anything pressing | 17:18 |
| davidkranz | OK, so be it. | 17:18 |
| dwalleck | I think I should have some much more substantial stuff to talk about by next week | 17:19 |
| sam_rackspace | sounds good. I've been buried as well and haven't had anytime to move much forward | 17:19 |
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| sam_rackspace | other than the follow up conversation I had with Daryl last week. :-) | 17:19 |
| dwalleck | Okay, everyone have 40 minutes of your day back :) | 17:19 |
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| jaypipes | \o/ u-verse back online.. | 17:20 |
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| dwalleck | man! We almost made it =P | 17:20 |
| pcrews | lol | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | :) | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | anybody wanna recap me? | 17:21 |
| jaypipes | sorry. | 17:21 |
| dwalleck | I was late | 17:21 |
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| dwalleck | I blame Sam | 17:21 |
| JoseSwiftQE | +1 | 17:21 |
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| dwalleck | So we haven't talked about anything yet. Didn't seem like we had enough people to talk about anything then | 17:21 |
| dwalleck | And now here comes people =P | 17:22 |
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| jaypipes | ah, cool. | 17:22 |
| dwalleck | So meeting back on then? | 17:22 |
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| jaypipes | dwalleck: good with me. | 17:23 |
| jaypipes | alright, where is our agenda? | 17:24 |
| dwalleck | Down at the pub? :D | 17:24 |
| dwalleck | This was Ravi's week, I'd have to look it up | 17:24 |
| dwalleck | Ahh, here we go | 17:24 |
| dwalleck | #startmeeting | 17:25 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 14 17:25:00 2012 UTC. The chair is dwalleck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:25 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:25 |
| dwalleck | #topic Status of Swift tests | 17:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status of Swift tests" | 17:25 | |
| dwalleck | JoseSwiftQE: ? | 17:25 |
| JoseSwiftQE | Just uploaded the pep8 fixes. | 17:25 |
| JoseSwiftQE | that was silly of me to miss that, but it's all fixed now. | 17:25 |
| dwalleck | I haven't had a change re-review anything you've put in this week | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:25 |
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| JoseSwiftQE | Once they're in, I plan on making smaller more frequent commits to get more features and tests in. | 17:26 |
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| dwalleck | Okay, good deal. I'll try to take a look today. I think we're getting close... | 17:26 |
| jaypipes | JoseSwiftQE: k, I will test it locally. thx! | 17:26 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 17:26 |
| dwalleck | sweet! | 17:27 |
| jaypipes | looks like ravi forgot to update the agenda link... the one I posted above is from a while ago. | 17:27 |
| dwalleck | #topic Status of parallelization | 17:27 |
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| jaypipes | oooh, me plese | 17:27 |
| dwalleck | I've got his email that I'm reading from | 17:27 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 17:27 |
| dwalleck | hehe | 17:27 |
| dwalleck | go, because I know I've been swamped and haven't been able to jump in =P | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | can I describe the strategy I discussed with you and davidkranz yesterday? | 17:28 |
| dwalleck | yes! | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | ok, cool. | 17:28 |
| JoseSwiftQE | jaypipes: side question for you. Somehow the author got set to David Kranz on my commit, and I can't fix it. I'm a bit of a git newb, but even git commit --amend --autho=me isn't working :\ | 17:28 |
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| jaypipes | JoseSwiftQE: that's likely a bug in gerrit.. just iignore. | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | for now. being worked on. | 17:28 |
| JoseSwiftQE | coolbeans | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | OK, so the strategy I described for parallelizing the tests (easily) was to make some adaptations to the base test case classes that would create a user/tenant for each test case object | 17:29 |
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| jaypipes | this would get us past the big issue with currently rtunning with --processes=N, which is running out of quotas... | 17:29 |
| dwalleck | yup yup | 17:30 |
| jaypipes | I am going to be working on this today and tomorrow. Should have a patch up that shows the code so we can discuss | 17:30 |
| dwalleck | and isolates testing well also | 17:30 |
| jaypipes | yep. | 17:30 |
| jaypipes | do we have any HPers on the channel? I'd like to discuss the negative/fuzz testing. | 17:30 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: around? | 17:31 |
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| davidkranz | Oh. I see we reconvened. | 17:31 |
| jaypipes | I don't see any other HPers... | 17:31 |
| pcrews | jaypipes: I'm lurking, but haven't dug too deep into randgen applications for that stuff yet (next week) | 17:31 |
| nijaba | jaypipes: o/ | 17:31 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: any other HPers? we'd like to discuss strategy with the negative tests and also how bugs are being used for tracking these tests | 17:32 |
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| jaypipes | pcrews: k, no worries. | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: if you want, you can say "I'd rather see an email about this to the ML first, discuss on ML, and I will have HPers at the next meeting to disucss" :) | 17:32 |
| nijaba | jaypipes: HPers? not sure I follow you? | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: ah, sorry, I thought you worked at HP in Ravi's group!@ | 17:33 |
| jaypipes | sorry about that! | 17:33 |
| nijaba | jaypipes: nope, still working fro canonical ;) | 17:33 |
| jaypipes | doh, you're nic barcet. | 17:33 |
| nijaba | no worries ;) | 17:33 |
| jaypipes | OK, so it looks like there aren't any other HPers... | 17:33 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz, dwalleck: I will write up an email with discussion points about changing the tracking of these things in our bug list and in slowing down pace of these negative test | 17:34 |
| dwalleck | sounds good | 17:34 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Thanks. | 17:34 |
| jaypipes | np | 17:34 |
| jaypipes | what;'s the next topic? | 17:34 |
| dwalleck | ...I think this is all copied from last week | 17:35 |
| davidkranz | How about : Expectations of Tempest execution time | 17:35 |
| dwalleck | We can do that | 17:35 |
| dwalleck | #topic Tempest execution time | 17:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest execution time" | 17:36 | |
| dwalleck | boom | 17:36 |
| jaypipes | I believe *smoke* tests should take no longer than 10 minutes to complete. | 17:36 |
| davidkranz | I think there are three cases: 1) gating job 2) Good tempest run 3) complete regression test | 17:36 |
| jaypipes | that would be 600 seconds, or approximately 40% of the current runtime. | 17:37 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Does smoketest == gating job? | 17:37 |
| dwalleck | I could see even 15, but 10 would very nice | 17:37 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: it should be the *first* gating job, yes. if the core projects decide they would like the complete regresion test to gate after some time, cool with me. | 17:37 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: the idea being we should have a hierarchical, waterfall-type gate job, with the smoke tests being the first gate and finer-grained tests run only after successful completion of smoke tests | 17:38 |
| sam_rackspace | +1 for David's opinion | 17:38 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: which opinoin is that? :) | 17:38 |
| sam_rackspace | As in I agree that a smoke is gate number 1 and the most important/required :-) | 17:39 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I wasnt' sure if there was a jenkins-determined time that we need to stay under to be a good citizen of gating jobs. | 17:39 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: lol, I think we've blown up our "being a good citizen Karma" with our Ci overlords ;) | 17:40 |
| sam_rackspace | and then a waterfall-type gating process/job to suit needs, but the smoke tests have to run before any given build is even considered testable/useable. | 17:40 |
| jaypipes | right, jeblair? :) | 17:40 |
| jaypipes | sam_rackspace: yup, 100% | 17:40 |
| dwalleck | If there is, that's something we probably need to keep in mind | 17:40 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: my idea is to break the current job (which executes everything) into a series of dependent jobs. | 17:40 |
| davidkranz | Our tools to reduce the time are parallelize, only create servers when necessary, reduce smoke cases. | 17:41 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: that way we will have finer-grained control of test runs and what the core projects want to prevent a merge with a failure | 17:41 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: ++ | 17:41 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: no, +100 | 17:41 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: ++ | 17:41 |
| davidkranz | I can take a look at the server creation and try to trim it down if no one else is doing that. | 17:42 |
| dwalleck | I see what you're saying, that makes sense. | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: OK, if I work on the parallel execution today, can either you or dwalleck work on identifying precisely which tests are decorated as smoke, but arenty'? | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: ++ | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: smaller commits, the better... | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: it makes merge hell easir. | 17:42 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Sure. | 17:43 |
| dwalleck | I can take a pass at it | 17:43 |
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| davidkranz | OK, so Jay:parallelize, Daryl: smoke accuracy, David: server creation overhead? | 17:43 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 17:44 |
| jaypipes | kk, I say we get to work then... | 17:44 |
| davidkranz | As we have discussed, when a new server is needed is somewhat of a judgement call so we can iron that out in reviews of code submissions. | 17:44 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: ++ O | 17:45 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: My rule of thumb: if a server needs to be restarted, rebooted, updated metadata, snapshotted, or modified in any way, the server needs to be created and destroyed in the test method. If not, it can be added as a class-level shared instance. | 17:45 |
| dwalleck | I'll make a first pass through and put it up for a review | 17:45 |
| jaypipes | awesome | 17:45 |
| davidkranz | Sounds good. | 17:46 |
| jaypipes | alrighty. sounds like a plan. | 17:46 |
| * jaypipes eager to get to work.. | 17:46 | |
| dwalleck | Boom! | 17:46 |
| davidkranz | So long then... | 17:46 |
| dwalleck | #endmeeting | 17:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meeting channel. See http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings for schedule and http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/ for meeting logs" | 17:46 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 14 17:46:27 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-14-17.25.html | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-14-17.25.txt | 17:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-06-14-17.25.log.html | 17:46 |
| jaypipes | ciao | 17:46 |
| JoseSwiftQE | woo | 17:46 |
| dwalleck | adios | 17:46 |
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