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| dhellmann | hi, flacoste | 16:00 |
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| nijaba | hello dhellmann, flacoste | 16:00 |
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| flacoste | hi dhellmann | 16:01 |
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| flacoste | hi nijaba | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | how's the event at enovance going nijaba & dachary? | 16:01 |
| dachary | dhellmann: awesome :-) | 16:01 |
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| dachary | http://www.slideshare.net/enovance are the slides (most of them) | 16:01 |
| * dhellmann is sad he missed out | 16:01 | |
| jd___ | hi | 16:01 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: it wa great. 120 attended. full room | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | that's good turn out! | 16:02 |
| dachary | dhellmann: next event you'll talk about ceilometer ? | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | any excuse to come to paris :-) | 16:02 |
| dachary | ahah | 16:02 |
| nijaba | dachary: I already did a bit :) | 16:02 |
| jd___ | #startmeeting | 16:02 |
| jd___ | #meetingname ceilometer | 16:02 |
| jd___ | #link https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg12501.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 31 16:02:40 2012 UTC. The chair is jd___. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| jd___ | 16:02 | |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 16:02 |
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| jd___ | #chair nijaba dachary | 16:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dachary jd___ nijaba | 16:03 |
| jd___ | #topic actions from previous meetings | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meetings" | 16:03 | |
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| jd___ | #info jd___ and dhellmann opened a bunch of bugs on Launchpad to track things https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer | 16:03 |
| jd___ | I don't think they were any other actions planned | 16:03 |
| jd___ | but if someone wants to add something, please say so | 16:04 |
| nijaba | Thanks for your great work on the testing framework, dhellmann & jd___ | 16:04 |
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| jd___ | thanks nijaba :) | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | that caught me a little off guard, but I'm glad we have that going now | 16:04 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: that's part of the fun ;) | 16:04 |
| nijaba | I am very happy that we are laying the ground nicely for a stable and reliable project | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | jd___, I told my manager "If it was easy, anyone could do it." | 16:05 |
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| jd___ | :-) | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | I have a demo later this afternoon showing ceilometer as part of DreamHost's alpha 1 milestone. I appreciate the help everyone has provided in making it possible to do that. :-) | 16:05 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: amazing! | 16:06 |
| jd___ | nice | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | it's a small, internal demo, as part of our sprint process, but a HUGE milestone for me (and us) | 16:06 |
| jd___ | you'll have to tell the result ;) | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | I'll definitely let you know how it goes | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann to report on outcome of demo at DreamHost | 16:07 |
| jd___ | :-) | 16:07 |
| jd___ | #action dhellmann to report on outcome of demo at DreamHost | 16:07 |
| jd___ | (not sure it works otherwise) | 16:08 |
| jd___ | ok so let's move on | 16:08 |
| jd___ | #topic API message format | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API message format" | 16:08 | |
| dhellmann | I have a gist prepared with the existing message format: https://gist.github.com/2844410 | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | this is based on the work done so far, and is how the agent sends messages to the collector | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | it's there for reference, but there are definitely things I want to change about it before we call it "done" | 16:09 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: based on the ml discussion, I think we should add something to cast the meter (delta, gauge,...) | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | the first being the RPC wrapper, since the metering messages feel a lot more like notifications than RPC calls | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | yes, good point | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | I'll open a ticket for that | 16:10 |
| flacoste | nijaba, dhellmann: isn't it part of the event_type field? | 16:10 |
| flacoste | 'event_type': '%s.%s' % (cfg.CONF.metering_topic, | 16:10 |
| flacoste | counter.type) | 16:10 |
| flacoste | counter.type? | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | heh, there's already a bug open for that | 16:10 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: should we also have something that identify the emiting host, or is this part of the envelope? | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | the existing counter.type value is the id or name from the table in the wiki | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | bug #1006425 talks about changing that | 16:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1006425 in ceilometer "add counter type field" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1006425 | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | hey, nice bot action! | 16:11 |
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| dhellmann | nijaba, yes, I think the emitting host is in there somewhere as part of the event metadata, but we should add an explicit field | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | see bug #1006989 | 16:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1006989 in ceilometer "add emitting host field to meter messages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1006989 | 16:12 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: nice. we can also add something on the collector that does anti spoofing then | 16:12 |
| jd___ | we can rely on signature for that if we have a key for each host | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | see bug #1006990 | 16:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1006990 in ceilometer "the collector should verify the signature of incoming metering data" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1006990 | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | jd___ the way the signature works now is a single shared secret value. do you mean to have a separate secret for each host? | 16:14 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: that would be the best way to do anti spoofing on a per-host basis if we want that | 16:14 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: I will add a comment on the bug to check host field with envelop as well, as private keys can be eventually stolen | 16:14 |
| jd___ | I don't think I want that but maybe nijaba wants | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | ok, I can see that | 16:15 |
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| nijaba | #action nijaba to comment on bug 1006990 for anti spoofing of messages | 16:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1006990 in ceilometer "the collector should verify the signature of incoming metering data" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1006990 | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | we will need to figure out how to share those configuration values with the collector and the agent, but it's possible | 16:15 |
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| jd___ | maybe for now a unique key for everyone is enough | 16:16 |
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| dhellmann | I think that satisfies my needs, but I'm sure we can implement it in a way that hosts can have their own keys, too | 16:16 |
| jd___ | sure | 16:16 |
| nijaba | I would vote for a key per agent | 16:17 |
| nijaba | to maintain indepence of agents | 16:17 |
| zykes- | ceilometer ? | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | nijaba, do you want to open a ticket or blueprint to work out how to implement it? | 16:17 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: I take the action | 16:17 |
| jd___ | zykes-: yes | 16:17 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to define a configuration mechanism on a per agent basis | 16:18 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: so event_type will be removed IIUC ? | 16:19 |
| zykes- | will there be a basic folsom integration? | 16:19 |
| nijaba | zykes-: we are targeting folsom for 1st delivery | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | jd___ we have some redundant information now, with event_type appearing as a top-level item and as part of the metadata added by the instance counter. so one copy can go away | 16:20 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: that's what I though, ok | 16:21 |
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| jd___ | if it's only needed by the rpc mechanism, it'll go away | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | well, it's not needed by the rpc mechanism. I added it because tools/notificationclient.py was expecting to find it :-) | 16:21 |
| jd___ | oh ok | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | but it can probably still go away | 16:22 |
| jd___ | yeah :) | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | the current format is a bit of a mixup of notification and rpc | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | I expected to clean it up when we get to the point of actually storing the data | 16:22 |
| jd___ | fair enough | 16:23 |
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| dhellmann | see bug #1006995 | 16:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1006995 in ceilometer "clean up redundant metering message fields" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1006995 | 16:23 |
| nijaba | are we still in agreement that these messages will go through a separate queue from the nova queue, while still using the openstack common queue functions? | 16:24 |
| jd___ | I think so | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | I think so. Each message is going to 2 queues right now: "metering" and "metering.type" where type is "instance", "disk", "floatingip", etc. | 16:25 |
| nijaba | nice | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | I want to keep the names, but use something closer to the nofiy() function instead of cast() to send the messages | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | that will mean creating a new type of consumer in the rpc library, though :-/ | 16:26 |
| nijaba | would that be a problem? | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | no, I just need to do the work. | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | they are pretty close to having that code ready to move out of nova into openstack-common, so it might make sense to wait a iittle while | 16:27 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: let's hope that flacoste will soon have a team to supplement you and jd___ here | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | unless they're not as close as I think | 16:28 |
| flacoste | nijaba: we are still a few weeks away from that unfortunately :-( | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | it would be good to have a few more hands :-) | 16:28 |
| jd___ | anyway we already need the consumer type dhellmann, if it can be compatible with nova notifications | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | ah, well, we'll still have plenty of work for them to do then | 16:28 |
| nijaba | flacoste: should we send CVs to you? | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | exactly, jd___ | 16:28 |
| flacoste | nijaba: please do actually! | 16:29 |
| nijaba | I will! | 16:29 |
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| dhellmann | is there any other feedback on the message format or contents? | 16:31 |
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| jd___ | not from my point | 16:32 |
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| nijaba | nor here | 16:32 |
| flacoste | neither here | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | good. I'm sure we will find other things to change as we go along, but this should work for now. | 16:33 |
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| dhellmann | next week is the "storage backend" discussion, right? | 16:34 |
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| nijaba | dhellmann: yes | 16:35 |
| jd___ | yep | 16:35 |
| nijaba | should we mark your proposal as agreed, pending the discussed changes? | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | I am looking forward to reading the proposals for that on the mailing list. :-) | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | if everyone is comfortable with it, I am | 16:36 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: same here. Sound like a mongoDB vs Riak vs ... flamewar to start | 16:36 |
| nijaba | jd___: vote maybe? | 16:36 |
| nijaba | just to check? | 16:36 |
| flacoste | what, nobody is considering PostgreSQL? :-) | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | nijaba, I think we'll probably have another plugin point for storage backends :-) | 16:37 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: true, but not SQLAlchemy! | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | I will leave that up to the implementer. :-) | 16:38 |
| nijaba | hehe | 16:38 |
| jd___ | if you want :) | 16:38 |
| nijaba | so, should we vote on the API message format or just mark it as agreed? | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | let's do the vote and make it official | 16:41 |
| nijaba | jd___: go ahead and open the vote then :) | 16:41 |
| jd___ | anything else? | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | not from me | 16:43 |
| nijaba | nor here (apart from the vote) | 16:43 |
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| nijaba | ok, I'll open the vote then | 16:45 |
| jd___ | go ahead | 16:45 |
| nijaba | #vote agreement on the proposal from dhellmann https://gist.github.com/2844410 for API messaging format, pending the 2 modifications discussed during the meeting | 16:45 |
| nijaba | +1 | 16:46 |
| flacoste | +1 | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 16:46 |
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| dachary | +1 | 16:46 |
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| jd___ | +1 | 16:46 |
| nijaba | ok, I guess we can mark this as agreed then | 16:46 |
| nijaba | #agreed on the proposal from dhellmann https://gist.github.com/2844410 for API messaging format, pending the 2 modifications discussed during the meeting | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | good | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | if we're done, it's time for some lunch here | 16:48 |
| nijaba | #topic other topics | 16:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "other topics" | 16:49 | |
| nijaba | anyone? | 16:49 |
| flacoste | dhellmann: +1 | 16:49 |
| nijaba | ok, I guess some bellys need to get filled :) | 16:49 |
| nijaba | bellies maybe? | 16:50 |
| nijaba | anyway... thanks everyone! | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 16:50 |
| flacoste | thanks! | 16:50 |
| dachary | nijaba: thanks ! | 16:50 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 16:50 |
| dachary | and thanks everyone :-) | 16:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 31 16:50:36 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-31-16.02.html | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-31-16.02.txt | 16:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-31-16.02.log.html | 16:50 |
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| davidkranz | QA meeting? | 17:05 |
| Ravikumar_hp | ready. | 17:06 |
| rohitk | hi | 17:06 |
| dwalleck | sure | 17:06 |
| davidkranz | Is Jay here? | 17:06 |
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| davidkranz | I guess not. Does any one else know the status of tempest gating? | 17:08 |
| dwalleck | nope, not involved with that | 17:09 |
| rohit-k | me neither, but jenkins build history doesnt look very stable at first glance | 17:10 |
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| davidkranz | rohit-k: What is the URL for that? | 17:10 |
| rohit-k | https://jenkins.openstack.org/view/Tempest/builds | 17:10 |
| davidkranz | I see. | 17:11 |
| rohit-k | 'nodes getting offline' now and then | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | I think we are going to need another rotating captain to monitor the nightly tempest run once it is working. | 17:12 |
| Ravikumar_hp | ++ looks like | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | JoseSwiftQA: What's up with the swift tests? | 17:13 |
| JoseSwiftQA | Other than final pep8 checks, it's code complete. I want to run it through some more tests before I submit. | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | JoseSwiftQA: OK, amy thoughts on when that will be? | 17:14 |
| JoseSwiftQA | My devstack instance blew up over the weekend, and i stubbornly tried to fix it instead of rebuilding it :D | 17:14 |
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| JoseSwiftQA | I can get the last testing done today and hopefully have it submitted today as well. | 17:14 |
| davidkranz | JoseSwiftQA: Great. | 17:14 |
| Ravikumar_hp | looks like code submitted Gerrit review - expired | 17:14 |
| JoseSwiftQA | I'll have to add another test for the container list method, but that won't take any time. | 17:14 |
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| JoseSwiftQA | Yeah, Jay emailed me about it and had me un-abandon it | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | I saw an (unused) 'from unittest.case import SkipTest' in one of the newer test files that does not work with Python 2.6. It can be removed but are we trying to support 2.6? | 17:16 |
| davidkranz | The other files use nose.SkipTest | 17:16 |
| JoseSwiftQA | coolbeans, if i haven't cleaned it up I will. | 17:17 |
| rohit-k | rather unittest2.skipTest? | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | rohit-k: Yes. It was aliased to unittest | 17:17 |
| rohit-k | ok | 17:17 |
| rohit-k | meaning we're standardised on the unittest implementation right? | 17:18 |
| davidkranz | rohit-k: Not sure what you mean. I was wondering whether we are requiring code to work with 2.6. | 17:19 |
| davidkranz | The file was test_volumes_get.py | 17:19 |
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| rohit-k | davidkranz: oh ok | 17:19 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: Daryl, you put out two issues a little while ago. You want to start that? | 17:20 |
| dwalleck | Sure | 17:20 |
| dwalleck | While doing code reviews the last few days, I've really noticed that's we're accomplishing the same task in different areas of the code | 17:21 |
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| dwalleck | For example, how we expect exceptions and how we cleanup resources | 17:22 |
| dwalleck | For clarity's sake, it would be nice if we were consistent | 17:22 |
| dwalleck | So for example....for testing for asserts, we use try/except, assertRaises, and the expect exception decarator | 17:23 |
| rohit-k | dwalleck: For checking exceptions, how about using try: self.assertRaises() except: self.fail("failure message") | 17:23 |
| dwalleck | Could we just decide on one method and (unless circumstances deem it necessary) stick with that? | 17:23 |
| rohit-k | ? | 17:23 |
| dwalleck | rohit-k: I don't follow. Why would we need a try/except around assertRaises? | 17:24 |
| rohit-k | dwalleck: that would allow one to throw a failure message with the failed status | 17:24 |
| dwalleck | rohit-k: You can add a failure message as an extra param... | 17:25 |
| davidkranz | I like assertRaises. It minimizes boilerplate code. | 17:25 |
| dwalleck | We should really be doing that everywhere, it's just gotten away from us | 17:25 |
| rohit-k | hmmm | 17:25 |
| rohit-k | does assertRaises accept a msg argument? | 17:26 |
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| dwalleck | rohit-k: it should. That's the standard pattern for python unittest | 17:27 |
| dwalleck | I'm not sure why that assert would be different | 17:27 |
| rohit-k | All the assert methods (except assertRaises(), assertRaisesRegexp()) accept a msg argument that, if specified, is used as the error message on failure (see also longMessage). | 17:27 |
| rohit-k | http://docs.python.org/library/unittest.html#unittest.TestCase.assertRaises | 17:27 |
| dwalleck | Huh, I see that too...that's bizzare | 17:28 |
| rohit-k | yes | 17:28 |
| dwalleck | Hmm....well they're odd. I'd vote for writing a util method to encapsulate the logic you just mentioned | 17:29 |
| davidkranz | ++ | 17:29 |
| rohit-k | dwalleck++ | 17:29 |
| dwalleck | That way we get all of the functionality and avoid any extra boilerplate code | 17:29 |
| davidkranz | We could put it as a method in BaseComputeTest | 17:30 |
| dwalleck | davidkranz: ++ | 17:30 |
| donaldngo_hp | does this have to be specific to compute? | 17:31 |
| rohit-k | why BaseComputeTest? ideally it should be available to all api test | 17:31 |
| rohit-k | tests* | 17:31 |
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| rohit-k | tempest/utils.py | 17:31 |
| donaldngo_hp | should be BaseTest | 17:31 |
| dwalleck | True, perhaps even a generic TempestTestCase class instead (that each base class can inherit from?)\ | 17:31 |
| davidkranz | Yeah, I guess there should really be another class above BaseComputeTest | 17:31 |
| rohit-k | we don't have a TempestTestCase base class, that would call for changes in a lot of files | 17:32 |
| rohit-k | thought it's the right approach | 17:32 |
| davidkranz | The only change would be in the inheritance clause and files would not have to be changed to use the new class until their code was changed to use the new method. | 17:33 |
| rohit-k | davidkranz: true | 17:34 |
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| davidkranz | Actually I think only a few files would be changed. The tests would still inherit from the same existing BaseComputeTest, etc. | 17:34 |
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| davidkranz | So I think we are in agreement that there should be a new class defining at least a wrapper for assertRaises and that we will use this new method for handling expected exceptions. | 17:36 |
| rohit-k | +1 | 17:36 |
| dwalleck | ++ | 17:37 |
| davidkranz | About resource allocation. I have advocated that resource-allocating methods keep track of the resources in their classes and have a method to clean them up. | 17:37 |
| davidkranz | There would also be a keyword argument to the creation calls that would say not do do this in case the test needs to manually manage the resources for that test. | 17:38 |
| dwalleck | davidkranz: I would have to see an implementation. I just want to make sure we're not doing too much behind the scenes magic | 17:39 |
| rohit-k | davidkranz: that would help, for example, list servers and list images setUp 3 resources as a class Fixture | 17:39 |
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| rohit-k | some test methods require no resoureces at all | 17:39 |
| rohit-k | like I want to check for a blank list | 17:39 |
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| dwalleck | There already is an addCleanup method built into the unittest class | 17:40 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: I agree. It is like garbage collection instead of malloc/free. You have to be careful with non-virtualized resources. | 17:40 |
| rohit-k | dwallkeck++ I love that method | 17:40 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: I will make a proposal. | 17:41 |
| rohit-k | so tests can add their own cleanup logic to the tearDown() code | 17:41 |
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| JoseSwiftQA | addCleanup: http://docs.python.org/library/unittest.html#unittest.TestCase.addCleanup | 17:42 |
| davidkranz | Note this method is new in 2.7 so we really need to decide if we are supporting 2.6. | 17:43 |
| dwalleck | Ahh...in that case, that might be an easy | 17:43 |
| dwalleck | nix what I just said. That makes no sense. Haven't slept enough :) | 17:43 |
| davidkranz | I'm fine with dropping 2.6 but I don't think OpenStack as a whole seems ready to do that. | 17:44 |
| dwalleck | What I was trying to say is that perhaps we can do the same thing as we are doing for assertRaises. Having a default behavior for this in the base test class is also fine | 17:44 |
| rohit-k | I think nova's unit test framework does something similar | 17:45 |
| rohit-k | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/test.py#L146 | 17:47 |
| rohit-k | dwalleck: we should be having a BaseTest class I think now | 17:47 |
| dwalleck | ++. We just have to add a way to register resources and we're set | 17:48 |
| rohit-k | going forward with Jay's refactoring branch, it might be very useful | 17:48 |
| rohit-k | davidkranz? | 17:50 |
| rohit-k | what do you think? | 17:51 |
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| davidkranz | That seems OK. We need to modify the resource creators. | 17:52 |
| davidkranz | My thought was that the resources are accumulated in the client class because only it knows how to free them | 17:53 |
| davidkranz | That is, the class with the allocation method is the one that knows how to free it. | 17:54 |
| rohit-k | davidkranz: you mean add the resource cleanup code per client? | 17:55 |
| davidkranz | Yes. Is there another way? | 17:55 |
| rohit-k | not sure why I would want to see cleanups in the client classes | 17:56 |
| dwalleck | davidkranz: If we ever move back towards using objects instead of just raw json for entities in Tempest, an entity would know to delete itself (which would be clean) | 17:56 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: True. | 17:57 |
| rohit-k | dwalleck++ | 17:57 |
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| davidkranz | dwalleck: But the client would still have to collect the objects. | 17:58 |
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| davidkranz | I think we are about out of time. | 17:58 |
| dwalleck | by the way, first round of multiprocessor configs are up for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/7984/ | 17:59 |
| dwalleck | Will be pushing them in batches throughout the week | 18:00 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: How do you decide which classes need this attribute? | 18:00 |
| dwalleck | davidkranz: every class does. The attribs tell the class how to execute when the multiprocess plugin is used | 18:01 |
| dwalleck | Some test classes may need to be refactored because they were not designed to be executed concurrently | 18:02 |
| davidkranz | OK, so you just changed the ones that didn't? | 18:02 |
| dwalleck | davidkranz: Not yet. Every test class is going to need these vars. For the ones that obviously won't work as is, I've passed over them for now | 18:03 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: OK. | 18:03 |
| dwalleck | Debugging these in smaller batches is far easier than configuring them all at the same time | 18:03 |
| davidkranz | See you all next week. I guess no one officially started the meeting so there won't be a log. | 18:03 |
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| rohit-k | Bye! | 18:04 |
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