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| johngarbutt | #startmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 9 17:01:24 2012 UTC. The chair is johngarbutt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| johngarbutt | hello all | 17:02 |
| deshantm | hi | 17:02 |
| jerdfelt | hi | 17:02 |
| armax | hi | 17:02 |
| johngarbutt | I have put an agenda up for the meeting | 17:02 |
| johngarbutt | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/XenAPI | 17:02 |
| johngarbutt | #topic welcome | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "welcome" | 17:02 | |
| armax | we can start alphabetically :) | 17:03 |
| johngarbutt | Just to introduce myself, I work for Citrix | 17:03 |
| johngarbutt | sure, go for it | 17:03 |
| armax | armax = Armando Migliaccio (Internap)…you might have noticed my name around the xenapi driver LOCs | 17:03 |
| armax | previously with Citrix, so big fan of XenServer/XCP | 17:04 |
| armax | now with Internap, but same interests ;) | 17:04 |
| armax | who's next? | 17:04 |
| comstud | anyone before comstud? | 17:04 |
| comstud | :) | 17:04 |
| comstud | i'll just go | 17:04 |
| johngarbutt | just everyone chip in at once, when it stops we can just move on :-) | 17:05 |
| jerdfelt | Johannes Erdfelt, I work at Rackspace with comstud | 17:05 |
| comstud | chris behrens, Rackspace. We're using XenServer, so we do a lot of work in the xenapi portion of nova | 17:05 |
| westmaas | gabe westmaas, rackspace, mostly lurking :) | 17:05 |
| johngarbutt | johngarbutt = John Garbutt (Citrix) I am working on making XenServer work well with OpenStack | 17:05 |
| deshantm | I'm Todd Deshane, technology evangelist for Xen.org. I've worked closely with the Xen+OpenStack efforts particularly with Project Kronos (xcp-xapi on Ubuntu/Debian) | 17:06 |
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| johngarbutt | #topic XenAPI related blueprints | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "XenAPI related blueprints" | 17:07 | |
| johngarbutt | Just wanted to get an idea of what people want and plan to do in Folsom, and lets check how it is going | 17:07 |
| johngarbutt | Citrix plan to work on: Boot from volume and Live Migration, in terms of new features | 17:08 |
| johngarbutt | @jerdfelt how is the work making nova deal with nova-compute restarts going? | 17:08 |
| jerdfelt | good | 17:08 |
| jerdfelt | i have a branch that can handle restarts during instance create and delete | 17:09 |
| johngarbutt | is there a bug or blueprint to track that? | 17:09 |
| jerdfelt | no blueprint yet, i'll do this today | 17:09 |
| johngarbutt | cool | 17:09 |
| westmaas | johngarbutt: can you link the blueprints for the boot from volume and live migration work? | 17:09 |
| armax | I haven't got any planning yet…but I'd be happy to coordinate work with the host-aggregate blueprint | 17:10 |
| armax | as I started the work at the end of essex and I am familiar with the code | 17:10 |
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| johngarbutt | cool, that is host-aggregates v2 right? | 17:10 |
| armax | yup | 17:10 |
| johngarbutt | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-live-migration | 17:11 |
| johngarbutt | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-boot-from-volume | 17:11 |
| johngarbutt | so for the host-aggregates it is this one: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/general-host-aggregates | 17:12 |
| jerdfelt | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-idempotency | 17:12 |
| johngarbutt | I think the idea is to allow KVM and other use it for metadata, do work around the schedule but maintain the XenAPI pools | 17:12 |
| johngarbutt | @armax looks like Joe Gordon has taken host aggregates, you OK to talk about sorting the XenAPI bits? | 17:13 |
| armax | we need to get in touch with Phil Day @HP as he was the main driver for the change | 17:13 |
| johngarbutt | good point, he lead the session | 17:13 |
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| johngarbutt | I know vish had strong ideas on that one too | 17:14 |
| johngarbutt | I was there, so can fill you in on some details, but best to talk to them, as you say | 17:14 |
| armax | k…that's an action item | 17:14 |
| johngarbutt | #action armax to look at host-aggregates | 17:15 |
| johngarbutt | @jerdfelt awesome, thanks for the link | 17:15 |
| comstud | what's this 'guest agent' reference on the agenda? | 17:15 |
| johngarbutt | generally speaking, I am happy to forward any questions to the XenServer dev team, if that is useful | 17:16 |
| johngarbutt | so let me know if Citrix can help | 17:16 |
| johngarbutt | heads up on live migrate | 17:16 |
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| johngarbutt | it will not require shared storage | 17:17 |
| johngarbutt | it is across pool | 17:17 |
| armax | as far as the guest agent is concerned, it would be super-awesome if we could have something at the same level of the other openstack projects | 17:17 |
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| johngarbutt | currently just planning local storage -> local storage | 17:17 |
| armax | comstud: do you think this is a crazy idea? | 17:17 |
| johngarbutt | any news on the guest agent from rackspace people? | 17:18 |
| comstud | armax: No, there was a lot of guest agent discussion at the summit. Maybe too much, too many competing talks/ideas :) | 17:18 |
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| comstud | Well | 17:18 |
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| armax | sorry I feel | 17:18 |
| comstud | We need a guest agent that works for multiple hypervisors | 17:18 |
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| comstud | It should definitely be an openstack project | 17:18 |
| comstud | There's a lot of talk about configuring guests via an ec2-like metadata service | 17:19 |
| comstud | perhaps using cloud-init, or modifying cloud-init | 17:19 |
| comstud | or something compatable | 17:19 |
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| johngarbutt | yes, and XenAPI doesn't have config drive, which was mentioned | 17:19 |
| comstud | We need to have something that's easy to install into images for those that are building their own images, etc. | 17:19 |
| comstud | Yea, I don't think config drive is really the right long term solution.. | 17:20 |
| comstud | However, there are definitely people interested in that | 17:20 |
| comstud | At one point, we were going to mirror the functionality in xenapi.. but that hasn't happened yet | 17:20 |
| johngarbutt | I tend to agree with that, its just not dynamic enough | 17:20 |
| armax | comstud: multiple hypervisors and multiple guests :) | 17:20 |
| comstud | And we basically abandoned the idea in favor of using a metadata service | 17:20 |
| comstud | armax: ya :) | 17:21 |
| johngarbutt | #action find if anyone is willing to do Config drive for XenAPI layer | 17:21 |
| armax | as for the Windows agent….I know that RS has one | 17:21 |
| johngarbutt | well I think we agree what we want | 17:21 |
| comstud | As is.. the guest agent we have works on Linux and FreeBSD, but it's Xen specific since communication is via xenstore. | 17:21 |
| comstud | well, the unix guest agent | 17:21 |
| comstud | Then there's also the Windows guest agent, different code base | 17:21 |
| armax | is it worth considering using as a base point? | 17:21 |
| westmaas | johngarbutt: I think there is talk of using metadata service instead of config drive as well - so that may be the first question to answer | 17:21 |
| comstud | both are up on launchpad (and need or are in the process of moving to github) | 17:21 |
| johngarbutt | right, there was talk about the best way to share a link, personally I don't mind them being abstracted away behind a common interface | 17:22 |
| comstud | armax: Depends on the overall direction of how to configure guests. | 17:22 |
| comstud | It is somewhat pluggable as-is, though it's not quite how it needs to be | 17:22 |
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| comstud | The communication mechanism was suppsoed to be pluggable.. currently only supporting xenstore | 17:22 |
| comstud | however it's very much a request/response type agent.. nothing that just automatically seeks data on boot | 17:23 |
| johngarbutt | westmaas: I hurd config drive was going to use same format as metadata service, used where DHCP is not wanted (micro cloud) | 17:23 |
| westmaas | johngarbutt: ah, so it doesn't matter where the data actually is, got it | 17:23 |
| comstud | If we're switching to metadata type service, prob makes sense to use cloud-init as a base... or add the support into cloud-init | 17:23 |
| comstud | the one issue that's always come up: how to reset passwords for already-built instances, though. | 17:24 |
| comstud | right now, with the current agent, you can do it while the VM is running, by sending a request to the agent. | 17:24 |
| johngarbutt | I wonder about using: xenstore / metadata / config drive as the same data, but different channels on boot, with fall back order, but of course, only xenstore means its dynamic | 17:24 |
| comstud | Well, all of this is probably not really xenapi specific | 17:25 |
| johngarbutt | Sounds like we should leave guest agent / config drive for another time, | 17:26 |
| comstud | so I dunno if this is the right place to discuss | 17:26 |
| johngarbutt | agreed | 17:26 |
| comstud | Unless we want to make some specific changes to the current agent | 17:26 |
| comstud | in the meantime | 17:26 |
| johngarbutt | any more on blueprints | 17:26 |
| johngarbutt | I know vish wants to get a list for Folsom as soon as possible | 17:26 |
| johngarbutt | lets move on to docs... | 17:27 |
| johngarbutt | #topic XenAPI docs | 17:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "XenAPI docs" | 17:27 | |
| johngarbutt | I have started some draft docs on #link http://wiki.openstack.org/XenServer | 17:27 |
| johngarbutt | Any news in KenP will add in some diagrams he had | 17:27 |
| armax | johngarbutt: you mean Ken Pepple? | 17:28 |
| johngarbutt | armax: yep, sorry Ken Pepple mentioned he might have some docs he could share | 17:28 |
| armax | I'll check with him | 17:28 |
| johngarbutt | I plan to add three (or so) example deployment diagrams and sets of flags | 17:29 |
| johngarbutt | So people who want to go without DevStack can have a fighting chance | 17:29 |
| armax | mark it as an action item | 17:29 |
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| johngarbutt | #action chase Ken Pepple for docs | 17:29 |
| armax | yes..bear it mind that the youtube video for devstack setup is obsolete now | 17:29 |
| armax | take it down | 17:29 |
| johngarbutt | Anyone else keen to help? A quick review to see if it makes sense, would be awesome | 17:30 |
| armax | which would bring me to the QA topic, but I don't wanna jump the gun | 17:30 |
| johngarbutt | #action Find some people who will give the XenServer docs on the wiki a review | 17:31 |
| johngarbutt | #topic XenAPI QA | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "XenAPI QA" | 17:31 | |
| deshantm | I plan to try to help with that | 17:31 |
| deshantm | keep me in the loop | 17:31 |
| johngarbutt | So I have started getting some scripts for Citrix to run tests internally | 17:31 |
| deshantm | I plan to setup a local test environment soon | 17:31 |
| johngarbutt | I am planning to push them into DevStack | 17:32 |
| johngarbutt | I know there is something there already | 17:32 |
| johngarbutt | got a few tweaks to the new devstack style, so make it a bit quicker the second time | 17:32 |
| johngarbutt | #link https://github.com/citrix-openstack/qa/tree/master/jenkins/devstack-xen | 17:33 |
| armax | johngarbutt, deshantm: it would be good to fix XS support for devstack stable/essex | 17:33 |
| armax | as it's been left broken | 17:33 |
| johngarbutt | hoping to test: XenServer, XCP, xcp-xapi in Ubuntu | 17:33 |
| johngarbutt | what is broken? | 17:33 |
| armax | devstack on stable/essex for XS/XCP | 17:34 |
| armax | there was a massive cock-up right at the release point | 17:34 |
| johngarbutt | Oh... I missed that | 17:34 |
| armax | some changes didn't get merged | 17:34 |
| johngarbutt | #action fix devstack essex/stable | 17:34 |
| armax | and if you checkout devstack essex/stable, you end up having a broken xs support | 17:34 |
| armax | the fix should be pretty simple | 17:35 |
| johngarbutt | its on my list | 17:35 |
| johngarbutt | I meant to get essex stable tests running on every checkin | 17:35 |
| johngarbutt | eventually | 17:35 |
| johngarbutt | for completeness, devstack changes in progress for ci work: https://github.com/citrix-openstack/devstack/tree/xenserver-ci-improvements | 17:35 |
| johngarbutt | also devstack changes to make it work with xcp-xapi (not yet working, but closer than trunk) | 17:36 |
| johngarbutt | https://github.com/citrix-openstack/devstack/tree/xcp-xapi | 17:36 |
| johngarbutt | I ran tempest, most things are working, but there seem to be a few issues, I will probably raise some bugs and take a look | 17:37 |
| johngarbutt | two failures: keystone and because I don't have an image with the guest agent that allows key changes | 17:37 |
| johngarbutt | lets move on... | 17:37 |
| johngarbutt | #topic AOB | 17:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB" | 17:38 | |
| johngarbutt | Questions from the summit: | 17:38 |
| johngarbutt | Fedora and XCP - work is starting, but nothing you can use yet | 17:38 |
| johngarbutt | xcp-xapi is in Ubuntu 12.04 | 17:38 |
| johngarbutt | means you get X windows in dom0, if you want | 17:39 |
| johngarbutt | so you can have eclipse running to edit your sources that are running in the domU | 17:39 |
| johngarbutt | trying to pull docs for that on the wiki | 17:39 |
| johngarbutt | python 2.6 in dom0, probably not before this time next year | 17:39 |
| johngarbutt | although there might be a sup pack (unsupported) we can release sooner | 17:40 |
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| johngarbutt | Other things? | 17:40 |
| johngarbutt | Renuka has reworked DevStack, if you have not seen that recently, we install ubuntu over the network, so create the domU from scratch | 17:41 |
| johngarbutt | Any thing else people want to raise? | 17:41 |
| armax | we have some material to start with | 17:42 |
| armax | how about voting which activities should have precedence? | 17:43 |
| armax | e.g. new features vs docs vs qa vs devstack | 17:43 |
| johngarbutt | I can try... | 17:44 |
| armax | I'd rather see better docs, and qa these next milestons | 17:44 |
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| johngarbutt | +1 | 17:44 |
| johngarbutt | should the docs be back ported to essex | 17:45 |
| johngarbutt | should the qa start on folsom or essex? | 17:45 |
| johngarbutt | Ok, so things seem to have gone cold, and I need to run, so I will schedule another in a month if people think it is useful to keep in touch? | 17:46 |
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| johngarbutt | #action johngarbutt to organise another meeting in one month | 17:47 |
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| johngarbutt | #endmeeting | 17:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Progress (Meeting topic: keystone-meeting)" | 17:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 9 17:47:44 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-09-17.01.html | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-09-17.01.txt | 17:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-09-17.01.log.html | 17:47 |
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