Thursday, 2012-02-16

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DuncanTAnybody here for the volumes meeting?18:01
deshantmwhat's the volumes group all about?18:02
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DuncanTBlock device support for nova18:03
DuncanTOh, wait, I'm a week early18:04
DuncanTOooops18:04
deshantm:)18:05
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deshantmI like to see the ethusiasm18:05
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vishy!18:13
DuncanTvishy: While we're both here, can I ask you to expand on your comments on https://review.openstack.org/#change,3959 please?18:17
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DuncanTIf you're not too busy18:17
vishyDuncanT: I can try18:18
vishyso basically if volume is an independent service you shouldn't be able to arbitrarily set the state of volumes from the outside18:18
DuncanTThe basic point of the patch is to close the window between when the api sees the request and it gets actioned18:18
vishyDuncanT: so the way that we tell volume to prepare for something attaching is initialize_connection18:19
vishyso an attaching state makes sense to me there18:19
vishyI don't like the attach call either that arbitrarily sets the state to attached18:19
DuncanTBut initialize_connect can take some time to get run, leaving a bigger window than I'd like18:19
vishyDuncanT: you can set it at the very beginning of initialize_connection18:20
vishyit doesn't have to wait for the backend18:20
vishyright now we have a call from compute setting the state to attached18:20
DuncanTWe've seen times when it can occasionally take minutes to get an rpc to nova-compute though18:20
vishythis really should be done by the backend when it notices the iscsi attachment, but i'm ok using the hack for now18:21
vishyDuncanT: I don't understand, it doesn't have to rpc to compute18:21
DuncanTWhat do you mean by 'the backend'?18:21
vishycompute -> initialize_connection -> volume18:21
vishyas soon as nova-volume receives initialize_connection it sets the state of volume to attaching18:22
vishythen it calls driver.initialize_connection and returns the data to compute18:22
DuncanTBut there can be a big window between API getting the request (and sending back a reply) and the RPC making it to nova-volume18:22
vishyhmm18:23
vishyDuncanT: oh! you are setting it on the compute side18:23
vishysorry i misread18:23
DuncanTIn the mean time, the user might think it has failed, and try to attach it to another instance, and where it ends up becomes random18:23
vishyDuncanT: hmm, ultimately initialize_connection should probably be called much earlier18:24
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vishyDuncanT: seems like we really should be keeping that state in the compute side somewhere18:25
vishyDuncanT: let me think on this for a minute18:25
DuncanTnp18:25
vishyso you're really using it as a pre-attach reservation18:25
vishymaybe we should have something like reserve_volume18:25
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DuncanTThat is exactly what we're doing, yes. since the state is passed straight back to the user in euca-describe-volumes and the nova equivalent, 'attaching' seemed to make most sense semantically, but yes, internally we are reserving the volume18:27
vishygtg.18:28
vishyok i'm ok with this for now i guess18:28
vishyi really don't like the generic update call as an api18:28
vishybut we can change that later18:28
DuncanTAgreed18:28
DuncanTCan you touch the review again, or should we re-submit?18:29
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vishyDuncanT: probably needs a rebase I would guess.  Almost wonder if we should go ahead and add in a call reserve_volume instead of using volume_api.update()19:29
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n0anoanyone here for the orchestration meeting?20:00
mikeypI'm here20:01
n0anoI guess we're good then.20:02
n0ano#startmeeting20:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb 16 20:02:28 2012 UTC.  The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:02
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n0ano#topic future meetings going forward20:03
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n0anoWe can wait a minute or two for any others to join but I think the important topic is where do we go from here.20:03
mikeypI would agree - last meeting was last year ?20:04
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n0anolate last year but yes, it's been a month or two.20:04
n0anoMy main interest is the scheduler but I think people have interest in other areas that we can continue work on20:05
mikeypI think the Zone changes and scheduler stability changes were necessary, but delayd all this.20:06
mikeypI have interests in both the schedule, and the general internal messaging interfaces.20:06
n0anowhich is fine but how do we energize people to get involved again?20:06
mikeypYun has interest, since he has done extensive research in distributed transaction management and orchestration.20:07
n0anosounds good, I wonder if we need to start some threads on the email list, maybe that will get people's attention20:08
mikeypAndrew Beehhof also had interest.20:09
mikeypProbably  next steps should be to 'close' the orchestration list, and move the discussion back to the main list.20:09
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mikeypThen, revisit Sandy's original blueprint in light of the latest changes in Essex.20:09
mikeypAnd, deal with the politics of naming around 'orchestration' :-)20:10
n0anowhat's in a name :-)  I personally don't care as long as it's named something but those politics do seem to be an issue.20:11
mikeypit's not a big issue - we just pick another name, and carry on.20:11
mikeypShould we aim to organize something at the Folsom summit ?20:13
n0anoI'm thinking that might be the best thing, rather than shut down completely we just go fallow until the Folsome summit and then re-invent things from there.20:14
n0anoWe can leave this time slot here in case something comes up on the email list just in case.20:14
mikeypI don't see any substantial code progress before the summit, but there may be blueprint progress.20:14
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mikeypso, lets schedule another meeting for next week, and announce on the main list.20:16
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n0anoAgreed, I'll send out an email about it and keep this slot open but we'll definitely decide what to do at the Folsome summit at the latest.20:17
mikeypmakes sens to me.20:18
n0ano#action n0ano to send email to list keeping this meeting slot open but looking for more formal decision at the Folsome summit20:18
n0anoOK, unless you have anything else I'll close the meeting today and I'll be back next week.20:19
mikeypI think we're done for today - thanks for chairing.20:20
n0anoNP20:20
n0ano#endmeeting20:20
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