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| ttx | o/ | 20:58 |
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| pvo | o\ | 20:58 |
| glenc_ | o/ | 20:58 |
| medberry | a wave? | 20:59 |
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| jk0 | |_o | 20:59 |
| comstud | o_| | 20:59 |
| dabo | \o/ | 20:59 |
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| * dabo does a two-handed wave | 20:59 | |
| vishy | o/\o | 21:00 |
| vishy | yes, i just high-fived myself | 21:00 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 21:00 |
| jaypipes | lol | 21:00 |
| Vek | that requires a wormhole, vishy. | 21:00 |
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| medberry | o/|\o (mirror in the middle) | 21:00 |
| jaypipes | heh | 21:01 |
| ttx | let's get started | 21:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 19 21:01:13 2011 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:01 |
| ttx | Welcome everyone to our weekly OpenStack team meeting... | 21:01 |
| ttx | Today's agenda: | 21:01 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | 21:01 |
| ttx | #topic Current release stage: Design | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current release stage: Design" | 21:02 | |
| ttx | So Cactus was released last Friday, and now the Diablo merge window is open. | 21:02 |
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| ttx | We are busy preparing the design summit. | 21:02 |
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| ttx | We already have more sessions than we can fit in the schedule, but you can still propose new session topics until the end of today. | 21:02 |
| ttx | See process at http://wiki.openstack.org/Summit | 21:02 |
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| ttx | Questions on that ? | 21:03 |
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| jaypipes | ttx: you want to go over the unconference thing? | 21:04 |
| ttx | jaypipes: yes, in a few | 21:04 |
| ttx | #topic Design Summit scheduling status | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design Summit scheduling status" | 21:04 | |
| ttx | The design summit organizers (vishy, jaypipes, notmyname and myself) are busy trying to fit 100+ requests into 72 available slots. | 21:04 |
| ttx | We'll certainly have to reject a few sessions that we think are not affecting the core projects, or reduce their duration (from 55min to 25min). | 21:05 |
| ttx | In order to give those peripheral discussions some room, and to accommodate last-minute informal technical gatherings, we'll be having an unconference forum in parallel to the design summit sessions. | 21:05 |
| ttx | This one will be organized directly on a whiteboard in the unconference room, you don't have to submit a blueprint to get a slot there. | 21:05 |
| jaypipes | "the hallway track" | 21:06 |
| pvo | first come first serve? | 21:06 |
| ttx | jaypipes: a bit more predictable than pure hallway track, but yes | 21:06 |
| ttx | pvo: yes, but we can have multiple rooms on the Thursday | 21:06 |
| vishy | I'm going to bring a portable water cooler to the summit in case any important discussions happen outside of meeting rooms. | 21:06 |
| jaypipes | lol | 21:07 |
| ttx | so I don't expect the unconference forum to be completely filled... | 21:07 |
| ttx | but I've been wrong before. | 21:07 |
| ttx | I'm still trying to find a victim^Wresponsible person for that | 21:08 |
| koolhead17 | Will there be recording of all the sessions of the conf? | 21:08 |
| ttx | koolhead17: I don't think so. spectorclan ? | 21:08 |
| koolhead17 | ttx: :( | 21:08 |
| jk0 | thought I heard otherwise | 21:08 |
| pvo | koolhead17: spectorclan told me there would be | 21:08 |
| ttx | ah ? cool :) | 21:08 |
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| ttx | I know the conference is taped, not sure about design summit though. | 21:09 |
| koolhead17 | we will have all conf slides available as well :) | 21:09 |
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| koolhead17 | ttx: it be good if a camera if just fixed to the projector and mic to the speaker :P | 21:09 |
| ttx | other questions ? | 21:09 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion" | 21:10 | |
| pvo | ttx: ah, he may have meant the design summit when I spoke to spectorclan. | 21:10 |
| pvo | or the conference, not sure. | 21:10 |
| pvo | I guess we should find out. | 21:11 |
| * koolhead17 has his fingers crossed!! | 21:11 | |
| ttx | I did a full session at a UDS talking to a black box. I was happy it wasn't videotaped. | 21:11 |
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| soren | Talking to a black box? | 21:12 |
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| ttx | soren: we put a phone on a upside-down cubic trashcan | 21:13 |
| ttx | soren: and the session was just me and someone on the phone. | 21:13 |
| soren | Oh, right. :) | 21:13 |
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| koolhead17 | ttx: hehe | 21:13 |
| ttx | ok, if there aren't other questions, we'll wrap up early... | 21:13 |
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| ewanmellor | ttx: What is the right way to request a summit session for something that's not new code going in to OpenStack? | 21:14 |
| pvo | see everyone irl next week then. | 21:14 |
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| ewanmellor | I was thinking of a technical session on how the vSphere support works. I thought people may be interested. | 21:14 |
| ttx | ewanmellor: that would be a great topic for the unconference forum | 21:14 |
| johnpur | ewanmellor: +1 | 21:14 |
| ttx | ewanmellor: so just add the session to the unconference whiteboard on site | 21:15 |
| ewanmellor | ttx: Would the unconference literally just be a whiteboard, or would we have projector / network connection for demo? | 21:15 |
| * koolhead17 love to see someone explaining about the network modes and also the role based access control system | 21:15 | |
| alekibango | sorry for coming late... will there be video/desktop feed ? | 21:16 |
| pvo | ewanmellor: I'd hope for a projector and network drop. | 21:16 |
| ttx | I think that room should have projector and network | 21:16 |
| jaypipes | alekibango: working on it, yes. | 21:16 |
| koolhead17 | jaypipes: we are sitting away with eyes open :D | 21:16 |
| ttx | ewanmellor: it's a normal conference room, we get it for us once the Cisco plenary is over. | 21:16 |
| alekibango | reminder: its easy to make audio conferencing using mumble... | 21:17 |
| alekibango | and we can also share desktops... | 21:17 |
| creiht | ttx: is there a link to see what discussions have been accepted already? | 21:17 |
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| soren | alekibango: There's much, much more to audio conferencing than sofftware. | 21:17 |
| alekibango | imho we should start rather doing internet sessions... not everyone can travel, and not everyone loves being groped by TSA... | 21:17 |
| ttx | creiht: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/ods-d | 21:17 |
| alekibango | soren: i know. but its easy | 21:17 |
| creiht | ttx: awesome, thx | 21:18 |
| ttx | creiht: though the contents will change dramatically over the next hours | 21:18 |
| koolhead17 | alekibango: +1 | 21:18 |
| creiht | yup | 21:18 |
| soren | Volunteers! Awesome. | 21:18 |
| ttx | with lots of sessions added and a couple removed. | 21:18 |
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| alekibango | soren: yes i can help with audio conferences | 21:18 |
| alekibango | even audio/desktop ones | 21:18 |
| ttx | alekibango: I think it took quite a few UDses before Canonical did it right. | 21:19 |
| alekibango | UDses=? | 21:19 |
| soren | It's absolutely non-trivial. | 21:19 |
| alekibango | well, its hard to configure mic :) | 21:19 |
| ttx | Ubuntu Developer Summits. I heard the last ones were the forst ones where audio was actually usable. | 21:19 |
| alekibango | you know what i mean, in linux you have so many audio services and servers and mixers | 21:19 |
| koolhead17 | heh | 21:20 |
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| soren | 21:17 < soren> alekibango: There's much, much more to audio conferencing than sofftware. | 21:20 |
| soren | Seriously. You need really good equipment, otherwise it's almost pointless. | 21:20 |
| alekibango | soren: it should be easy to use headset from home, when we do internet only sessions | 21:21 |
| soren | 10 people sitting aroudn a table, speaking to a microphone is much simpler than 150 people with stuff on their mind. | 21:21 |
| alekibango | i know, its harder in large space | 21:21 |
| alekibango | just one way audio (place -> listeners) | 21:22 |
| alekibango | would be nice too | 21:22 |
| alekibango | we can use irc to send comments/questions | 21:22 |
| xtoddx | why not get someone link confreaks to do audio/video? | 21:23 |
| alekibango | i can help with audioconferences using mumble (its like irc bug with sound) if you will wanna try that one... | 21:24 |
| alekibango | s/bug/but | 21:24 |
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| ttx | ok, let's close this, feel free to continue the audio discussion :) | 21:24 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 21:24 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 19 21:24:27 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-04-19-21.01.html | 21:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-04-19-21.01.txt | 21:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-04-19-21.01.log.html | 21:24 |
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| koolhead17 | alekibango: how about this http://www.slideshare.net/zipcast | 21:25 |
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| alekibango | koolhead17: never seen | 21:26 |
| koolhead17 | alekibango: launched recently. after dimdim got sold to salesforce | 21:26 |
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| alekibango | koolhead17: imho audio feed from conf + irc + document presented (pdf or something) would be enough | 21:27 |
| alekibango | you do not need video if yu have the document | 21:28 |
| alekibango | (the presentation) | 21:28 |
| koolhead17 | yes | 21:28 |
| alekibango | its however very vital to hear | 21:28 |
| alekibango | and irc will allow us to ask questions | 21:28 |
| soren | The difficult part is not the software. | 21:28 |
| alekibango | which can be answered by people on irc or by speaker if neeed | 21:28 |
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| alekibango | soren: where do you see the hard part? | 21:29 |
| soren | Mumble, shoutcast or whatever proprietatary stuff yo uthrow at it will not make a difference if the microphones aren't up to the task. | 21:29 |
| alekibango | people? hardware? | 21:29 |
| alekibango | i think people are the biggest problem :) | 21:29 |
| soren | "Speaker"? There's no speaker. These are 50+ people discussions. | 21:29 |
| soren | Or 100 or 200 people. i don't know. | 21:29 |
| soren | It seems half the planet signed up for the summit. | 21:29 |
| soren | "A lot". | 21:29 |
| alekibango | ah... | 21:30 |
| koolhead17 | soren: :) | 21:30 |
| alekibango | i thought mic can be shared by people who talk... | 21:30 |
| alekibango | if not, its hard | 21:30 |
| * koolhead17 will be hoping to have voice and presentation t\hats it :P | 21:30 | |
| alekibango | btw mumble supports 200 people talking together on a channel | 21:31 |
| alekibango | it can be done with some work (moderator) | 21:31 |
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| alekibango | the same like moderated irc | 21:31 |
| NachoGomez | Hello there! Have the OpenStack meeting started? | 21:32 |
| soren | alekibango: Then you have the problem of equipping 200 people with microphones. | 21:32 |
| soren | That'll take the first 10 minutes of each session. | 21:32 |
| medberry | NachoGomez, over, ended. | 21:32 |
| soren | NachoGomez: And concluded, I'm afraid. | 21:32 |
| alekibango | soren: interesting problem lol | 21:33 |
| NachoGomez | Ohhh! Sorry I missed that! :( | 21:33 |
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| soren | alekibango: Again: Software is not the problem. At all. | 21:33 |
| alekibango | NachoGomez: congrats, i came near end, but you are winner | 21:33 |
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| soren | alekibango: Yes, you can hook up hundreds of people to mumble. That's not the hard part. Equipment (audio as well as network) is the hard part. | 21:34 |
| NachoGomez | :p | 21:34 |
| medberry | soren, can we start booking now for OpenStack Dev Summit E? :^) | 21:34 |
| soren | medberry: I'm not the person to talk to :) | 21:36 |
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| koolhead17 | soren: alekibango we should have a dry run before the conf for the same to check the feasibility :) | 21:36 |
| * koolhead17 don`t want to read only slides | 21:37 | |
| alekibango | it is possible to share desktop | 21:37 |
| alekibango | best would be NX | 21:37 |
| soren | I'm not against audio feeds. I'm just saying that it's not easy. If the person who wants to do it thinks it's easy, they're going to fail, because it isn't. | 21:37 |
| alekibango | do you think its possible to install NX on the machine? | 21:38 |
| soren | I can't remember ever having wanted to share desktops at these sorts of events. | 21:38 |
| alekibango | if one computer will be used for presentation | 21:38 |
| alekibango | it should be easy to forward the desktop to network broadcaster | 21:39 |
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| alekibango | which could be anything really.. from vnc..to video stream | 21:39 |
| alekibango | ...vnc is not scaling well :) | 21:39 |
| alekibango | if this is multiuser talk... its hard to do | 21:40 |
| soren | Again: There's no speaker. It's not presentations. | 21:40 |
| soren | It's discussions. | 21:40 |
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| alekibango | sorry :) i still have the idea sticked in head | 21:40 |
| alekibango | i never was at uds | 21:42 |
| alekibango | sounds like creative chaos lol :) | 21:42 |
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| alekibango | thanks for explanation soren | 21:43 |
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| koolhead17 | okey guys it 3 am for me. Am sure some solution will be there for sure :) | 21:44 |
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