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| joshuamckenty | Is there a draft of the new project process that I should review again before we start? | 19:57 |
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| jbryce | http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Proposed/NewProjectProcess | 19:59 |
| joshuamckenty | danke | 20:00 |
| joshuamckenty | time? | 20:00 |
| jbryce | #startmeeting | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 10 20:01:02 2011 UTC. The chair is jbryce. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 20:01 |
| jbryce | hello! who all is here? | 20:01 |
| joshuamckenty | hi | 20:01 |
| joshuamckenty | what's the date for the next election? | 20:02 |
| dendrobates | o/ | 20:02 |
| jbryce | http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/PPB - agenda is on this page | 20:02 |
| joshuamckenty | and is the PPB member list up to date? | 20:02 |
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| jbryce | http://www.openstack.org/blog/2011/03/openstack-governance-nominations-and-election-process/ - march 21st | 20:03 |
| dendrobates | joshuamckenty: This will be my last meeting | 20:03 |
| joshuamckenty | gotcha | 20:03 |
| joshuamckenty | and there are no TPL members yet, right? | 20:03 |
| joshuamckenty | (Technical Project Lead) | 20:03 |
| jbryce | joshuamckenty: correct | 20:04 |
| joshuamckenty | #idea can we suggest new projects post a manifesto similar to the redis manifesto? | 20:04 |
| joshuamckenty | #link http://antirez.com/post/redis-manifesto.html | 20:05 |
| joshuamckenty | As an extension of item #3.4 | 20:05 |
| dendrobates | and point 2 needs to be specific. What does gather community feedback mean? | 20:06 |
| jbryce | good q | 20:07 |
| jbryce | i'm thinking along the lines of what eday has been doing with burrow | 20:07 |
| dendrobates | alsoin 3.4, the use of 'enhance value' does not sound right. | 20:08 |
| joshuamckenty | We need a time span for how often (if at all) a project can resubmit for inclusion | 20:08 |
| jbryce | do you think the eday type mailing list/wiki process for community feedback works? | 20:09 |
| jbryce | joshuamckenty: good point. any suggestions? | 20:09 |
| dendrobates | yes | 20:09 |
| jbryce | 6 months? | 20:09 |
| joshuamckenty | 6 months? | 20:09 |
| joshuamckenty | yeah | 20:09 |
| jesse_ | perhaps 3 months instead? | 20:09 |
| joshuamckenty | also for migration from incubation, I would suggest we review those at the design summits | 20:09 |
| dendrobates | perhaps once per release | 20:09 |
| joshuamckenty | well, release cycle is per project as well | 20:10 |
| joshuamckenty | PPB review should be consistent, I think once every 3 months is reasonable / generous | 20:10 |
| jbryce | ok | 20:11 |
| jesse_ | joshuamckenty: I like the idea that it is presented at summits | 20:11 |
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| jbryce | so a project that is not accepted must wait 3 months before resubmission | 20:11 |
| anotherjesse | jbryce: seems reasonable - since not being accepted just means it isn't part of core - it can still integrate deeply | 20:11 |
| jbryce | projects in incubation will be reviewed at design summits | 20:11 |
| jbryce | should all projects be reviewed at design summits? | 20:12 |
| joshuamckenty | I think that's a PPB scheduling question | 20:12 |
| dendrobates | reviewed by whom? | 20:12 |
| joshuamckenty | seems like a good time, but I don't want to turn it into a giant roundtable, it'll become a popularity debate | 20:12 |
| joshuamckenty | PPB review, step 4 | 20:13 |
| dendrobates | This should not require RW meetings IMHO | 20:13 |
| joshuamckenty | Is there a process for a project to *leave* OpenStack? | 20:14 |
| joshuamckenty | Just a weird question | 20:14 |
| dendrobates | I think that would be by forking it | 20:14 |
| joshuamckenty | Well, it still remains in OpenStack as well, technically, at that point. | 20:15 |
| dendrobates | the name does at least | 20:15 |
| dendrobates | that is the real question | 20:15 |
| dendrobates | do we own the name of an existing project after they join | 20:15 |
| joshuamckenty | Yeah, that's not covered by this process | 20:15 |
| joshuamckenty | The name is owned (by default) by the project founders, correct? Unless someone files trademark | 20:16 |
| joshuamckenty | e.g., who own's 'nova'? | 20:16 |
| dendrobates | I think it is an important question | 20:16 |
| joshuamckenty | I know who owns @novacc and novacc.com, and it's not OpenStack | 20:16 |
| joshuamckenty | proposals? | 20:17 |
| anotherjesse | joshuamckenty: that is me | 20:17 |
| anotherjesse | ;) | 20:17 |
| anotherjesse | Also it is called OpenStack Compute from the project perspective | 20:17 |
| dendrobates | I think we need a process for a project to leave and take its name with it. | 20:17 |
| joshuamckenty | I still have @novacc passwords, buddy ;) | 20:18 |
| anotherjesse | perhaps we talk about naming separately? | 20:18 |
| joshuamckenty | Well, I think maybe the OpenStack name for the project should be distinct | 20:18 |
| joshuamckenty | k, separate agenda item? | 20:18 |
| anotherjesse | ya, burrow might become openstack queue if accepted | 20:18 |
| jbryce | yes | 20:18 |
| jbryce | #todo start discussion around naming and transitions out of openstack for projects | 20:18 |
| joshuamckenty | jbyrce, is there a charter doc that would need to be signed by the project | 20:19 |
| joshuamckenty | e.g., like the code of conduct doc for members | 20:19 |
| jbryce | there is not...that's one of the things i was thinking about as i was putting together the process | 20:19 |
| jbryce | we know how we are running nova/swift/compute but we haven't actually codified it anywhere as a coherent set of openstack development processes | 20:20 |
| joshuamckenty | there was the original HACKING.txt file | 20:20 |
| jbryce | which things are required, which are optional - launchpad, bzr, jenkins, release cycles - those kinds of things | 20:21 |
| joshuamckenty | I think we can codify that as we go, minimum PEP8 numbers, minimum test coverage, etc. | 20:21 |
| jbryce | the other question that was raised is how does a project split into 2, like pulling volumes and networking out of nova | 20:21 |
| joshuamckenty | same criteria applies, right - size of dev team, available technical lead, etc. | 20:22 |
| joshuamckenty | Probably a vote from the existing core team on the split? | 20:22 |
| jbryce | i made updates to the wiki to try to address the points you all raised (except anything about the design summit) | 20:22 |
| jbryce | who initiates? | 20:23 |
| jbryce | the existing core team votes to split and the ppb ratifies? | 20:23 |
| johnpur | if a project splits, is there an election for PTL? does this add a seat to the PPB? | 20:23 |
| jbryce | if it becomes a full project, it would add a seat to the ppb | 20:24 |
| joshuamckenty | I think core team votes, and PPB ratifies, yes | 20:24 |
| joshuamckenty | And probably the old core team votes for PTL of new project? | 20:24 |
| joshuamckenty | oh, and initial core team should be seeded | 20:25 |
| joshuamckenty | from previous core team | 20:25 |
| johnpur | agree with Josh | 20:25 |
| joshuamckenty | maybe just a free pass for those core team members who want to sign on to the new project? | 20:25 |
| jbryce | makes sense to me | 20:26 |
| joshuamckenty | Anything else on this proposal? | 20:26 |
| jbryce | #todo document proposed mechanism for splitting existing project into new projects | 20:26 |
| joshuamckenty | Or should we +1 it? | 20:26 |
| jbryce | i don't want to vote on it with the majority missing... | 20:27 |
| jbryce | i'll send it out for a mailing list vote after the meeting | 20:27 |
| joshuamckenty | ah, right | 20:27 |
| jbryce | did all of you agree with ewan's thoughts on the standards body? | 20:28 |
| jbryce | that it should basically be company specific with no official openstack community sanction? | 20:28 |
| joshuamckenty | yeah, with the exception of the OCC | 20:28 |
| anotherjesse | yeah, kinda like how we can talk about what we want to do for nasa, but we can't talk on behalf of nasa | 20:29 |
| joshuamckenty | just because they have an awesome testbed of hardware that I think we should use as a community resource for CI | 20:29 |
| anotherjesse | well, we could still do the same thing with OCC | 20:29 |
| anotherjesse | but have a more involvement with multiple parties | 20:30 |
| anotherjesse | whether it be rackspace or citrix or ... | 20:30 |
| jbryce | i agree with anotherjesse | 20:30 |
| joshuamckenty | as long as the CI environment ends up available with incubated projects, I'm happy with that | 20:30 |
| jbryce | ok | 20:30 |
| joshuamckenty | /s/with/for/ | 20:31 |
| anotherjesse | ;) | 20:31 |
| jbryce | those were the two things i wanted to hit on | 20:31 |
| jbryce | do you all have anything else you want to discuss? | 20:31 |
| joshuamckenty | election process | 20:31 |
| anotherjesse | jbryce: we might want to link to the project page from the official site | 20:32 |
| anotherjesse | even if just the wiki page | 20:32 |
| jbryce | definitely | 20:32 |
| joshuamckenty | just want to make sure the announcement of the election results is smoother than last time | 20:32 |
| joshuamckenty | it's going to be heavily covered by media, I don't want any more FUD | 20:32 |
| dendrobates | and that the results are immediately available | 20:32 |
| joshuamckenty | yeah, that was the part I was pointing out | 20:32 |
| jbryce | yep | 20:32 |
| jbryce | i'm pretty sure everyone is on board with that | 20:33 |
| joshuamckenty | are you coordinating the election? | 20:33 |
| jbryce | stephen spector is, but i've talked to him about it | 20:33 |
| joshuamckenty | can you be available on IRC during that process, so there's a single POC for the PPB? | 20:33 |
| dendrobates | ttx is telling SS how to do it correctly | 20:33 |
| * joshuamckenty doesn't understand ttx or SS | 20:34 | |
| joshuamckenty | oh, nm | 20:34 |
| joshuamckenty | stephen spector and thierry | 20:34 |
| jbryce | dendrobates: not sure they actually have that down yet | 20:34 |
| dendrobates | :) sorry | 20:34 |
| jbryce | civs needs email addresses and most launchpad people don't have their email addresses available | 20:34 |
| jbryce | i know that's one thing they're still trying to work through | 20:35 |
| joshuamckenty | jbryce: a last count on which seats are up for election? | 20:35 |
| jbryce | that was the number one problem last time around too | 20:35 |
| jbryce | 2 general seats (chuck's seat is up for election + 1 new seat) as well as 1 PTL seat each for nova, swift and glance | 20:35 |
| jbryce | dendrobates: any ideas on how to get the right contact info for the elections? | 20:37 |
| dendrobates | jbryce: we should talk to the launchpad team | 20:37 |
| dendrobates | ubuntu uses the same site and manages somehow | 20:37 |
| dendrobates | ttx can talk to them for you | 20:38 |
| jbryce | ok | 20:38 |
| joshuamckenty | k, I'm good | 20:38 |
| jbryce | anything else from anyone? | 20:38 |
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| soren | Sorry I'm late. :( | 20:39 |
| joshuamckenty | gotta bounce, thanks jbryce | 20:39 |
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| dendrobates | bye all | 20:39 |
| jbryce | hi soren! we didn't vote on anything but we did discuss quite a bit | 20:39 |
| soren | I'll read the scroll back. | 20:40 |
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| soren | Oh, well. | 20:40 |
| soren | :( | 20:40 |
| jbryce | bye rick | 20:40 |
| jbryce | #endmeeting | 20:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 10 20:40:27 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-03-10-20.01.html | 20:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-03-10-20.01.txt | 20:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-03-10-20.01.log.html | 20:40 |
| jbryce | soren: i'll send out an email thread to vote on the new project process proposal | 20:40 |
| jbryce | we also talked about a process for splitting an existing project | 20:41 |
| jbryce | if you've got any feedback, please let me know | 20:41 |
| soren | I will. | 20:43 |
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| ewanmellor | o/ | 21:01 |
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