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| dendrobates | o/ | 20:59 |
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| jbryce | howdy | 21:00 |
| jbryce | not sure we're going to have enough to do it today | 21:00 |
| dendrobates | np | 21:00 |
| jbryce | we can give everybody a few minutes | 21:01 |
| jbryce | did you get a chance to look at the temporary release proposal in the wiki? | 21:01 |
| dendrobates | no, I didn't. Looking now | 21:03 |
| jbryce | just wanted to make sure i captured everything correctly | 21:04 |
| dendrobates | where is it? | 21:05 |
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| jbryce | http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Approved/StopgapPointReleases | 21:05 |
| jbryce | Interrante: hey, mark! we're waiting to see if we're going to have enough show up today--i had a couple say they would be unavailable | 21:06 |
| vishy | o/ | 21:06 |
| Interrante | Ok. Makes sense | 21:06 |
| vishy | jesse is trying to connnect | 21:07 |
| vishy | :) | 21:07 |
| jbryce | cool | 21:07 |
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| anotherjesse | `/msg nickserv identify another1 | 21:09 |
| vishy | lol | 21:09 |
| anotherjesse | omg | 21:09 |
| dendrobates | happens to the best of us :) | 21:10 |
| jbryce | ha | 21:10 |
| jbryce | #startmeeting | 21:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 24 21:10:44 2011 UTC. The chair is jbryce. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:10 |
| jbryce | agenda located at http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/POC | 21:11 |
| jbryce | #topic Google Summer of Code | 21:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Google Summer of Code" | 21:11 | |
| vishy | I liked termie's suggestion, which was to skip GSoC this year | 21:12 |
| jbryce | #info Ewan wanted us to discuss participation (or non-participation) in GSOC | 21:12 |
| vishy | I don't think we have anyone with enough time to mentor atm | 21:12 |
| jbryce | i believe that was dendrobates preference as well | 21:12 |
| anotherjesse | I agree .. I'd love to participate | 21:12 |
| anotherjesse | but timing | 21:12 |
| dendrobates | yes, and that half-assing it would be detrimental | 21:13 |
| vishy | me too, i think it would be really fun but I am stretched too thin | 21:13 |
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| jbryce | ok. so it sounds like our recommendation is to skip it this year. | 21:13 |
| Interrante | Skip is my preference | 21:14 |
| dendrobates | +1 | 21:14 |
| anotherjesse | +1 | 21:14 |
| Interrante | +1 | 21:14 |
| vishy | +1 | 21:14 |
| jbryce | #agreed Skip participation (with our regrets) in Google Summer of Code this year due to lack of resources availability | 21:14 |
| tr3buchet | +1 | 21:15 |
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| jbryce | #topic Incubation/new project process | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Incubation/new project process" | 21:15 | |
| jbryce | we had a proposal a couple of weeks ago to open up the new project/incubation process to a more organic, community driven method | 21:16 |
| anotherjesse | jbryce: is there a summary of the proposal? | 21:16 |
| dendrobates | I think we need criteria for inclusion, at least | 21:16 |
| vishy | we can start with just a wiki page for related projects | 21:16 |
| anotherjesse | dendrobates: the projects naming can't be "openstack FOO" until done with incubation | 21:17 |
| vishy | then draft a incubation proposal process | 21:17 |
| anotherjesse | dendrobates: what criteria would you propose? | 21:17 |
| dendrobates | I mean what is the scope of openstack. What is appropriate to be part of openstack at all. | 21:18 |
| anotherjesse | dendrobates: something being in incubation needs to not imply that it is "part of openstack" | 21:18 |
| dendrobates | but it does imply that it could be | 21:18 |
| anotherjesse | it is more "affiliated with openstack" and a statement from the incubated project that they want to be part eventually | 21:18 |
| jbryce | vishy: anyone could do a wiki already. i think people who are looking at including their projects are looking for that incubation process | 21:18 |
| anotherjesse | but they have to earn it | 21:18 |
| anotherjesse | dendrobates: I kinda like the idea of how plugins happen to rails/django/... | 21:19 |
| jbryce | the other part we had discussed was a userscripts.org style directory that would give some indication about the quality/popularity of the projects | 21:19 |
| anotherjesse | having a large community and when projects get enough momentum/support they can be migrated into core | 21:20 |
| dendrobates | I don't think popularity is a good measure | 21:20 |
| Interrante | +1. On django style approach | 21:20 |
| dendrobates | I'm not familar with how django does it | 21:20 |
| anotherjesse | dendrobates: http://www.djangopackages.com/ | 21:21 |
| dendrobates | my other concern is about killing a healthy ecosystem by choosing one member to be official. | 21:22 |
| anotherjesse | dendrobates: right - that is my concern as well | 21:22 |
| anotherjesse | dendrobates: my hope is that our process is more of a community process | 21:23 |
| anotherjesse | where people decide that using X + Y + Core is a good deploy of openstack | 21:23 |
| dendrobates | anotherjesse: I agree, but I think we need to publish some guidelines | 21:23 |
| anotherjesse | dendrobates: part of the idea is that things need to live in the community for a period (3+ months?) and get community adoption before it is decided to be added to core | 21:24 |
| anotherjesse | we can separate the discussion about the requirements for incubation and becoming an official part of openstack | 21:25 |
| dendrobates | agreed | 21:25 |
| jbryce | incubation isn't really incubation then, though. it's just a directory of related software. | 21:25 |
| dendrobates | unless there is a path out, then it is incubation. | 21:26 |
| jbryce | things are incubated to make it to an end state. and it involves actions along the way | 21:27 |
| anotherjesse | the path exists, it is just not formal ;) | 21:27 |
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| dendrobates | maybe there are multiple paths, one to become part of core, and one to some other state, i.e. affiliated | 21:28 |
| anotherjesse | the idea of having a directory of related pojects | 21:29 |
| anotherjesse | is probably generally agreeable | 21:29 |
| anotherjesse | and in the end probably becoming part of openstack == POC vote? | 21:29 |
| jbryce | i don't think there's much to agreeing that we should have a listing of software related to openstack. anyone can do that--list in the wiki or otherwise. i think the difficult part is how do things move to being more officially "openstack" and that's what people want to have us give direction on | 21:30 |
| vishy | i don't know if there is much "discussion" possible here | 21:32 |
| vishy | someone needs to just come up with a basic proposal that we can straw-man against | 21:32 |
| anotherjesse | the idea that in the end it is a POC vote - agreeable? | 21:32 |
| anotherjesse | if so, we can figure out the middle :) | 21:33 |
| dendrobates | anotherjesse: yes | 21:33 |
| jbryce | haha | 21:33 |
| vishy | agreed | 21:33 |
| Interrante | Yes | 21:33 |
| jbryce | #agreed A directory would be a useful way of exposing related projects | 21:33 |
| jbryce | #agree to become an official openstack project requires a POC vote | 21:34 |
| jbryce | #todo determine the process and criteria by which the POC would evaluate and vote on a project for inclusion | 21:34 |
| jbryce | vishy: i did lay a strawman out back in october or whenever. do we want to start there or start from scratch? | 21:35 |
| vishy | we can start there | 21:35 |
| jbryce | ok...i'll send that around again and we can discuss how to improve | 21:36 |
| jbryce | #topic Standards body activity | 21:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Standards body activity" | 21:36 | |
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| anotherjesse | standards are good - let's go shopping! | 21:36 |
| anotherjesse | err, hard | 21:37 |
| dendrobates | I think the standards bodies are distractions | 21:37 |
| jbryce | http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Proposed/StandardsCommittee | 21:37 |
| jbryce | bret piatt has been talking with most of these standards bodies and put together a proposal to form a committee of people who wanted to participate in these on openstack's behalf (rather than him continuing to do it alone) | 21:38 |
| vishy | proposal seems fine | 21:38 |
| vishy | as long as i don't need to be on the comittee | 21:38 |
| vishy | :) | 21:38 |
| jbryce | haha | 21:38 |
| jbryce | i'd propose it be volunteer driven | 21:38 |
| anotherjesse | that's what speakphone + mute is for | 21:38 |
| anotherjesse | jbryce: ya | 21:39 |
| jbryce | ok | 21:40 |
| jbryce | we've lost mark--that puts us down to only 4 | 21:41 |
| anotherjesse | jbryce: we should probably require that the members don't speak on behalf of openstack | 21:41 |
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| vishy | my battery is toast | 21:41 |
| vishy | i'll look over jesse's shoulder | 21:41 |
| dendrobates | I think the goal should be to follow the stds and report back to the community, while advocating for openstack | 21:42 |
| anotherjesse | dendrobates: my only concern is that if it is any volunteer, they could mis-represent openstack | 21:43 |
| dendrobates | anotherjesse: I agree | 21:43 |
| jbryce | following and reporting back shouldn't present problems | 21:43 |
| dendrobates | and those organizations tend to be very political | 21:43 |
| anotherjesse | might be too corporate -- but we could have a statement on the website that "opinions from community members may not reflect those of openstack" | 21:44 |
| jbryce | what if there's something that it would be good for openstack to be represented (not mis-represented on) | 21:45 |
| dendrobates | well than what opinions do represent openstack? | 21:45 |
| jbryce | perhaps the committee chair should be approved by the POC and be responsible for laying out the official positions/opinions that the members are supposed to propagate? | 21:46 |
| dendrobates | since we all have different opinions I don't know what official openstack opinions are. | 21:47 |
| jbryce | haha | 21:47 |
| jbryce | ok. i'll toss this back to bret and see if he has a suggestion | 21:48 |
| anotherjesse | dendrobates: I think that is healthy | 21:48 |
| dendrobates | I think we need to avoid the appearance of openstack opinions == rackspace opinions | 21:48 |
| dendrobates | anotherjesse: me too | 21:48 |
| anotherjesse | dendrobates: just as long as an individual's opinion is not interpretted as the openstack standard | 21:48 |
| dendrobates | I don't want fox news style talking points | 21:48 |
| anotherjesse | heh | 21:48 |
| jbryce | #topic next meeting time | 21:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "next meeting time" | 21:49 | |
| dendrobates | same bat time, sams bat channel? | 21:50 |
| jbryce | we're missing several, so we'll probably move this to the mailing list, but i'm traveling next thursday. so we can go ahead and let someone else chair, move to a different day next week, or skip | 21:50 |
| anotherjesse | 13 days from now? (a wednesday) | 21:50 |
| Interrante | 13 good for me | 21:51 |
| anotherjesse | Mar 7th | 21:51 |
| anotherjesse | err, Mar 9th | 21:51 |
| jbryce | if we push that far, any reason not to just do it on thursday the 10th in our regular time? | 21:52 |
| dendrobates | nope, wfm | 21:52 |
| anotherjesse | 1pm PDT is hard for vish & I | 21:52 |
| anotherjesse | if we did it an hour earlier it would work better | 21:53 |
| anotherjesse | (vish & I have sprint planning at 1:30pm PDT) | 21:53 |
| dendrobates | probably better for ewan and soren too | 21:53 |
| jbryce | fine with me. i'll send a note out to the list | 21:53 |
| anotherjesse | jbryce: email about noon PDT thursday march 10th | 21:53 |
| anotherjesse | cool | 21:53 |
| Interrante | Good for me | 21:53 |
| jbryce | anyone have anything else? | 21:53 |
| anotherjesse | nope | 21:54 |
| jbryce | thanks for the time | 21:54 |
| jbryce | #endmeeting | 21:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 21:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 24 21:54:48 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-02-24-21.10.html | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-02-24-21.10.txt | 21:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-02-24-21.10.log.html | 21:54 |
| anotherjesse | FOOD! | 21:54 |
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