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| ttx | anyone alive ? | 21:00 |
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| dabo | o/ | 21:00 |
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| dendrobates | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | ok, not sure that's a quorum, but let's get started | 21:01 |
| ewanmellor | Alive and well | 21:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 15 21:01:37 2011 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| soren | o/ | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:01 |
| ttx | Welcome to our weekly OpenStack team meeting... | 21:01 |
| ttx | Today's agenda is at: | 21:01 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | 21:02 |
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| ttx | No actions from last week meeting | 21:02 |
| ttx | #topic Current release stage: Development | 21:02 |
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| ttx | We are now well into the development stage. | 21:02 |
| ttx | Merge proposals are starting to pile up, so -core people don't forget to spend some time on reviews | 21:02 |
| ttx | We now almost have the final Cactus plans up on http://wiki.openstack.org/releasestatus/ | 21:03 |
| ttx | (btw this page now displays branch links so you can easily look up work in progress) | 21:03 |
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| ttx | Note that these "plans" are for tracking purposes, it should never prevent you from coding, we can always catch up later. | 21:03 |
| ttx | I think Glance is complete, Nova is almost done, Swift is still todo | 21:03 |
| annegentle | ttx: woo for branch links | 21:03 |
| ttx | creiht: do you think we can get Swift plans done by next week ? | 21:04 |
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| ttx | annegentle: thanks. I had to fix Launchpad so that they would work. | 21:04 |
| johnpur | ttx: how are we tracking items for the stability goals? | 21:04 |
| dendrobates | right now we I don't think we are, but we need bp's for them | 21:04 |
| ttx | johnpur: stability is not really a feature... so it's more about having a testing effort to uncover the bugs then track bug fixing | 21:05 |
| * soren has no clue what to write in such a blueprint. | 21:05 | |
| dendrobates | it depends | 21:05 |
| dendrobates | some of what soren is doing is bug hunting | 21:05 |
| johnpur | we need to get this in a measurable form | 21:05 |
| justinsb | Do we have integration tests? That would work... | 21:05 |
| dendrobates | but Jay plans on doing some autoomated testing work and that can be a bp | 21:05 |
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| * soren has some automated testing going | 21:06 | |
| ttx | sometimes there is an area of improvement that can also make up a blueprint. For example "resilience to instance failure" | 21:06 |
| dendrobates | soren: that all needs bp's then | 21:06 |
| dendrobates | at least so you and jaypipes don;t do the samer work | 21:06 |
| ttx | johnpur: so you have some efforts that can be tracked as BPs, for the rest it's about measuring progress in bug fixing | 21:06 |
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| johnpur | who should own the whole "stability/resiliancy/testing/qa" effort? | 21:07 |
| soren | Hmm... Yeah. | 21:07 |
| johnpur | we need good descriptions of the objectives and plans to meet them | 21:07 |
| johnpur | or else we will be no better than we have been in the past | 21:07 |
| soren | Someone who has access to a bunch of hardware would be a good person to be on top of this. | 21:07 |
| johnpur | rackspace is putting up 188 hosts | 21:08 |
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| soren | That's what I hear. I just don't think they'll turn up on my doorstep :) | 21:08 |
| johnpur | lol | 21:08 |
| dprince | Are these test we plan on running on every build? | 21:08 |
| soren | Or so I hope. | 21:08 |
| johnpur | jaypipes: what is your plan? | 21:09 |
| ttx | johnpur: so far it's been a shared effort, but I understand the need for a vision on this, with objectives and measurable results | 21:09 |
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| ttx | johnpur: maybe we can start a public discussion on the vision part, see if some natural leader emerges for this ? | 21:10 |
| johnpur | ttx: sounds like a good idea | 21:11 |
| dendrobates | My opinion is that jaypipes should lead the efforts | 21:11 |
| dendrobates | he seems to be missing today | 21:11 |
| johnpur | jaypipes is doing some of this now | 21:11 |
| ttx | #action ttx and johnpur to ensure the stability goals are defined and properly tracked | 21:11 |
| ttx | johnpur: i'll be in touch with you about it. | 21:11 |
| johnpur | awesome! | 21:12 |
| ttx | dendrobates: you wanted to talk about some of the Nova blueprints ? | 21:12 |
| dendrobates | sure | 21:12 |
| ttx | johnpur: I probably can't lead it, but I can definitely facilitate it. | 21:12 |
| dendrobates | everything has been reviewed and approved unless you have heard from me | 21:12 |
| dendrobates | with the exception of a few bps that I have questions about | 21:13 |
| dendrobates | or that seem like duplicate efforts | 21:13 |
| ewanmellor | dendrobates: I see the "No spec link" warning triangle on http://wiki.openstack.org/releasestatus/. Does this mean that you aren't approving blueprints if they don't have a spec link? | 21:13 |
| dendrobates | in general that is the case. I made at least one exception | 21:13 |
| dendrobates | where the work was an extension of an existing feature | 21:14 |
| ewanmellor | I note that xenapi-vlan-network-manager has a lot of text in the whiteboard, rather than a separate spec page. | 21:14 |
| dendrobates | ewanmellor: there were a couple like that, IMHO that is equivalent | 21:15 |
| jaypipes | johnpur, dendrobates: sorry, stepped away for a sec. | 21:15 |
| johnpur | pvo: or other RAX cloud guys... looking at the 51 BP's, does this encompass everything RAX needs to start preparing to transition to Nova? | 21:16 |
| ttx | ewanmellor, dendrobates: once the spec is approved, the warning goes away. | 21:16 |
| dendrobates | also some specs are not set 'pending approval' | 21:16 |
| dendrobates | so I assumed those are not ready. | 21:16 |
| troytoma_ | johnpur: that is everything we know about | 21:17 |
| ewanmellor | dendrobates: Oh, makes sense. I shall chase ours in the morning then. | 21:17 |
| dendrobates | I also set one bp back to drafting for more info | 21:17 |
| johnpur | trotoma_: thx! | 21:17 |
| ttx | dendrobates: some of those "non-pending-approval" already have branches proposed | 21:17 |
| ttx | so it's probably an oversight | 21:17 |
| jaypipes | re: testing, I've had a few conversations with termie, but nothing solid yet. haven't had a chance to focus on the CI testing yet, sorry. | 21:17 |
| dendrobates | ttx: ok, I'll look at them asap | 21:17 |
| * ttx votes to duplicate jaypipes | 21:18 | |
| dendrobates | btw, it's awesome that so many people are attaching branches to their bps | 21:18 |
| johnpur | dendrobates: are we targeting to diablo now? | 21:18 |
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| dendrobates | johnpur: not yet, but I think we need to get that started asap | 21:18 |
| johnpur | me too... | 21:19 |
| ttx | #action ttx to create the diablo series | 21:19 |
| ttx | ok, anything more on the cactus plans front ? | 21:19 |
| dendrobates | not from me. | 21:19 |
| ttx | ok, moving on... | 21:19 |
| ttx | #topic Nova 2011.1.1 | 21:20 |
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| ttx | For those who missed last week meeting, we'll have a 2011.1.1 update for Nova Bexar so that we include missing files in the released tarballs (bugs 714678 and 714679). | 21:20 |
| ttx | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/2011.1.1 | 21:20 |
| ttx | That said we have a number of other bugfixes that are candidates for inclusion in 2011.1.1 | 21:20 |
| ttx | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=bexar-post-release | 21:20 |
| ttx | From bug comments I've identified two candidates, anything else you want to be considered ? | 21:20 |
| ttx | I'd like us to discuss which should be included. I'd rather have a limited list of showstopper fixes, so that we limit the risk of regression | 21:21 |
| ttx | Also I'd like the fixes to be committed in Cactus before they are shipped in 2011.1.1, so the more we add the more we delay 2011.1.1 | 21:21 |
| ewanmellor | The eventlet ones that Soren worked on looked serious. | 21:21 |
| ewanmellor | And easy to fix | 21:21 |
| dendrobates | +1 on that | 21:22 |
| ttx | soren do you think we should ship the fix for that one ? | 21:22 |
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| ewanmellor | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/718390 | 21:22 |
| soren | Jm... | 21:22 |
| soren | Hm.. | 21:22 |
| soren | I'm not sure. | 21:22 |
| ewanmellor | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/716427 | 21:23 |
| soren | It depends on a patched eventlet. | 21:23 |
| ewanmellor | Those two are the ones I was thinking of. | 21:23 |
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| soren | The RPC one, sure. | 21:23 |
| * ttx adds tags to both so that we discuss them | 21:23 | |
| soren | The eventlet one... | 21:23 |
| jaypipes | sorry guys, in a few conversations now... | 21:24 |
| soren | No, I don't think I want that one backported. | 21:24 |
| ttx | Candidate list updated at https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=bexar-post-release | 21:24 |
| soren | It requires a version of eventlet that is not only different than the one required by what we released with bexar, but is not even available from upstream yet. | 21:24 |
| ttx | let's go through them one by one | 21:24 |
| soren | Not even in their VCS. | 21:24 |
| soren | Without that part, Nova won't work at all. | 21:24 |
| ttx | bug 718390 | 21:25 |
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| soren | No uvirtbot? | 21:25 |
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| soren | bug 718390 | 21:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 718390 in nova "Filedescriptor leak and zombie processes" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718390 | 21:25 |
| soren | There we go. | 21:25 |
| ttx | soren: so you -1 that one ? | 21:25 |
| soren | Yes. | 21:25 |
| dendrobates | I think that takes it out of the running | 21:26 |
| ttx | bug 713430 | 21:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 713430 in nova "Restart of nova-volume with volumes in wrong state: global name 'volume_ref' is not defined" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/713430 | 21:26 |
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| ttx | +1 | 21:26 |
| soren | +1 for sure | 21:26 |
| ttx | vishy left with the split but I know he wanted that one in | 21:27 |
| Ryan_Lane | can bug 714889 also be added for bexar-post-release? | 21:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 714889 in nova "GetConsoleOutput in EC2 api requires InstanceId.1, when it should use InstanceId" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/714889 | 21:27 |
| ttx | Ryan_Lane: adding to the list for consideration | 21:27 |
| Ryan_Lane | thanks | 21:27 |
| ttx | done | 21:28 |
| ttx | bug 718675 | 21:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 718675 in nova "Can't create db with PostgreSQL backend" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718675 | 21:28 |
| ttx | +0 | 21:28 |
| ttx | jaypipes: you proposed this one ? | 21:28 |
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| dendrobates | -1 | 21:29 |
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| dendrobates | there is a workaround, don't use postgres | 21:29 |
| soren | heh | 21:29 |
| ttx | bug 714889 | 21:29 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 714889 in nova "GetConsoleOutput in EC2 api requires InstanceId.1, when it should use InstanceId" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/714889 | 21:29 |
| soren | Again? | 21:30 |
| soren | Oh. | 21:30 |
| soren | Heh | 21:30 |
| ttx | This one sounds rather limited to me, hardly a showstopper ? | 21:30 |
| ttx | Ryan_Lane: rationale for inclusion ? | 21:30 |
| Ryan_Lane | I can't pull console output in my web interface, and i'd like to not have to patch :) | 21:31 |
| dendrobates | ttx: however the fix is not risky | 21:31 |
| soren | Yeah, it looks pretty safe to me. | 21:31 |
| ttx | dendrobates: then +1 it :) | 21:32 |
| dendrobates | +1 it affects Ryan and is trivial | 21:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | thanks | 21:32 |
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| ttx | bug 716427 | 21:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 716427 in nova "RPC concurrency problem" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716427 | 21:32 |
| dendrobates | +1 | 21:32 |
| ttx | I think we +1d it in previous discussion | 21:32 |
| johnpur | agree +1 | 21:33 |
| ttx | OK, I'll summarize the results and post it to ML for people that missed the meeting | 21:33 |
| jaypipes | ttx: no, not that I know of. | 21:33 |
| ttx | #action ttx to target bugs to 2011.1.1 and post proposed list of fixes for last-minute comments | 21:34 |
| ttx | jaypipes: ISTR you commented in that direction on the BMP | 21:34 |
| soren | What's the plan for testing this point release? | 21:34 |
| johnpur | ttx: once we release 2011.1.1 do we start discussing 1.2? | 21:34 |
| ttx | johnpur: I don't think so. | 21:34 |
| soren | I sure hope we won't do a 1.2. | 21:34 |
| johnpur | we won't know if we don't look at the bugs? | 21:35 |
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| ttx | johnpur: did the POC rule a point release policy yet ? | 21:35 |
| johnpur | ttx: good q for any of the poc members on today? | 21:36 |
| soren | johnpur: I don't think we'd even be evaluating this list of bugs if it hadn't been for the one about a bunch of stuff missing from the tarball. | 21:36 |
| ttx | Last time I asked the decision was that Nova was too fast-moving to warrant point releases | 21:36 |
| ttx | soren: exactlty | 21:36 |
| johnpur | soren: the question is whether we should | 21:36 |
| ttx | johnpur: I'd say, not for Bexar, but we need the policy decided before we release Cactus | 21:36 |
| dendrobates | I like the way kvm did it. | 21:37 |
| soren | The way I see it, the bugs would have to be rather devastating to warrant a fresh tarball. | 21:37 |
| johnpur | gets back to the stability questions, are we keeping trunk runnable now? | 21:37 |
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| dendrobates | they let the distros handle backporting bugs until things slowed down | 21:37 |
| soren | If/when we decide to do a point release to address the devastating bug, we can include a few other simple/important fixes. | 21:37 |
| ewanmellor | The POC has another meeting this Thursday. Last week's overran. | 21:37 |
| soren | ...but I don't think we should plan to do one. | 21:37 |
| ttx | let's defer to the POC on that question. | 21:38 |
| ttx | #action POC to rule on point release policy for the different projects | 21:38 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:39 |
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| Ryan_Lane | siebrand from translate wiki heard the openstack talk at fosdem and is really excited about the project (and wikimedia's involvement), and was wondering if you guys would like translation support through translate wiki. | 21:39 |
| ewanmellor | POC wanted to go back to Ubuntu et al and see if that was something that they were happy with doing (doing our point-release dirty work for us) | 21:39 |
| Ryan_Lane | translate wiki does localization for mediawiki, and a number of other projects, and the translations are done by an army of volunteers | 21:40 |
| Ryan_Lane | they support a couple hundred languages well | 21:40 |
| berendt | how is the status about the rewrite/extension of nova-manage | 21:40 |
| Ryan_Lane | (mediawiki has at least some support for over 300 languages, for instance) | 21:40 |
| berendt | how is the status about adding/extending schedulers | 21:40 |
| dendrobates | Ryan_Lane: for docs, not code right? | 21:40 |
| Ryan_Lane | code | 21:40 |
| dendrobates | ah | 21:41 |
| Ryan_Lane | he's also fairly good at helping with ways to better support localization in code | 21:41 |
| ttx | Ryan_Lane: we used Rosetta so far with surprisingly good results, and jaypipes/mtaylor just finalized automated that, I'd hate to change translation communities now :) | 21:42 |
| berendt | how is the status about replacing rabbitmq with something other (i forgot with what, somebody noted a python-framework) | 21:42 |
| soren | I doubt we'll replace rabbit. | 21:42 |
| Ryan_Lane | ok. will let him know :) | 21:42 |
| dendrobates | but we'll keep it in mind if we have problems and we might need document and wiki translations | 21:42 |
| berendt | how is the status about supporting more databases, oracle for example | 21:42 |
| soren | berendt: We support whatever sqlalchemy supports. | 21:43 |
| ttx | Note that the live migration branch is back for review, so please give it a look. | 21:43 |
| soren | berendt: (that includes Oracle) | 21:43 |
| ttx | Let's try not to repeat the same mistakes :) | 21:43 |
| dendrobates | soren: but that does not mean that is is tested | 21:43 |
| soren | dendrobates: Indeed. | 21:44 |
| johnpur | ttx: please! Let's jump on this early. | 21:44 |
| ttx | termie: ^ | 21:44 |
| berendt | dendrobates: at the moment only MySQL is tested, right? | 21:44 |
| ttx | dendrobates: as was pretty apparent when someone tried to use Bexar with postgres | 21:44 |
| ttx | berendt: and sqlite. | 21:45 |
| berendt | ttx: I don't think that sqlite is a option for a productive environment.. | 21:45 |
| soren | Not at all. | 21:45 |
| dendrobates | berendt: you might be surprised | 21:45 |
| johnpur | swift uses sqlite extensively | 21:46 |
| ttx | soren: about the plan for testing the point release, I thought we could do SRU-like test cases to validate that the bug is fixed | 21:46 |
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| berendt | but status to nova-manage and the scheduler is more important to me at the moment | 21:46 |
| ttx | soren: using some 2011.1.1~rc | 21:47 |
| soren | ttx: That *might* work. | 21:48 |
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| johnpur | ttx: can we not use the tilde? | 21:48 |
| soren | ttx: I'm just worried about regressions. These are not discrete packages. | 21:48 |
| ttx | johnpur: that was a metaphoric tilde. | 21:49 |
| johnpur | lol, I just don't want a repeat of tilde-gate! | 21:49 |
| ttx | soren: I'll give it a thought. Will be difficult to gather lots of resources on testing that post-release | 21:50 |
| soren | ttx: Yes, it will. | 21:50 |
| ttx | so i'd rather be conservative in what we accept to land | 21:50 |
| soren | That's part of my reservation about point releases. | 21:51 |
| ttx | ok, time to wrap up, let's continue the open discussion on #openstack if needed | 21:52 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 15 21:52:21 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-02-15-21.01.html | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-02-15-21.01.txt | 21:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-02-15-21.01.log.html | 21:52 |
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| ttx | Thanks everyone | 21:52 |
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