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| whoami-rajat | #startmeeting cinder | 14:00 |
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| opendevmeet | Meeting started Wed Jan 10 14:00:08 2024 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is whoami-rajat. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 14:00 |
| whoami-rajat | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| jayaanand | hi | 14:00 |
| simondodsley | o/ | 14:00 |
| crohmann | hey everyone! | 14:00 |
| msaravan | Hi | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
| akawai | o/ | 14:00 |
| Saikumar | o/ | 14:01 |
| gireesh | hi | 14:01 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/cinder-caracal-meetings | 14:01 |
| whoami-rajat | hello everyone | 14:02 |
| whoami-rajat | Happy new year to everyone who just came back from the break! | 14:03 |
| whoami-rajat | #topic announcements | 14:03 |
| whoami-rajat | Openstack "D" Release Voting | 14:03 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/N7OCEHENUZNMKKFOBBYRSJXEDJVJMGXI/ | 14:04 |
| whoami-rajat | the last day for voting is friday | 14:04 |
| whoami-rajat | we have 3 options | 14:04 |
| whoami-rajat | Dalmatian | 14:04 |
| whoami-rajat | Daikon | 14:04 |
| whoami-rajat | Dijon | 14:04 |
| simondodsley | shame they couldn't come up with some wild animals to follow the trend. Not the best choices to pick from. | 14:04 |
| sp-bmilanov | o/ | 14:04 |
| whoami-rajat | last i checked, Daikon was winning | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | simondodsley: they're all foods (depending on where you live) | 14:05 |
| simondodsley | i see that - but it bucks the last 3 names trend - if there was one | 14:05 |
| simondodsley | i guess E will be Eggplant then... | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | you've got my vote! | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | Jeremy will be looking forward to the Fungi release | 14:07 |
| simondodsley | lol | 14:07 |
| whoami-rajat | :D | 14:07 |
| whoami-rajat | Deadline: January 12, 2024, at 20:00 UTC. | 14:07 |
| whoami-rajat | make sure to vote! | 14:08 |
| whoami-rajat | next, Team Signup for April 2024 PTG | 14:08 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/MIK6GXZXUFS5M3UOVILLDNDGURGH7UQV/ | 14:08 |
| whoami-rajat | the next PTG is planned to be conducted on the following dates: April 8-12, 2024 | 14:09 |
| whoami-rajat | I've Signed up the Cinder team for PTG, which obviously we will be attending | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | \o/ | 14:10 |
| simondodsley | i can only do the first 3 days (if you care) | 14:10 |
| whoami-rajat | oh | 14:11 |
| whoami-rajat | so Cinder PTG (based on the past vPTG schedule) starts on the 2nd day (April 9 - April 12) | 14:11 |
| whoami-rajat | we can arrange your topics on the initial days, just mention the same against the topic | 14:11 |
| whoami-rajat | but that will be after i start planning for next PTG | 14:11 |
| whoami-rajat | next, Image Encryption | 14:12 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/ELMPPMIBGP4XW4YENHPZKQ57MJZVOAIE/ | 14:12 |
| whoami-rajat | this has been an ongoing effort for a long time | 14:12 |
| whoami-rajat | finally Josephine (and team) tested it with ceph backend | 14:13 |
| whoami-rajat | and wanted feedback on the patches and testing from cinder and glance teams | 14:13 |
| whoami-rajat | next, Interesting discussion on active/inactive projects | 14:14 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/YQILC7T246W2APPRAO24W3DWNUO4T6PU/ | 14:14 |
| whoami-rajat | this is unrelated to cinder but related to the discussion involved regarding an inactive project -- monasca here | 14:14 |
| whoami-rajat | if you are interested, you can add your opinions to the ML since i think Jay wanted feedback from the community, hence the mail | 14:15 |
| whoami-rajat | next, Caracal-2 Milestone | 14:16 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/6XXLHELC3NNW2AI3ILM2RIKTAAICDJP2/ | 14:16 |
| whoami-rajat | We don't observe any deadlines since we shifted the driver merge deadline to 26th Jan (because of year end break) | 14:16 |
| whoami-rajat | but i will come back to the driver discussion later as a topic | 14:16 |
| whoami-rajat | and that's all for announcements | 14:16 |
| whoami-rajat | anyone has anything else to announce? | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | reminder about the foundation election/bylaws changes | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | look for email with subject: "OpenInfra Foundation 2024 Individual Director Election and Bylaws Amendments" | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | contains an individualized link so you can vote | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | "Voting will close this Friday, January 12th, 2024 at 11:00am CST/1700 UTC. If you have any questions, please contact secretary@openinfra.dev" | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | (that's all) | 14:18 |
| whoami-rajat | thanks rosmaita , i think i forgot that since i was just looking at the ML archive for announcements | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | np | 14:20 |
| whoami-rajat | okay, let's move to topics | 14:20 |
| whoami-rajat | #topic Zuul Depends-On syntax | 14:20 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, that's you | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | this is a quick one | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | as we all know, if you have a patch that depends on a change in a different code repo, you can add "Depends-on" in your commit message, and zuul will test your change with that other patch also applied | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | you see 2 ways of people doing this: | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | 1 - Depends-on: Idf4d79527e1f03cec754ad708d069b2905b90d3f | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | 2 - Depends-on: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/os-brick/+/895195 | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | both work, but i was using #2 recently and was corrected by an infra team member that #1 is preferred | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | and this email explains why: | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | https://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-January/126535.html | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | just for awareness | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | (that's all) | 14:23 |
| simondodsley | i think you got it the wrong way around | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | except that i have that backwards! | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | :P | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | yes, the URL version is preferred | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | ok, so now that everyone is completely confused, i will shut up | 14:24 |
| whoami-rajat | I've been using the URLs for a long time, maybe someone corrected me long ago on this | 14:25 |
| whoami-rajat | but thanks for the awareness rosmaita | 14:25 |
| whoami-rajat | if that was all for this topic, we can move to the next one | 14:25 |
| whoami-rajat | #topic Regarding the dedicated backup status field discussed last week | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | that's all | 14:25 |
| whoami-rajat | crohmann, that's you | 14:26 |
| whoami-rajat | sorry i moved too fast | 14:26 |
| crohmann | jep. Thanks for talking about this last week. I just wanted to know if you are interested in this change at all and if someone would implement this for the "D" release. | 14:27 |
| whoami-rajat | reading the description i think my comment from last week was misunderstood | 14:27 |
| whoami-rajat | what i meant was, no one reproposed it meaning no one is planning to work on it | 14:27 |
| crohmann | So technically a reproposal means "I plan on working on this for the next cycle" ? | 14:28 |
| whoami-rajat | no, if the spec was reproposed for Caracal cycle, meaning they planned to work on it this cycle itself | 14:28 |
| crohmann | But with a merged spec, is there any commitment to pick this up as a team, or does it always come down to someone indiviually starting the work? | 14:29 |
| whoami-rajat | if you are referring for the D cycle, we might see a resubmission next time | 14:29 |
| crohmann | ok. So it's not about "me" having the intest in the feature to resubmit it, but rather the implementors doing so to communicate the intention to implement? | 14:29 |
| whoami-rajat | yes, correct | 14:30 |
| crohmann | thanks. Understood. | 14:30 |
| whoami-rajat | at least that's my understanding | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | we have an "Untargeted" section on the specs homepage | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/cinder-specs/#untargeted-specs | 14:31 |
| whoami-rajat | the implementation part depends on the team member's bandwidth which only an individual contributor can tell, if he/she can work on the implementation | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | i think crohmann's worry is that the spec will be lost and no one will know that it's available to work on | 14:32 |
| crohmann | that rosmaita . | 14:32 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, that might be a good place to put it | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | it might make sense to move the untargeted section to immediately after the current cycle's specs | 14:32 |
| fungi | rosmaita: i'll personally offer to host the fungi release party in late 2025 | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | because right now, you have to scroll way down to see it | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | fungi: i'll be there! | 14:33 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, makes sense to me, I can propose a patch for that unless you plan to work on it | 14:34 |
| crohmann | I appreciate the spec not being "filed away" for good. But become part of some (stretched) roadmap | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | whoami-rajat: tell you what, i will propose the move-stuff-around patch, and you can look for other unimplemented specs to add to the list | 14:35 |
| whoami-rajat | since the previous cycle specs don't need work if implemented, the untargeted one seems more important | 14:35 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, sure, sounds good | 14:35 |
| crohmann | Thanks to you both for tackling this issue of unimplemented (but potentially interesting) specs. | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | whoami-rajat: i'll put up the patch, and then you can take it over to add the other specs | 14:36 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, i can add the patch to move specs on top of your patch since i think 1) moving the untargeted section and 2) moving specs into it are 2 different tasks | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | ok, sounds good | 14:37 |
| whoami-rajat | thanks crohmann for the discussion, anything else on this topic? | 14:38 |
| crohmann | not from e. | 14:38 |
| whoami-rajat | okay, moving on | 14:39 |
| whoami-rajat | #topic Regarding the Ceph caps | 14:39 |
| whoami-rajat | crohmann, again that's you | 14:39 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/cinder/2024/cinder.2024-01-03-14.00.log.html#l-56 | 14:40 |
| crohmann | I kindly ask you to read my post on the ML at https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/message/5SVYDYOXWMG4TJKWEA6BFMPZZGC3Q5CS/ with my findings and suggestions to fix this. | 14:40 |
| crohmann | Firstly I'd like to ask if you agree that there is some degree of disarray with the caps in the docs and code. | 14:41 |
| whoami-rajat | regarding a), there seems to be some issue with glance releasenote generation since the patch included an upgrade note mentioning this, it's strange it didn't show up in glance releasenotes | 14:42 |
| whoami-rajat | https://github.com/openstack/glance_store/commit/3d221ec529862d43ab303644e74ee9ad6ce8cd40#diff-e87ca98c41a1d5e6041634018a7b496e603acdd2489313156050f4d98920e159 | 14:43 |
| crohmann | Yes, but this does not mention the need to change the caps to grant glance read access to volumes. | 14:44 |
| crohmann | oh sorry, it actually does | 14:45 |
| whoami-rajat | minimum ceph client version is greater than 'luminous' need to grant glance osd read access to the cinder and nova RBD pool. | 14:45 |
| whoami-rajat | glance team should look into this as to why it doesn't show up https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/glance_store/2023.2.html | 14:47 |
| whoami-rajat | anyways, we can go through the points after the meeting, thanks for bringing this up crohmann | 14:48 |
| crohmann | Thanks. Shall we discuss on the ML then? I gladly write some patches if we could work out how things (caps) should look like today. | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | whoami-rajat: finally found it, it's in the yoga release notes for glance: https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/glance_store/yoga.html#relnotes-3-0-0-stable-yoga | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | but, obviously, not a lot of people have seen it! | 14:50 |
| crohmann | And it's already obsolete | 14:50 |
| whoami-rajat | i don't know about the documentation point, does it need to be documented separately for each deployment tool? or in every project as to what are the right caps for it. Eg: cinder documentation can mention it's caps for glance and nova pools | 14:52 |
| crohmann | That's my whole point. There are multiple set of caps floating around in code, deployment tooling and docs (and also potentially incomplete release notes). Least privilege and proper configuration to the requirements of Cinder and Glance as clients should be easily achievable. | 14:52 |
| crohmann | No it does not need to be documented separately, thus my wording of "reference" caps (coming from the projects themselves). | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | crohmann: as part of your ML discussion, you can maybe ask where the best place to document this stuff is | 14:53 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, oh it was merged in yoga | 14:53 |
| crohmann | rosmaita: I did. See my last bullet points: | 14:54 |
| crohmann | * fix the documentation and code devstack as "upstreams" first | 14:55 |
| crohmann | distribute this as a reference to the deployment tools and also the | 14:55 |
| crohmann | Ceph docs | 14:55 |
| * rosmaita is apparently not paying close attention | 14:55 | |
| crohmann | To me each project should be able to communicate the required access rights to e.g. Ceph, to function properly and document those. | 14:56 |
| crohmann | Everything and everybody else (Ceph docs, deployment tooling, ...) just follows that. | 14:56 |
| crohmann | I just made the observation that (as an operator) the current state of things is really confusing. | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | ok, so for cinder, i guess the appropriate place will be here: https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/latest/configuration/block-storage/drivers/ceph-rbd-volume-driver.html | 14:57 |
| whoami-rajat | makes sense, we can add to the cinder documentation regarding the caps cinder (volumes) pool need to nova and glance pools | 14:57 |
| whoami-rajat | +1 | 14:58 |
| crohmann | As soon as this happend, I gladly raise bugs with openstack-ansible, Ceph, ... about them being outdated :-) | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | sounds like you have a good plan! | 14:59 |
| whoami-rajat | we just have 2 minutes left so we can follow up on this discussion | 14:59 |
| whoami-rajat | there is one other important topic i wanted to cover | 14:59 |
| whoami-rajat | #topic Driver Merge Deadline (26th Jan) | 15:00 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/cinder-caracal-drivers | 15:00 |
| whoami-rajat | if you are planning to add your driver in the 2024.1 release, please mention the patch details on the etherpad | 15:00 |
| whoami-rajat | till now we have a blueprint from ZTE but we are unable to find any patches proposed against it | 15:00 |
| whoami-rajat | and we are out of time | 15:00 |
| whoami-rajat | will move the rest of topics to next week | 15:01 |
| crohmann | rosmaita: whoami-rajat: Will you reply about the caps issue on the ML then? | 15:01 |
| whoami-rajat | crohmann, sure, i will take a look | 15:01 |
| crohmann | awesome. Thanks a bunch! | 15:01 |
| whoami-rajat | np | 15:01 |
| whoami-rajat | we have a long list of review request to kindly look into it as well | 15:01 |
| whoami-rajat | thanks everyone for attending | 15:01 |
| whoami-rajat | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Wed Jan 10 15:01:55 2024 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/cinder/2024/cinder.2024-01-10-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/cinder/2024/cinder.2024-01-10-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/cinder/2024/cinder.2024-01-10-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
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