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| rosmaita | #startmeeting cinder | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 12 14:00:31 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:00 | |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 14:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 14:00 |
| enriquetaso | hi | 14:00 |
| walshh_ | hi | 14:00 |
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| e0ne | hi | 14:01 |
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| fabiooliveira | hi | 14:02 |
| felipe_rodrigues | hi | 14:02 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 14:02 |
| tosky | hi | 14:02 |
| eharney | hi | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | good turnout, let's get started | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/cinder-xena-meetings | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | #topic announcements - upcoming deadlines | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements - upcoming deadlines (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:04 | |
| rosmaita | here's my weekly reminder of what's coming up | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | this week: R-21 | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | xena milestone 1: R-19 (week of 24 May) | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | yep, 2 weeks away | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | cinder spec freeze: R-15 (week of 21 June) | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | cinderlib wallaby release: R-14 (week of 28 July, though we can release earlier) | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | #topic announcements - train goes to EM | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements - train goes to EM (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:05 | |
| rosmaita | train goes to Extended Maintenance mode soon ... like this week | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | thanks to whoami-rajat for organizing getting the final train releases out | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | release patch: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/790473 | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | EM tag patch: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/790737 | 14:06 |
| whoami-rajat | thanks everyone for the stable branch reviews! | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | #topic announcements - xena midcycles | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements - xena midcycles (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:06 | |
| rosmaita | save the dates for the R-18 and R-9 midcycles | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-May/022306.html | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | and, start thinking about what should be discussed | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/cinder-xena-mid-cycles | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | #topic announcements - cycle priorities | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements - cycle priorities (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:08 | |
| rosmaita | we had kind of a light turnout last week | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | so I just want to mention this again | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderXenaPTGSummary#Xena_Cycle_Priorities | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | key thing to pay attention to are the priorities throughout the cycle | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | please use the topics stated there on any patches, it will help us prioritize reviews | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | #topic announcements - SQLAlchemy 1.4 in upper-constraints | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements - SQLAlchemy 1.4 in upper-constraints (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:09 | |
| rosmaita | rajat mentioned this a few weeks ago | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | there are some non-backward-compat changes in 1.4 to get people ready to move to 2.0 | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | thanks to geguileo for fixing some bugs yesterday | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | so it looks like cinder is ready | 14:10 |
| whoami-rajat | great! | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | i just want to mention this because not all projects that use sqlalchemy run cross-project tests on the u-c change patches | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/requirements/+/788339/ | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | so if you are working on such a project, you might want to run your tests with sqlalchemy 1.4.13 to make sure nothing breaks | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | there were some regressions between 1.4.0 and 1.4.12 that were fixed | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | so don't test against older 1.4.x versions | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all the announcements from me | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | anyone else? | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | looks like no | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | #topic interop guidelines review part 2 | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "interop guidelines review part 2 (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:14 | |
| rosmaita | we were asked at the PTG to review the current guidelines and see if anything should be added | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | as a reminder, what we are looking for is | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | Block Storage API calls that should be supported in all clouds | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | right now, there are only 3.0 calls in the required section | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | the idea is that we want to promote workload portability | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | so that users can move their workloads to any openstack cloud and expect them to work | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | (within reason) | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | at this point, we would introduce any new calls as "advisory" | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | and then after a while, the interop group will make them required (or, i guess, reject them) | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | last week I mentioned 3 capabilities as advisory candidates | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | 1 - user messages | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | 2 - new transfer API | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | 3 - attachments API | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | what we need for each is that (1) there exist tempest tests for the capability, and (2) we propose a patch to the interop group making the tests advisory | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | i like the user messages from the standpoint of encouraging people to pay attention to them | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | but i'm not so sure about their relevance for workload portablity | 14:19 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | though they might contain sufficient info for you to recover from a failure scenario? | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | anyway, we can think about those because there's another problem | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | the existing tempest tests are admin tests | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | i think they'd have to be moved to non-admin before they'd be accepted | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | i think they're in the admin section of tempest so that a failure scenario can be caused, something like that | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | i should be more specific. there are 2 tests | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | idempotent_id('50f29e6e-f363-42e1-8ad1-f67ae7fd4d5a') - tempest.api.volume.admin.test_user_messages.UserMessagesTest.test_list_show_messages | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | idempotent_id('c6eb6901-cdcc-490f-b735-4fe251842aed') - tempest.api.volume.admin.test_user_messages.UserMessagesTest.test_delete_message | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | does anyone have an opinion on this, or is everyone reading their email? | 14:23 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 14:23 |
| eharney | the user message tests shouldn't be admin-oriented | 14:24 |
| jungleboyj | Right. Otherwise they aren't user messages. :-) | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i think they're in there because you need an admin cred to cause the failure scenario to prompt a user message | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | in any case, we can talk about this later in the cycle, maybe at R-9 midcycle | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | need to decide: (a) should they be included, and (b) how to restructure the tempest tests | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | ok, #2 - new transfers api | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | this is microversion 3.55 (and 3.57) | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | so all it does is change the REST resource from 'os-volume-transfer' to 'volume-transfers' | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | this is before my time, it think the idea is the os- one was needed for 3.0 to be compatible with 2.0 | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | and i guess eventually we want to stop supporting os-volume-transfer in the URL? | 14:27 |
| * jungleboyj can't remember why that was. | 14:27 | |
| eharney | just for clarity... does a cloud meet interop guidelines if it chooses to disable volume transfer via policy configuration? | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | that's a good question | 14:28 |
| eharney | yes, the os-volume-methods are generally named that way because they were extensions, and it is now "volume-transfers" because it's a proper part of the API | 14:28 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Oh, that is right. Thank you. | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | to answer Eric's question, as long as it's exposed for some users, i believe it's ok | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | of course, on that interpretation, a cloud could expose it only to the test user and nobody else | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | not sure there's anything we can do about that | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | i guess the important question is whether we think volume-transfer should be a required capability | 14:30 |
| eharney | i don't know, i would assume that since some clouds surely don't have any users that would need it, some admins would prefer to turn it off | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | i looked into this a bit last week ... there are tempest tests for the "old" api, so i put up a patch to include tests for the "new" api | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tempest/+/790201 | 14:32 |
| eharney | it only makes sense on clouds where users would have a reason to share volumes between each other in some way | 14:32 |
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| rosmaita | well, i'm thinking of a 3rd party thing, where you could set up volumes with DBs and stuff as a service, and transfer the prepared volume to your customers | 14:32 |
| jungleboyj | Maybe I am missing something here. | 14:33 |
| jungleboyj | The interop test it to validate the things that should work in all clouds. Not testing what the administrator has decided to enable or not. | 14:33 |
| eharney | it's an API-only feature | 14:34 |
| jungleboyj | What am I missing? | 14:34 |
| eharney | the only way for it to not work is if the admin doesn't allow it | 14:34 |
| eharney | i think we just need more clarity (or i do) on what it means to test for interop of a feature like this | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i am a bit unclear on this too | 14:35 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, me too. So, if we say that it is something that should work and an admin has disabled it by policy then that cloud would fail the interop tests? | 14:35 |
| eharney | that's the part i'm not clear on | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | well, it depends on how much it's disabled, i think | 14:35 |
| tosky | shouldn't that apply to all interop tests? | 14:36 |
| eharney | the flip side of that is -- why test it at all | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | right, because if you have the software, you have all the stuff you need to run the full API | 14:36 |
| eharney | you are really just testing if they are running a new enough version of cinder if you're ignoring the part where admins don't allow it via policy | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | ok, maybe we need to invite the interop-WG to the R-9 midcycle so we can discuss this in person | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | my hidden agenda with the transfers api is: | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | if we are ever going to remove the "old" api, it would be good to know that people are using the "new" one | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | because that would be the required capability | 14:38 |
| jungleboyj | ++ to further discussion. | 14:38 |
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| rosmaita | ok, that makes sense ... real quickly, though | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | item #3 ... the attachments API | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | there aren't any tempest tests | 14:39 |
| whoami-rajat | isn't it tested with nova tests? | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | there's a patch from February 2018 to add an "attachments client" | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | but it's still sitting there | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tempest/+/487884 | 14:40 |
| eharney | it would be tested via nova tests, but maybe there aren't tests that validate anything about the API itself | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | right | 14:40 |
| eharney | i.e. from tempest manipulating attachments directly instead of just by attaching volumes to nova | 14:40 |
| whoami-rajat | ok | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | yes, it's tested indirectly, but might be worth testing directly | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | just wanted to mention that | 14:41 |
| whoami-rajat | yeah nova might not be testing attachment_get at all (not sure though) | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | ok, so the conclusion now is: | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | 1 - we don't have anything to add to next.json at this time | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | 2 - we want to meet with the interop-WG to get a better handle on the whole thing | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | that's all | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | #topic Minor version bump for config option added in drivers | 14:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Minor version bump for config option added in drivers (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:43 | |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | this is prompted by the train release patch | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/790473 | 14:43 |
| whoami-rajat | with reference to config option added in this patch | 14:44 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/783866 | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | we proposed cinder 15.5.2 or something | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | the release team asked us to make it 15.6.0 | 14:44 |
| eharney | minor version bumps are generally not a big deal, so, seems fine | 14:45 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: ++ | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | the guidelines are here: | 14:45 |
| jungleboyj | I don't have a strong opinion. If that is what they want, then we can do that. | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | #link https://releases.openstack.org/reference/reviewer_guide.html#release-x-y-z-will-include | 14:45 |
| whoami-rajat | my main concern here is that we haven't done similar things before and if do we want to standardize it for the next releases, just to be consistent | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | i think it's going to be difficult to maintain consistency on this | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | we've also had the situation where we were asked to downgrade a minor bump to a patch bump | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | a lot of times, it's a judgement call | 14:47 |
| eharney | i suspect that most people are deciding to upgrade based on "this is still stable/train" and not minor vs patch version numbers, and if the minor bump tells them to scan the release notes, maybe that's good | 14:48 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: ++ | 14:48 |
| whoami-rajat | but we can easily monitor if a config option is added or not, it can be similar to when we bump dependencies | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | we also have a weird situation because the release team wants us to do an early release of libraries in a cycle, you have wallaby brick 5.0, say, and then first early xena is 5.1, so all the rest of wallaby bricks can only be patch increments | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | i think what it comes down to is basically what eric said | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | you have to look at the series and not so much the version number | 14:50 |
| whoami-rajat | in that case we do patch bumps for even dependency updates | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | right | 14:51 |
| whoami-rajat | i just wanted to be consistent with the later releases and not specifically regarding stable/train but if consistency is not a major concern here then I'm good | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | it's a good thing to bring up | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | i think we should try to be consistent, but not get too worried about it | 14:52 |
| whoami-rajat | +1 | 14:53 |
| tosky | (not for the last release of train which should go out yesterday - and I'm the one who usually likes to nags for consistency) | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:54 | |
| rosmaita | i think Eric asked last week or at the festival of mypy about what happened to the "Toggle CI" button in gerrit | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | i put an item on the opendev meeting agenda to ask them about that | 14:56 |
| eharney | well, i was definitely noting that it was missed :) | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | i just need to remember to go to the meeting | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | i thought it was on the feature gap list for the gerrit web UI update, but it's not | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | anyway, it would be nice to get that back | 14:58 |
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| whoami-rajat | ++ | 14:58 |
| whoami-rajat | really hard to find reviewer comments in between those CI comments | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | i agree | 14:59 |
| enriquetaso | ++ | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | the comment thread tab is nice, but it only shows inline comments | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | ok, we need to make way for horizon | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | have a good week everyone, and thanks for attending | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 12 15:00:09 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2021/cinder.2021-05-12-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| e0ne | rosmaita: horizon canceled the meeting | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2021/cinder.2021-05-12-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2021/cinder.2021-05-12-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | e0ne: welcome back! hope you had a good vacation | 15:00 |
| e0ne | rosmaita: I did, thanks! | 15:00 |
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