Wednesday, 2021-04-14

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rosmaita#startmeeting cinder14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 14 14:00:16 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'14:00
sfernandhi14:00
jungleboyj\o/14:00
enriquetasohi14:00
walshh_hi14:00
e0nehi14:01
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eharneyhi14:01
hemnahi14:01
whoami-rajatHi14:02
rosmaitahemna: did you want to go over the backup change you're working on at the PTG?14:02
hemnasure14:02
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rosmaitawe have some time on friday, i'll add it14:02
hemnaok sounds good14:03
rosmaitahello everyone14:03
rosmaitalet's get started14:03
rosmaita#topic announcements14:03
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rosmaita#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/cinder-xena-meetings14:03
rosmaitathat's the new agenda etherpad ^^14:03
rosmaitaif you like getting the courtesy reminder in the cinder channel before each meeting, make sure your nick is listed at lines 30-3214:04
rosmaitaand if you don't like it, make sure your name is *not* listed14:04
rosmaitanext item: friday is the 3rd friday of April14:04
rosmaitaso time for another festival of XS reviews14:04
rosmaitait will be 1400-1600 UTC14:05
rosmaitaand we are holding it in meetpad14:05
rosmaita#link https://meetpad.opendev.org/cinder-festival-of-reviews14:05
jungleboyjCool.14:06
rosmaitanot sure if you are aware, but there is a Special Technical Committee Election happening14:06
rosmaitait closes tomorrow at 23:45 UTC14:06
hemnaspecial ?14:06
jungleboyj++ Please vote!14:06
rosmaitasomeone resigned or something14:06
rosmaitajungleboyj: do you know?14:06
e0nerosmaita: what does 'special' mean?14:06
jungleboyjWe were short one member in the election.14:06
rosmaitaanyway, i heard about it and realized that i never got a ballot14:07
jungleboyjThen had a candidate that realized they missed the deadline.14:07
rosmaitait was stuck in my spam filter14:07
* hemna looks i spam folder14:07
rosmaitaso, look for email with subject "Poll: April 2021 Special Technical Committee Election"14:07
jungleboyjSo, we approved a special election.14:07
jungleboyjrosmaita: Thank you.  I need to go find that.14:07
rosmaitait may have been flagged because different sent from and reply-to in the email14:07
rosmaitait's the usual election deal, you can't share the link in the email14:08
rosmaitaotherwise i would just post it14:08
rosmaitaif you can't find it, put a shout in #openstack-tc and maybe someone there will help you14:08
rosmaitaok, last announcement14:09
rosmaitaPTG next week!14:09
rosmaitamake sure you register14:09
rosmaita#link https://april2021-ptg.eventbrite.com/14:09
rosmaitaand i went through the planning etherpad and came up with a schedule14:10
rosmaitait's a rough schedule, we'll do the usual start at the beginning and give each thing as much time as it needs14:10
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/apr2021-ptg-cinder14:10
rosmaitaif we run out of time (or have too much), i will move my topics around14:11
rosmaitaso if you have a topic, you at least know what day it will be discussed14:11
hemnais the link for cinder-festival-of-reviews working for others?   it's not working for me (DNS ?)14:12
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rosmaitae0ne: don't forget that you were going to find a rally test example we can use for quotas testing14:12
rosmaitawe will talk aobut that on wednesday ... is that ok for you?14:12
e0nerosmaita: yes, thanks14:12
rosmaitahemna: it's working for me14:13
e0nehemna: works for me14:13
hemnaok thanks, must be my local network14:13
rosmaitahemna: worst case, we will also be in #openstack-cinder during the festival, so can communicate that way14:13
enriquetaso++14:14
rosmaitalast thing about the PTG ... look at the schedule and let me know as soon as possible if there's a conflict for your topic14:14
rosmaitaotherwise, feel free to enhance the etherpad with links to what you will be discussing, etc14:14
rosmaitaand, as usual, we will be taking notes in that etherpad as the discussions happen14:15
rosmaitalast thing: no cinder meeting next week because we'll all be at the ptg14:16
whoami-rajatrosmaita: can we still propose topics for PTG?14:16
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rosmaitawhoami-rajat: yes, i think we have some room for Friday14:16
rosmaitaand i am going to talk about my requirements topic today, since the meeting agenda was so light14:17
whoami-rajatack thanks14:17
enriquetasono cinder bug meeting neither  :P14:17
rosmaitagood point!14:18
rosmaitawe'll be using bluejeans again for the PTG14:18
rosmaitait seems to work well for everyone except when it crashes my laptop14:18
rosmaitabut i have a new set of fans, and that seems to have helped14:19
rosmaitathat's all the announcements i have14:19
rosmaitaanyone else?14:19
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rosmaitaok, moving along then14:20
rosmaita#topic backportable?14:20
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rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/78291714:20
rosmaitathis is adding fast-diff support to the ceph backup driver14:21
rosmaitathe objection has come up that it's kind of feature-y14:21
rosmaitaon the other hand, fast-diff has been around for a long time on the ceph side, so it's kind of a bug that we don't support it when it's available14:21
rosmaitaand, it's a backup driver, not a volume driver14:22
rosmaitaso, i can see this going either way, and want to get a sense of the team whether this is an appropriate backport or not14:22
e0neI'm OK to backport it. it looks like a good improvement rather than new feature14:22
jungleboyjI was worried about it being featury.14:23
eharneyseems low risk and useful to me, and isn't a user-visible feature, so i'd be ok with it14:23
jungleboyjBut am open to others input.14:23
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rosmaitai'm on the pro-backport side, it's not configured, it just checks whether the backend supports it and does the right thing14:25
jungleboyjOk.  Then I won't push back.  :-)14:25
rosmaitasounds good ... thanks for bringing it up, it's good to keep the discussion out in the open14:26
rosmaitai guess the other point is, please review that patch!14:27
rosmaita#topic mTLS support in cinderclient14:27
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rosmaitathis one missed the wallaby python-cinderclient release14:27
rosmaitaand it was the subject of a ML item yesterday14:28
rosmaita#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-April/021822.html14:28
rosmaitaand i put a -1 on it this morning14:28
rosmaitaso it is getting some visibility14:28
rosmaitai think that's all i have to say about that14:28
rosmaitathough it did prompt the next item14:29
rosmaita#topic reviewing standards, practices, and strategy14:29
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rosmaitaok, so if you look at that patch, it has a bunch of +1s with no comments14:29
rosmaitahere is what i still think about that14:29
rosmaita#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/006445.html14:30
rosmaitathat is my personal opinion ^^ and if you read the thread, not everyone agrees14:30
rosmaita(though all the right-thinking people do)14:30
jungleboyj:-)14:30
rosmaitabut here is why i am bringing this up14:30
rosmaitaif you want to speed up reviews on your patch, don't pile on +1s with no comment14:31
rosmaitabecause i have been seeing a lot of that lately14:31
rosmaita+1s with helpful comments are ... helpful14:31
rosmaitayou can speed up reviews by providing info that is helpful to reviewers14:31
rosmaitahere are some examples14:31
rosmaitaif this change is tested in CI, say where14:31
rosmaitaby "where", i mean link to the log14:32
rosmaitamake sure the bug description is clear ... especially for driver bugs, don't expect that everyone knows details about your backend14:32
enriquetasorosmaita++14:32
rosmaitaespecially make sure you are clear about backend operations vs. cinder-side operations14:32
rosmaitasome of them have the same names, and it can be very confusing figuring out what the heck you are talking about14:32
rosmaitamake sure the commit message is clear about the fix14:33
rosmaita#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GitCommitMessages#Information_in_commit_messages14:33
rosmaitait's worth going back and looking at ^^ occasionally, some good advice in there14:33
rosmaitamake sure the release note is clear and correctly formatted14:33
jungleboyj++14:33
rosmaita#link https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/latest/contributor/releasenotes.html14:33
rosmaitaand like for the mTLS review, it would be helpful to say +1 this is just like the fix in python-barbicanclient14:34
rosmaita(except that in this case it isn't, which is why i have a -1 with a question on that patch)14:34
rosmaitaok, so not to over do this14:35
rosmaitaplease provide info when you +1 about why you are good with the fix14:36
rosmaitaany questions?14:36
rosmaitaor points other people want to make?14:36
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jungleboyjThis shouldn't be surprising to people.  +1/-1 with no comments has always been frowned upon.  :-)14:38
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rosmaita:(14:38
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jungleboyjWhy does that make rosmaita sad?14:39
rosmaitai was frowning14:39
rosmaita:)14:39
* jungleboyj yells "Get off my lawn!"14:39
rosmaita#topic requirements and lower-constraints14:39
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rosmaita#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-March/021204.html14:39
rosmaitai have patches up removing the lower-constraints job from all stable branches back to rocky (where the l-c job was introduced)14:40
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22cinder-drop-lc%22+(status:open%20OR%20status:merged)14:40
rosmaitathe good news is that our gates are mostly functional on the stable branches back to rocky14:40
rosmaitathere are three exceptions14:40
jungleboyj++14:40
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%2522cinder-drop-lc%2522+status:open+label:Verified%253C%253D-114:40
rosmaitafor brick-cinderclient-ext, both stein and rocky, brick-cinderclient-dsvm-functional has TIMED_OUT14:40
rosmaitai'm not sure what the problem is, and since that's not a high-traffic repo, and those are not releaseable branches, i'm not interested in following up14:40
rosmaita(but that doesn't mean that no one should ... by all means, take a look if you are interested)14:41
rosmaitafor stable/rocky cinder, cinder-tempest-dsvm-lvm-lio-barbican is failing 8 network scenario tests14:41
rosmaitai suspect a configuration problem, because those tests aren't even run in tempest-full or neutron-grenade14:41
toskyoh, that requires a backport14:41
toskyof a patch I send for stein14:41
rosmaitaok, cool then14:41
toskyhttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/77847614:42
rosmaitagot aheead and propose it for rocky14:42
rosmaitait will be nice to have that gate working14:42
rosmaitaok, next topic14:43
rosmaitaactually, a side topic14:43
rosmaitathose patches remove the l-c job, but not all the l-c stuff (like the tox testenv or the lower-constraints.txt file)14:44
rosmaitai figured leave them there in case someone finds them useful?14:44
eharneyseems reasonable14:44
rosmaitaexcept for rocky, where it was such a PITA trying to figure out what was breaking that i ripped it all out on my patch14:45
rosmaita:D14:45
rosmaitaok, so the next topic is what to do in master14:45
rosmaitabut first, i should say something about the whole idea of lower-constraints so we can come to a reasonable decision14:46
rosmaitaThe original lower-constraints.txt was generated from ... actually i'm not sure14:46
rosmaitait was roughly pip-installing the minimum versions of stuff listed in {requirements.txt + test-requirements.txt + setup.cfg} and doing a pip freeze on the result14:46
rosmaitabut, it was not auto-maintained ... the only enforcement mechanism is that the job would fail if there was anything in {requirements.txt + test-requirements.txt + setup.cfg} that wasn't listed in lower-constraints.txt14:46
rosmaitaso, as a result, indirect dependencies of new additions to our requirements didn't make it into l-c unless someone was super-careful14:47
rosmaitaok, so what is the point of the lower-constraints?14:47
rosmaitasupposed to give you a check on what minimum versions of dependencies can be used14:47
rosmaitathe l-c tox testenv does a pip install -c lower-constraints.txt14:47
rosmaita(that's usually where the upper-constraints file is specified)14:48
rosmaitaand then runs the unit tests in that environment14:48
rosmaitaso it will fail if the current requirements aren't co-installable with the current lower-constraints14:48
rosmaitaor if our unit tests use some feature of a dependency that isn't available in the version listed in lower-constraints.txt14:48
rosmaitabut it doesn't run functional tests (i guess we could make it do that, though)14:48
toskyjust a note: the patch will be more complicated, as rocky uses the legacy version of that job14:49
rosmaitatosky: barf14:49
rosmaitamaybe i will go back to my original plan of doing nothing for stable/rocky14:49
toskyyou may want to temporarily make the lvm-lio job non-voting14:50
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rosmaitai guess i would say, it's not a project priority to get stable/rocky working14:50
eharneywhat's up with the lvm-lio job?14:50
toskyon rocky, it's a legacy job14:50
rosmaitaunless someone on the team is supporting stable/rocky and has an interest in getting the gates working14:50
toskyit's a _bit_ more complicated to fix it14:50
toskyso... when are we going to schedule a discussion about abandoning a few other old branches?14:51
toskyafter xena releases?14:51
eharneyis it broken because of requirements issues?  maybe i missed something14:51
rosmaitaeharney: i think just general bit rot14:51
toskyeharney: it is broken because some neutron tests need to be skipped, see https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/77847614:51
rosmaitato tell you the truth, i think  a higher priority is to fix cinderlib train gate14:52
rosmaitabecause that is still releasable14:52
rosmaitaok, we have got off track here14:52
toskyisn't the next point "open discussion" anyway?14:53
rosmaitawe need to decide what to do about lower-constraints in master, because having a l-c job is optional14:53
rosmaitaoption (1): drop completely14:53
rosmaitapro: don't need to worry about it!14:53
rosmaitacon: lose the sanity check on the minima listed in our requirements14:53
rosmaitaoption (2): reduce l-c.txt to direct dependencies only (i.e., those in {requirements.txt + test-requirements.txt + setup.cfg}14:54
rosmaitapro: easier to maintain (smaller set of dependencies)14:54
rosmaitapro: gives us a sanity check on the minima listed in the requirements files - we know our unit tests run with those versions14:54
rosmaitacon: still has to be maintained14:54
rosmaitacon: don't need the sanity check if we aggressively update the minima requirements each cycle14:54
rosmaita(which we have been doing)14:54
rosmaitaoption (3): keep full l-c.txt (basically, everything in pip list of one of the unit test tox envs)14:54
rosmaitapro: even better sanity check than (2)14:54
rosmaitacon: harder to maintain than (2)14:55
rosmaitaare people ready to make a decision now, or should we revisit this next week?14:55
toskywe don't always update the minimal requirements (for good reasons), so I believe 2 would still provide some value14:56
rosmaitatosky: thanks ... let's revisit next week, because we also need a raise-the-min-requirements policy discussion14:57
rosmaita#topic open discussion14:58
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rosmaitafor 2 minutes14:58
rosmaitai will change the requirements!!! on the PTG etherpad to requirements + lower-constraints + stable branch retirements14:58
jungleboyj++14:59
rosmaitaok, don't forget about the festival of reviews on Friday, 1400-1600 UTC15:00
rosmaitasee you in meetpad!15:00
jungleboyjThanks!15:00
rosmaita(except maybe hemna)15:00
rosmaita#endmeeting15:00
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vishalmanchanda#startmeeting horizon15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 14 15:00:51 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is vishalmanchanda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'horizon'15:00
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e0neHI15:02
vishalmanchandae0ne: hi.15:02
vishalmanchandalet's wait for few minutes if more people can join us.15:02
tmazurHi o/15:02
vishalmanchandaok Let's start15:05
vishalmanchanda#topic Notices15:05
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vishalmanchandaAll backport purpose to stable/wallaby is merged.15:05
rdopierao/15:06
vishalmanchanda#link https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/horizon+branch:stable/wallaby15:06
vishalmanchandaAlso patch to cut stable/wallaby with the latest hash is also landed.15:06
vishalmanchanda#link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/78565915:06
vishalmanchandathanks everyone for purposing the backport and reviewing them so fast.15:07
vishalmanchandaamotoki: e0ne rdopiera :^^15:07
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e0neamotoki: thanks for proposing a release patch15:08
vishalmanchandaI think We will see official announcement for wallaby release by End of this week.15:09
vishalmanchandaThere is a wallaby release community meeting tomorrow at 14:00 UTC.15:09
vishalmanchandaif anyone interested can join.15:10
vishalmanchanda#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-April/021813.html15:10
vishalmanchandaNext week is PTG week. I hope to see you in the PTG.15:11
e0ne_115:11
e0ne+115:11
vishalmanchandaPlease register for PTG #link https://april2021-ptg.eventbrite.com/15:11
vishalmanchandaYou can find more detail about horizon ptg schedule on our etherpad15:12
vishalmanchanda#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/xena-ptg-horizon-planning15:12
vishalmanchandaPlease add your name on etherpad of you are going to attend  it.15:13
e0nethere are good topics to discuss!15:13
vishalmanchandae0ne: +1.15:13
vishalmanchandaAlso add your topics which you want to discuss it during the ptg.15:13
vishalmanchandaPlease take a look at etherpad topics and add your suggestion about the topics.15:14
vishalmanchandaAlso no horizon weekly meeting next week because we are going to meet at the ptg.15:15
vishalmanchandaWe also have a cross project session for adding System Scope Support in horizon.15:16
vishalmanchanda#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/policy-popup-xena-ptg#7415:16
vishalmanchandaTBH I am still not familiar with System Scope Stuff.15:17
vishalmanchandaI am just reading some docs about it.15:18
vishalmanchandae0ne: amotoki rdopiera tmazur: Please add your thoughts what are the challenges in adding it to horizon which we can ask policy pop-up team.15:18
vishalmanchandaok Let's move on to next topic15:21
vishalmanchanda#Horizon next Update15:21
vishalmanchanda#topic Horizon next Update15:22
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vishalmanchandaI got a personal mail from 99cloud folks.15:22
vishalmanchandathey are working on this idea and want to discuss it with horizon team and community.15:23
vishalmanchanda#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/xena-ptg-horizon-planning#5515:23
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vishalmanchandaI will add more detail about this topic what we discuss in the past.15:24
e0neI hope they have resources to implement it15:24
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e0nethat's something people ask for a while15:25
vishalmanchandae0ne: yeah they already done some work.15:26
vishalmanchandaI will add more detail about this topic what we discuss in the past.15:27
vishalmanchandae0ne: rdopiera : you know more than me about this topic.15:27
vishalmanchandaPlease add your thoughts.15:28
vishalmanchandaSo Can We discuss it on Tuesday, April 20(Room: Grizzly) at 16UTC - 17UTC ?15:28
vishalmanchandaI want more people can join this session.15:29
e0neworks for me15:30
tmazurfor me too15:31
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rdopierayes15:31
vishalmanchandaPlease let me know if you want to participate in any topics and purposed time for that session will not work for you.15:32
rdopieraI wish they'd write an email instead of recording a video15:32
vishalmanchandaI will try to move it to other possible time slots except for cross project session.15:32
rdopieraI suppose we live in the future now15:32
vishalmanchandardopiera: they have also shared a ppt about their architecture but I was wondering should I shared it or not.15:33
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vishalmanchandardopiera: any way I will share that ppt via google drive.15:34
vishalmanchandaI will send a mail to 99cloud developer about the schedule.15:35
vishalmanchandathat's all update from my side.15:36
vishalmanchanda#topic open discussion15:37
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vishalmanchandaDoes anyone have any topics to discuss?15:37
* rdopiera doesn't15:38
e0nenothing from me15:38
tmazurnothing15:38
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vishalmanchandaok Let's end this meeting.15:39
vishalmanchandaThanks everyone for joining!15:39
e0nesee you at PTG15:39
tmazuro/15:40
vishalmanchandaSee you at the ptg.15:40
vishalmanchanda#endmeeting15:40
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