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| priteau | #startmeeting blazar | 09:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 19 09:06:23 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:06 |
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| priteau | #topic Roll call | 09:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 09:36:03 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2021/blazar.2021-01-19-09.06.html | 09:36 |
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| gagehugo | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 19 15:00:49 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| stevthedev | o/ | 15:01 |
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| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/openstack-helm-weekly-meeting agenda | 15:01 |
| miniroy | \o | 15:01 |
| reddy | o/ | 15:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:01 |
| lamt | \o | 15:01 |
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| gagehugo | Nothing on the agenda today | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | #topic open discussion | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:03 | |
| gagehugo | Anyone have anything? | 15:03 |
| megheisler | \o | 15:04 |
| megheisler | but nothing to add | 15:05 |
| miniroy | maybe just a quick follow up on the "version change" work? | 15:06 |
| miniroy | @gagehugo I know you have a ps, but are there info we need to publish and outline anything? | 15:06 |
| miniroy | just curious | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | No real updates yet, I hope to get them all working before next week | 15:07 |
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| miniroy | that's fine... I know you are working on them, I was merely asking if we need to update any documenation around it | 15:07 |
| gagehugo | probably | 15:07 |
| gagehugo | likely the contributor guide | 15:08 |
| miniroy | oh yeah there is that | 15:08 |
| miniroy | want me to take a crack at it? | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:09 |
| miniroy | ok will do | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | thanks miniroy | 15:09 |
| miniroy | the review will be important because I am probably not the best technical writer.... lol | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | me neither | 15:11 |
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| gagehugo | thanks everyone, have a good week! | 15:15 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 15:15:30 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2021/openstack_helm.2021-01-19-15.00.html | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2021/openstack_helm.2021-01-19-15.00.txt | 15:15 |
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| knikolla | #startmeeting keystone | 16:58 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 19 16:58:57 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is knikolla. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:59 | |
| knikolla | o/ | 16:59 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 16:59 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 17:00 |
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| knikolla | cmurphy: gagehugo: around? | 17:04 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 17:04 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 17:04 |
| knikolla | #topic Follow-up on gate instability | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Follow-up on gate instability (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 17:05 | |
| knikolla | I read the discussion in last week's keystone meeting and saw that there were concerns about dropping lower constraint testing from the gates | 17:05 |
| knikolla | In the last TC meting, we discussed the topic and reached out to packagers for RDO, ubuntu, and debian, and they didn't use lower-constraints in their packaging requirements, instead relying on upper-constraints | 17:06 |
| knikolla | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-01-14-15.00.log.html#l-105 | 17:07 |
| cmurphy | good to know | 17:08 |
| knikolla | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-January/019877.html | 17:08 |
| knikolla | with regards to the timeouts, i have encountered those with the new pip dependency resolver when trying to fix l-c | 17:09 |
| knikolla | the new dependency resolver will try all versions of a package to try and figure out which one works | 17:09 |
| knikolla | and that can take a long time, between fetching, compiling and installing all known versions of a single package | 17:10 |
| lbragstad | fun fact - i kicked off a job to do that last week and it took 8 hours | 17:10 |
| lbragstad | before i stopped it :) | 17:10 |
| knikolla | haha, yeah, i ran into the same issues | 17:11 |
| knikolla | if you use a constraints file, you have to pin almost all the dependencies, otherwise it will try all the possible combinations of what you haven't pinned | 17:12 |
| lbragstad | iiuc - that includes transitive dependencies | 17:12 |
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| cmurphy | i think including all transitive dependencies would be a good goal anyway? we've had problems where a dependency that wasn't in the constraints file broke the build and had to be added | 17:13 |
| cmurphy | but i don't mind going with the flow if other projects are dropping that job | 17:14 |
| knikolla | that would incur a maintenance burden to keep | 17:14 |
| knikolla | ideally, i understand and would like such a thing | 17:15 |
| lbragstad | i don't have an opinion - i just noticed it's going to take a while to figure out what sane list of dependencies we need (including transitive) to get things working again | 17:15 |
| knikolla | but i feel that in a world where everything is containerized, that matters less nowadays | 17:15 |
| lbragstad | i could see it making an different for deployments that need to verify versions of software for security reasons | 17:16 |
| lbragstad | difference* | 17:16 |
| lbragstad | (e.g., we can't deploy something until we comb through the source) | 17:16 |
| knikolla | hmmm, i feel that in that scenario they would have the manpower to maintain their own pinned versions | 17:17 |
| lbragstad | yeah - that's probably true | 17:17 |
| knikolla | for now, we can disable the l-c job in stable branches that are broken, and see how the openstack-wide discussion progresses | 17:19 |
| knikolla | #topic oslo.db 8.5 update breaks keystone | 17:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.db 8.5 update breaks keystone (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 17:22 | |
| knikolla | prometheanfire reported that in the -keystone channel | 17:22 |
| bnemec | I'm in another meeting, but it looks like it's failing on the deprecation warning? | 17:22 |
| knikolla | bnemec: do you have a link to zuul logs? | 17:23 |
| knikolla | i have a spare hour after the meeting to do some investigating | 17:25 |
| knikolla | we can circle back to the topic during open discussion | 17:28 |
| knikolla | #topic PTL in Xena | 17:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL in Xena (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 17:28 | |
| bnemec | Sorry, I naturally got called on in my other meeting. :-) | 17:28 |
| bnemec | The logs are here: https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/93390590a90f4ff59b3dc4d008371c41 | 17:29 |
| * bnemec runs away from the PTL topic | 17:29 | |
| knikolla | Lately, I have been unable to devote the required amount of time and attention to keystone | 17:29 |
| knikolla | I am not sure if I will (or should) be continuing in the role during the Xena cycle | 17:30 |
| lbragstad | thank you for putting in the time you have, knikolla | 17:31 |
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| cmurphy | ++ | 17:31 |
| gagehugo | ^ | 17:32 |
| gagehugo | ++ thanks knikolla! | 17:32 |
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| knikolla | Thank you all. I appreciate that. | 17:32 |
| knikolla | I wish I could have been doing a much better job as I owe a lot to keystone and OpenStack. | 17:33 |
| knikolla | If anyone is interested in the role, talk to me. Otherwise, we can experiment with distributed leadership, or figure something else out. | 17:33 |
| bnemec | If you have questions about DPL, I know a guy. ;-) | 17:36 |
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| knikolla | the tc resolution is here https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20200803-distributed-project-leadership.html :) | 17:38 |
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| knikolla | bnemec: oslo is using distributed leadership right? | 17:39 |
| bnemec | Yeah, we started this cycle. | 17:40 |
| knikolla | cool | 17:41 |
| knikolla | how is that working? | 17:41 |
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| bnemec | Pretty well so far. | 17:42 |
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| bnemec | Herve has taken over a lot of the PTL in duties in practice. | 17:43 |
| bnemec | The rest of the liaisons mostly say "nothing to report" every week in the meeting. :-) | 17:43 |
| knikolla | i see | 17:43 |
| bnemec | Err, that should have been "PTL duties in practice" s/in// | 17:43 |
| knikolla | alright, circling back to the oslo.db 8.5 topic | 17:45 |
| knikolla | #topic oslo.db 8.5 update breaks keystone (part 2) | 17:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.db 8.5 update breaks keystone (part 2) (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 17:45 | |
| knikolla | #link https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/93390590a90f4ff59b3dc4d008371c41 | 17:45 |
| knikolla | DeprecationWarning: Using function/method 'db_version()' is deprecated in version '8.3.0': sqlalchemy-migrate support in oslo_db is deprecated; consider migrating to alembic | 17:46 |
| knikolla | it does seem to be related to the deprecation of sqlalchemy-migrate support | 17:46 |
| bnemec | It's the only thing I see in the logs that looks at all wrong. | 17:47 |
| knikolla | yeah | 17:47 |
| knikolla | i am unfamiliar with the amount of work required to migrate to alembic from sqlalchemy-migrate | 17:47 |
| knikolla | i know we had a person working on it a while back, vishakha | 17:47 |
| knikolla | we have a backlogged spec at https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/specs/keystone/backlog/alembic.html | 17:48 |
| knikolla | can we non-error on deprecation warnings for now while we figure this out? | 17:50 |
| bnemec | That seems like the immediate path forward. I'm not immediately aware of what makes the deprecation warning fatal though. | 17:52 |
| knikolla | i am not aware either | 17:54 |
| * lbragstad has to drop early | 17:56 | |
| knikolla | guess i'll debug while i cook lunch, thanks all! thanks bnemec for your time. | 17:57 |
| bnemec | np | 17:57 |
| knikolla | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 17:57:59 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2021/keystone.2021-01-19-16.58.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2021/keystone.2021-01-19-16.58.txt | 17:58 |
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