Wednesday, 2020-09-16

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rosmaita#startmeeting cinder14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 16 14:00:22 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'14:00
geguileohi! o/14:00
rosmaita#topic roll call14:00
eharneyhi14:00
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smcginniso/14:00
toskyo/14:00
lsekio/14:00
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enriquetasoo/14:00
e0nehi14:00
whoami-rajat__Hi14:00
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LiangFanghi14:01
rosmaitagood turnout!14:01
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-victoria-meetings14:01
jungleboyjo/14:01
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kaiserso/14:01
dviroelo/14:01
walshh_hi14:02
rosmaitahello everyone14:02
rosmaita#topic announcements14:02
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rosmaitafirst off, some good news14:02
enriquetasoyay14:02
rosmaitalseki has been added to the cinder core team14:02
lseki🎉14:02
rosmaita#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-September/017323.html14:02
smcginnisThanks for helping lseki14:02
e0nelseki: welcome to the team!14:03
rosmaitathis will give us a bit more reviewing bandwidth as we approach RC time14:03
geguileoawesome!14:03
eharneywelcome!14:03
jungleboyjYay!14:03
rosmaitanext up, a reminder to think about Wallaby PTG topics14:04
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/wallaby-ptg-cinder-planning14:04
rosmaitaand don't forget to register, info is on the etherpad14:04
rosmaitaalso, we will be having a combined TC/PTL election season this cycle14:04
rajiniro/14:04
rosmaita#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-September/017306.html14:04
LiangFangcongratulations lseki14:05
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rosmaitaif you are interested in a TC slot or being cinder PTL, you can talk to jungleboyj or smcginnis or me to get more information about what that's like14:05
dviroellseki: congrats!14:05
andrebeltramilseki: congrats!!!!14:05
jungleboyj++14:05
sfernandcongrats Lucio :D14:06
e0nerosmaita: are you going to propose yourself as a cinder PTL?14:06
rosmaitakeep those congratulations rolling in!14:06
rosmaitae0ne: yes, i talked to my manager and red hat is supportive of me doing it again14:06
rosmaitabut, that shouldn't prevent anyone interested from stepping up!14:06
jungleboyjrosmaita:  ++14:06
jungleboyjKing of Storage!14:07
e0nerosmaita: it means, we'll be in good hands at least one cycle more!14:07
rosmaitaalso, if you think you might want to be PTL in a future development cycle14:07
rosmaitalet me know, there are things you can do to get ready14:07
e0ne(I hope this phrase in English means what I think)14:07
rosmaita(like becoming stable release czar)14:07
rosmaitae0ne: it's not insulting, if that's what you mean14:07
rosmaita:)14:07
e0nerosmaita: thanks14:08
jungleboyj:-)14:08
rosmaita#topic releases14:08
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rosmaitaok, lots of news here since we have been hampered by various gate problems the past 2 weeks14:09
rosmaitaso14:09
rosmaitavictoria python-brick-cinderclient-ext 1.1.1 released last week14:09
rosmaitamore or less on time14:09
rosmaitabut14:09
rosmaitapython-cinderclient is late14:09
rosmaitaand the releases PTL will start hunting me down if we don't get it out today14:09
rosmaitaso here's what's up with that14:10
rosmaitawe need to land these patches before release:14:10
smcginnis:)14:10
rosmaitamv 3.62 support: https://review.opendev.org/739223 (in gate now)14:10
rosmaitarelease note for victoria: https://review.opendev.org/751779 (has one +2)14:10
rosmaitaupdate functional test jobs to use victoria python runtimes: https://review.opendev.org/752223 (needs reviews)14:10
rosmaita^^ is not essential, but would have to be backported anyway, so let's do it now14:11
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rosmaitasmcginnis: i have a question about one of your patches: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/734615/14:11
rosmaitait may have been superseded by gmann's https://review.opendev.org/#/c/743082/14:11
rosmaitabut if you could let me know what you think about that, it would be helpful14:12
smcginnisrosmaita: Yeah, I'll abandon that.14:13
smcginnisThough I still don't agree with the other direction. :)14:13
rosmaitathat's all for cinderclient ... hopefully the gate will cooperate and we can get it released today14:13
rosmaitanext release will be next week, cinder RC-1 for victoria14:14
rosmaitawe have two patches that need to merge before friday (they have FFEs)14:14
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/741327/14:14
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/737707/14:14
whoami-rajat__rosmaita: the release patch for client doesn't have 3.62 in features https://review.opendev.org/#/c/751779/2/releasenotes/notes/victoria-release-0d9c2b43845c3d9e.yaml ?14:14
rosmaitawhoami-rajat__: because it's in your patch14:15
rosmaitadon't worry i checked14:15
whoami-rajat__oh ok14:15
rosmaitait's based on your patch, so if you look at the releasenotes job in HTML, you should see them all together14:15
rosmaitaok, so the two reviews above are TOP PRIORITY14:16
rosmaitai think geguileo and i have https://review.opendev.org/#/c/737707/ covered14:16
rosmaitabut https://review.opendev.org/#/c/741327/ needs some more eyes14:16
rosmaitauntil those get merged, other patches will not be getting much attention -- so if you want reviews, you need to give reviews14:17
rosmaitaboth those patches look really good, so we should be ready for RC-114:17
rosmaitawhen RC-1 is cut, the stable branch for victoria will be created14:18
rosmaitaafter that point, only release-critical bugs will be eligible for victoria (after they are merged to master)14:18
rosmaitai have noticed a lot of driver maintainers asking for reviews in #openstack-cinder14:19
rosmaitayou are all in the same boat14:19
rosmaitait will speed up reviews of your patches if you are reviewing other driver patches14:19
rosmaitathat is the way things work here in open source land14:19
smcginnis+114:19
rosmaitaok, simultaneous with RC-1 I'd like to get some stable releases out for ussuri and train14:20
tosky(hopefully review in a way that's it's not just "+1 with no comments if I've never reviewed before")14:20
jungleboyj+++14:20
rosmaitatosky: good point, we all appreciate quality reviews ... make sure you say something14:21
sfernand;lk14:21
rosmaitayou don't have to say something negative, but you can look at the code coverage and mention whether it's good or bad14:21
rosmaitathere are all sorts of helpful things14:21
rosmaitajust ask yourself, what kind of helpful comments would I like to get, and then leave those14:22
rosmaitaso back to stable releases14:22
rosmaitai've got patches up to put the most recent appropriate os-brick release into requirements and lower-constraints14:22
rosmaitathese make sure OSSN-0086 is fully addressed (it took 3 separate fixes, but i think we have it now)14:23
rosmaitathe changes to stable/train and stable/ussuri addressing the upgrade-to-ussuri bug have merged14:23
rosmaitaso that's another reason why i want to get these out14:23
rosmaitafinally, i would like to include backports of https://review.opendev.org/#/c/741498/ 14:23
rosmaitabut we will discuss that later in the meeting14:23
rosmaitaok that's all the announcements, which were kind of a lot14:24
jungleboyjrosmaita:  I think I got the OSSN related patches merged.  Or at least +2d14:24
rosmaitajungleboyj: great14:24
rosmaita#topic eharney's mypy (type checking) work14:24
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rosmaitaok, eric has been working on introducing type checking into our codebase14:24
rosmaitawhich will be very nice14:25
rosmaitabut he's in rebase hell until we merge them14:25
rosmaitaso i would like to propose this:14:25
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rosmaitawe should have a cinder hackday sometime between when stable/victoria is cut and before the PTG and get these done and into Wallaby before any feature development starts14:25
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rosmaitai think if we all focus and work on them in real time, that will be a big start14:25
e0nerosmaita: it's a good plan to follow14:26
rosmaitabut at this point i am scared to try to merge them into victoria14:26
e0nerosmaita: we'll have less merge conflicts once it will me merged14:26
rosmaitaright14:26
jungleboyjThat plan makes sense.14:26
eharneysounds good to me14:26
rosmaitai will put together some kind of poll so we can pick a day/time14:26
rosmaitabut not until next week14:27
rosmaita#action rosmaita poll for mypy hackday14:27
rosmaitai hope eharney is ok with that plan (i can't remember if i asked him)14:27
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eharneyyes :)14:27
rosmaitaexcellent14:27
rosmaitaok, just as a reminder, here are the main 2 patches14:28
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/733620/14:28
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/733621/14:28
rosmaitaand there was discussion at the virtual PTG and/or virtual midcycles, you can look in the summaries14:29
rosmaitalinks are at the top of the agenda page14:29
rosmaitajust so you can refresh yourself about what this mypy effort is all about14:29
rosmaita#topic Nimble multiattach support for rocky14:29
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rosmaitaajitha: that's you14:30
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ajitharosmaita:  yes14:30
e0neajitha: are you proposing to backport this patch https://review.opendev.org/#/c/740125/ to stable/rocky?14:31
rosmaitai think the question is can it be backported at all14:31
rosmaitabut the eventual destination will be rocky14:31
jungleboyjrosmaita:  No.14:31
ajithayes we have  customer requirement14:31
e0neI thinks, it's obvious that we'll put -2 on such packports14:32
rosmaitajungleboyj: i was thinking that too, but if you look at the patch, it seems more like a bugfix14:32
e0neajitha: I understand your customer needs, but we can't backport features14:32
jungleboyjLooking.14:32
rosmaitathe change is from a driver-specific way to say that you want multiattach to the common current cinder way to do it14:32
ajithaBefore supporting nimble multiattach from cinder, we do support the  multiattach from array side using multi-initiator extra-specs, recently we have removed the nimble extra-specs and included cinder way of multiattach because of bugs in the earlier multiattach operation.14:32
ajithahttps://docs.openstack.org/cinder/rocky/configuration/block-storage/drivers/nimble-volume-driver.html14:32
smcginnisAdding new driver functionality hasn't been considered a bugfix in the past.14:32
ajitha So this can be considered as  bug fix??14:32
e0nesmcginnis: +214:33
smcginnisUnless it was for core required (expected) functionality, which this is not.14:33
smcginnisThis would also require a volume type reconfiguration on a stable upgrade by dropping the existing vendor-specific multiattach and switching over to the standard multi-attach.14:34
jungleboyjI feel like we have had this argument for Multi-Attach before.14:34
smcginnisThis and others like it.14:34
e0ne"this feature doen't work because it doesn't exist" is not a bug report, it's a feature request14:34
rosmaitaok, i was not clear on this myself, that's why i wanted to open it up to the wider team14:34
rosmaitai believe it worked, you just had to configure it differently ... at least that's my understanding14:35
jungleboyjSo ... There is nothing that stops ajitha from proposing the backport and then making it available to their customers, but it that is the vendor's choice.  We can't merge it into the stable base as a community.14:36
whoami-rajat__i think the volume type extra specs change might cause some complications with the stable branches14:36
rosmaitaok, it sounds like most of the stable maint cores are dead set against this proposal, and for some good reasons14:37
smcginnisBy the way, there are some legitimate issues with the patch that merged to master that I commented on yesterday. Just raising visibility that those need to be fixed.14:37
jungleboyjYes.  Sorry.14:37
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++14:38
rosmaitaajitha: see smcginnis comment above ^^14:38
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rosmaitaajitha: it would be good to get the feature fixed in master before RC-1, so please concentrate on that14:38
ajithasmcginnis: yes sure. will update14:38
smcginnisThanks!14:38
rosmaitaok, next topic is another backport issue14:39
rosmaita#topic backport "Modify default/delete volume type logic" to ussuri and train?14:39
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ajitharosmaita:  ok sure. Thank you14:39
rosmaitawe started to talk about this last week, but didn't come to a consensus14:39
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/741498/14:39
rosmaitai believe it's a non-breaking change that will make the default volume-type behavior consistent from Train through Victoria14:40
rosmaitawhich would be a plus for operators and support people14:40
whoami-rajat__just to add, if people know about the rename "hack" to delete the __DEFAULT__ type, i think this will add more safety to prevent against untyped volumes14:41
rosmaitayeah, the cat is out of the bag on that one14:41
e0neI'm only concerned we we'll not break upgrades with it14:42
rosmaitae0ne: that is a good concern14:43
jungleboyj:-(  Bigger patch than I normally like to see backported, but I do see the value in doing so.14:43
rosmaitai think that the recent patches fixing the online migrations for Train (and also Ussuri, sort of) address this14:44
e0neit's definitely good to have this backported14:44
rosmaitai just found the links to the upgrade-bug patches14:45
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/74848214:46
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/74848114:46
rosmaitaok, so it sounds like backporting is not a bad idea14:46
rosmaitawhoami-rajat__: why don't you go ahead and propose a backport to U and if people have second thoughts they can be addressed in gerrit14:46
whoami-rajat__rosmaita: done14:47
rosmaita:D14:47
whoami-rajat__#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/752253/14:47
rosmaita#topic updates on the status of the last legacy job 14:47
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rosmaitatosky: that's you14:47
jungleboyjwhoami-rajat__:  :-)  What took so long?14:48
toskythere is just one job left, the multibackend matrix, which has proven to be a bit more tricky than usual14:48
toskyI have a WIP patch that at least executes all the combinations, even though it fails on one job and the overall result is incorrect: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/751579/14:48
toskyWhat's missing is the reporting part, but luckily it should be possible with some ansible trickery with redefining facts.14:48
toskyMy main point here is that this should hopefully be merged before branching rc1 (it can always be backported, but...) so when the releases.git patch is created, let's try to see if we can have that in, if I manage to complete the porting (it doesn't matter whether it fails, as it's experimental and it fails right now as well).14:48
toskyIn the meantime any comment - and help on understanding the failures - is more than welcome.14:48
rosmaitacongratulations and thanks for getting this down to 1 job!14:48
* whoami-rajat__ had the mouse hovered over cherry pick waiting for agreement jungleboyj 14:49
jungleboyj++14:49
rosmaitatosky: i think we should add this to the priorities list for RC-114:49
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/751579/14:50
rosmaitaso even though this is marked WIP, it is important to the project14:50
rosmaitaso let's all pitch in and try to help tosky out here14:50
rosmaitathanks, tosky ... anything else?14:51
toskythat's all from me14:51
rosmaita#topic open discussion14:51
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rosmaitai will be on a brief vacation starting at 1600 utc today14:51
jungleboyjCool.14:52
rosmaitai will check in occasionally, but other than looking at the priority reviews will not do much stacking14:52
jungleboyjOut the rest of the week?14:52
rosmaitayes, will be back bright and early monday morning14:52
jungleboyjCool.  Taking some time off is even more important right now.14:53
jungleboyj#MentalHealth14:53
lseki++14:53
rosmaitayes, i am really feeling it14:53
rosmaita:)14:53
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Will take care of everything for you.  ;-)14:54
Liang__rosmaita: have a good rest:)14:54
smcginnisHah14:54
rosmaitathat reminds me, i need to do the cycle highlights before i leave14:54
rosmaitaLiang__: ty14:54
lsekitardy thanks for the congrats, folks :-D14:55
jungleboyjrosmaita: ++14:55
lsekiso probably I'll start bothering people with dumb questions, in order to understand some core patches14:55
lsekiplease be patient14:55
jungleboyjlseki:  No worries.14:55
whoami-rajat__lseki: i missed the initial part, congratulations :)14:56
jungleboyjWe will share the hive mind .14:56
rosmaitayes, for anyone who came in late, lseki is the newest cinder core14:56
rosmaitacongratulations!14:56
Liang__lseki: your English is very good14:57
whoami-rajat__rosmaita: that reminds me, i am not the newest anymore14:57
rosmaitafor anyone interested in seeing how someone can review other people's drivers, look up some of lseki's recent reviews for some good pointers14:57
rosmaitawhoami-rajat__: you are becoming a cinder old man14:57
geguileolol14:57
rosmaitaand actually, you were a cinder core before me!14:57
whoami-rajat__oh, the way I'm forgetting things, surely getting old :P14:58
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jungleboyj:-)  How do you think that makes eharney feel?  ;-)14:58
rosmaitain any case, it is definitely good to have someone new aboard14:58
eharney:)14:58
rosmaitaok, we are out of time ... thanks everyone, and happy reviewing!14:59
rosmaita#endmeeting15:00
whoami-rajat__thanks!15:00
lsekithank you all15:00
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jungleboyjThanks!  Happy vacation!15:00
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e0ne#startmeeting horizon15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 16 15:00:15 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is e0ne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'horizon'15:00
rdopierabonjour15:00
vishalmanchandahi15:00
e0nehi15:00
tmazuro/15:01
e0nelet's start15:03
e0ne#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/horizon-release-priorities15:03
e0ne#topic Notices15:03
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e0nenew TC/PTL election season will start next week15:04
e0ne#linkt http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-September/017306.html15:04
e0ne#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-September/017306.html15:04
e0nedon't forget to propose your candidacy if you're going to15:05
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e0nethis cycle is going very fast, so it's not a big amount of time to do it15:05
e0newe'll reach Victoria RC1 next week15:07
e0ne#link https://releases.openstack.org/victoria/schedule.html#v-rc115:07
e0nesince horizon has 'cycle-with-intermediary' release model, we'll don't cut usual RC but we'll cut stable/victoria release15:08
e0newe're in a Feature Freeze timeframe now, so cores, please, don't merge any new features until we'll create stable/victoria branch15:09
e0ne#topic Victoria release15:10
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e0newe merged features we've planned for V release15:10
e0neit was mostly patches made by vishalmanchanda15:11
e0nevishalmanchanda: thanks for your contributions!15:11
e0neit would be great to have merged  few patches more for Error messages refactoring15:11
e0ne#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/749739/15:11
e0ne#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/752016/15:11
vishalmanchandaThanks everyone for helping me in that either with reviews/suggestion or with commit.15:12
e0neplease, put these patches on top of your review list15:12
e0nehttps://review.opendev.org/#/c/752016/ is a kind of workaround for now :(15:13
e0neI'me going to make some refactoring early in the next cycle15:13
e0nebut this fix would be good to have in, because it makes UX better15:13
vishalmanchandae0ne: +1.15:13
e0neplease, ping me if you know anymore release-critical bugs15:16
e0neI want to mention that any horizon testing is welcome especially before the release15:17
e0nethat's all update I have this week15:19
e0ne#topic Open Discussion15:19
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rdopierashould we talk about that e-mail about horizon.next?15:19
e0nerdopiera: oh.. I'm writing an answer now..15:20
e0nerdopiera: I want to discuss it during the PTG15:20
e0nerdopiera: we started this topic few times, so I'm going to collect all notes from irc logs and etherpads before we start one more bike-shedding session15:21
rdopierapersonally I think it's extremely unrealistic to expect an intern with no prior experience with openstack or large projects to be able to write it in 30 hours a week in any reasonable time frame15:22
e0nerdopiera: feel free to drop a note to the mail list if you have any thought15:22
e0nerdopiera: fair enough15:23
rdopierahowever, if we managed to attract more developers, especially with experience , this could be a start15:23
rdopieraI'm ready to provide advice and reviews, but not the kind of supervision that an intern would require15:23
e0nerdopiera: +1. that's what I'm thinking about15:24
vishalmanchandaI can also share my experience if required.15:25
tmazur+115:25
vishalmanchandae0ne: any update on this patch https://review.opendev.org/#/c/730288/.15:27
e0nelet's collect our ideas in the https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/horizon-w-ptg15:27
vishalmanchandae0ne: Is your patch fixes the issue partially?15:28
e0nevishalmanchanda: unfortunately, not15:28
vishalmanchandae0ne: ohh.15:28
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vishalmanchandae0ne: ok. I will also investigate how can we fix it.15:30
e0nevishalmanchanda: thanks15:31
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e0nedo we have anything more to discuss?15:33
vishalmanchandanothing from me.15:33
tmazurnothing from my side15:34
rdopieraNIL15:34
e0neok, let's wrap up the meeting and enjoy the rest of the day15:35
e0nesee you next week15:35
e0ne#endmeeting15:35
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