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gagehugo#startmeeting openstack-helm15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May  5 15:00:42 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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stevthedevo/15:00
gagehugo#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/openstack-helm-weekly-meeting agenda15:00
alevineprogmatico/15:00
lamt\o15:01
alevineprogmaticHi all, where do I add a question I wanted to ask? In the agenda there is only 2020-04-2815:01
gagehugosorry I failed to update for today15:02
alevineprogmaticI can ask here, no problem15:02
gagehugoupdated15:02
gagehugoand here is good too15:02
alevineprogmaticSo the question I have is in regard to the integration of Tungsten Fabric with OpenStack Helm. Namely, the review https://review.opendev.org/#/c/663390/15:03
alevineprogmaticBasically, what is required to get integrated and approved exactly? We have our own all-in-one single node deployment which we could easily add to any CI.15:04
gagehugolet me check portdirect's comments15:05
gagehugoI believe he just wants some form of testing done on the CI to verify that it works15:08
gagehugoin zuul I mean15:08
alevineprogmaticI agree with that. The question is what exactly is required from us15:08
alevineprogmaticWhat kind of testing would suffice and how to integrate our stuff?15:09
gagehugoAdding an experimental check in zuul would be a good first step imo15:10
alevineprogmaticYes, but what would that check? And how to add it?15:11
gagehugoIt would verify that the changes in that ps work as intended from an upstream perspective, and to add a check job involves modifying the files under zuul.d/ to add it, where the other checks/jobs live15:13
gagehugoI believe portdirect also mentioned some documentation on the TF backend as well would be good15:14
alevineprogmaticDo we have to deploy Tungsten Fabric to check that? In that case it would take some time and a machine (VM) with 32GB memory.15:14
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gagehugoIn some way preferably to verify that it works as intended15:15
alevineprogmaticThere is different documentation but I don't think there is any specific for Helm deployment so the question is exactly what kind of documentation is required? For what audience? With what kind of details? About what? Deployment? Production? Development? What is the acceptable bare minimum?15:16
alevineprogmaticThis I understand but as I said, is there a 32GB VM available with Centos 7.x to run the deployment?15:16
alevineprogmaticAnd it deploys Helm OpenStack as well so it takes quite a time. What is the acceptable time?15:17
gagehugoOSH has documentation,  if there is existing docs somewhere at the very least linking to that would be acceptable.15:19
alevineprogmaticOk. Got it about the documentation. What about the rest of the questions?15:19
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gagehugoWe would need to check with infra about that15:19
gagehugoTF has a hard requirement for centos and 32gb ram?15:20
alevineprogmaticI see in zuul.d jobs for deployment of various charts but Tungsten Fabric is a neutron/nova/heat networking backend so we'll have to deploy everything, I guess? And also we'd have to pull external git repos for TF and devtools for deployment and the product15:20
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alevineprogmaticUbuntu is also ok, but less than 24GB is risky15:20
alevineprogmaticBut Ubuntu will work longer because kernel driver gets built on this platform which takes time15:21
gagehugohmm ok15:22
alevineprogmaticSo as you see I have whole lot of questions. I tried to contact portdirect in slack but he didn't respond. In order to resolve this quick enough is there any other way to communicate with some of you guys who would help resolving all of these as we go?15:22
alevineprogmaticIdeally I show what we have and you tell us how to best integrate it15:23
gagehugoI don't think a lot of us are active in the k8s slack, usually we respond to IRC pings in the openstack-helm channel15:23
alevineprogmaticI came to openstack-helm 40 minutes ago - it's office hours I guess - nobody responded15:23
gagehugooffice hours aren't really a thing anymore afaik15:24
gagehugothey might be stuck in a meeting right now15:24
alevineprogmaticOk when can I ry?t15:24
alevineprogmatic"try"15:24
gagehugoI can ping him later15:24
alevineprogmaticAnd what to do about "We would need to check with infra about that"?15:24
gagehugoI'm not sure what image flavors are available atm15:25
alevineprogmaticIs there any concept of "unit tests" for helm charts? We've got several small additions to some of them15:25
lamthttps://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/labels are all the nodes infra has15:25
gagehugo^15:26
alevineprogmaticThat'll do.15:26
alevineprogmaticSo what about "unit" tests?15:26
gagehugoMost charts have either rally testing scripts or manual verification scripts to check if things are working as intended15:27
gagehugolemme find an example15:27
alevineprogmaticsure15:28
gagehugohttps://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm/blob/master/tools/deployment/developer/common/900-use-it.sh is what the compute gates run to test15:28
alevineprogmaticAnd how would it work for pulling external gits for that?15:28
alevineprogmaticThe above link has smoke test for checking openstack deployment. That returns us to the questions - should we deploy whole TF, how do we pull external gits, what about long time for checking, etc15:30
alevineprogmaticA15:30
gagehugoyou can pull in dockerhub images in the check15:30
alevineprogmaticAny test which requires correctly deployed openstack is a long story15:30
alevineprogmaticdockerhub images of what?15:30
alevineprogmaticOf openstack containers?15:31
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alevineprogmaticThat's exactly what we do, yes, but we have tf-devstack in github which does that and that takes quite the time. Up to 1 hour15:31
gagehugo1 hour to deploy?15:31
gagehugodevstack takes quite a long time to run in general though15:32
alevineprogmaticMaybe less. But how much time does Openstack helm deploys as a whole? More than 30 mins15:32
alevineprogmaticAdd TF to it and you'll get somewhere between 30-60 mins.15:32
gagehugoYou can specify the timeout to accommodate that in zuul15:33
gagehugothe compute check jobs take ~1 hour15:33
gagehugoand that's all the openstack services sans cinder15:33
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alevineprogmaticSo are we ok to add 1 hour more to it?15:34
alevineprogmaticOr rather in parallel15:34
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gagehugoI would add it and see what it runs15:34
gagehugotime*15:35
roman_galevineprogmatic: there are 32GB nodes avaialble for tests in OpenDev Zuul CI. However, if possible, try to use several smaller VMs, not all-in-one installation.15:36
alevineprogmaticSo  let me sum it up: you suggest to add to zuul.d a job which would git clone our tf-devstack, then invoke it to run deployment of Openstack Helm with TF and then to somehow verify that it's deployed, am I right?15:36
gagehugono15:37
gagehugonot devstack15:37
alevineprogmaticroman_g, sorry, won't help much.15:37
alevineprogmaticOk, then simply helm chart install? We'll have to add some overrides so we'll copy our code. tf-devstack is not Openstack's devstack - it's a part of our test suite.15:38
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gagehugoah ok15:39
gagehugoI see now, looking at the repo15:39
alevineprogmaticOk. I got you. Now we have something to start with. I guess next review should be for zuul.d15:40
alevineprogmaticThank you.15:40
gagehugoyes, add the appropriate overrides15:41
gagehugoalevineprogmatic: anything else you want to discuss?15:41
alevineprogmaticThat's all for now. Thanks15:41
gagehugo#topic open discussion15:43
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gagehugoDoes anyone else have anything they want to discuss?15:43
gagehugothanks everyone, have a good rest of the week15:47
gagehugo#endmeeting15:47
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knikolla#startmeeting keystone17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May  5 17:00:04 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is knikolla. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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cmurphyo/17:00
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knikollai almost lost track of time17:00
gagehugoo/17:00
vishakhao/17:01
knikollahow's everyone?17:01
bnemeco/17:01
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cmurphypretty good, it's going to be 80F here this weekend17:02
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gagehugoonly ~60F here this weekend :(17:03
knikollait's been pretty gorgeous here too for the past few days.17:03
knikolladefinitely makes working harder.17:03
knikolla#topic Announcements17:04
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knikollaThis week is the deadline to request slots for the PTG17:05
knikollaEnd of Day I will go ahead and reserve slots according to the poll17:05
knikollaIt seems like Thu-Fri is what worked best for us17:05
knikollaAnd those days were pretty open in the ethercal as well, so it should not be a problem17:05
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cmurphysounds good17:06
knikollaHow many hours do you think we need?17:07
gagehugo~3ish/day?17:08
knikollaSounds about right. There isn't a lot of items on the agenda.17:10
cmurphythe schedule is in 4 hour blocks so maybe one 4 hour block with a break in the middle, for two days?17:11
gagehugoDo we want to do separate times per day to maximize availability17:12
gagehugoas well?17:12
knikollathe same time on both days were the only times that had everyone voting yes on the poll17:13
gagehugoah ok17:14
knikollaWe can advertise that if people need to talk to the team, they can show up on IRC and we can jump on a conference call or smth17:17
knikollaoutside of those times17:17
cmurphy++17:17
knikollaokay, i filled the ethercal with 1PM-5PM UTC on Thu and Fri.17:19
vishakha+117:20
knikollaalright, in the coming weeks i'll polish up the agenda, so make sure to add items before i start putting them into schedules17:21
knikolla#topic Review Requests17:22
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vishakha#link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:update-onboarding17:22
vishakhaThese are the patches for updates in the onboarding documents17:23
vishakha#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/725034/  Remove func not in use in test_service_provider17:23
cmurphy#link https://review.opendev.org/63221317:25
cmurphyi cleaned up and rechecked ayoung's patch ^17:25
knikollacmurphy: wonder why that does the html by hand rather than using a flask template17:27
cmurphyknikolla: hmm i didn't know there was such a thing, feel free to suggest a better way on the review17:28
knikollai'll have a look at it17:29
knikolla#topic Bug Duty17:31
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knikollaI was on bug duty17:32
knikollaI don't think I saw any new bugs opened17:32
knikollaNext person on bug duty is vishakha17:33
knikollaAnyone wants to take after?17:33
vishakhaThanks knikolla for the reminder17:33
knikollaalright, i'll take it again then17:36
knikolla#topic Open Floor17:36
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alistarleHi, I implement a first POC of unified limit for glance, based on what was done for nova, and I have some question before submiting the code and the spec to the glance team17:37
alistarleFirst of all, It is mandatory to specify an endpoint_id in oslo_limit configuration part otherwise the enforcer won’t work, I find that surprising to hardcode an ID in glance_api.conf (https://github.com/openstack/oslo.limit/blob/master/oslo_limit/limit.py#L178), is it expected ?17:38
cmurphyalistarle: we discussed using service name + region instead of endpoint id but haven't implemented it yet, background on that discussion is here https://review.opendev.org/#/c/666085/17:40
cmurphywe'd welcome that contribution17:41
alistarleOk great, I will work on that then in addition to my glance patch17:41
alistarleservice name + region seems logical to me17:42
alistarleanother question is who is in charge to setup the initial registered limit ? The service itself ? I see nothing about that in keystone spec or in the nova implementation poc : https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bp/unified-limits-nova+(status:open+OR+status:merged)17:42
alistarlecurrently I have to setup it manually at the same time that creating the service user, but if I omit that, enforcer are failing too17:43
cmurphyalistarle: in the nova case they were discussing using a keystone-manage/nova-manage command to export limits from nova and import them into keystone, that's not been implemented yet on the keystone side and i'm not sure where they are on the nova side, so for the moment the operator has to do it manually17:44
alistarleHmmm ok, so it must be included at the deployer level maybe, like tripleO/kolla-ansible..., not inside projects right ?17:45
alistarleIt means that using by default unified limits are complicated, because it require some orchestration in the deployer17:46
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cmurphyi think yes that was where we landed at least to start with, the projects would have to express the registered limits they need and have the operator or deployment tool run a command to register them17:48
cmurphyyou might consult johnthetubaguy or lbragstad who might remember better than me17:48
alistarleOk thanks I will check with them17:48
lbragstadcmurphy that sounds right17:48
alistarleAnd another question is I understand that unified limit allow customer to consult and ops to set a limit, but what about consulting the current usage ? In nova I understand they will use the placement API for that but in glance there is nothing about limit yet, so should we add new API path only for consulting quota usage ?17:49
alistarleAdding a new API path to consult your usage and not the limit seems weird, and making a proxy from glance to keystone to query the limits seems even worse17:50
cmurphyalistarle: exposing usage will be up to the service, not keystone17:51
cmurphyi thought the placement API was going to be used by more services than just nova, if glance used it wouldn't that take care of itself?17:52
alistarleHmmm maybe you're right, I didn't think about that, I will deep dive that way17:53
alistarleAnd my last question about something I found, enforcing and creating unified limits require the « system_scope = all » to work, does it mean the glance service account must have this system_scope ?17:53
alistarleby default, service account does "only" have the admin role on the service project17:54
cmurphycreating the limits requires system scope but querying the limits should be doable by anyone regardless of scope17:56
alistarleIn fact we need to add a system_scope role to the glance user to be able to list other projects limit17:57
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alistarleotherwise, if in oslo_limit you specify a project to log in, you won't be able to see others project limit, they will only have the registered limit17:58
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cmurphyah that is true, you will have to give the service user at least the 'reader' role on the system scope17:59
knikollawe can continue this at #openstack-keystone18:00
cmurphyalistarle: feel free to bring us any other questions any time in #openstack-keystone18:00
knikollathanks everyone18:00
knikolla#endmeeting18:00
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vishakhathanks knikolla18:00
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