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| amotoki | #startmeeting horizon | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 18 15:01:58 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amotoki. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 15:02 |
| amotoki | hi | 15:02 |
| e0ne | hi | 15:02 |
| hrw | o/ | 15:02 |
| amotoki | vishal does not join today | 15:02 |
| amotoki | I think we can start | 15:03 |
| amotoki | #topic notices/annoucements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "notices/annoucements (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:03 | |
| amotoki | as usual, Ussuri-3 is the week of Apr 6 | 15:03 |
| amotoki | it is three weeks away | 15:03 |
| amotoki | in addition, victoria PTL nomination will start next week | 15:04 |
| amotoki | I am feeling burning out in horizon a bit so I am not sure nominate myself again. | 15:04 |
| amotoki | it's 50% | 15:04 |
| e0ne | amotoki: are you going to nominate yourself? | 15:04 |
| e0ne | :( | 15:04 |
| e0ne | btw, TC is talking about getting rid of PTL role | 15:05 |
| amotoki | yeah, I see that ML thread | 15:05 |
| amotoki | more responsible I try to be, less time i can spend others..... | 15:05 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/712696/ | 15:06 |
| amotoki | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-March/thread.html#12950 | 15:07 |
| amotoki | all feedback should now go to the review e0ne posted | 15:07 |
| amotoki | any other thing to be shared? | 15:08 |
| e0ne | just a reminder about PTG | 15:08 |
| e0ne | #link https://www.openstack.org/events/covid-19-coronavirus-disease-updates | 15:08 |
| e0ne | it's supposed to be in Vancouver | 15:09 |
| e0ne | but probably we'll virtual PTG this time :( | 15:09 |
| amotoki | I think so too | 15:09 |
| e0ne | we just discussed it during the cinder meeting | 15:09 |
| amotoki | in openstack-discuss ML, there are ongoing discussion on virtual events | 15:11 |
| amotoki | I believe we can collect best practices on virtual events :) | 15:11 |
| amotoki | okay, moving on | 15:11 |
| amotoki | I would like to discuss further steps on pyscss problem first | 15:11 |
| amotoki | #topic further steps on pyscss | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "further steps on pyscss (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:12 | |
| e0ne | oh.. good topic | 15:12 |
| hrw | ;) | 15:12 |
| amotoki | thanks e0ne for forking pyscss and make the gate healthy again | 15:12 |
| e0ne | amotoki: it's only for master | 15:13 |
| amotoki | I summarized potential topics on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-release-priorities | 15:13 |
| amotoki | See around L.23 | 15:13 |
| hrw | e0ne: there was a patch for train iirc | 15:13 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/713640/2 | 15:13 |
| amotoki | the first one is about stable branches | 15:13 |
| amotoki | the main problem in stable branches is whether we should change the dependencies. | 15:14 |
| e0ne | I would like to see setuptools cap in stable upper-constraints | 15:14 |
| amotoki | in distros, I guess they use setuptools <46 and pyscss and django-pyscss works | 15:14 |
| amotoki | Changing the requirements is fairly a big impact. | 15:15 |
| hrw | unless you use virtualenv as then you need to remember to downgrade setuptools | 15:15 |
| e0ne | hrw: +1 | 15:15 |
| amotoki | hrw: yes | 15:15 |
| hrw | and move to pyscss2 in stable just means add line to requirements | 15:15 |
| amotoki | the problem is that tox tries to install the latest setuptools when creating a vevn | 15:15 |
| hrw | as code is more or less the same | 15:15 |
| amotoki | s/vevn/venv/ | 15:15 |
| e0ne | hrw: not only. it affects all vendors who do packaging | 15:15 |
| hrw | e0ne: add code to handle both? | 15:16 |
| e0ne | it's a good option | 15:16 |
| hrw | as kind of backward compatibility | 15:16 |
| e0ne | but I'm not sure how can we do it | 15:16 |
| hrw | try import pyscss2 except ImportError import pyscss? | 15:17 |
| hrw | but I never used pyscss so no idea how it works/gets used | 15:17 |
| e0ne | pyscss2 package hase the same python API | 15:17 |
| amotoki | hrw: pyscss2 also provides 'pyscss' module too. | 15:17 |
| hrw | right | 15:17 |
| hrw | so basically it does not matter which one distro provides | 15:18 |
| e0ne | we can create pyscss2 module and use import-try-except pattern, but I don't like this solution, TBH | 15:18 |
| hrw | e0ne: yeah. ugly | 15:18 |
| e0ne | it would be good to discuss this with requirements tesm | 15:19 |
| e0ne | *team | 15:19 |
| amotoki | how about clarifying problems we see first before discussing pyscss vs pyscss2? | 15:19 |
| amotoki | I see two problems in stable/train at least. | 15:19 |
| amotoki | the one is ONLY py37 job fails, while py36 job succeeds. | 15:19 |
| amotoki | the other is tox -e py36 in local envs usually fails | 15:20 |
| amotoki | as tox picks up setuptools 46 | 15:20 |
| amotoki | do you see something other? | 15:20 |
| amotoki | i haven't checked stable/stein cases. | 15:21 |
| e0ne | I didn't check why only py37 fails | 15:22 |
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| amotoki | e0ne: yeah, me neither | 15:22 |
| amotoki | that's the point I need to ask the infra team. | 15:22 |
| e0ne | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/713678/ - patch to test stable/stein | 15:22 |
| amotoki | perhaps py36 job uses setuptools <46 | 15:22 |
| e0ne | in our downstream CI, we faced this issue for train with py3[6,7] and pep8 jobs :( | 15:23 |
| amotoki | I will ask the difference in #-infra channel or ML after the meeting | 15:23 |
| amotoki | e0ne: that's a same problem as the second one from mine (tox failure in local envs) | 15:24 |
| e0ne | :( | 15:25 |
| amotoki | I think we need to clarify the folowing points: | 15:26 |
| amotoki | (1) is there a way to pin setuptools <46 with tox | 15:26 |
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| amotoki | (2) requirements change in stable branches is possible or not. what is the right way? | 15:27 |
| e0ne | amotoki: there is no setuptools in the upper-constraints | 15:27 |
| hrw | virtualenv is created before u-c comes | 15:27 |
| amotoki | (3) related to (1), what is the magic in the opendev.org env (regarding to py36) | 15:28 |
| e0ne | amotoki: I'm going to ask (2) to requirements team | 15:28 |
| hrw | and venv usually includes setuptools | 15:28 |
| e0ne | hrw: oh.. thanks for mentioning it! now it's obvious why it's not in u-c | 15:28 |
| amotoki | e0ne: yeah, tox creates a virtualenv first and you can see xxx-1.log in tox logs | 15:29 |
| amotoki | for example https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/79fd8706518844f59bba9dbd03cac9b6/log/tox/py37-0.log | 15:29 |
| e0ne | I missed it:( | 15:29 |
| hrw | basically each job with venv needs do "pip install setuptools<46" after creating venv | 15:30 |
| amotoki | "/usr/bin/python3 -m virtualenv" fetches setuptools=latest (default) unless setuptools arg is specified. | 15:30 |
| amotoki | hrw: yeah, exactly | 15:30 |
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| amotoki | we can have a dirty workaround which creates a virtualenv with empty requirements with setuptools<46 first and then install requirements | 15:32 |
| hrw | for now we (kolla) pin setuptools to <46 in master and train | 15:32 |
| e0ne | it sounds reasonable | 15:32 |
| hrw | ok, sent revert of it in master for review | 15:33 |
| amotoki | so perhaps it looks like the first thing is to ask suggestions on the requirements team | 15:34 |
| e0ne | +1 | 15:35 |
| amotoki | and another action item is to try a workaround | 15:35 |
| amotoki | e0ne: I can ask it tomorrow, but you can do it | 15:35 |
| amotoki | if you start the discussion | 15:35 |
| e0ne | I'll ping them now | 15:36 |
| amotoki | cool | 15:36 |
| amotoki | apart from a thing on stable branches, we need to explore the future direction on scss compiler. | 15:37 |
| amotoki | (L.27 on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-release-priorities) | 15:37 |
| e0ne | an ideal solution, it to switch to some npm-based packages | 15:38 |
| amotoki | yeah, like webpack | 15:38 |
| e0ne | but it requires a lot of efforts | 15:39 |
| amotoki | I don't know current distros like RHOSP handles multiple versions of JS modules. | 15:39 |
| amotoki | this is the only reason we use xstatic....... | 15:40 |
| e0ne | debian-based distros don't use all xstatic | 15:40 |
| amotoki | what approach do they use? | 15:40 |
| e0ne | https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=libjs | 15:41 |
| e0ne | amotoki: I can't say about all vendors and discros | 15:41 |
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| amotoki | e0ne: no problem | 15:42 |
| amotoki | a single person cannot know all | 15:42 |
| e0ne | even fro deb-based somebody could use own xstatic deb packages | 15:42 |
| e0ne | rdopiera: are you around? we need some kind of RH support | 15:42 |
| amotoki | even with debian-based distros, they use a single version of JS libraries. | 15:42 |
| amotoki | npm based approach leads to multiple versions of JS libraries in a single system. | 15:43 |
| e0ne | +1 | 15:43 |
| amotoki | that's very different point from the current approach. | 15:43 |
| e0ne | yes, it is | 15:43 |
| amotoki | for a short/mid term I think we cannot drop django integration of scss compiler. | 15:44 |
| e0ne | +1 | 15:44 |
| e0ne | it required by bootstrap | 15:44 |
| amotoki | there are two scss/sass compilers as far as I checked. | 15:44 |
| e0ne | even if we change everything to less, it's pretty late to do it in U | 15:45 |
| amotoki | which is required by bootstrap? | 15:45 |
| amotoki | scss? | 15:45 |
| e0ne | we use scss in xstatic-bootstrap | 15:46 |
| amotoki | got it. | 15:46 |
| amotoki | we forked pyscss but my understanding is we don't want to maintain scss compiler. | 15:46 |
| e0ne | #linke https://review.opendev.org/#/c/710865/ | 15:46 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/710865/ | 15:47 |
| amotoki | libsass (C/C++ lib) and python-libsass looks maintained well, so I am exploring a possibility to migrate to one of them. | 15:48 |
| e0ne | amotoki: I'm going to maintain forked packages at least I'll be involved in openstack development and it'll be used by horizon | 15:48 |
| amotoki | e0ne: including scss compiler features? | 15:48 |
| e0ne | amotoki: it's a good question | 15:49 |
| amotoki | at least we blocked pyScss 1.3.5 in global-requirements | 15:49 |
| amotoki | due to horizon requirements | 15:49 |
| e0ne | yes. horizon can't work with the latest pyScss :( | 15:49 |
| e0ne | it fails to compile scss | 15:49 |
| amotoki | I added some links to the etherpad for my memory | 15:50 |
| amotoki | IMHO, the very short term solution is to make horizon work with pyscss2 and we can explore alternatives during it. | 15:51 |
| e0ne | amotoki: +1 | 15:51 |
| amotoki | thanks | 15:52 |
| amotoki | I don't want to go to the route same as for mox3 and nose-htmloutput..... i.e. to maintain our own forks.. | 15:52 |
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| e0ne | amotoki, hrw:https://github.com/Kronuz/pyScss/pull/386#issuecomment-600710059 | 15:53 |
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| hrw | wow! | 15:54 |
| amotoki | sounds a good news :) | 15:54 |
| hrw | e0ne: apply for it as you use it | 15:54 |
| hrw | I just fixed setuptools/CI and have no idea what the project is | 15:54 |
| e0ne | hrw: :) | 15:55 |
| hrw | I am mastering drive-by-coding | 15:55 |
| amotoki | e0ne: hrw: it would be better to clarify our positions that we just try to work it in the latest python world even if you will be part of the maintainers. | 15:55 |
| hrw | or that | 15:56 |
| e0ne | amotoki: so probably we'll just release a new pyScss and fix horizon to work with it | 15:56 |
| amotoki | yeah | 15:56 |
| hrw | commented | 15:58 |
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| amotoki | we still have a problem with the latest pyscss, so if we can succeed to handle our SCSS with python-libsass it would be a good alternative. | 15:58 |
| e0ne | amotoki: +1 | 15:59 |
| amotoki | so I will still continue to explore another way too. | 15:59 |
| hrw | thanks | 15:59 |
| hrw | anything maintained will be better | 15:59 |
| amotoki | +1000 | 15:59 |
| e0ne | hrw: +2 | 15:59 |
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| amotoki | okay, we are time to finish the meeting. one hour passed. | 16:00 |
| amotoki | it was a good discussion | 16:00 |
| amotoki | thanks for joining | 16:00 |
| amotoki | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 18 16:00:41 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2020/horizon.2020-03-18-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| hrw | thanks | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2020/horizon.2020-03-18-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2020/horizon.2020-03-18-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| hrw | have a nice day folks | 16:00 |
| amotoki | you too | 16:00 |
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