Tuesday, 2020-01-07

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hrwmorning07:56
ricolino/07:57
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xinliangmorning07:57
ricolinmulti-arch will have our initial meetup in 3 mins, feel free to join:)07:58
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ricolinas it's initial, no much formed agenda there, so add whatever you like in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Multi-Arch-agenda :)07:59
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ricolin#startmeeting multi_arch08:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jan  7 08:00:35 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:00
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ricolin#topic roll call08:00
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hrwo/08:00
ricolin\o/08:00
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ricolinianw_pto, is on pto so he's not likely join this time08:01
ricolinI think tonyb might be as well:)08:01
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ricolinThe SIG propose is landed yesterday08:03
ricolinhttps://governance.openstack.org/sigs/08:03
ricolin#link https://governance.openstack.org/sigs/08:03
ricolinso we're official now08:03
ricolin#topic greeting08:04
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hrwcool08:04
hrwso the simple question: which archs this sig covers? other than arm6408:04
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ricolinhrw, I put following words in initial goal of SIG08:05
ricolinAt first stage: We aim to reach better coverage for ARM support in OpenStack.08:05
ricolinThis includes documents, test jobs, tracking issues, and building ecosystem.08:05
ricolinWe also welcome other architecture to join and triggering tasks.08:05
hrwok08:06
ricolinthe scope on sigs page defined as follow08:06
ricolinThis SIG aim to reach better coverage for multiple architecture support in OpenStack. This includes provide documents, building test jobs, tracking issues, and building ecosystem for multiple architecture.08:06
ricolinhrw, do you have any other arch. in your mind that we maybe can get people and resources on it too?08:07
hrwricolin: I would love to see someone with ppc64le resources ;D08:07
kevinzI know that jchen from IBM are working with S390x08:08
kevinzBut he is not here today08:08
hrwok, so to arm64...08:09
ricolinhrw, maybe we can ask around with ML to see who whould like to join us and work on ppc64le08:09
hrwsure08:09
hrwsomeone other than linaro with resources?08:09
ricolinis there any works you know already targeting ppc64le in OpenStack?08:10
ricolinhrw, we're also try to ask Huawei too08:10
hrwricolin: other than kolla having some kind of ppc64le support no08:10
ricolinKunluncloud is also checking if they can provide their new resources out08:11
hrwwould be great as for now there are just 8 nodes08:11
ricolinand big thanks to ianw_pto to make a separate pipeline for them:)08:12
hrwricolin: it was quite a discussion on how to handle it ;D08:12
hrwI suggested separate queue to not have main jobs blocked and then separate pipeline was suggested08:13
ricolinoh, also kevinz is working on provide another group of resources to OpenStack community too08:13
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ricolinkevinz, how's that working for you?:)08:14
kevinzAha, that resource is almost ready08:15
ricolinhrw, is there anywhere I can see the discussion? which I can learn more on the history:)08:15
kevinzI'm working on the ssl certificate, and reconfigure08:15
kevinzAfter that Openstack-infra team can use it08:15
hrwricolin: #openstack-infra logs08:15
* ricolin think we should switch topic:)08:16
ricolin#topic SIG initial setup08:16
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hrwricolin: 2019.12.11 irc log08:16
ricolinthanks!08:16
ricolinkevinz, that's great news!08:17
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kevinzThanks08:19
kevinzthe cluster will offer about 400 vcpu08:19
ricolinthat's huge improve to what we have08:20
hrwkevinz: 50 8vcpu nodes? :D08:21
kevinz9 * 46 I, but in the first phase will be 8*4608:21
kevinzThe other 2 nodes, one is as a operation node, they other is served as a router08:22
hrwsure08:22
kevinzCentriq 240008:22
hrwo. another set of not existing machines ;d08:23
hrwnice 46 core machines.08:24
kevinzyes sure, hope more and more resources will join08:24
ricolinkevinz, Long live Linaro:)08:25
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kevinz\o/08:25
ricolinAnd back to the SIG setup, I think it will be nice to have a StoryBoard to track all tasks08:26
mrda+108:26
ricolinmrda, o/08:26
mrda\o08:26
hrw+108:26
kevinz+108:26
ricolin#action ricolin will help to set up the environment for our StoryBoard08:27
ricolinDo we need any initial documents?08:27
ricolinor any documents that we should build in short/long run?08:28
mrdaricolin: what did you have in mind?08:29
ricolinmrda, a document to point out where people need to change to adopt ARM? but not sure that's required08:30
ricolincollecting use cases?08:30
mrdaRight, so a "how to support archs other than x86" and "these are the use cases that we definitely want to support"?08:31
ricolinyep08:32
hrwI would like to see something like 'oh, on arm64 you need to do XYZ in other way - here is how and why'08:32
mrdaI guess the first is known common pitfalls, and the 2nd is things that we think should (alomst) work out of the box08:32
mrdahrw: right08:32
hrwas we can then work on moving that logic into openstack components to allow to remove that option08:32
hrwlike 'hw_firmware_type=uefi' which was needed <queens to get anything booted08:32
ricolinhrw, good idea08:33
hrwhow many of you know how to create instance with 20 pcie slots?08:33
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kevinzhrw, strong agree08:34
ricolinWe definitely should keep tracking who is using ARM with OpenStack too08:34
hrwon x86 with i440fx user has unlimited amount of pci slots. on q35/aarch64 you have 2-3 slots and nothing more08:34
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mrdaok, cool08:34
hrwricolin: 'who' + 'issues they had'?08:35
ricolinhrw, and also 'who'+'helping the community to build env.'08:35
ricolinSo we can high light the help from Linaro, Red hat, etc08:36
ricolins/help/helps/08:36
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ricolinfeel like we can start to build some doc for `oh, on arm64 you need to do XYZ in other way - here is how and why` and `use cases, who, and issues they had`?08:38
hrwsounds good08:38
ricolinanyone willing to help writing:)08:38
mrdayep08:38
ricolinI can help to build the repo ready for docs08:39
ricolin#action ricolin help build multi-arch SIG repo08:39
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ricolin#action we need people to help on documents `oh, on arm64 you need to do XYZ in other way - here is how and why` and `use cases, who, and issues they had`08:41
ricolinAnd now CI jobs:)08:41
hrwCI is easy08:42
mrdalol08:42
ricolinhrw, I assume you will keep working on kolla part?08:42
hrwricolin: kolla(-ansible) is where I am core08:42
ricolinhrw, you're now on auto signed up to ci stories!:)08:42
hrwmrda: in properly managed project you just duplicate existing job, add -aarch64 to name and define aarch64 nodeset08:43
mrdaSure, I'm just not familiar08:43
hrwI can help with CI definitions if needed08:44
ricolinhrw, do you think it will be easy to set up job for openstack-helm as well?08:44
hrwricolin: never looked at helm but should be08:45
ricolinkind of interested to verify on too08:45
hrwricolin: if something does not work then it needs to be fixed in project ;D08:45
ricolinagree, I guess to see if everything works or not is one of our initial goal, right:)08:46
hrwyep08:47
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ricolinokay, now chairs08:48
ricolinanyone interested:)08:48
ricolin?08:48
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mrdaI vote for tonyb :-P08:48
ricolintonyb+1:)08:48
hrwI prefer not to apply myself.08:48
ricolinwe can have about three(or more)08:49
mrdaHow about you ricolin ?08:49
ricolinI'm volunteer too08:50
ricolinto help set up stuff08:50
ricolintotally fine to have others to replace me:)08:51
ricolinmaybe ianw_pto will be interested too?:)08:51
ricolinI will ask them when they back on works08:52
mrdasounds good08:52
ricolinmrda, how about you:)08:53
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mrdaIt is unfair to suggest tonyb while he's travelling, but he would be excellent.08:53
ricolinagree08:53
mrdaricolin: I've just come back to the community after a 2 year break, so I should settle in a little more longer08:53
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ricolinmrda, do you happen to know when tony will back on works?08:54
mrdaAnd to be honest, I'm still learning ppc64le.  I don't know if I can learn aarch64 as well08:55
ricolinmrda, you're the one hrw looking for!08:56
mrdaHe should be back on deck soon, albeit working from a eu tz for a short while08:56
ricolinwe ware talk about what elese arch we can find people or resources to work on08:56
hrwmrda: ignore aarch64, ppc64le has less devs08:56
mrda:)08:57
ricolinlol08:57
mrdaWell, that's what I'm focusing on. I think the SIG coming along is good timing.08:57
hrwmrda: if you have ppc64le access and work on openstack there then aarch64 is more like a source to look on how to solve !x86isms08:57
mrdayep08:58
hrwI remember times of fixing rhel7/aarch64 where my aarch64 fixes were fixing ppc64le and s390x too08:58
ricolinmrda, is there any work in progress in community now?08:58
hrwas most of them were 'if you are not x86 then'08:58
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mrdaYes, I'm looking at upstream fixes for ppc64le wherever they come08:59
ricolinmrda, if you see something can you update the etherpad too(since our documents repo and storyboard is not yet ready)?09:00
ricolin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Multi-arch09:00
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mrdaricolin: sure09:01
hrwI added some github links there09:01
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ricolin#action mrda help to collect update ppc64le actions and resources in community if see any09:01
ricolinhrw, super!09:02
ricolinI think we're out of time09:02
hrwricolin: was easy - just looked into my summary of december work ;D09:02
mrdaThanks ricolin (for everything)09:02
ricolinhrw, everything feels easy with you around!09:02
hrwricolin: if you say so...09:03
hrw;D09:03
ricolinanything else before we end our very first meetup?:D09:03
hrwsee you in 7h on second meeting?09:03
mrdaNext week, same time?09:03
ricolinhrw, yes:)09:03
hrwtime slot fits my calendar09:04
ricolinmrda, we got another one after 7hours09:04
mrdaWell, that will be 1:30am for me, so I will see you for 3rd meeting the same time next week09:04
mrda:-)09:04
ricolinI put the meeting schedule biweekly-even09:04
ricolinor anyone think we should do this weekly?09:04
hrwwill see09:05
mrdaevery second week is ok for now09:05
ricolinokay09:05
ricolinThanks all for join:)09:05
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ricolinsee you around!09:05
mrdaThanks!09:05
ricolin#endmeeting09:05
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hrwthanks09:06
priteau#startmeeting blazar09:06
openstackMeeting started Tue Jan  7 09:06:21 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:06
hrwhave fun09:06
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:06
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priteau#topic Roll call09:06
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tetsuroo/09:06
priteauHi tetsuro09:07
priteauI am afraid it's going to be just the two of us again09:07
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priteauAgenda for today:09:08
priteauUpdate on specs work09:08
priteauCode review priorities09:08
priteauNext meeting09:08
priteauAOB09:08
priteau#topic Update on specs work09:09
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priteauAs a reminder our spec priorities are outlined at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/blazar-ptg-ussuri09:10
priteauInitial timeline was too optimistic I am afraid09:10
priteauJake doesn't have time to work on upstream anymore at the moment, so I will have to pick up his specs & code.09:11
priteauI didn't make progress on usage enforcement spec, but I wrote an initial draft for preemptibles09:11
priteau#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/701286/09:11
priteauI have proof of concept code as well, which has been used on a real cloud (only preprod though, not in production)09:12
priteauI would appreciate your input on it09:13
tetsuroI am very glad that now preemptible spec is there. I'll have a look on it.09:14
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priteauThank you.09:15
priteauAny progress on your side?09:15
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tetsuroNot on my side, I am afraid09:17
priteauIf I can make enough progress on other specs, I will help with the quota one.09:20
tetsuroThat would be really helpful, thanks.09:20
priteau#topic Code review priorities09:21
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priteauOther projects are actively dropping py27 code and dependencies so it would be good to follow09:22
priteauThe problem is that with just two cores active over the last month, if one of us submits a patch we have only one +209:22
priteauI propose that we relax the rules and allow a W+1 with a single +2.09:23
priteauThoughts?09:25
tetsuroThat is a reasonable proposal with the current condition09:25
tetsuroSo I am good with that rule.09:25
priteauI hope that the patches will merge cleanly. I've updated a change from Sam Morrison (Nectar Coud) and it hasn't passed CI: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/699518/09:27
priteauThe failure is always the same, in Tempest it fails to submit a lease because "Start date must be later than current date'"09:28
priteauOh, I think I now09:29
priteauSome gabbi tests have hardcoded:09:29
priteau    start_date: "2020-01-01 10:00"09:29
priteauI'll push a patch to fix it09:30
tetsuroAh, good catch, thanks.09:30
tetsurohappy new year...09:31
priteauhttps://review.opendev.org/#/c/70134409:32
priteauHeh09:32
priteauThis is a high priority review.09:32
priteau#topic Next meeting09:34
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priteauI am on travel all of next week, so I will have to cancel the next meeting09:34
priteauNext meeting would be on January 2109:35
tetsuroWorks fo me09:36
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priteau#topic AOB09:37
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priteauAnything else to share?09:37
tetsuroNothing.09:38
priteauThanks for joining today!09:39
priteauHave a good week09:39
tetsuroThanks, priteau09:39
priteau#endmeeting09:39
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cmurphy#startmeeting keystone17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jan  7 17:00:28 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cmurphy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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cmurphy#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting agenda17:00
cmurphyo/17:00
knikollao/17:01
vishakhao/17:01
gagehugoo/17:01
cmurphywelcome back everyone17:02
cmurphyhow were your holidays?17:02
gagehugobusier than I wanted, but not bad17:03
knikollawent by too quickly17:04
gagehugo^17:04
cmurphyi didn't take much time off but it was nice and quiet :)17:05
vishakhaThey were good :) how was yours?17:06
cmurphynot bad :)17:06
cmurphy#topic Reminder: spec freeze week of Feb 1017:07
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cmurphyover a month away but just a reminder to help with reviews17:07
cmurphy#link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone-specs+path:%22%255Especs/.*/ussuri.*%2524%2217:07
cmurphy#topic L1 duty rotation17:08
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cmurphy#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-l1-duty17:08
cmurphylast time was vishakha - any bugs triaged that you want to discuss?17:08
vishakhaYes i wanted to discuss about the bug17:09
vishakhahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/185708617:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1857086 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Trying to update user options field for ldap user gives 403 forbidden" [Undecided,Invalid]17:09
* lbragstad walks in late17:10
vishakhaI wasn’t sure about mfa with ldap user17:10
* cmurphy waves to lbragstad17:11
vishakhaI was wondering if anyone can share some knowledge over this17:11
lbragstadvishakha sorry - i jumped on that and tried triaging it yesterday17:11
lbragstadIMO - all the resource option for identity APIs is specific to SQL... i don't think we can support MFA with ldap without some serious thought17:13
vishakhalbragstad: does mfa works differently for ldap user as compared to normal user?17:13
cmurphyabhishek makes a good point, totp is an auth method and not a property of a user17:13
knikolla++, i also feel like if we're delegating auth to ldap, we shouldn't hack mfa on top of that.17:14
knikollafrom a philosophical standpoint.17:14
lbragstadwe store MFA keys on the user reference though17:14
cmurphybut with the ldap backend auth isn't delegated, it's handled by keystone17:14
lbragstadwe have to find a way to toggle MFA on and off for ldap, which we don't write to17:14
knikollawe're just passing the username/password to the ldap server though.17:14
knikollanot doing much on top of that.17:14
cmurphybut that's still the 'password' auth method17:14
gagehugodo we not store user options separately for mapped users?17:15
gagehugothat "enabled" setting will always fail for ldap17:15
cmurphyi think user options is a different table17:16
cmurphybut maybe the "enabled" option is why they're getting the 40317:16
gagehugothat's what I was thinking17:16
knikollaIIRC, and from what lbragstad linked, the entire update_user function is 40317:17
lbragstadcorrect - i think we'd have to generalize that up in the manager somehow?17:17
gagehugoah ok17:18
lbragstadbut - it should have left an "ldap doesn't support writes" 403... not a permission 40317:18
lbragstadwhich kinda threw me off17:18
cmurphyright17:18
lbragstadthat's why i wanted to ask about credentials, just to make sure, since that error looks similar to a permission thing17:19
knikollahmmm... good call.17:19
cmurphyso I don't think this is an invalid bug because I think auth methods are separate from identity driver, but the question is whether it's an issue with the credentials they're using, a broken policy rule, an issue with using the "enabled" parameter in PATCH, or a bug in the ldap manager17:21
cmurphydoes that sum it up?17:21
gagehugoI think so17:22
vishakhaImo it does sum it up17:22
knikollaah, i see what you mean now. ldap uses the password auth method.17:23
cmurphycan someone reopen the bug and add a comment?17:24
vishakhaSure i will do it17:24
cmurphythanks vishakha17:25
lbragstadthanks for updating17:25
cmurphyanyone want to volunteer to take the next bug duty rotation?17:25
knikollai can't do the next one, but can do the one after.17:26
cmurphyokay I'll take this week17:27
knikollathanks cmurphy :)17:27
cmurphy:)17:28
cmurphyanything else on this topic?17:28
cmurphy#topic review requests17:29
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cmurphyanyone working on anything that they want eyes on?17:29
lbragstadcurious if anyone would like to take another look at https://review.opendev.org/#/c/699743/ ?17:30
gagehugoI got https://review.opendev.org/#/c/699013/ if anyone has time17:30
lbragstadmordred had a ksa patch he wanted to get reviews on, too17:31
cmurphylbragstad: lgtm17:32
cmurphygagehugo: will review today17:32
lbragstadhttps://review.opendev.org/#/c/662734/ was the other one he had17:32
lbragstadty cmurphy17:32
gagehugoty cmurphy17:32
cmurphyi discovered a fun bug while working on functional protection tests for the assignments api https://review.opendev.org/70082617:32
cmurphyalso easy rst fix https://review.opendev.org/70078017:33
cmurphylbragstad: oh that's an interesting one17:35
cmurphyit depends on a devstack change that hasn't merged yet though17:35
lbragstadyeah... mordred was asking for feedback17:35
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cmurphyi think there was either a mailing list discussion or a discussion on another patch about this, i think one of the questions was whether the default should be 'internal' or 'public'17:36
mordredfor the record, that change is fricklers17:36
lbragstadif end users are supposed to use it - i would think it should be public...17:37
cmurphyare end users supposed to use it? or is it for service-to-service communication?17:38
mordredkeystonemiddleware is supposed to be service-to-service no?17:39
cmurphyright, i think the only user-facing parameter is the www-authenticate-uri parameter, so i think internal is right for this17:40
mordredyeah - that should work in most of the contexts - if people have both public and internal, they likely want services to talk to internal - if they don't, usually they set internal to the same as public, so it should still work for smaller ... as long as it isn't admin :)17:41
cmurphy++17:41
cmurphythe change needs a release note, what else do we need to move forward on it? is the devstack change controversial?17:44
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mordredoh - apparently there is a heat change down in teh depends-on change that's a blocker17:46
cmurphyah :/17:46
mordredhttps://review.opendev.org/#/c/675778/17:46
mordredyeah - that's heat using keystoneclient17:46
mordredman this is a rat's nest isn't it?17:47
mordredksa has support for interface as a list - that doesn't flow through to ksc does it?17:48
mordredif it did, we could update that heat patch to be interface=['internal', 'admin', 'public'] or something - and ksa would then select the right interface in that preference order17:49
mordred(at least I'm pretty sure we landed that list support in ksa right?)17:49
cmurphyi think so17:49
cmurphyand it looks like frickler tried to fix ksc https://review.opendev.org/67587017:49
cmurphyi'm not sure why that didn't go anywhere17:50
mordredhrm17:50
mordredcmurphy: should I try to pick up frickler's ksc patch? maybe update it to default to a list?17:51
mordredif we can fix that, then we can drop the heat patch, since it should flow through17:51
cmurphymordred: sounds good to me17:52
mordredk. I'll see if I can add that to my list17:52
cmurphythanks mordred17:53
mordred\o/ progress!17:53
cmurphy#topic open discussion17:54
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cmurphyanyone else working on something they want to discuss for these last few minutes?17:55
cmurphyi know at our last few retrospectives we talked about having more frequent checkins or retrospectives throughout the cycle to try to keep up development momentum, tbh i don't really have time to prepare for big video calls like that these days, but maybe we could use our meeting time to go through the roadmap board every once in a while to check our progress?17:57
cmurphyi'll let you mull it over17:59
cmurphythanks for the good discussions today17:59
cmurphy#endmeeting17:59
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