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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 5 15:02:10 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:02 |
| carloss | hey :) | 15:02 |
| lseki | hi | 15:02 |
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| ganso | hello | 15:02 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:02 |
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| tbarron | courtesy ping: gouthamr xyang toabctl bswartz ganso erlon tpsilva vkmc amito jgrosso dviroel lseki carloss | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:03 |
| dviroel | o/ | 15:03 |
| vhari | o/ | 15:03 |
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| tbarron | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| tbarron | Agenda: | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:03 |
| tbarron | Hello all! | 15:04 |
| amito | I'm confused | 15:04 |
| amito | The title in #openstack-manila says there's no meeting today | 15:04 |
| tbarron | amito: i need to update it from last week, sorry | 15:04 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:04 |
| amito | tbarron: all good :) | 15:04 |
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| tbarron | done | 15:05 |
| tbarron | First, please join me in congratulating gouthamr for his election to PTL starting Ussuri cycle! | 15:06 |
| bswartz | Was it a coup or a democratic election? | 15:06 |
| lseki | π π | 15:06 |
| amito | congrats gouthamr ! :) | 15:06 |
| bswartz | :-p | 15:06 |
| dviroel | gouthamr: Congrats! | 15:06 |
| carloss | Congrats, gouthamr :) \o | 15:06 |
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| amito | And thank you tbarron ! | 15:06 |
| bswartz | Thanks gouthamr for stepping up | 15:06 |
| sfernand | congrats gouthamr | 15:07 |
| carloss | Also, thanks tbarron :) | 15:07 |
| tbarron | bswartz: It was a Platonic decision in an ideal republic. | 15:07 |
| tbarron | Seriously, we're in very good hands now, and change of leadership is a good thing. | 15:08 |
| bswartz | tbarron: thanks for your service as PTL | 15:08 |
| tbarron | I think in Sparta ?? they cast lots and everyone basically took a turn. | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | :) Thanks everyone... Hope to do a good job at it; bswartz and tbarron are a hard act to follow - but you all will make things smooth | 15:08 |
| bswartz | Who thought Ussuri was a good name for a release? | 15:08 |
| * gouthamr this-is-manilaaaaa | 15:08 | |
| tbarron | It has been a rewarding experience for me but now it's time to contribute in other ways ... | 15:09 |
| ganso | congrats gouthamr ! | 15:09 |
| tbarron | bswartz: the voters did :) | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | thank you ganso! | 15:09 |
| tbarron | gouthamr has already done a lot of PTL-type jobs and we all need to be prepared to accept delegations from him. | 15:10 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:10 |
| bswartz | Is there a guide for how to pronounce ussuri and what it means? | 15:10 |
| vkmc | congrats gouthamr :) | 15:10 |
| vkmc | I know you will be a great bdfl | 15:10 |
| vkmc | :P | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | vkmc: bdfu :D | 15:10 |
| vkmc | haha yes | 15:10 |
| * tbarron suggests that gouthamr delegate a study commission headed by bswartz to report on the pronunciation and meaning(s) of Ussuri | 15:11 | |
| bswartz | >_< | 15:11 |
| tbarron | though we won't have a formal changing of the guard till U-release starts | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: probably pronounced δΉθιζ± - rated 4.6 on google, meh | 15:12 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: delegate, don't answer everything yourself :) | 15:12 |
| tbarron | heh | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | lol tbarron :D | 15:12 |
| tbarron | Next announcement | 15:13 |
| tbarron | Train milestone 3 and feature freeze are next week | 15:13 |
| tbarron | #link https://releases.openstack.org/train/schedule.html | 15:13 |
| tbarron | We'll talk about actual reviews in a bit. | 15:13 |
| tbarron | Also, we have a couple weeks to brainstorm on Forum topics. | 15:15 |
| tbarron | And we have an etherpad for that. | 15:15 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-shanghai-forum-brainstorming | 15:15 |
| tbarron | I've seeded it with a couple topics but please add ideas. | 15:15 |
| tbarron | Any other announcements? | 15:16 |
| tbarron | #topic Python3 tempest 3rd party CI | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python3 tempest 3rd party CI (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:16 | |
| ganso | I have one | 15:16 |
| ganso | sorry | 15:16 |
| bswartz | #undo | 15:16 |
| tbarron | #topic announcements | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:16 | |
| ganso | my announcement is that I have now a conflict meeting at the same time as the manila meeting, every Thursday | 15:16 |
| ganso | so it makes very difficult to me to interact here due to this conflict | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | ganso: I do too, but I come to manila anyways | 15:17 |
| ganso | difficult *for me | 15:17 |
| tbarron | but bswartz doesn't *want* to be at the other meeting :) | 15:17 |
| bswartz | hush | 15:17 |
| tbarron | ganso: maybe make a doodle poll and work with the new PTL to see if another time is better? | 15:17 |
| tbarron | he might have an interest in a more Seattle-friendly meeting time. | 15:18 |
| bswartz | We've looked at changing times before, but it always causes problems for at least 1 person | 15:18 |
| ganso | so, that was the announcement. I will catch up with the meeting notes as soon as my other meeting is done | 15:18 |
| ganso | tbarron: yea perhaps | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | ack - we can definitely start a poll | 15:18 |
| tbarron | I don't think we'd come to a consensus on a new time in *this* meeting | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I'm open to a new time, but I doubt we'll find one that's not bad for at least 1 person | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | ganso: would this be a problem even with the DST switchover for you next month? | 15:19 |
| ganso | gouthamr: yes | 15:19 |
| ganso | gouthamr: the meeting schedule is in UTC, same as manila's | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | ah... makes sense; we can run a poll | 15:19 |
| ganso | gouthamr: thanks! | 15:19 |
| lseki | gouthamr: btw we *might* not have DST here in Brazil anymore | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | #action: gouthamr will run a doodle poll for a new time for the manila meeting - link will be shared on openstack-discuss | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | lseki: smart decision :D | 15:20 |
| bswartz | +1 for ending DST | 15:20 |
| tbarron | #topic Python3 tempest 3rd party testing | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python3 tempest 3rd party testing (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:20 | |
| tbarron | there are a lot of things you might not have in Brazil anymore | 15:20 |
| * tbarron ducks | 15:21 | |
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| tbarron | here too of course | 15:21 |
| tbarron | On the 3rd party testing the new development is that NetAop can reproduce the EMC eventlet/urllib issue with python 3.7 and | 15:21 |
| tbarron | it is likely present in NetApp cinder driver as well | 15:22 |
| tbarron | Is that correct? | 15:22 |
| carloss | Yes | 15:22 |
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| gouthamr | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1833160 | 15:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1833160 in Manila "VNX: driver cannot start under py37 due to wrap_socket() got an unexpected keyword argument '_context'" [Undecided,New] | 15:22 |
| tbarron | So this is less of an isolated issue. | 15:22 |
| carloss | I'm performing some tests in the drivers, In the next days I'll add some bug comments with my results | 15:23 |
| tbarron | carloss: thanks, and at that point I suggest taking the issue to the larger community, via openstack-discuss list | 15:23 |
| tbarron | please get the cinder people involved too | 15:24 |
| carloss | Sounds good! | 15:24 |
| tbarron | They were pushing for 3.7 rather than just 3.6 coverage iirc | 15:24 |
| tbarron | We were deliberately vague, 3.6+ | 15:24 |
| carloss | I'll start a discussion soon | 15:24 |
| tbarron | in part b/c we didn't know of any downstream distros using 3.7 on long term releases | 15:24 |
| bswartz | Does any distro still ship 3.6? | 15:25 |
| tbarron | carloss: thanks much | 15:25 |
| bswartz | Oh it's the reverse | 15:25 |
| bswartz | 3.6 is more common than 3.7? | 15:25 |
| tbarron | bswartz: my impression but maybe i'm wrong | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | RHEL8 is 3.6 | 15:26 |
| bswartz | Ubuntu is giving me 3.6.8 | 15:26 |
| tbarron | gouthamr is pointing out my bias :) | 15:26 |
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| tbarron | but manila and cinder aren't the only users of urllib and eventlet I bet | 15:27 |
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| tbarron | #topic Cross Project Goals | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cross Project Goals (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:27 | |
| tbarron | First, a big shout out to toabctl for getting the PDF doc generation done. | 15:28 |
| toabctl | :) | 15:28 |
| bswartz | huzzah! | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | ++ | 15:28 |
| tbarron | There may be some followup stuff centrally (bindep dependencies, tox target adjstments?) but manila is at | 15:29 |
| tbarron | the front of the pack with other projects who are getting the job done. | 15:29 |
| tbarron | We'll need to look at client and library components I guess but | 15:30 |
| tbarron | we're not behind any other projects in this respect so far as I can tell. | 15:30 |
| tbarron | The second goal is IPv6 readiness and I think we"re in good shape there. | 15:30 |
| tbarron | ghanshyam will be sending some tests in our direction in the next couple weeks at | 15:31 |
| tbarron | which point we can make some adjustments if needed. | 15:31 |
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| tbarron | OK ... | 15:31 |
| tbarron | #topic Our Work - Reviews | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Our Work - Reviews (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:31 | |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-train-review-focus | 15:32 |
| tbarron | I've had limited bandwith due to unexpected family medical emergency in the last week or so. | 15:32 |
| tbarron | All OK now but I'm still catching up on lots of fronts. | 15:32 |
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| tbarron | The main thing here is the good work captured by this | 15:33 |
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| tbarron | diagram | 15:33 |
| tbarron | https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1oTdJn6s47tSKstH14NEaekm0V1zVnuOxs95Ljt7DI7Y/edit | 15:33 |
| tbarron | We're in a situation where very few core reviewers are actually doing reviews :( | 15:35 |
| dviroel | :( | 15:35 |
| bswartz | Who else from netapp is a core reviewer? | 15:35 |
| tbarron | And candidly, it's not the PTL's job to fix that. | 15:35 |
| carloss | only you, bswartz | 15:35 |
| bswartz | We need to fix that | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: +1 | 15:36 |
| tbarron | we are a community and if have stuff that needs to be reviewed or | 15:36 |
| tbarron | then it is on you as well to chase down reviewers | 15:36 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I support that but | 15:36 |
| tbarron | since this is a netapp submission it isn't directly relevant to this I think | 15:37 |
| tbarron | We need reviewers other than goutham and myself. | 15:37 |
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| tbarron | Especially as Goutham takes PTO responsibility we can't have this bottleneck. | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | will help alleviate the issue a bit, we'd get some more eyes/scrutiny around this - thanks dviroel lseki for reviewing the code so far - please continue to take a look as it evolves | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | but, again, you two are co-authors on most of those patches? | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | :) | 15:39 |
| dviroel | gouthamr: yes | 15:39 |
| tbarron | right, they've done a good job of having their own internal review conversations in the open | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:39 |
| tbarron | but who else has back ends that will make use of these features? | 15:40 |
| tbarron | They should be reviewing and if they aren't then | 15:40 |
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| tbarron | the people who want to get this stuff merged need to reach out to them and explain why it's in their interest that | 15:41 |
| tbarron | it be merged and be right for the other back ends too. | 15:41 |
| tbarron | This is a community, not a top-down command and control organization. | 15:41 |
| tbarron | OK, I'll quit preaching, go forth and review, please. | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | aye aye, carloss thanks for updating the patch, and responding to the comments | 15:43 |
| carloss | yw, thanks for reviewing it :) | 15:43 |
| tbarron | Anyone else have anything on this topic? | 15:43 |
| * tbarron can tick people off with impunity, he's not running for office :) | 15:44 | |
| jgrosso | :) | 15:44 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: Hi! | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | carloss: i'll try to be more expedient with the next set of comments, but ofcourse it's a 3k line patch that touches a ton of things in the API - although i'm familiar with the design, i did write it without a PoC back then - so you'll see some back-and-forth | 15:44 |
| tbarron | #topic Bugs | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:44 | |
| jgrosso | tbarron Hello! | 15:44 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: got anything for us today? | 15:44 |
| jgrosso | yes rollover from last meeting | 15:44 |
| jgrosso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1781127 | 15:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1781127 in Manila "Share groups created from snapshot can be created with different share group type" [Low,In progress] | 15:45 |
| jgrosso | this went from high - medium and now low :) | 15:45 |
| carloss | gouthamr: ok :) | 15:45 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: also low-hanging fruit though | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:46 |
| jgrosso | jgrosso yes | 15:46 |
| jgrosso | just trying to understand was it just mark wrong | 15:46 |
| jgrosso | twice :) | 15:46 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: you set it to low yourself | 15:46 |
| tbarron | so i would ask jgrosso why :) | 15:47 |
| jgrosso | tbarron started Hi , then Med , and then I marked it low :) | 15:47 |
| jgrosso | so I will take it as lhf and leave it :) | 15:47 |
| tbarron | last time I argued that it wasn't hi | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | nah, at the time of filing that bug, we expected to continue doing more work on share groups - so it was probably set high because we thought we'd get it done asap - for now, i think we have a preliminary useful feature that we must graduate | 15:47 |
| jgrosso | yeah and then we argues is it even med :) | 15:48 |
| tbarron | I also don't have a problem with it being low | 15:48 |
| jgrosso | ack | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | and we concluded that it's unlikely that users would make that mistake; even if they did - the new share group may not be created | 15:48 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: +1 | 15:48 |
| jgrosso | gouthamr:+1 | 15:48 |
| jgrosso | last one | 15:48 |
| jgrosso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1810988 | 15:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1810988 in Manila "[tempest] migration tests often fail with ssh timeouts " [High,In progress] | 15:49 |
| jgrosso | its high and marked as stein rc1 | 15:49 |
| tbarron | well it should stay high IMO but I'll remove the target | 15:49 |
| jgrosso | ok thanks tbarron | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | hudson-openstack marked it in-progress, did we have a patch tbarron ? | 15:50 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: I might have had a tempest patch, will dig | 15:50 |
| jgrosso | that is all I had for today | 15:50 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: jgrosso I might even assing this back to myself after gouthamr's ascension | 15:51 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: you did ask me to check on, let's see | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | this manila UI bug came in: | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila-ui/+bug/1842119 | 15:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1842119 in manila-ui "missing some saved quotas values in manila share tab" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Gloria Gu (gloria-gu) | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | it has a fix from some new contributor/s: https://review.opendev.org/679897 | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | would be nice to get it reviewed quickly | 15:52 |
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| tbarron | yeah, has anyone reproduced the issue? | 15:53 |
| jgrosso | tbarron I asked about this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1746725 | 15:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1746725 in Manila "LVM driver is unable to remove addresses in different IP versions belonging to the same interface properly" [Medium,Invalid] - Assigned to Tom Barron (tpb) | 15:53 |
| jgrosso | with the request " please help me remember and we can test whether the library bug ganso found is present in bionic" | 15:54 |
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| tbarron | jgrosso: yeah that was it, the OS bug doesn't happen in ubuntu bionic so I said it's not a manila bug | 15:54 |
| jgrosso | tbarron is that the bug you meant? | 15:54 |
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| tbarron | we don't need to work around the OS bug for our gate and | 15:54 |
| jgrosso | tbarron ack | 15:54 |
| tbarron | we're not in the business of supporting earlier ubuntu per se | 15:54 |
| tbarron | I'll load up that manila-ui patch and see if it does the right thing so far as I can tell but | 15:56 |
| tbarron | I'm no django coder so if someone more competent wants to review that would be great. | 15:56 |
| tbarron | Any other bugs? | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: ack, we release manila-ui next week? | 15:57 |
| jgrosso | nope | 15:57 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr: yes | 15:57 |
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| tbarron | any python-manilaclient stuff pending that I'm missing? | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: ack, i'll try to take a look as well - or engage vkmc, our in-house manila-ui wiz | 15:57 |
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| tbarron | It's next week too and the netapp patches are of course relevant | 15:57 |
| tbarron | But any other manilclient stuff that we need to get in? | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/670750/ | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | would be the other one ^ | 15:58 |
| vkmc | gouthamr, looking into it actually :) | 15:59 |
| tbarron | oh yeah, it's on the review pad and shoudlmake it I think. | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | awesome ty vkmc | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: i'll add https://review.opendev.org/#/c/647538/ to the list on the review pad | 15:59 |
| tbarron | ok, we're out of time | 16:00 |
| tbarron | see you in #openstack-manila | 16:00 |
| tbarron | Thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | thank you! | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 5 16:00:47 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-09-05-15.02.html | 16:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-09-05-15.02.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-09-05-15.02.log.html | 16:00 |
| bswartz | tbarron: stay safe from Dorian | 16:00 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: you too! | 16:02 |
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