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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 22 15:01:50 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| carloss | hi o/ | 15:01 |
| tbarron | courtesy ping: gouthamr xyang toabctl bswartz ganso erlon tpsilva vkmc amito jgrosso dviroel lseki carloss | 15:02 |
| jgrosso | hello | 15:02 |
| ganso | hello | 15:02 |
| lseki | hi | 15:02 |
| dviroel | o/ | 15:02 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:02 |
| vhari | o/ | 15:02 |
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| tbarron | Hi all! | 15:02 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:02 |
| amito | Hi .o/ | 15:03 |
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| tbarron | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting | 15:03 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #topic Announcments | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcments (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| tbarron | I don't have any except a reminder that we are not three weeks out | 15:04 |
| tbarron | till feature freeze. | 15:04 |
| tbarron | #link https://releases.openstack.org/train/schedule.html | 15:04 |
| tbarron | Anyone else have any announcements? | 15:05 |
| tbarron | OK | 15:05 |
| tbarron | #topic Python3 tempest 3rd party CI | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python3 tempest 3rd party CI (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
| tbarron | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Manila/TrainCycle#Python3_Testing | 15:06 |
| tbarron | NetApp and Quobyte are in the winners column now | 15:06 |
| lseki | 🎉 | 15:07 |
| tbarron | EMC and NetApp are having a constructive dialogue about | 15:07 |
| tbarron | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1833160 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1833160 in Manila "VNX: driver cannot start under py37 due to wrap_socket() got an unexpected keyword argument '_context'" [Undecided,New] | 15:07 |
| carloss | :) | 15:07 |
| tbarron | Thanks for helping out! | 15:07 |
| carloss | I'm performing some tests right now to answer to his last comment | 15:08 |
| tbarron | carloss++ | 15:08 |
| tbarron | So we're making some progress ... | 15:09 |
| tbarron | #topic Cross Project Goals | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cross Project Goals (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:09 | |
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| tbarron | IPv6 testing is on track I think, waiting on gyanshyam's test job | 15:10 |
| tbarron | On PDF doc generation is anyone interested in being point? | 15:10 |
| tbarron | We're supposed to supply a name. | 15:10 |
| tbarron | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-August/008570.html | 15:11 |
| tbarron | If not, I'll do it. | 15:11 |
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| tbarron | There's not a magic quick solution here yet. | 15:11 |
| tbarron | I communicated to our TC folk that when we generate the PDFs it makes lots of terrible | 15:12 |
| tbarron | warnings and errors doing the LaTeX conversion | 15:12 |
| tbarron | and asked for an example of a project succeeding with this goal. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | LaTeX? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | In OpenStack? | 15:13 |
| tbarron | So folks are trying to get neutron to work. | 15:13 |
| tbarron | bswartz: the initial idea was to do rst to LaTeX and LaTeX to pdf | 15:13 |
| * bswartz head explodes | 15:13 | |
| tbarron | bswartz: I think another approach is being explored now too | 15:13 |
| tbarron | so I'll put myself as contact and keep the dialogue going. | 15:14 |
| tbarron | I'm willing to do some work in manila docs but I want it to be aligned with what | 15:14 |
| tbarron | other proejcts are doing. | 15:14 |
| bswartz | https://github.com/rst2pdf/rst2pdf | 15:14 |
| * tbarron wipes brains off his keyboard | 15:14 | |
| bswartz | There are probably deeper issues I'm not grasping here | 15:15 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yeah I think that's the alternative being chased. | 15:15 |
| tbarron | both approaches are mentioned here: | 15:16 |
| tbarron | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-pdf-support-goal | 15:16 |
| tbarron | #topic Reviews | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:17 | |
| tbarron | We have three weeks for features to get in and we have a Review Focus Etherpad here | 15:17 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-train-review-focus | 15:18 |
| tbarron | The last item on this board merged, hurray! | 15:18 |
| dviroel | \o/ | 15:18 |
| tbarron | It's really great that we've got glusterfs (with NFS) maintainers again, especially | 15:19 |
| tbarron | because we know it's being used by several significant deployerx in China | 15:19 |
| bswartz | Indeed! | 15:19 |
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| tbarron | The first item on this board is quite close to merging. | 15:20 |
| tbarron | This is the work to allow updating of share types. | 15:20 |
| tbarron | High quality work with good reviewers. | 15:20 |
| tbarron | Thanks to the reviewers and contributors! | 15:20 |
| tbarron | There are some outstanding issues but they are small so this one is not at risk IMO. | 15:21 |
| tbarron | We do need a reviewer other than gouthamr on the Nexenta refactor. | 15:21 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-train-review-focus | 15:21 |
| tbarron | gouthamr has done the lion's share of the work on this one so reviewing it at this | 15:22 |
| tbarron | point should not be that burdensome. | 15:22 |
| tbarron | Please sign up and review! | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | was waiting on Alexey's response on docs, i've no other concerns with it atm | 15:22 |
| * tbarron hadn't noticed gouthamr sneaking in .... | 15:23 | |
| tbarron | OK, let's look at this nice diagram: | 15:23 |
| * gouthamr almost got through | 15:23 | |
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| tbarron | #link https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1oTdJn6s47tSKstH14NEaekm0V1zVnuOxs95Ljt7DI7Y/edit | 15:23 |
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| tbarron | These reviews are for the two features NetApp did specs for for Train | 15:24 |
| tbarron | good stuff | 15:24 |
| tbarron | And you can see the dependencies here. | 15:24 |
| tbarron | We don't need everyone to sign up for everything :) | 15:24 |
| tbarron | But we need progress right away on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/674896/ and | 15:25 |
| tbarron | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/671043/ | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | ^ i'll take a look at that | 15:25 |
| dviroel | gouthamr: thanks | 15:26 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: excellent | 15:26 |
| carloss | gouthamr: thanks | 15:26 |
| tbarron | and we need some other reviewers too! | 15:26 |
| tbarron | I want to commend the NetApp folks on doing a lot of review on this themselves, out | 15:26 |
| tbarron | in the open, in gerrit. | 15:27 |
| tbarron | We all learn when this practice is followed rather than keeping it all in house until | 15:27 |
| dviroel | tbarron: ack | 15:27 |
| tbarron | you think it's perfect. | 15:27 |
| carloss | tbarron: ack | 15:27 |
| lseki | tbarron we will :-) | 15:27 |
| tbarron | pass on my thanks to Marty as well :) | 15:28 |
| tbarron | So let's see if we can get this main lynchpin merged or close to merge by next week. | 15:28 |
| tbarron | By lynchpin I mean https://review.opendev.org/#/c/671043/ | 15:29 |
| tbarron | Anything else on the Reviews topic today? | 15:29 |
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| tbarron | #topic Bugs | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:30 | |
| tbarron | jgrosso: what do you have for us today? | 15:30 |
| jgrosso | Thanks tbarron I have two bugs today | 15:30 |
| jgrosso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1746725 | 15:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1746725 in Manila "LVM driver is unable to remove addresses in different IP versions belonging to the same interface properly" [Medium,New] | 15:30 |
| ganso | ^ brings back memories | 15:31 |
| tbarron | ganso! | 15:31 |
| jgrosso | :) | 15:31 |
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| ganso | not sure if that bug still exists with the latest library | 15:32 |
| ganso | it is mostly a library bug | 15:32 |
| ganso | but the LVM driver code can be changed to work around the bug and manage the rules in a more appropriate way | 15:32 |
| tbarron | ganso: what library? | 15:32 |
| ganso | tbarron: nfs library | 15:32 |
| ganso | tbarron: bug comes from exportfs -u command | 15:32 |
| ganso | bswartz's refactor of NFS based drivers solved the problem: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/476239/ | 15:33 |
| ganso | but his patch is not finished or polished enough to be merged as is | 15:33 |
| ganso | as far as I remember last time I tested it | 15:34 |
| tbarron | So this was a CentOS bug and we don't know if it's also in Bionic. | 15:34 |
| tbarron | But bswartz's patch cleaned up a lot of the OS specific code iirc | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | ganso: was this a manual test case, or did you automate this at some point? | 15:35 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: I tried to automate, but there the bug showed up in tempest test | 15:37 |
| ganso | gouthamr: so I coded the test differently to avoid the bug | 15:37 |
| ganso | gouthamr: The test was share migration with IPv6 | 15:38 |
| ganso | I remember we had a long discussion about this, and it was close to a feature freeze so we collectively decided to just avoid the bug | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | ganso: ah, so currently that test case doesn't test two IPs of the same client? | 15:39 |
| ganso | gouthamr: it does, but it is handled in a non-obvious way. I don't remember the specifics | 15:39 |
| tbarron | ganso: the library bug is that 'exportfs -u <client>:<path' removes multiple exports rather than just the targeted export? | 15:39 |
| ganso | tbarron: exactly | 15:39 |
| ganso | tbarron: if the multiple exports are related to the same interface | 15:40 |
| tbarron | ganso: was it deterministic? | 15:40 |
| ganso | tbarron: yes | 15:40 |
| ganso | tbarron: always happened | 15:40 |
| tbarron | ok, let's see if it happens on bionic beaver | 15:40 |
| tbarron | if not, I'm happy just saying this is a CentOS bug and leaving it at that for now. | 15:40 |
| tbarron | We use lvm driver for test coverage, I don't see it in production with CentOS .... | 15:41 |
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| tbarron | ganso: your point though is valid that the LVM driver could do things in a way that's less fragile. | 15:41 |
| tbarron | so my remarks are in no way intended to discourage anyone from doing that. | 15:42 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I know you are buys with other things, but do you have plans for https://review.opendev.org/#/c/476239/ ? | 15:43 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I got stuck on the backwards compatibility stuff | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | If we could trash the old driver and rewrite it, that would make my changes very easy | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I don't know who would be affected by a backwards compatibilty break in LVM | 15:44 |
| tbarron | ok lemme send an email out to openstack-discuss and see if we can flush out any lvm driver users | 15:45 |
| tbarron | I know folks who use it for POCs and for | 15:45 |
| tbarron | testing | 15:45 |
| tbarron | like it was real handy for the manila-csi folks who needed an easy to deploy NFS driver | 15:46 |
| tbarron | it's quite valuable | 15:46 |
| tbarron | but I don't know people running production systems with it, mainly b/c if you're going to back the driver itself with | 15:46 |
| tbarron | a robust and scalable filer then you probably just want to use the driver for that | 15:47 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: please help me remember and we can test whether the library bug ganso found is present in bionic | 15:47 |
| tbarron | That will help us judge urgency. | 15:48 |
| bswartz | The LVM driver can be super valuable for testing | 15:48 |
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| jgrosso | tbarron ack | 15:48 |
| bswartz | Even if nobody runs it in production | 15:48 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: also to check with the community. | 15:48 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1, that's what I'm trying to say as well. | 15:48 |
| jgrosso | tbarron ack | 15:48 |
| jgrosso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1781127 | 15:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1781127 in Manila "Share groups created from snapshot can be created with different share group type" [Medium,In progress] | 15:48 |
| jgrosso | last bug | 15:49 |
| bswartz | And for my purposes, it's actually better if nobody runs it in production, because that makes it easier to improve | 15:49 |
| tbarron | bswartz: but if noone uses it in producation we can consider your idea about doing the rewrite. | 15:49 |
| jgrosso | opps jumped ahead :) | 15:49 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: that's fine. | 15:49 |
| bswartz | If we were to take the stance that it's not production ready, and that we won't support backwards compatibility with it because it's just for testing, that would free us up to remove the bad garbage | 15:49 |
| bswartz | We never got a proper upgrade mechanism for volume drivers though so we end up dragging around legacy problems forever | 15:50 |
| * ganso likes when bad garbage can be removed | 15:50 | |
| bswartz | s/volume/share/ | 15:50 |
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| tbarron | So w.r.t. 1781127 I agree that it's a bug but why is it even Medium priority? | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | maybe we can add the helper and its unit tests and ask people to switch to it in Train? - no upgrade guarantees | 15:51 |
| tbarron | Is it particularly harmful? Maybe I'm missing something. | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | we can deprecate and remove the old helper in the next release - meaning, they'l have to reapply their access rules | 15:52 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: bswartz: yes | 15:52 |
| bswartz | It's just that there's no way to preserve shares created by the old helper once you move to the new helper | 15:52 |
| bswartz | If you delete all your shares before upgrading you'd be fine | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | oh, i thought this just affected the exports | 15:53 |
| ganso | if I am not mistaken, we would make use of the new ensure_shares mechanism zhongjun wrote to help in the NFS Helper transition | 15:53 |
| tbarron | Dustin set this bug to High, I knocked it down to Medium, but honestly I'm not even seeing that it's medium. | 15:53 |
| bswartz | gouthamr may be right | 15:53 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: so please bring the previous bug up again in the next meeting. | 15:53 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure how much state exists for unexported shares | 15:53 |
| jgrosso | tbarron ack | 15:53 |
| tbarron | hopefully we'll have some data | 15:53 |
| tbarron | on deployments | 15:53 |
| jgrosso | thanks all | 15:53 |
| * gouthamr we have 7 minutes no? | 15:54 | |
| bswartz | ganso: we *could* go an upgrade using such a mechanism but it would be a lot of work | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | ganso: also the issue is, ANY config change triggers that mechanism and access rules will be reapplied by the driver? | 15:55 |
| ganso | bswartz: yup, just getting rid of it is definitely easier | 15:55 |
| * bswartz is lazy | 15:55 | |
| tbarron | Anyone want to talk about 1781127 ? | 15:55 |
| ganso | gouthamr: if we code the driver implementation of ensure_shares to do so, yes. I don't think it does it by default | 15:55 |
| * gouthamr only 5 minutes now | 15:55 | |
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| gouthamr | ganso: ack - i'll take a look and assist tbarron in writing his email | 15:55 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: you filed it. | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: yep | 15:56 |
| tbarron | it's an API bug, right? | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: yes it is | 15:56 |
| tbarron | does it deserve MEDIUM priority? | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: i think it's a MEDIUM, and a low-hanging-fruit | 15:57 |
| tbarron | playing devil's advocate it seems pretty harmless and not likely to hit | 15:57 |
| tbarron | but let's mark it low hanging fruit | 15:57 |
| tbarron | If someone wants to work on this one, that would be great cleanup and | 15:58 |
| tbarron | I'm sure gouthamr can give you tips is you want to consult with him. | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:58 |
| tbarron | Just assign it to yourself. | 15:59 |
| tbarron | OK, we're out of time folks, | 15:59 |
| tbarron | Thanks! | 15:59 |
| tbarron | and see you in #openstack-manila | 15:59 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 22 15:59:42 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-08-22-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-08-22-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-08-22-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
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