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| priteau | #startmeeting blazar | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 13 09:00:04 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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| priteau | #topic Roll call | 09:00 |
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| priteau | No one online today. I guess it's Obon in Japan. | 09:14 |
| priteau | #endmeeting | 09:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 13 09:14:46 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2019/blazar.2019-08-13-09.00.html | 09:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2019/blazar.2019-08-13-09.00.txt | 09:14 |
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| cmurphy | #startmeeting keystone | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 13 16:00:33 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cmurphy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 16:00 |
| cmurphy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting agenda | 16:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 16:00 |
| vishakha | o/ | 16:00 |
| bnemec | o/ | 16:01 |
| kmalloc | o/ | 16:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 16:01 |
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| cmurphy | hi everyone | 16:02 |
| cmurphy | #topic Shanghai Forum/PTG | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Shanghai Forum/PTG (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:03 | |
| cmurphy | I went ahead and responded to the foundation survey saying we don't need ptg space | 16:03 |
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| kmalloc | basically no one showing up? | 16:03 |
| kmalloc | =/ | 16:03 |
| cmurphy | basically | 16:03 |
| gagehugo | :( | 16:03 |
| cmurphy | i am still moreorless planning on being there barring the usual uncertainty so can be around for ad hoc discussions | 16:03 |
| bnemec | So no onboarding then? | 16:04 |
| cmurphy | no i was still planning on doing the onboarding | 16:04 |
| cmurphy | i guess i should clarify with them | 16:04 |
| bnemec | I think those moved to the PTG this time. | 16:04 |
| bnemec | I guess I don't know if they were going to be scheduled separately though. | 16:05 |
| cmurphy | maybe i can just request an hour for the onboarding | 16:05 |
| cmurphy | they didn't really mention the onboarding part in the survey email | 16:05 |
| cmurphy | regardless, i will still propose a session or two for the forum | 16:06 |
| cmurphy | and would like help coming up with topics | 16:06 |
| cmurphy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-shanghai-ptg ptg/forum etherpad | 16:06 |
| cmurphy | will also start planning the pre- and post- virtual ptgs soon | 16:07 |
| cmurphy | any questions or concerns? | 16:08 |
| cmurphy | or ideas? :) | 16:08 |
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| cmurphy | #topic Feature proposal freeze this week | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Feature proposal freeze this week (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:10 | |
| cmurphy | #link https://releases.openstack.org/train/schedule.html cycle schedule | 16:10 |
| cmurphy | we're still missing a few implementation proposals that are due this week | 16:10 |
| cmurphy | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/specs/keystone/train/expiring-group-memberships.html refreshable group membership | 16:11 |
| cmurphy | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/specs/keystone/train/resource-options-for-all.html resource options for all | 16:11 |
| cmurphy | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/specs/keystone/train/support-federated-attr.html federated attributes | 16:11 |
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| gyee | expiring group membership is not intend for LDAP groups right? | 16:12 |
| cmurphy | gyee: correct, just federated users | 16:12 |
| gyee | k | 16:12 |
| cmurphy | unfortunately knikolla isn't here to discuss two of those | 16:12 |
| cmurphy | kmalloc: any update on resource options? | 16:13 |
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| kmalloc | it's slow going | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | because i've had a lot of other things on my plate. | 16:15 |
| kmalloc | i am carving some time out to land the migrations here soon | 16:15 |
| kmalloc | and the rest of the code shuffle is getting easier. | 16:15 |
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| kmalloc | i think the approach i'm going to do is implement the new table and setup the scaffolding and *then* migrate user options | 16:15 |
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| kmalloc | so we have the support for everything independant of the user options | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | which ahs been the hard(est) part to put together | 16:16 |
| cmurphy | that sounds reasonable | 16:16 |
| cmurphy | would a 1-week extension give enough breathing room to help you with that? | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | possibly. | 16:17 |
| cmurphy | if we went forward with resource options just for roles as in https://review.opendev.org/666739 would that get seriously in the way of the migration work? | 16:21 |
| cmurphy | kmalloc: ^ | 16:24 |
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| cmurphy | okay, well wrt expiring group membership and federated attributes, i will sync up with knikolla but my initial proposal is 1) drop federated attributes till next cycle 2) propose an extension for refreshable group membership | 16:27 |
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| cmurphy | if needed | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | yeah it probably would | 16:27 |
| cmurphy | kmalloc: yeah i figured :/ | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | i can take on the resource options for roles if i get the other support done it should really be minimal code. | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | then adding immutable should be a very small patch. | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | ;i'll do waht i can to get something up this week. | 16:28 |
| cmurphy | alright, thanks kmalloc | 16:29 |
| cmurphy | I will sync up with people by the end of the week and send an email if we need to propose to drop or extend things | 16:30 |
| cmurphy | #topic Noisy policy deprecation warnings | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Noisy policy deprecation warnings (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:31 | |
| cmurphy | so we landed the fix to get these out of the unit tests which is nice | 16:31 |
| cmurphy | #link https://review.opendev.org/673933 | 16:31 |
| cmurphy | it didn't really help with the ci like i had hoped | 16:32 |
| bnemec | :-( | 16:32 |
| cmurphy | i suspect we need to revisit https://review.opendev.org/663065 and actually get the efficiency of our protection tests under control | 16:32 |
| cmurphy | but with regard to the operator-facing issues I proposed kind of a cop-out https://review.opendev.org/674940 | 16:33 |
| cmurphy | wondering if there are any concerns about that approach? | 16:33 |
| cmurphy | we tend to cargocult that warning message to every other policy so want to be sure we agree on it | 16:35 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: maybe we make the warning the generic one | 16:36 |
| kmalloc | and debug run through each rule? | 16:36 |
| kmalloc | and make sure the policy checker CLI emits verbose warnings | 16:36 |
| kmalloc | doesn't address CI things but addresses operator impact | 16:37 |
| gyee | how did it impact ci? we can't handle large log files? | 16:37 |
| kmalloc | hard to read logs, stupid large logs, and slow because emitting tons of lines | 16:37 |
| cmurphy | kmalloc: not sure what you mean by debug run | 16:37 |
| cmurphy | gyee: the logs were around 150MB | 16:37 |
| cmurphy | the ci was sometimes choking on uploading them to the log server | 16:37 |
| gyee | maybe we can setup a filter to optionally filter them out? | 16:38 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: emit the warning for each policy when in debug | 16:38 |
| cmurphy | and trying to load them in a browser caused the browser to crash | 16:38 |
| cmurphy | gyee: we tried that, there are so many it's even more inefficinet | 16:38 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: emit only a generic "hey, we noticed some things, use X command to see more details" when in not-debug mode | 16:38 |
| cmurphy | kmalloc: would we need to add a new thing to oslo.policy? | 16:38 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: and make sure the policy checker tool can emit full output of each rule | 16:39 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: we would need to adjust olso.policy | 16:39 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: for logging purposes, and for CI we would need to keep the "don't emit deprecation warnings" flag. | 16:39 |
| kmalloc | this feels like a debug level message vs a warning message to follow up on | 16:40 |
| cmurphy | okay, i can play around with that | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | and the oslo policy checker tool can be very verbose., | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | and likely should be | 16:40 |
| bnemec | The only thing is that debugging is probably when the log spam is most annoying. | 16:40 |
| bnemec | Maybe we should expose a verbose_deprecations option or something to make it explicit. | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | or we crater this to trace level logging | 16:41 |
| kmalloc | but hard -2 on "verbose_deprecations" | 16:41 |
| bnemec | I thought we were trying to kill off trace? | 16:41 |
| kmalloc | are we? | 16:41 |
| cmurphy | yeah i don't think we use trace any more | 16:41 |
| kmalloc | or just make it a policy checker tool | 16:41 |
| kmalloc | but really -2 on verbose_deprecations. | 16:41 |
| kmalloc | warn that some policys are wonky (1 line) and make the checker tool emit verbose information | 16:42 |
| kmalloc | and indicate the checker tool shgould be used to know what policys are in this state. | 16:42 |
| kmalloc | policy-rules* | 16:42 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I like that. | 16:42 |
| gyee | I am kinda surprised that a log filter didn't work. I thought that's what its for. | 16:42 |
| kmalloc | gyee: too many lines to parse | 16:43 |
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| kmalloc | gyee: it works, it makes CI runs 2-3x longer | 16:43 |
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| gyee | oh wow | 16:43 |
| kmalloc | gyee: and that is a bigger issue than filtering is. | 16:43 |
| cmurphy | so one WARN that indicates something is wrong, a one-line DEBUG for each policy, and a detailed message in the policy checker? | 16:44 |
| kmalloc | one warn that says use the policy checker tool | 16:44 |
| kmalloc | and policy checker tool more verbose | 16:44 |
| kmalloc | no debug for each policy | 16:44 |
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| bnemec | +1 | 16:44 |
| cmurphy | okay | 16:45 |
| kmalloc | we can escalate that one warn up to error/critical as we move closer to finalizing the move | 16:45 |
| cmurphy | sounds good to me | 16:45 |
| cmurphy | #topic review requests | 16:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review requests (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:46 | |
| cmurphy | any other reviews to highlight? | 16:46 |
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| cmurphy | guessing this one is a hard no? https://review.opendev.org/675303 | 16:47 |
| vishakha | System scope for endpoint group policies https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:bug/1818734 | 16:48 |
| cmurphy | thanks for working on those vishakha | 16:48 |
| gyee | 675303 is interesting | 16:49 |
| gyee | that would mess up the API contract | 16:49 |
| gyee | oh hey, they will be conveyed via "extras", kmalloc's favorite :-) | 16:50 |
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| kmalloc | don't do that | 16:51 |
| kmalloc | please | 16:51 |
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| kmalloc | -2, request for more information | 16:53 |
| kmalloc | i want to know the use case and what is being solved rather than a "hey this is a thing" | 16:53 |
| cmurphy | ++ | 16:53 |
| gyee | yeah, I agree | 16:54 |
| cmurphy | i'm also hoping someone not-me can reproduce the issues in https://review.opendev.org/674782 and https://review.opendev.org/674139 and help verify the fixes | 16:54 |
| gyee | I'll take a look at 674782 | 16:54 |
| cmurphy | thanks gyee | 16:55 |
| cmurphy | relevant ml post on that one http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-August/008210.html | 16:55 |
| cmurphy | #topic open floor | 16:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open floor (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:55 | |
| cmurphy | 5 minutes for any other topics? | 16:56 |
| cmurphy | no office hours after this | 16:56 |
| gyee | 674139 is a good one. I've seen that error before. But didn't have the time to investigate how bad of leak that was. | 16:57 |
| cmurphy | it seems to make sense but i first couldn't verify the fix and now for some reason can't reproduce the bug | 16:58 |
| cmurphy | so just wanted someone to sanity check it | 16:58 |
| gyee | yeah, a unit test would be nice | 16:59 |
| cmurphy | ++ | 16:59 |
| cmurphy | time's about up, thanks everyone | 16:59 |
| cmurphy | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 13 16:59:39 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2019/keystone.2019-08-13-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2019/keystone.2019-08-13-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
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