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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 15 16:00:48 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 16:00 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 16:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 16:01 |
| vishakha | o/ | 16:01 |
| knikolla | o/ | 16:02 |
| lbragstad | we don't have much on the agenda - let's give people a minute or two to join | 16:02 |
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| lbragstad | alright | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | #topic announcements | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:04 | |
| lbragstad | #info specification freeze was last week | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | note that we can still file exceptions | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | #info feature proposal freeze is in a couple weeks | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | #link https://releases.openstack.org/stein/schedule.html | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | so not far away - something to be aware of if you're planning feature work and have yet to start the implementation | 16:05 |
| lbragstad | #topic previous action items | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous action items (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:05 | |
| lbragstad | i sent a note to the mailing list about the unified limits discussions | 16:05 |
| lbragstad | and what we need to do to pick that back up again | 16:05 |
| lbragstad | i'll be pinging people again this week - | 16:06 |
| lbragstad | but if you know of anyone internally or something that is looking forward to this work, feel free to socialize into other circles | 16:06 |
| lbragstad | otherwise - we, as a team, had another action item | 16:06 |
| lbragstad | #topic keystone team to review TC vision statement | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "keystone team to review TC vision statement (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:06 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/technical-vision.html | 16:07 |
| lbragstad | does anyone have feedback on this? | 16:07 |
| knikolla | not yet | 16:07 |
| lbragstad | do people still need more time to look? | 16:08 |
| knikolla | ++, i remember reading it around october, but need a refresher | 16:08 |
| vishakha | sorry I also missed it. | 16:08 |
| * gagehugo also should re-read it | 16:08 | |
| lbragstad | ok - let's reassign the action item for next week | 16:08 |
| gagehugo | this is our homework then :) | 16:09 |
| lbragstad | essentially | 16:09 |
| lbragstad | :) | 16:09 |
| lbragstad | #action keystone team to review the TC vision statement for OpenStack Clouds | 16:09 |
| lbragstad | i can send out reminder pings on Monday if people need a nudge | 16:10 |
| lbragstad | just let me know - moving on | 16:10 |
| lbragstad | #topic reviews | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:10 | |
| lbragstad | does anyone have reviews up that need attention? | 16:10 |
| lbragstad | wxy has a bunch of reviews up for domain_id support in unified limits | 16:11 |
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| lbragstad | speaking of wxy-xiyuan | 16:11 |
| lbragstad | there he is | 16:11 |
| lbragstad | caught him trying to sneak in late ;) | 16:11 |
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| wxy-xiyuan | Just online. | 16:11 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 16:11 |
| vishakha | I have one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/627364/ | 16:12 |
| lbragstad | vishakha ah - i've seen that one come through a couples times | 16:12 |
| lbragstad | i can take a look | 16:12 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:bp/domain-level-limit is the unified limit work | 16:12 |
| vishakha | thanks | 16:12 |
| lbragstad | i have a couple of questions on the configuration + keystone-manage commands for jwt | 16:13 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/628676/1 | 16:13 |
| lbragstad | otherwise - i was just going to take a stab at implementing whatever and see what people thoguht | 16:14 |
| * gagehugo looks | 16:14 | |
| lbragstad | i also have a pile of other reviews up | 16:14 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:implement-default-roles | 16:14 |
| lbragstad | if anyone has questions on those - please don't hesitate to ask | 16:14 |
| lbragstad | i realize it's a monster of a series, so i'm happy to make myself available for helping people understand the approach or answer questions | 16:15 |
| gagehugo | something something of doom | 16:15 |
| lbragstad | according to cmurphy, yeah | 16:15 |
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| lbragstad | does anyone else have reviews up that need attention? | 16:16 |
| * cmurphy nope | 16:18 | |
| lbragstad | alright - moving on | 16:18 |
| lbragstad | #topic SFE for Renewable Application Credentials | 16:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SFE for Renewable Application Credentials (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:18 | |
| lbragstad | knikolla o/ | 16:18 |
| knikolla | o/ | 16:18 |
| knikolla | whatever the title says :) | 16:18 |
| knikolla | any objections to a spec freeze exception? | 16:19 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604201/ | 16:19 |
| lbragstad | looks like it's still pending some updates? | 16:19 |
| knikolla | there has been some good feedback which i plan to incorporate, and then take it from there | 16:19 |
| knikolla | but wanted to see if people were ok with this being done in stein before i spend the time on that | 16:20 |
| cmurphy | how long do you think that will take? and then is there enough time to do the implementation? | 16:20 |
| lbragstad | knikolla with the updates you plan to make, do you think you'll have something up code-wise in a couple weeks? | 16:20 |
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| knikolla | i think so. | 16:20 |
| lbragstad | i think, based on the discussions we've had with people, there is agreement on the feature in general | 16:20 |
| lbragstad | discussions at summit/ptgs | 16:21 |
| cmurphy | after reading the spec I was actually a little confused on the need for the feature, which i documented in the comments | 16:21 |
| knikolla | i think i responded to that? | 16:21 |
| knikolla | we can rediscuss here though, plenty of time left in the meeting | 16:22 |
| cmurphy | well do we need refreshable application credentials if using autoprovisioning instead of group mapping? | 16:22 |
| knikolla | autoprovisioning does concrete role assignments, so if the users groups change in the external idp changes, the change will not be reflected in the users permissions | 16:23 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604201/2/specs/keystone/stein/renewable-app-creds.rst@29 | 16:24 |
| lbragstad | in case you're following along at home | 16:24 |
| lbragstad | we have always made the assumption that if people are doing concrete role assignments, they need to be prepared to clean up those resources | 16:25 |
| knikolla | in case you want the permissions to expire if the user is disabled in the idp, or removed from idp groups, autoprovisioning won't work. | 16:25 |
| cmurphy | okay | 16:26 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy in your comment - you mention something about moving both federated implementations in the same direction? | 16:27 |
| cmurphy | i think in rereading it now it makes a little more sense that they behave differently | 16:29 |
| cmurphy | it seemed unintuitive at the time | 16:29 |
| lbragstad | ok - is there anything else folks having regarding this? | 16:30 |
| lbragstad | otherwise - we'll probably need to see an update to the spec before formally issuing a freeze exception | 16:30 |
| lbragstad | (which we can do on the ML) | 16:30 |
| knikolla | alright, cool :) | 16:31 |
| lbragstad | anything else here? | 16:31 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 16:32 |
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| cmurphy | I got here late but I did go through the technical vision | 16:32 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy awesome | 16:32 |
| lbragstad | thank you | 16:32 |
| cmurphy | it seems like a lot of it applies to us, either with things we're already doing or working on or things we really should be doing | 16:32 |
| cmurphy | i made some rough notes https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-technical-vision-notes | 16:32 |
| cmurphy | can turn that into a vision document but probably won't have time for a while | 16:33 |
| lbragstad | i didn't put my notes on etherpad - but i had a few of the same points | 16:34 |
| lbragstad | especially with the whole self-service thing | 16:34 |
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| lbragstad | cmurphy already eluded too it, but is anyone opposed to using this as the basis for keystone vision statement? | 16:35 |
| lbragstad | i know we tried doing something like this when we were in denver the first time around | 16:36 |
| cmurphy | i think that was part of what julia asked for, wasn't it? to make a vision statement as part of our contributor guide? | 16:36 |
| lbragstad | yes | 16:36 |
| knikolla | what does a vision statement have to include exactly? | 16:37 |
| lbragstad | it can be anything really | 16:37 |
| cmurphy | i think the tc made it easy, we can copy bits and pieces from the technical vision that apply to us | 16:37 |
| lbragstad | but - it should help us make decisions about the direction of the project and it should help people understand why keystone exists | 16:38 |
| knikolla | how in depth should it be? | 16:39 |
| knikolla | or mostly just a paragraph or two | 16:39 |
| lbragstad | i think it should be deep enough to accurate relay the information we want to relay | 16:39 |
| lbragstad | i don't think we have to follow guidelines for it | 16:39 |
| lbragstad | and i would hate to constrict detail that would be useful because we have to keep it to 3 sentences | 16:39 |
| lbragstad | i would say - let's go through cmurphy's notes and come up with *something* | 16:40 |
| lbragstad | and then we can copy-edit it into something more concise | 16:40 |
| cmurphy | if i was writing it i would start with just a few sentences on each point describing how we're meeting or planning on meeting that part of the vision | 16:40 |
| vishakha | The vision should be based on the these highlights like self service, applcation control etc? | 16:40 |
| cmurphy | those are pulled from the statements in the tc technical vision | 16:40 |
| vishakha | ok Great. | 16:41 |
| cmurphy | we can add more to it if we have thoughts and ideas that aren't encompassed by the tc vision | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | exactly | 16:42 |
| vishakha | Yes I was about to ask this :) | 16:42 |
| lbragstad | the TC wants to encourage that, too | 16:42 |
| lbragstad | even if it doesn't completely jive with the TC vision | 16:42 |
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| lbragstad | if we see something that isn't in the TC vision, but we think it applies to keystone, then we should talk about it and document it - it might be reusable and worked into the TC vision | 16:44 |
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| cmurphy | ++ | 16:45 |
| vishakha | ok thanks for the info | 16:45 |
| lbragstad | we'll still plan to follow-up on this next week | 16:46 |
| lbragstad | i assume we can just keep using cmurphy's etherpad for additional notes | 16:46 |
| cmurphy | sure | 16:46 |
| lbragstad | cool - thanks for kicking starting that | 16:47 |
| lbragstad | does anyone else have anything for open discussion? | 16:47 |
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| lbragstad | does anyone know when kmalloc gets back from his forever-long hiatus? | 16:47 |
| cmurphy | i think he said 17th? | 16:49 |
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| lbragstad | sweet | 16:49 |
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| lbragstad | in other news - i filled out the survey from the foundation about the PTG | 16:50 |
| lbragstad | i used a ceiling estimate based on our last PTG | 16:50 |
| lbragstad | i also said that we'd like to have 3 days | 16:51 |
| lbragstad | but would probably be fine if we had 2 or 2.5 to get through all of our keystone topics | 16:51 |
| lbragstad | if anyone disagrees, let me know and I'll see if i can amend my submission | 16:51 |
| cmurphy | i think 2.5-3 is good if we're going to use forum time for cross-project things that we would usually have had the first two days of ptg | 16:52 |
| knikolla | ++ | 16:52 |
| lbragstad | i also expect we will be working with the edge group - which i would expect to have their own room, like in denver | 16:52 |
| lbragstad | but that could be done in the forum, too i suppose | 16:54 |
| lbragstad | if there isn't anything else - we can wrap up | 16:54 |
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| lbragstad | thanks for the time, everyone | 16:56 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 15 16:56:19 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2019/keystone.2019-01-15-16.00.html | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2019/keystone.2019-01-15-16.00.txt | 16:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2019/keystone.2019-01-15-16.00.log.html | 16:56 |
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