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| priteau | #startmeeting blazar | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 30 09:00:22 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:00 |
| priteau | #topic Roll call | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| priteau | Hello Blazar folks | 09:00 |
| masahito | o/ | 09:00 |
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| priteau | Hi masahito | 09:01 |
| priteau | Clocks in Europe have changed to winter time on Sunday, hopefully Bertrand will have noticed that the meeting is one hour earlier :-) | 09:02 |
| priteau | masahito: Do you know if tetsuro is joining today? | 09:02 |
| masahito | priteau: He didn't say anything. | 09:03 |
| masahito | I'll ping him. | 09:03 |
| priteau | Thank you | 09:05 |
| priteau | Let's start, he might join later | 09:07 |
| priteau | Agenda for today: | 09:07 |
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| priteau | 1. Project Update @ Berlin Summit | 09:07 |
| priteau | 2. Forum @ Berlin Summit | 09:07 |
| masahito | He still doesn't replay me. We can start :-) | 09:07 |
| priteau | 3. Blazar specifications | 09:07 |
| priteau | 4. stein-2 milestone | 09:07 |
| priteau | 5. AOB | 09:07 |
| priteau | Hi tetsuro | 09:07 |
| tetsuro | Hi sorry to be late | 09:07 |
| priteau | No problem | 09:08 |
| priteau | #topic Project Update @ Berlin Summit | 09:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project Update @ Berlin Summit (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:08 | |
| priteau | Our talk is getting close to its final state now | 09:08 |
| priteau | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nsuiQe72E0cYELSI8qLmNwVm4SOXzuf01akzqKEZ1TE/edit | 09:09 |
| masahito | I updated Rocky features page. | 09:09 |
| priteau | Thank you masahito for adding content about Rocky | 09:09 |
| priteau | I added content for Beyond Stein too | 09:09 |
| masahito | Nice | 09:10 |
| priteau | masahito: could you add a bit more details about the use cases for NFV on slide 2? | 09:10 |
| masahito | got it | 09:11 |
| priteau | There's a TODO | 09:11 |
| priteau | I'll add another slide after slide 2 to describe the current kind of reservations available (instance and host) | 09:12 |
| priteau | And how users create them | 09:12 |
| priteau | This was a suggestion from tetsuro last week | 09:12 |
| priteau | Maybe a screenshot of blazar-dashboard too? | 09:13 |
| masahito | That's nice idea. | 09:14 |
| priteau | Any other suggestion to improve the talk? | 09:14 |
| priteau | We've got just two weeks left before the summit, so we should make the final changes by next meeting | 09:15 |
| masahito | If time is allowed, the interest from Scientifc-WG is good contents for the session. | 09:16 |
| masahito | I don't know who has an interest to Blazar project except us, but the showing common interest makes sense. | 09:18 |
| priteau | I think a main blocker for scientific clouds to adopt Blazar could be the lack of quotas | 09:18 |
| priteau | At the moment one user could reserve the entire OpenStack cloud | 09:19 |
| priteau | So we need to make progress on integration with Nova quotas | 09:19 |
| priteau | It's on the "Beyond Stein" slide | 09:20 |
| priteau | Should we move to the next topics? | 09:20 |
| masahito | yup | 09:21 |
| tetsuro | yes | 09:21 |
| priteau | #topic Forum @ Berlin Summit | 09:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Forum @ Berlin Summit (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:21 | |
| priteau | Just a reminder that we've got two forum sessions, both of them have Etherpads now | 09:21 |
| priteau | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Berlin2018-Forum-Extending-Blazar-reservations | 09:21 |
| priteau | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-python-bindings-for-the-placement-api | 09:22 |
| priteau | Hopefully we'll have a good turnout | 09:23 |
| priteau | #topic Blazar specifications | 09:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blazar specifications (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:23 | |
| priteau | Our blazar-specs repo is now live | 09:23 |
| priteau | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/blazar-specs | 09:23 |
| priteau | It's empty for now but I will populate it later | 09:24 |
| priteau | I propose that we finish working on the floating IP spec in the blazar repo, so that comments are all in the same place | 09:24 |
| priteau | New specs will go to blazar-specs | 09:25 |
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| priteau | What do you think of this approach? | 09:26 |
| tetsuro | THat sounds a right way to go. | 09:26 |
| masahito | It makes sense. | 09:26 |
| priteau | Great, I will go ahead with this plan. | 09:27 |
| priteau | #topic stein-2 milestone | 09:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stein-2 milestone (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:28 | |
| priteau | I moved most bugs and blueprints that we couldn't tackle for stein-1 to the stein-2 milestone | 09:29 |
| priteau | #link https://launchpad.net/blazar/+milestone/stein-2 | 09:29 |
| priteau | I'd like to do more reviews but I keep finding more bugs to fix! | 09:29 |
| priteau | Last one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/blazar/+bug/1800463 | 09:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1800463 in Blazar "Hosts are not added to aggregate when updating an active reservation" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Pierre Riteau (priteau) | 09:29 |
| priteau | After the summit we could have a review meeting to go through the backlog | 09:32 |
| masahito | okay | 09:33 |
| priteau | Any comment about stein-2? | 09:33 |
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| priteau | masahito: Are you planning to push a new version of the floating IP spec as per your last comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/609302/ | 09:36 |
| masahito | oops, yes. | 09:36 |
| masahito | I forgot pushing the spec, sorry. I'll do that tomorrow. | 09:36 |
| priteau | Thank you! | 09:37 |
| priteau | #topic AOB | 09:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:38 | |
| priteau | Anything else to discuss? | 09:38 |
| masahito | I have one item | 09:39 |
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| masahito | The place of the document for blazar-status command. | 09:39 |
| masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/611811/ | 09:39 |
| masahito | This patch adds its CLI document to CLI section. IMHO, it's a section for user's CLI. | 09:40 |
| priteau | Right. In Nova it is located at https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/user/upgrade.html | 09:42 |
| masahito | So my suggestion is adding an admin section or upgrade section. | 09:42 |
| priteau | This is because their user guide is split in several sections, one is for end users and one for maintenance | 09:43 |
| priteau | Although they also have a separate admin guide at https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/admin/index.html | 09:43 |
| masahito | Okay, I'll push another follow-up patch to move its section. | 09:43 |
| priteau | I think the simplest approach for us is to create an upgrade section in the user guide | 09:44 |
| priteau | At the same time we should document blazar-db-manage | 09:44 |
| masahito | Right. | 09:44 |
| priteau | Thanks for volunteering to improve the patch masahito | 09:44 |
| priteau | Anything else? | 09:46 |
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| priteau | tetsuro is back. tetsuro, any AOB? | 09:48 |
| priteau | If not we can finish early | 09:48 |
| tetsuro | No, sorry | 09:48 |
| priteau | OK, thanks for joining everyone! | 09:49 |
| priteau | #endmeeting | 09:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 09:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 30 09:49:45 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-10-30-09.00.html | 09:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-10-30-09.00.txt | 09:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-10-30-09.00.log.html | 09:49 |
| masahito | bye | 09:49 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 30 16:00:39 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 16:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 16:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 16:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 16:01 |
| kmalloc | o/ | 16:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 16:02 |
| lbragstad | give folks another 30 seconds | 16:02 |
| * kmalloc drinks more coffee while waiting | 16:02 | |
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| wxy| | o/ | 16:02 |
| lbragstad | #topic TC Vision Feedback | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "TC Vision Feedback (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:03 | |
| lbragstad | in case you haven't seen it | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-October/136034.html | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | applies to us | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | if you have opinions, comments, questions, or concerns, feel free to weigh in | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | #topic Athenz and Auto Provisioning | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Athenz and Auto Provisioning (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:04 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-shadow-mapping-athenz-delta | 16:04 |
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| lbragstad | penick posted responses to questions in there | 16:04 |
| kmalloc | nice | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | depending on his availability, we might see if we can get him in our meeting next week if we have more questions | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | he did offer to participate in a hangout/vc if people find that useful | 16:05 |
| lbragstad | feel free to weigh in on the approach, or leave comments about what might be feasible to upstream into keystone's auto-provisioning implementation | 16:05 |
| lbragstad | does anyone have immediate questions on this topic? | 16:06 |
| lbragstad | ok - moving on | 16:07 |
| lbragstad | #topic Dead Code/Doc Cleanup | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Dead Code/Doc Cleanup (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:07 | |
| lbragstad | kmalloc o/ | 16:07 |
| kmalloc | take a look at the links on the agenda | 16:07 |
| kmalloc | a few of us have been on a "clean up the dead code" kick | 16:07 |
| kmalloc | (notably wxy| cmurphy and myself) | 16:07 |
| kmalloc | this is removing a lot of ancient stuff we don't need anymore | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystonemiddleware+branch:master+topic:bug/1649735 | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/614172/ | 16:08 |
| hrybacki | infinite++ | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/612625/4 | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | there will be more | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613218/1 | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613513/3 | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | thanks kmalloc cmurphy wxy| | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | but this is very much something we need to keep our eyes on | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | old code causes weird problems | 16:08 |
| knikolla | awesome! | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | like spamming the keystone server for the revocation list that is a 410 now | 16:09 |
| kmalloc | (KSM) | 16:09 |
| kmalloc | so, if you see code that needs to go | 16:10 |
| kmalloc | spin a quick pack | 16:10 |
| kmalloc | patch* | 16:10 |
| kmalloc | while i like these as low-hanging fruit, clearly we have to still do the cleanup even if we don't have someone picking them up | 16:10 |
| kmalloc | so, my opinion is we should just clean some stuff up ever now and again | 16:10 |
| kmalloc | espeically the big ones like PKI[z] support in KSM | 16:11 |
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| lbragstad | makes sense - i'll review those patches today | 16:11 |
| kmalloc | because it removes a lot of bitrot code | 16:11 |
| kmalloc | and less to maintain is good for us(tm) | 16:11 |
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| lbragstad | any other patches to note regarding dead code? | 16:13 |
| kmalloc | nothing yet | 16:13 |
| lbragstad | #topic Bug Smash | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug Smash (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:13 | |
| lbragstad | kmalloc? | 16:14 |
| knikolla | wondering how a "dead code" halloween costume would look like | 16:14 |
| gagehugo | (un)dead code | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | I went through and triaged/smashed/closed/etc a TON of bugs across our projects | 16:14 |
| cmurphy | I reopened a couple of those btw | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | if i mis-closed a bug, please don't hesitate to open it back up (cmurphy caught a few) | 16:14 |
| cmurphy | :) | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: :) | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | also don't hesitate to be aggressive about closing/marking bugs as incomplete if they need more info | 16:15 |
| kmalloc | I'd like to see us down under 100 bugs for keystone by end of stien | 16:15 |
| kmalloc | we're at ~130ish | 16:15 |
| lbragstad | yeah - we've been trending higher over the last 180ish days... | 16:15 |
| kmalloc | most of them are small amounts of code to fix, e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613633/ | 16:15 |
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| kmalloc | but it's not exactly "easy" to figure out what needs to be done | 16:15 |
| kmalloc | another example: | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613455/ | 16:16 |
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| kmalloc | just long running bugs we should bubble to the top of our lists | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | most of the other projects are in the single digit or sub 30 bugs | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | other = our other, aka not-server | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | some are really in depth, i expect those to take longer | 16:17 |
| lbragstad | it would be nice to have keystone server under 100 by the time we release stein | 16:17 |
| gagehugo | we did finally fix that one doc issue about the port # that would be re-opened as a new bug at least once a week | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | but we have mostly been letting bugs sit, and either they are not relevant (we aren't going to fix) or we should fix them | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | gagehugo: we have a lot of doc bugs | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | those are really unfun to fix | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | :( | 16:18 |
| lbragstad | we have a lot of documentation work in general | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | i'd like to get us to really consider a bug-zero target | 16:18 |
| lbragstad | especially the duplication from the Great Doc Migration in Pike | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | meaning, all bugs are actively worked on (longer bugs) or have fixes proposed | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | or are in an incomplete/need more data state | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | e.g. the awful admin-ness bug wont be closed until scope_type work is done | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | i don't expect bug-zero in stien | 16:20 |
| lbragstad | which we're planning to get done in stein | 16:20 |
| kmalloc | but we should aim to knock down to sub 100, if we are sub 100 this cycle we can aim for sub 50 next | 16:20 |
| kmalloc | and if we are 50 or under, i think bug-zero is a real target | 16:20 |
| lbragstad | half of the scope_types bugs are in progress | 16:20 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=policy | 16:20 |
| kmalloc | ++ | 16:20 |
| lbragstad | thanks to vishakha for helping out there | 16:21 |
| kmalloc | vishakha has been working on a bunch of bugs | 16:22 |
| kmalloc | it's fantastic | 16:22 |
| cmurphy | I've been looking for interesting low-hanging-fruit tasks for all the outreachy applicants, if any of these bugs are easy fixes but missing the low-hanging-fruit tag please add it, or if any of them could maybe be broken down into smaller tasks that a newbie could do please let me know | 16:22 |
| kmalloc | we also have had some wonderful outreachy-potential folks stepping in on the low hanging ones | 16:22 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: ++ | 16:22 |
| cmurphy | i had to remove the low-hanging-fruit from a couple of troll bugs | 16:23 |
| lbragstad | thanks for helping with that kmalloc and cmurphy | 16:23 |
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| lbragstad | cmurphy do you remember which ones? | 16:23 |
| cmurphy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1570463 https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1579659 | 16:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1570463 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "RFE: keystone-manage CLI to allow using syslog & specific log files" [Medium,Incomplete] - Assigned to Maram El-Salamouny (maramelsalamouny) | 16:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1579659 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "oauth login silently ignores scope" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to omkar_telee (omkar-telee) | 16:24 |
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| * kmalloc would close that first bug as "wont fix" tbh | 16:24 | |
| kmalloc | you can totally pipe output to the syslog injector binary | 16:25 |
| cmurphy | i was trying to figure out if it's already fixed | 16:25 |
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| kmalloc | it might be with keystone's log.conf | 16:25 |
| kmalloc | but i would just say pipe to logger | 16:25 |
| kmalloc | that would be the way i'd do it in any environment i manage | 16:26 |
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| kmalloc | because configuring keystone-manage sounds like a TON of work | 16:26 |
| cmurphy | triaging the bug isn't the topic ;) | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | anyway | 16:26 |
| lbragstad | anything else we want to cover on bugs | 16:26 |
| lbragstad | ? | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | we should re-visit friday-bug-day | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | just make sure all bugs are triaged | 16:27 |
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| kmalloc | post summit* | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | not pre-summit | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | :P | 16:27 |
| lbragstad | mm | 16:27 |
| lbragstad | we moved away from friday's because of $reasons | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | the weekly bug smash did keep bugs at least with eyes. | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | could be any day | 16:27 |
| lbragstad | but i wouldn't be opposed to focusing on bugs during office hours | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | just a weekly "hey folks, triage bugs" | 16:27 |
| lbragstad | if question queues are down | 16:27 |
| hrybacki | ++ pragmatic | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | just once a week make sure new bugs haven't lingered for months. | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | or weeks | 16:28 |
| lbragstad | sure | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | or well longer :P | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | obviously more triaging is good | 16:28 |
| lbragstad | i notice several other projects use their weekly meetings to do group triage | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | 1st hour of office hours == quick triage? | 16:29 |
| lbragstad | that's not something we've typically done, but i wouldn't mind spreading the triage knowledge around a bit | 16:29 |
| hrybacki | dumb question -- is there anything like an sla between cores and community wrt bug responses? | 16:29 |
| kmalloc | hrybacki: typically no | 16:29 |
| cmurphy | hrybacki: it's not just "cores" who are responsible for bugs | 16:29 |
| kmalloc | anyone may triage bugs. | 16:29 |
| lbragstad | hrybacki sla as in the community must respond to bugs within X days or something like that? | 16:30 |
| cmurphy | kmalloc: or fix them | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | and sometimes reporter needs to supply more info | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: ++ | 16:30 |
| hrybacki | not what I meant -- but if there was something they'd have to pin it to /a/ group | 16:30 |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: aye | 16:30 |
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| kmalloc | there is no set SLA in that regard | 16:30 |
| hrybacki | ack | 16:30 |
| lbragstad | part of the Apache2 license covers part of that | 16:30 |
| * kmalloc is done harping on bugs. | 16:31 | |
| kmalloc | :) | 16:31 |
| kmalloc | thanks all! | 16:31 |
| ayoung | There is only one bug I care about | 16:31 |
| hrybacki | interesting /me notes a review | 16:31 |
| hrybacki | lol ayoung | 16:31 |
| hrybacki | which one? | 16:31 |
| cmurphy | lol | 16:31 |
| * hrybacki ducks | 16:31 | |
| ayoung | I'm a man with a one track mind. So much to do in one lifetime.... | 16:31 |
| lbragstad | hrybacki you're playing with fire | 16:31 |
| knikolla | haha | 16:31 |
| * hrybacki runs and hides | 16:32 | |
| ayoung | Not a man for compromise and where's and why's and living lies | 16:32 |
| * lbragstad braces himself for an ayoung rant | 16:32 | |
| lbragstad | ;) | 16:32 |
| ayoung | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFDcoX7s6rE | 16:32 |
| ayoung | Just excited for Bohemian Rhapsody this weekend, actually. | 16:32 |
| kmalloc | hrybacki: don't encourage it :P | 16:32 |
| ayoung | :) | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: i've heard VERY good things, but lets talk about that outside of the meeting | 16:33 |
| lbragstad | oh - i know | 16:33 |
| hrybacki | I'll stop poking the ants nest | 16:33 |
| lbragstad | i want to see that movie so bad | 16:33 |
| lbragstad | alrighty - moving | 16:33 |
| lbragstad | on | 16:33 |
| lbragstad | #topic KSA Rate Limiting | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "KSA Rate Limiting (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:33 | |
| lbragstad | kmalloc o/ again? | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | This needs tests. | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | BUT | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | I want eyes on this to see if this belongs in ksa | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | I think it is worthwhile | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | but it could go up in SDK instead | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | this implements ratelimiting mechanisms in KSA itself | 16:34 |
| ayoung | KSA? | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | keystoneauth | 16:34 |
| ayoung | Why on the client side? | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | so the client can say "i don't want to overload X server" | 16:34 |
| ayoung | KSA2? | 16:34 |
| ayoung | hmmm | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | or "we might get locked out if we ask too many times, so please don't ask too many times" | 16:34 |
| ayoung | LIke LDAP? | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | this is allowing the client to limit their requests to <any> service | 16:35 |
| kmalloc | not just assuming the server will be pleasant about it | 16:35 |
| kmalloc | nodepool specifically needs this kind of functionality, but if nodepool does it is likely someone else does too | 16:35 |
| ayoung | When you say it that way, it sounds like SDK | 16:35 |
| kmalloc | and the lower the level it is supported the easier it is to maintain | 16:36 |
| cmurphy | I sort of grimaced at it but mordred made the point that there is already retry logic in ksa | 16:36 |
| kmalloc | not everything uses SDK. | 16:36 |
| kmalloc | and KSA does have.. yes what cmurphy said | 16:36 |
| cmurphy | so rate limiting sort of goes with that | 16:36 |
| mordred | I didn't do it | 16:36 |
| * mordred reads | 16:36 | |
| lbragstad | makes sense | 16:36 |
| kmalloc | so, please +1/+2/-1 (please do not -2, we're not at that point yet) | 16:36 |
| ayoung | not everything uses KSA either. CloudForms goes with Fog | 16:36 |
| kmalloc | i'd like eyes and comments. | 16:36 |
| mordred | so - the reason I think it needs to be in ksa and not sdk (where it is now) | 16:37 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: aye, but most things python use KSA | 16:37 |
| mordred | is that automatic retries are handled at the ksa layer | 16:37 |
| mordred | and so are invisible as requests to the sdk layer | 16:37 |
| ayoung | Ok. | 16:37 |
| * knikolla pokes mordred: we should talk about the summit talk at some point soon | 16:38 | |
| mordred | knikolla: yeah. :) | 16:38 |
| kmalloc | mordred: and i largely agree, but want the other keystone folks to have eyes on it | 16:38 |
| kmalloc | and it will have tests before it lands | 16:38 |
| * lbragstad makes a note to review | 16:38 | |
| ayoung | What will it break to have it in KSA? | 16:38 |
| mordred | also - fwiw - the code allows two things - client-side rate limiting, as well as concurrency limiting - we have found that both are essential in real-world use like nodepool | 16:39 |
| kmalloc | but, right now just looking at "is this a good idea and a good impl" is what we wanty | 16:39 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: should break nothing, it's opt-in use only | 16:39 |
| mordred | ayoung: nothing. it should be completely no-op if you don't opt-in | 16:39 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: as it should be | 16:39 |
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| ayoung | Just to complete the thought...if this is so important, should it be OPT in, or is that only due to paranoia? | 16:39 |
| kmalloc | it must be opt in, because you want the client to specify how limited things should be | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | many times a couple simple retries isn't bad | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | the client/consumer is the only thing that can know how limited the rate of requests should be | 16:40 |
| mordred | yeah - it's extra overhead that many people don't need - but if you're at scale, you will need it | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | if it's a "this might break the server" case, the server should protect itself | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | (different story) | 16:40 |
| mordred | 'should' | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | yeah, so not opening THAT can of worms right now | 16:41 |
| * mordred flexes arms and remembers crashing public clouds before having implemented client-side rate limiting :) | 16:41 | |
| lbragstad | anything else on this topic? | 16:42 |
| ayoung | OK...we'll look with appropriate understaning now. Anything else on that? | 16:42 |
| kmalloc | nope. | 16:42 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 16:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:42 | |
| kmalloc | except please do not -2 ;) | 16:42 |
| lbragstad | floor is open | 16:42 |
| cmurphy | Like I mentioned before I'm looking for good low hanging fruit tasks for newbies to get their hands dirty without having a lot of keystone context | 16:43 |
| cmurphy | so if you can think of any or run across any let me know | 16:43 |
| lbragstad | i'll keep my eyes open | 16:43 |
| ayoung | cmurphy, so, my advice to people lately has been to start with code reviews, not bug fixes | 16:43 |
| ayoung | find some thing they understand, and ask questions. | 16:43 |
| ayoung | No +1-1 required | 16:43 |
| cmurphy | ayoung: that's a good point | 16:44 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: that has always been my recommendation | 16:44 |
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| ayoung | and those questions usually lead to a discussion, which leads to the original poster sometimes saying "hey that is a good idea." | 16:44 |
| kmalloc | however, a lot of recent code reviews have been ... a little dense :) | 16:44 |
| kmalloc | i think we're through the worst of that for now. | 16:44 |
| cmurphy | yeah, it would be a little flood-gate-y | 16:44 |
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| ayoung | If they want, and the author agrees, they can make that change for the original poster by updating the patch, and there there they go... | 16:45 |
| ayoung | Great for Typos, and doc changes esp | 16:45 |
| kmalloc | also followup patches for nits/typos are good | 16:46 |
| kmalloc | 100% would support someone wanting to submit their own patch to fix the things if they so desired like that | 16:46 |
| ayoung | kmalloc, I wish that had always been the norm here....sometimes I miss Brant, sometimes I don't | 16:46 |
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| lbragstad | slightly unrelated - but i have a couple patches up to oslo.context and oslo.policy that will make the scope_types work in keystone easier | 16:47 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/611443/ | 16:48 |
| cmurphy | so I'll definitely keep this in mind but also being able to see your code land is really motivating especially since a lot of these people are students | 16:48 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, oooh, so does ozz | 16:48 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613635/ | 16:48 |
| lbragstad | and #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/614195/ | 16:48 |
| lbragstad | those things should make it easier for us to do complete user management with scope-types | 16:48 |
| lbragstad | (like the demo i did a week or two ago) | 16:49 |
| ayoung | I like, in general | 16:49 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613313/ | 16:49 |
| ayoung | That allows a much wider set of testing. One thing we can't do now: check if the right project ID was set | 16:50 |
| lbragstad | nice - i'm on that review | 16:50 |
| kmalloc | yeah that one has been on my list for a couple days | 16:50 |
| ayoung | like, we only cjheck the ID from the token, and assume a match. That one thos, goes much further and allows a lot of target stuff | 16:50 |
| ayoung | the one things we don't do is test via oslo-context. | 16:50 |
| ayoung | I'm working on a unit test for the checker code, so we can build it out for this one | 16:51 |
| ayoung | coding features so you can talk about them during presentation in the summit is an interesting dynamic. Its like "How should we do this right...oh, we need that..." | 16:52 |
| kmalloc | we should also expose the flatten mechanism as part of the policy check, like "flatten_target" inherent to olso.policy | 16:53 |
| kmalloc | opt-in so we don't break anyone | 16:53 |
| kmalloc | but it would be a nice-to-have | 16:53 |
| ayoung | kmalloc, yeah, we need to move some of the mechanisms we build for the CLI into toolijng for others to use. That one is the obvious one, aloth, for servicees, they tend to use context, which does that for you...sort of | 16:54 |
| ayoung | aloth.>altho | 16:54 |
| lbragstad | unrelated: does simo work at red hat? | 16:54 |
| kmalloc | yes. | 16:54 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, yep | 16:55 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, still in my old group, that does IdM etc | 16:55 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: if you can get another pass by simo on the jwt thing | 16:55 |
| ayoung | happy to do so | 16:55 |
| kmalloc | thnx | 16:55 |
| lbragstad | timing isn't ideally, but i agree with cmurphy that it would be nice to get their eyes on the jwt thing one more time | 16:55 |
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| kmalloc | i have one more review that i want to raise up as a potential thing | 16:55 |
| lbragstad | thanks ayoung and kmalloc | 16:55 |
| kmalloc | for folks to look at | 16:55 |
| kmalloc | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613681/ | 16:56 |
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| ayoung | So... will JWT give us a way to do PKI type signing? | 16:56 |
| kmalloc | that requires some work, but i want some extra eyes to determine if a None header is within WSGI spec | 16:56 |
| kmalloc | the rest of the code should be "ok" otherwise. | 16:56 |
| ayoung | specifically, I want one keystone to be able to sign a token, and for other services to be able to validate without forging them | 16:56 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: eventually. JOSE with asym encryption/validation | 16:56 |
| kmalloc | but that is a few steps outside of JWT addition | 16:57 |
| cmurphy | erm that's for other keystones to validate them, not other non-keystone services | 16:57 |
| kmalloc | to keystone | 16:57 |
| cmurphy | right? | 16:57 |
| kmalloc | it could be possible | 16:57 |
| lbragstad | yeah - that is noted specifically as an advantage of jwt | 16:57 |
| ayoung | cmurphy, anyojne should be able to validate.... | 16:57 |
| kmalloc | 3 minutes, time check | 16:57 |
| ayoung | the only reason we send them back to keystone is because of the Fernet spec. PKI tokens were validated in the services | 16:57 |
| * kmalloc ducks out, food. | 16:58 | |
| lbragstad | the major hurdle is that services need roles | 16:58 |
| kmalloc | be back in -keystone post meeting. | 16:58 |
| lbragstad | in order to do rbac | 16:58 |
| lbragstad | and we don't include unbound things in the token payload | 16:58 |
| ayoung | cmurphy, and, one Keystone may not be a peer to the other keystone. I was brainstorming some of this for the edge talk | 16:58 |
| * ayoung needs to go find the slip of paper he was scribbling on with all these ideas | 16:59 | |
| lbragstad | we can take this to -keystone later, too | 16:59 |
| lbragstad | thanks for coming, all | 16:59 |
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| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 30 16:59:55 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-10-30-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-10-30-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-10-30-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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