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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 19 15:00:54 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| zhongjun__ | hi | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | .o/ | 15:01 |
| ganso | o/ | 15:01 |
| tbarron | manila courtesy ping: gouthamr zhongjun xyang markstur toabctl bswartz ganso erlon tpsilva vkmc vgreen erlon dustins | 15:01 |
| markstur | hi | 15:01 |
| * tbarron waits a minute | 15:01 | |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:02 |
| bswartz | Someone needs to send gouthamr some coffee | 15:02 |
| tbarron | looks like he was busy reviewing last night | 15:02 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:02 |
| zhongjun__ | hi | 15:02 |
| vgreen | o/ | 15:02 |
| tbarron | Hi all! | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | not as fast as zhongjun__ writing code i suppose :P | 15:02 |
| zhongjun__ | gouthamr: coffee enjoy :D | 15:03 |
| tbarron | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #topic announcments | 15:03 |
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| dustins | \o | 15:03 |
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| tbarron | just a reminder that we have a PTG planning etherpad on which you can indicate | 15:03 |
| tbarron | 1) plans for attendance, in person or remote | 15:04 |
| tbarron | 2) topics | 15:04 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ptg-planning-denver-2018 | 15:04 |
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| tbarron | That's all I have for announcements, we'll talk about M3 in a moment | 15:05 |
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| tbarron | Anyone else have announcemnts? | 15:05 |
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| erlon | hey | 15:05 |
| tbarron | hey erlon | 15:05 |
| tbarron | #topic review focus | 15:06 |
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| tbarron | M3 is upon us. | 15:06 |
| tbarron | 26 July, feature freeze | 15:06 |
| tbarron | we can merge bug fixes, test only changes, etc. after that but | 15:06 |
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| erlon | tbarron, do any of us have the gear to do the remote sharing? | 15:06 |
| tbarron | even if it's marked as a bug rather than a blueprint, | 15:07 |
| tbarron | we won't be doing microversion bumps | 15:07 |
| tbarron | we'll be going into soft string freeze, etc. | 15:07 |
| tbarron | erlon: I'm hoping that ganso will bring his camera ... | 15:08 |
| ganso | erlon, tbarron: last time we had Ben's camera and microphone | 15:08 |
| ganso | tbarron: I don't have a camera | 15:08 |
| tbarron | ganso: ah, it was Ben's | 15:08 |
| erlon | I have attended remotely once and is very hard to listen when is not possible to move the mic around | 15:08 |
| bswartz | Well more acurately it belongs to Tim | 15:08 |
| bswartz | And I purloined it for the PTG | 15:08 |
| * tbarron notes that it's be nice to Tim day | 15:08 | |
| tbarron | xyang and gouthamr were remote last time - how was the sound? | 15:09 |
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| gouthamr | i was hardly around, but it was decent i think... | 15:10 |
| ganso | I need to confirm with my manager if I can take one camera that we have here, but it will not be as good as the one we had previously used | 15:10 |
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| ganso | tbarron: I watched the recordings and the audio and video were very good | 15:10 |
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| tbarron | ganso: bswartz: well it would be great then if we could use Tim's again | 15:10 |
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| tbarron | ganso: bswartz: would you guys check on that? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I will look into options | 15:10 |
| erlon | Ill also do some tests with my speakers | 15:11 |
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| tbarron | erlon: great | 15:11 |
| ganso | tbarron: problem is, if bswartz does not go, there will be nobody to take the camera there, as the camera is at RTP, and erlon and I are in Brazil | 15:11 |
| tbarron | thanks all | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | #link https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Conference-BCC950-Webcam-Speakerphone/dp/B0083I7Y8W | 15:11 |
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| tbarron | ah, this was in part a way of highlighting a potential first time event | 15:12 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: you have better things to do? | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | I'll attend remotely | 15:12 |
| * tbarron puts him on the spot | 15:12 | |
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| bswartz | Travel is not approved | 15:13 |
| tbarron | ok, back to #topic | 15:13 |
| dustins | bswartz: :( | 15:13 |
| tbarron | Review focus | 15:13 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-rocky-review-focus | 15:13 |
| zhongjun__ | bswartz: me too:( | 15:14 |
| tbarron | :( I'll put PTG planning on the agenda for next week | 15:14 |
| tbarron | The Inspur driver merged | 15:15 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550454/ | 15:15 |
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| tbarron | netapp snapshot visibility feature and its dependency on | 15:16 |
| tbarron | ensure-shares mod merged | 15:16 |
| tbarron | json schema query validation | 15:16 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550454/ | 15:16 |
| bswartz | wrong link? | 15:17 |
| tbarron | Gouthamr has suggested that we only begin schema validations at a new microversion | 15:17 |
| tbarron | sorry, sec | 15:17 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563429/ | 15:17 |
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| tbarron | so we'd use our old non json validation for older microversions | 15:18 |
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| tbarron | this will simplify the changes needed to get this off the ground and | 15:18 |
| tbarron | ensure 100% backwards compatability | 15:18 |
| tbarron | since otherwise we'd be returning errors for garbage that was previously ignored | 15:19 |
| tbarron | We haven't heard back from the folks implementing this. | 15:19 |
| tbarron | So it seems likely that this work will get moved to the Stein release. | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | +1 this's been quite inconsistently dealt with in the other projects, and we can either retroactively fix our APIs, or make them strictly validate beyond a particular version | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | we need more eyes on that change, and its implications.. | 15:20 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:21 |
| tbarron | If anyone disagrees with the gouthamr view on this one please say so (and says so in the review!) | 15:21 |
| ganso | can't we start strictly validating and then retroactively fix based on our needs? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | Not without possibly breaking something that works today | 15:22 |
| bswartz | And there's no way to know who/what might be broken | 15:22 |
| bswartz | That doesn't mean there isn't room for debate | 15:22 |
| tbarron | I agree with bswartz on this one. We'll be a bit different than cinder and nova at older microversions but | 15:22 |
| tbarron | we're already different from them at those microversions | 15:23 |
| tbarron | And going forwards user experience will converge. | 15:23 |
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| tbarron | Errors will be returned when you put garbage in the request body | 15:23 |
| tbarron | Now if there's a real bug in the past -- something is broken -- we can fix it, but | 15:24 |
| tbarron | ignoring garbage isn't a clear case of broken functionality. | 15:24 |
| ganso | maybe I didn't write it in a good way, but that's what I meant. I think we should fix it for the current microversion so the future ones are correct, and only go back if we ever need to | 15:25 |
| tbarron | Anyways, unless these guys get back on this one very quickly it will get moved to Stein. | 15:25 |
| tbarron | ganso: +1 now knowing we all intend "if we need to" appropriately | 15:25 |
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| tbarron | OK, let's talk about the access rule metadata work. | 15:26 |
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| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563429/ | 15:26 |
| tbarron | did it again, sec | 15:26 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570708/ | 15:27 |
| * gouthamr +1 coffee to East coast please | 15:27 | |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571366/ | 15:27 |
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| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/579534/ | 15:27 |
| ganso | gouthamr: lol | 15:27 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: :D | 15:27 |
| * tbarron is getting used to mouse at new desk and office ... | 15:28 | |
| tbarron | gouthamr has been doing awesome review workk on this one | 15:28 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: what's your sense of its status? | 15:28 |
| zhongjun__ | gouthamr: So many worth comments, Thank you | 15:28 |
| tbarron | *work | 15:28 |
| tbarron | zhongjun__: flattery will get you nowhere :D | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: i think the server-side and tests are close, i had minor-ish suggestions on the tests | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | haven't looked at the client, but i have a good feeling it will be ready today/tomorrow | 15:29 |
| zhongjun__ | tbarron: haha , but It's true | 15:29 |
| tbarron | zhongjun__: I had some weird results testing this in devstack but let me do fresh cherry-picks and see if | 15:30 |
| tbarron | zhongjun__: there's still an issue | 15:30 |
| zhongjun__ | tbarron: I saw your response, sorry but I can not reproduct the error | 15:31 |
| tbarron | bswartz: you had a +1 on this earlier, are you planning to review it again and perhaps try it out in devstack? | 15:31 |
| tbarron | that was at PS#7 and we're at #27 now | 15:32 |
| bswartz | Well it looks like there's more that needs fixing based on gouthamr's comments and zuul | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I'll be happy to take another look after it's not in flux | 15:33 |
| tbarron | correction, #28 | 15:33 |
| tbarron | I'm looking at this one too but our team diversity rules mean we need more than rubber stamp review from someone non Red Hat | 15:34 |
| tbarron | So *everybody* tell your managers and product managers that if they want to get | 15:34 |
| tbarron | *their* features merged in OpenStack then | 15:34 |
| tbarron | there's reciprocity expected. | 15:34 |
| tbarron | OpenStack only works if we have a diverse, active set of reviewers. | 15:35 |
| tbarron | I'm getting concerned about this, but we can come back to it | 15:35 |
| tbarron | as a topic for another meeting. | 15:35 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure if holding patches hostage is the best way to encourage more reviews, but it may be worth a try | 15:35 |
| tbarron | I think short of holding patches hostage we just have | 15:36 |
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| tbarron | to recognize that reviewer bandwidth is finite | 15:36 |
| tbarron | and that the order in which we work backlogs may be | 15:36 |
| tbarron | influenced by whether companies are themselves participating in | 15:36 |
| tbarron | the OpenStack way. | 15:36 |
| tbarron | A good bugfix is a good bugfix no matter what. | 15:37 |
| tbarron | But a bell-and-whistle for a back end may not be considered that important by the community if | 15:37 |
| tbarron | we don't have enough review bandwidth. | 15:37 |
| tbarron | OK, moving along. | 15:37 |
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| tbarron | I think the access list metadata stuff is in pretty good shape. | 15:38 |
| tbarron | And is likely to merge in time for this cycle. | 15:38 |
| tbarron | How about access list rules priority? | 15:38 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572283/ | 15:39 |
| tbarron | #link Reviewers: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/574633/ | 15:39 |
| tbarron | This one is dependent on the metadata stuff | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | looks like we've ignored this change this week | 15:40 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: well Jun has I think attempted to address your major concern | 15:41 |
| zhongjun__ | It's a simple change based on access metadata, but it has less review than metadata patch | 15:41 |
| tbarron | but I got a headache working on this one and it doesn't seem simple to me :D | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:42 |
| tbarron | zhongjun__: maybe if we get some other reviewers they'll think it's simple | 15:42 |
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| gouthamr | zhongjun__: don't think it is simple, wrt user/api impact.. perhaps lesser number of lines of code :) | 15:42 |
| tbarron | zhongjun__: You are doing great work on this but I think b/c it depends on the other one we have some | 15:43 |
| zhongjun__ | It's only add one parameter :D | 15:43 |
| tbarron | serialization effect and | 15:43 |
| zhongjun__ | Cloud we apply FFT for feature that cannot be merged before M3 | 15:43 |
| tbarron | this potentially has quite a bit of driver impact | 15:43 |
| tbarron | FFE | 15:44 |
| tbarron | I think | 15:44 |
| zhongjun__ | oh FFE | 15:44 |
| tbarron | maybe, but the main thing is that we really need to understand the implications well | 15:44 |
| tbarron | this is an area (access rules) where manila has made changes before that we later regretted | 15:44 |
| tbarron | so I don't want to rush this through without thorough review and testing | 15:45 |
| zhongjun__ | tbarron: We already know it when we reviewing the priority spec | 15:45 |
| tbarron | zhongjun__: right, and then we said we'd need to be careful with the implementation | 15:45 |
| tbarron | zhongjun__: I don't think the team has vetted this one well enough yet. | 15:46 |
| tbarron | That's no comment on you. | 15:46 |
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| tbarron | So let's see what reviewers can do. | 15:46 |
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| zhongjun__ | tbarron: okay | 15:46 |
| tbarron | I just don't want anyone to be surprised at this point. | 15:46 |
| tbarron | If this work has to continue into Stein then that's not the end of the world. | 15:47 |
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| tbarron | OK, moving alone | 15:47 |
| tbarron | along | 15:47 |
| tbarron | maybe alone in my views as well :D | 15:47 |
| tbarron | #topic bugs | 15:47 |
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| tbarron | Dustin, you are up. | 15:48 |
| dustins | Sounds good | 15:48 |
| dustins | Short list today | 15:48 |
| dustins | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1781127 | 15:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1781127 in Manila "Share groups created from snapshot can be created with different share group type" [Undecided,New] | 15:48 |
| dustins | So this looks like an issue with share group types and snapshots and that some proper validation is not occurring | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | ah, this is an easy one.. the API needs a minor fix to reject setting the share group type if it isn't the same as the source | 15:50 |
| tbarron | How important is this one? | 15:50 |
| dustins | It doesn't seem super critical, but it does put us into an indeterministic state | 15:51 |
| tbarron | Fix-when-convenient? | 15:51 |
| ganso | it allows the users to do nasty things | 15:51 |
| dustins | ganso: Yeah, and that worries me | 15:51 |
| tbarron | Schedule to be fixed soon? | 15:51 |
| dustins | I think High is a good choice, especially if it allows someone to do something nefarious | 15:51 |
| tbarron | If we set it to High we need to schedule the fix which means we need someone to volunteer to fix it. | 15:52 |
| tbarron | other than gouthamr | 15:52 |
| tbarron | but he can advise | 15:52 |
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| tbarron | and review :D | 15:52 |
| * tbarron is partly joking but we need to balance work a bit | 15:53 | |
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| dustins | tbarron: I can have a look at it | 15:53 |
| * gouthamr /me on the dark side | 15:53 | |
| dustins | Seems like a fairly easy fix | 15:53 |
| tbarron | dustins: awesome | 15:53 |
| dustins | and I can work with gouthamr as my guide | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | ++ | 15:53 |
| dustins | Who says I can't be judge, jury, and executioner? | 15:54 |
| dustins | :) | 15:54 |
| dustins | Moving on... | 15:54 |
| dustins | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1782394 | 15:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1782394 in Manila "Share type extra specs in tempest tests should be enabled only if the tested microversion has support for them" [Undecided,New] | 15:54 |
| dustins | This one is a tempest bug that vkmc found | 15:54 |
| tbarron | Fix when convenient? | 15:55 |
| dustins | Yeah, definitely needs fixing but not right this second | 15:55 |
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| dustins | done! | 15:56 |
| tbarron | Then I think we can have it in our backlong unassigned atm. | 15:56 |
| dustins | Yeah | 15:56 |
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| dustins | Hmm, we should put a link somewhere semi-prominent for new devs to look at triaged, unassigned bugs if they're looking for a way to get into development... | 15:57 |
| dustins | But that might be a topic for another time | 15:57 |
| tbarron | +1, +1 | 15:57 |
| tbarron | timecheck | 15:57 |
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| tbarron | dustins: do you have another quick one? | 15:58 |
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| dustins | Nope! | 15:58 |
| tbarron | #topic open discussion | 15:58 |
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| tbarron | anything? we can take it to #openstack-manila | 15:58 |
| tbarron | OK, thanks everybody!! | 15:59 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 19 15:59:23 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-07-19-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-07-19-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-07-19-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| xyang | tbarron: it went well for me last time. I could hear clearly and follow what was going on. | 16:52 |
| tbarron | xyang: ty! | 16:56 |
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