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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 12 14:01:13 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 12 15:00:28 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| tbarron | manila courtesy ping: gouthamr zhongjun xyang markstur toabctl bswartz ganso erlon tpsilva vkmc vgreen erlon dustins | 15:01 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| zhongjun__ | hi | 15:01 |
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| tbarron | Hi all! | 15:02 |
| erlon_ | Hey | 15:02 |
| tbarron | Looks like we have a pretty small group today | 15:02 |
| tbarron | Hey erlon_ | 15:02 |
| tbarron | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:02 |
| tbarron | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| vgreen | hey | 15:03 |
| tbarron | I set up a PTG planning etherpad here | 15:03 |
| amito | o/ | 15:03 |
| tbarron | Hi vince, amit! | 15:03 |
| dustins | \o | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ptg-planning-denver-2018 | 15:04 |
| tbarron | It's time to lobby your employers and start adding your names to the attendees or remote attendees links there | 15:04 |
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| tbarron | s/links/lines/ | 15:04 |
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| vgreen | submitted my ptg request, cross fingers | 15:04 |
| tbarron | And as you think of subjects we should discuss, please take a minute to add them to the etherpad | 15:05 |
| tbarron | vgreen++ | 15:05 |
| * gouthamr you're doing great work vgreen | 15:05 | |
| tbarron | I think physical presence in Dublin was really useful. And we should have less snow. | 15:05 |
| * gouthamr fails at imitating awesome cephalobot | 15:05 | |
| * tbarron thinks gouthamr lacks a few necessary arms for that role | 15:06 | |
| gouthamr | :P | 15:06 |
| xyang | hi | 15:06 |
| tbarron | OK, that's all I have for announcments, anyone else? | 15:06 |
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| tbarron | xyang !! | 15:06 |
| xyang | :) | 15:06 |
| tbarron | nice to "see" you. | 15:06 |
| xyang | nice to "see" you too:) | 15:07 |
| zhongjun__ | xyang: long time no see :P | 15:07 |
| xyang | :) | 15:07 |
| tbarron | be sure to come to Denver and attend manila PTG Mon & Tuesday, lots of cool cinder and SDS people will be there | 15:07 |
| tbarron | #topic Review Focus | 15:07 |
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| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-rocky-review-focus | 15:07 |
| tbarron | Please take a look | 15:08 |
| tbarron | M3 is approaching | 15:08 |
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| tbarron | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html | 15:09 |
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| tbarron | We really need reviewers, otherwise we're sure to slip work to the next cycle | 15:09 |
| bswartz | Can I ask about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/579534/ | 15:09 |
| tbarron | bswartz: of course | 15:10 |
| bswartz | Zuul keeps voting -1 | 15:10 |
| bswartz | But I haven't looked into why | 15:10 |
| bswartz | zhongjun__: Are the problems easy to fix or is it something more serious? | 15:10 |
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| tbarron | This is for the metadata for access rules work | 15:11 |
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| gouthamr | we have a recurring issue with migration tests on the voting LVM job for one.. but this patch doesn't seem to have failed because of that | 15:12 |
| zhongjun__ | It passed before | 15:13 |
| zhongjun__ | I updated it because I have to fix gouthamr ‘s comments | 15:13 |
| tbarron | it passed on PS#10, right? | 15:14 |
| zhongjun__ | bswartz: Zuul voted +1 in patch 3 | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | Ok I see it | 15:15 |
| bswartz | That was just last night | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I haven't looked since yesterday | 15:15 |
| bswartz | THanks | 15:15 |
| zhongjun__ | patch 10 | 15:16 |
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| tbarron | the failure in the current patch seems to be in the access rules though, on dummy driver | 15:16 |
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| zhongjun__ | thank you to care about that | 15:16 |
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| tbarron | NameError: global name 'CONF' is not defined | 15:16 |
| zhongjun__ | tbarron: yes, and it already fixed now | 15:17 |
| tbarron | seems like an incidental issue | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I'm cool | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | I'll vote after I see another pass | 15:17 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: did your main concerns on this one get addressed? | 15:17 |
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| gouthamr | tbarron: just woke up to zhongjun's new patchsets :D | 15:18 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: ok, thanks for reviewing this one, we'll stay tuned | 15:18 |
| tbarron | moving along then | 15:18 |
| tbarron | Inspur driver | 15:18 |
| zhongjun__ | gouthamr: haha thank you | 15:19 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550454/ | 15:19 |
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| tbarron | Has one +2, needs eyes other than Red Hat | 15:19 |
| tbarron | someone want to sign up for this one? | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | zhongjun__: your previous comments seem to have been addressed | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | on ^ | 15:19 |
| bswartz | Wow, working CI | 15:20 |
| bswartz | Congrats inspur | 15:20 |
| * bswartz notices the 3 hour run time o_O | 15:20 | |
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| tbarron | Yeah they have followed infinidat's good example from the last cycle | 15:20 |
| zhongjun__ | gouthamr: yeah, I will check again asap | 15:20 |
| * tbarron wasn't talking about run time, just being timely and responding to reviews, etc. | 15:21 | |
| tbarron | zhongjun__: I see you are signed up, thanks! | 15:21 |
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| tbarron | moving along | 15:21 |
| tbarron | json query validation | 15:22 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550454/ | 15:22 |
| tbarron | And there may be some others at this point | 15:22 |
| tbarron | They've have posted the basic framework and substance for share-type validation | 15:22 |
| tbarron | This could well trickle into the next release | 15:23 |
| tbarron | which in my view is fine, we can do this incrementally | 15:23 |
| tbarron | But we need some non Red Hat reviewers | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | +1, i see this happening with other projects as well | 15:23 |
| * tbarron thanks gouthamr for his API expertise in joining review team for this one though | 15:23 | |
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| bswartz | fwiw zhongjun is signed up on the etherpad for this one | 15:24 |
| tbarron | bswartz: for the inspur driver, right? | 15:25 |
| zhongjun__ | right? | 15:25 |
| zhongjun__ | oh ,yes | 15:25 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I don't see her for the json query | 15:25 |
| tbarron | and I know she is doing lots of work | 15:25 |
| tbarron | Reviewers at this point seem to be mostly zhongjun, gouthamr, bswartz and myself | 15:26 |
| tbarron | mostly | 15:26 |
| bswartz | Oh sorry I lost context | 15:26 |
| tbarron | So we have limited bandwidth when (as happened to me this last week with some hot customer issues) we have to do other work. | 15:26 |
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| ganso | sorry for not being able to dedicate much time reviewing :( | 15:26 |
| tbarron | It is possible that some work will have to roll to the next release for this reason. | 15:27 |
| tbarron | But if so, then that's just the way it will be. We'll keep a backlog and keep working. | 15:27 |
| tbarron | OK, moving along. | 15:27 |
| tbarron | Priority for access rules | 15:27 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572283/ | 15:27 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572283/ | 15:28 |
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| gouthamr | tbarron: did we finish talking about the "metadata for access rules" bp? | 15:28 |
| tbarron | I personally think this is a tricky one to implement but let's see | 15:28 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: well, you said you were just waking up and I said ok, let's discuss matters in the review | 15:28 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: or that's what I *thought* we said | 15:29 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: should I reset the topic? | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | oh, my bad - i meant the tempest patch | 15:29 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr: ok, #topic is review focus anyways | 15:29 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: do you have things to say on the access rule work? | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | no, just wanted to note that that there is a dependency here - metadata precedes priority | 15:29 |
| tbarron | I mean the metadata for access rule work | 15:30 |
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| tbarron | zhongjun__: bswartz - note ^^^, agree? | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | Yes | 15:30 |
| tbarron | +1 from me | 15:31 |
| zhongjun__ | gouthamr: Thanks for mention that, The priority patch depend on access metadata patch | 15:31 |
| tbarron | OK, I noted that in the etherpad | 15:31 |
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| zhongjun__ | +1 | 15:31 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: did you have other stuff about these two access rule items that you want to bring up? | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | good stuff... i see the spec is mostly implemented in the metadata patches, i haven't tested it yet - will do | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | the consensus on the spec was that there will be no share manager or driver changes | 15:32 |
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| gouthamr | tbarron: so this is fine for you i think, please take a look | 15:33 |
| tbarron | ok, I hope to get back to these later today | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | i.e, *_squash options will not be implemented via the metadata API | 15:34 |
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| tbarron | ack | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | that's all i had.. thanks for the quick turnaround zhongjun__ | 15:35 |
| tbarron | Anything else on review focus for today? | 15:36 |
| zhongjun__ | gouthamr: Thank you for review all day | 15:36 |
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| tbarron | Note that Manila Feature Proposal Freeze is this week so | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: with the priority for access-rules, i'm not convinced it's doing the right thing with respect to access rule updates | 15:36 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: ah, you mentioned that! | 15:37 |
| tbarron | pls. explain for the larger group | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | i see you can set access rule priority while creating the rules, but you can't update the priority of existing rules and get the share manager to apply them on the backend | 15:38 |
| tbarron | so it will *look* like priority has been set but actually no change has been made? | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | yes | 15:39 |
| zhongjun__ | gouthamr: even current code? | 15:39 |
| tbarron | that seems more than an incidental issue with the implementation | 15:39 |
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| gouthamr | zhongjun__: i'll test it today and revert, but i don't know how drivers will react to reapplying existing rules | 15:41 |
| tbarron | zhongjun__: gouthamr - ok, let's check this thoroughly, we've had (with benefit of hindsight) a fair amount of | 15:41 |
| tbarron | oscillation with access rules | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:42 |
| tbarron | wishing we had done things differently | 15:42 |
| tbarron | so thank you zhongjun__ for taking on this important issue! | 15:42 |
| tbarron | and let's review carefully and deliberately! | 15:42 |
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| zhongjun__ | ok | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | for some reason that just reminded me of dolores umbridge | 15:43 |
| tbarron | OK, as I mentioned, we are at Feature Proposal freeze so I will be looking at blueprints and perhaps retargeting | 15:43 |
| ganso | gouthamr: lol | 15:43 |
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| tbarron | if I think we can't reasonably think the work will get done by M3 | 15:43 |
| tbarron | if you disagree with anything being pushed out just ping me | 15:43 |
| tbarron | and we'll talk | 15:44 |
| tbarron | you might have to do an FFE | 15:44 |
| tbarron | in any case the issue may be more about reviewer bandwidth than anything else | 15:44 |
| tbarron | questions? comments? | 15:44 |
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| tbarron | I'm talking about regular blueprints atm, not the stuff we speced. | 15:45 |
| tbarron | ok, next topic | 15:45 |
| tbarron | #topic special casing of API schema validation - gouthamr | 15:45 |
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| gouthamr | thanks tbarron | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | #LINK https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473464/11/manila/api/v2/quota_sets.py@94 | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | #LINK https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572283/3/manila/api/common.py@406 | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | #LINK http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-07-13-15.00.log.txt | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | this is a prior discussion, i wanted to bring it back alive because of the two access rules changes | 15:46 |
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| gouthamr | our APIs aren't perfect and we don't perform strict validation - i.e, many APIs ignore any garbage they don't care about | 15:47 |
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| gouthamr | every time a new key is added in a new version, we seem to be resorting to special case that and respond with 400 to prior API versions | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | we discussed this in the past and agreed that we ought to fix the schema validation for all keys and not special-case it | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | for example, 'priority' is allowed on access-rule create for API v 2.46 | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | but if you use it on API v 2.45, you get BadRequest | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | There's no argument against the schema validation right? | 15:50 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: have you looked at what the proposed json query validation will do for these? | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | this also relates to the JSON schema validation change | 15:50 |
| bswartz | What is the issue? | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | #LINK https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563429/ | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | yep, so that change does this the right way | 15:50 |
| tbarron | jinx | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | preserve API behavior and strictly validate from a particular version | 15:50 |
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| gouthamr | no special casing, you just can't send unrecognized keys | 15:51 |
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| gouthamr | so i'd like some agreement on this issue, is anyone opposed to this idea? i.e, older APIs will ignore garbage | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | newer APIs will strictly validate | 15:52 |
| tbarron | by older and newer apis you mean older and newer microversions? | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | yes | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | JSON schema validation will not all land in one microversion | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | we'll have to do it iteratively | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | the API ref will reflect that validation is added at a particular microversion and garbage will be ignored | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | in the prior versions | 15:54 |
| tbarron | but once it is implemented, say in 2.46, then if 2.45 comes in with "priority" and that is junk you'll get BAD REQUEST | 15:55 |
| bswartz | For perfect backwards compatibility you kind of have to not do schema validation below some version | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: no, it will be ignored | 15:56 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: I am confused though b/c above you said | 15:56 |
| bswartz | But there's not reason not to turn it on across the board at whatever microversion it's introduced at | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: that code needs to be written though | 15:56 |
| tbarron | "but if you use it on API v 2.45, you get BadRequest" - were you | 15:56 |
| tbarron | illustrating the kind of thing you object to? | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: yep, i was talking about the code in flight right now that i have a problem with | 15:57 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: ack | 15:57 |
| bswartz | Is it so hard to have a universal schema validator? | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: zhongjun__ referred me to the earlier (ward cleaver) case where we had a similar discussion at the end of last cycle | 15:58 |
| bswartz | All you need is a schema document and a validator that runs when microversion >= X | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: that is true, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563429/ proposes the validators and all that | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: but it only implements it against one API suite: share types | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: so if we can get the rest between now and M3 deadline, we can do it all in one version | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | time check | 16:00 |
| tbarron | unlikely | 16:00 |
| bswartz | So the challenge is that the schema isn't written down anywhere, and writing it is a lot of work? | 16:00 |
| tbarron | let's continue in #openstack-manila | 16:00 |
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| tbarron | Thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: yep, we've not written the schema outside of the api-ref | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | yep thanks tbarron | 16:00 |
| tbarron | dustins_: we'll talk about share-type-quota test bugs next week! | 16:00 |
| dustins_ | Sounds good! | 16:00 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 12 16:00:59 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-07-12-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-07-12-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-07-12-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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