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* bswartz peeks in the meeting room15:00
tbarron#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 26 15:00:29 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)"15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:00
bswartz.o/15:00
tbarronmanila courtesy ping:  gouthamr zhongjun xyang markstur vponomaryov cknight toabctl bswartz ganso15:00
dustins\o15:00
gansohello15:00
zhongjun_hi15:00
marksturhi15:00
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tpsilvahi15:01
tbarronHi all15:01
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xyanghi15:01
tbarron#topic announcements15:01
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vgreenhi15:01
tbarronPTG will be in Denver15:01
tbarron#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129564.html15:02
gansotbarron: choo choo again?15:02
bswartzStapleton15:02
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tbarronthey say the train situation has improved15:02
amitoganso: should be less noisey this time15:02
tbarronwe will see15:02
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tbarronI haven't started a topics etherpad yet but it's on my list so stay tuned15:02
tbarronI responded to the poll indicating that we do plan to meet there physically rather than15:03
tbarronhave a virtual PTG for manila.15:03
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tbarronDoes anyone have any issues with that?15:03
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tbarron(It's not too late to correct my response)15:03
bswartzWe're barely past milestone 1 -- we don't need to do PTG planning for a long while15:03
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tbarronbswartz: ack15:03
bswartzBut +1 on physical rather than virtual15:04
tbarronI may put up an etherpad soon just so it can gradually accumulate ideas as they occur to people but15:04
bswartzVirtual was only ever a good idea if we were meeting at the summits, and very few of us are15:04
tbarronthen push for filling it out later.15:04
tbarronAnyone for virtual?15:04
tbarronI think the physical meetings in Dublin were pretty successful.15:05
vkmco/15:05
zhongjun_+115:05
amito+1 for physical15:05
ganso+1 for phys15:05
vkmc+1 for physical15:05
tbarronOK, hearing no objections, plan of record stands that we will meet in "Denver" (Stapeleton)15:05
tbarronVancouver Forum Schedule is posted15:06
tbarron#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129867.html15:06
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tbarronI messed up and copied our topics over late so we only got one into the forum.15:06
tbarronSo consider running for PTL next cycle and use that defect against me if I run :)15:07
tbarronBut the topic is a good one15:07
tbarron"running manila at scale & barriers to deployment"15:07
tbarronit consolidates two that we suggested and the remaining ones15:08
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tbarronrunning with non nova instance clients and share-type-quotas experience15:08
tbarroncan be covered under this general topic as well15:08
tbarronso it will be OK I think15:08
marksturshould say "ovecoming barriers" or something like that to spin it positive15:09
tbarronmarkstur: sure, dunno if I can change it at this point but I'll see15:09
tpsilvatbarron: is this the final schedule or it may change after community review?15:09
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tbarronThis is supposed to be set except for schedule conflicts but I'll write15:10
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tbarronJimmy McArthur with markstur's suggested tweak on title15:10
tbarrontpsilva: is that time bad for you?15:10
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tpsilvatbarron: no, it's good15:11
tbarronMonday 11:35-12:1515:11
tbarronok, moving on15:11
tbarronTechnical Committe elections have started15:11
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tbarronand voting ends 1018-04-30 @ 23:45 UTC15:12
tbarron#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129260.html15:12
tbarronBe sure to vote!15:12
tbarronAnyone have anything to say about the election, any candidates, issues, etc?15:13
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tbarronI'll just say that having a good turnout is perceived as an indicator of OpenStack community health15:13
tbarronand I think it's in all our interests that we get lots of participation.15:13
tbarronAny other announcments?15:14
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tbarronok, hearing none ....15:14
tbarron#topic Spec reviews15:14
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tbarron#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54630115:15
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tbarronon this one just a reminder to slackers gouthamr and dustins that they15:15
tbarronare going to do the git move here and then we can approve it15:15
tbarronjust a bookkeeping thing, no big deal15:15
* dustins writes that on a post-it15:16
tbarron#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55293515:16
tbarronThis is the access-list priority spec15:16
tbarronI argued for an alternative solution but15:16
tbarronthere wasn't exactly a ground swell of support for it :)15:16
tbarronIf we were starting green field I think I might be inclined to dig in more,15:17
bswartzSimpler is better15:17
tbarronah, now you are baitiing me, that's what I was saying with the alternative :)15:17
tbarronbut what isn't simpler given our history15:17
tbarronis the backwards compatability issue15:18
bswartzIn this case I mean simpler regarding the implementation15:18
tbarronthe sort is simpler but the user interface is messier15:18
bswartzThe core issue is that the existing interface has undefined behavior15:18
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tbarronand there is still potential ambiguity unresolved15:18
tbarrononly end user can resolve15:18
tbarronand back ends may still treat ties differently15:19
bswartzThere are multiple ways to resolve that, and I'd prefer the one we talked about in Dublin15:19
tbarronbut I think we can live with those matters, just want them spelled out a15:19
bswartzBecause I think it's the most straightforward to implement and understand, even if the interface is more complex15:19
tbarronbetter in the spec.15:19
tbarronWork can proceed for this spec but let's fill out some areas in it for the record.15:19
tbarronI put my +1 on it.15:20
zhongjun_It spelled out in driver impact in spec15:20
gansotbarron: your improvement suggestions haven't been addressed. So you wouldn't +2 it without those improvements, right?15:20
tbarronzhongjun_: you'll see several areas that I think need a bit more explanation15:20
tbarronganso: I don't want to get hung up on process.  We're going to go ahead with this approach.15:21
zhongjun_tbarron: still now?15:21
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tbarronWe can work out some of the answers to my questions in code review.15:21
tbarronzhongjun_: yes, I just updated in the last hour or two.15:21
tbarronzhongjun_: but the issues are relatively minor.15:21
tbarronzhongjun_: I don't think they are just nitpicks however.15:22
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tbarronzhongjun_: for instance, are we going to do the UI the way bswartz suggested, where15:22
tbarrona list of rules is presented and the user doesn't see priority numbers15:22
tbarronjust an example of something worth writing down as we figure it out15:23
tbarronSo people who are +2 please put your votes back on the spec.15:24
tbarronzhongjun_: Know that I am not blocking this.15:24
zhongjun_Could we add the detail in the code ?15:24
tbarronzhongjun_: yes, but why not also have the answers to these questions in the spec?15:25
gansoI'd like to see in the spec the UI approach chosen, if it is not there already. I haven't checked the latest update15:25
tbarronWe can merge it and revise it if that's the consensus but there are at least some typos that should be fixed :)15:25
tbarronSo core reviewers and other reviewers please do one more pass.15:26
tbarronzhongjun_: but I am not going to block eventual merge so if you have other reviewer's support as well15:27
tbarronand I think no one is expressing show-stop objections15:27
tbarronthen your work can move ahead.15:27
tbarronAny more on this for this week?15:27
bswartzIsn't there a deadline on this?15:27
bswartzLike today?15:27
zhongjun_tbarron: Cloud we fix this patch today?15:28
tbarronbswartz: why be artificial on process about this?15:29
tbarronzhongjun_: be my guest to respond again today, it's just late for you.15:29
bswartztbarron: for deadlines to have any meaning they must be enforced15:29
tbarronbswartz: well why don't you pick this one up and respond to the open questions then15:30
tbarronThere are no votes but mine on the latest iteration.15:30
tbarronBut I don't want to scuttle this spec because of that.15:30
zhongjun_tbarron: thanks for not going to block eventual merge15:30
bswartzI will add comments if it helps others15:31
tbarronWe just went a week with only zhongjun_ and me updating I think.15:31
bswartzI had a long talk with zhongjun_ last night before I fell asleep15:32
bswartzI feel like we're on the same page15:32
tbarronbswartz: ty, and she updated after that, and I reviewed after that.15:32
tbarronSo we need a little more time on a very important spec.  Access control has15:33
tbarronbeen a painful area for manila and I donn'15:33
tbarrondon't want us to do less than we can here to get it right this time.15:33
tbarronSo let's extend this one one more week but turn around reviews on it every day.15:34
tbarronI will ping people to review.15:34
tbarronAnything else on this one?15:34
tbarron#topic Forum timing15:35
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tbarronI just interjected this b/c we just got a request to swap our Forum time from Monday at15:35
tbarron11:35 to Thursday at15:36
tbarron1:5015:36
tpsilvatbarron: works for me and erlon15:36
tbarrontpsilva: ^^^ any issues with that?15:36
tbarronAnyone else?15:36
tbarrondustins: vkmc ^^^ ?15:37
dustinsNo complaints here15:37
tbarronOK, I will do some checking myself but will agree to the swap if we don't have conflicts.15:37
tbarron#topic Bugs15:38
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tbarrondustin, you are up15:38
tbarron#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad15:38
dustinsthanks, tbarron15:38
dustins#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/175579515:38
openstackLaunchpad bug 1755795 in Manila "manila_tempest_tests.tests.scenario.test_share_basic_ops create share failed because share type not found" [Undecided,New]15:38
dustinsLooking at the comments, it looks like this might have been resolved?15:39
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tbarrondustins: I'm not sure it was.15:40
tbarronI think shuali is just saying that the report of default-share-type w/o DHSS attribute was mistaken15:41
dustinsInteresting15:41
dustinsWe may have to try this scenario test to see if we see the same results15:42
dustinsAny volunteers?15:42
tbarrondustins: is comment #3 the steps to reproduce?15:43
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dustinstbarron: Looks that way, yeah15:43
tbarronbswartz: ty!15:43
bswartzI've never liked usage of the default share type in tests15:43
bswartzWe need some tests to verify that the default share type functionality actually works, but every other test should create the share types it requires15:44
tbarronagree15:44
bswartzGroup setup/teardown is the appropriate place for that kind of thing, IMO15:44
vkmc_bswartz++15:45
bswartzOr individual test setup/teardown for tests that have special requirements15:45
tbarrondustins: maybe just update indicating that there is ongoing work to do what bswartz just said that should fix this issue15:45
tbarronand leave the bug open15:45
bswartz+115:46
bswartzMaybe link back to the bug so whoever does fix this remembers to close the bug15:46
vkmc_same thing is happening in tempest tests in which we rely to some pre setup for the environment15:46
vkmc_for the share type creation15:47
gansovkmc_: I kinda lost track of that patch you were working on. Has it merged?15:47
vkmc_ganso: no15:48
tbarron#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/175579515:48
openstackLaunchpad bug 1755795 in Manila "manila_tempest_tests.tests.scenario.test_share_basic_ops create share failed because share type not found" [Undecided,New]15:48
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* dustins updated the bug15:48
vkmc_I had to give prio to other work15:48
gansovkmc_: ok I'll look for it again and see the updates15:48
vkmc_ganso: thanks!15:48
tbarronbswartz: oh, you mean in vkmc_ 's review, right?15:48
bswartztbarron: I'm not sure where I mean15:49
tbarron:)15:49
bswartzJust somewhere so that the bug isn't forgotten15:49
dustinsready for the next one?15:50
tbarrondustins: can you add a backlog or don't forget section to this etherpad and add it there?15:50
tbarronthen yeah, next :)15:50
dustinstbarron: done15:50
gansotbarron: I believe vkmc_ 's could add a closes-bug for that one, if it isn't15:50
tbarrondustins: ty15:50
dustins#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/175363015:51
openstackLaunchpad bug 1753630 in Manila "The net, router, and subnet created in the Manila tempest test process are not cleared" [Undecided,New]15:51
* bswartz cringes15:52
dustinsThis is our classic "tempest doesn't clean up after itself" bug15:52
bswartzWell there is the more basic question of what should we assume to exist prior to tempest vs what tempest should create itself15:52
bswartzCertain types of objects are awkward to create inside the test framework15:53
dustinsbswartz: Like what?15:53
bswartzIt's reasonable to require the user to create them and specify them in tempest.conf15:53
bswartzNetworks in particular15:53
bswartzIf the network has any physical component15:54
gansobswartz: for DHSS=true it shouldn't be awkward15:54
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tbarronbut this bug is about nets routers and subnets *created* in the tests15:54
gansobswartz: the generic driver creates those and clears them15:54
dustinsganso: Assuming tests don't fail15:54
bswartzYeah I didn't dig into this specific issue15:54
gansodustins: yes15:54
bswartzHopefully this one is as simple as just remembering to cleanup stuff the test creates15:54
bswartzBut I recall some test discussion (probably with ganso regarding ipv6) about situations where networks really should be created before tempest runs15:55
tbarronwe've had some cleanup of these lately and the bug is for newton15:55
gansodustins: but it still should clear stuff if it fails, whenever able to15:55
dustinsganso: Totally!15:55
tbarronwe're not going to backport fixes for this to newton15:55
tbarronbut tatyana is presumably working on a newer release?15:56
gouthamr"create_networks_when_multitenancy_enabled" doesn't mean manila is going to create them, no? this code's in tempest15:56
gouthamrand is part of the credential we acquire to run the test15:57
gansogouthamr: I need to double check this but I think it does create networks yes15:58
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gouthamrsure thanks ganso, i was planning on setting up the container driver to respond to another similar bug request15:59
tbarronok, we're about out of time, let's resolve this one in #openstack-manila15:59
tbarronAny last minute remarks?15:59
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gouthamrganso: but it might be a simple thing for you with NTAP dhss=true :P i'll ping you with a few qs16:00
tbarronOK, thanks everyone -- review the access list priority spec!!!16:00
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