Tuesday, 2018-04-03

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masahito_hi, time to blazar meeting09:00
hiro-kobayashihi!09:01
bertyshi09:01
masahito_#startmeeting blazar09:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  3 09:01:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is masahito_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:01
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masahito_hi, hiro-kobayashi, bertys09:01
masahito_today's agenda is09:01
masahito_1. New core member09:01
masahito_2. AOB09:01
masahito_less topics.09:01
masahito_anything else?09:02
masahito_#topic new core member09:03
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masahito_As I proposed in dev ML and other said +1 for it, bertys became a new Blazar core member.09:04
hiro-kobayashiGreat!09:04
bertysThank you very much.09:04
masahito_I added bertys to core team last week. I expect we'll see nice +2 in the future :-)09:05
hiro-kobayashiIt will improve our review process :-)09:05
bertysReally happy to join Blazar core team09:06
masahito_bertys: thanks lots of activities for Blazar team. I really appreciate your reviews.09:06
bertysmasahito_: I will do my best, thanks again for leading this team09:07
masahito_okay, let's move on next.09:09
masahito_#topic AOB09:09
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masahito_Does someone have something to share/discuss/etc?09:10
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hiro-kobayashiThank you for reviewing my patch. I'll update my patches.09:11
hiro-kobayashiI've started the mock-removal blueprint and almost complete it.09:11
hiro-kobayashiThat's all from my side09:12
masahito_hiro-kobayashi: Thanks for the nice patches.09:12
masahito_I don't have much updates because I doesn't have much time last week.09:13
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bertysSame here, plan to catch up this week.09:15
masahito_Okay, there is no more topic. We can finish today's meeting early.09:16
masahito_see you all. let's back to codes :-)09:17
bertysand reviews :-)09:17
masahito_right09:18
masahito_#endmeeting09:18
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Apr  3 09:18:14 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)09:18
hiro-kobayashithanks all! bye09:18
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bertysbye09:18
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lbragstad#startmeeting keystone]16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  3 16:00:18 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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hrybackio/16:00
lbragstad#endmeeting16:00
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Apr  3 16:00:26 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:00
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone_/2018/keystone_.2018-04-03-16.00.html16:00
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone_/2018/keystone_.2018-04-03-16.00.txt16:00
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone_/2018/keystone_.2018-04-03-16.00.log.html16:00
lbragstad#startmeeting keystone16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  3 16:00:33 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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cmurphyo/16:00
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lbragstadping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, kmalloc, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar, jdennis, ruan_he, wxy16:01
lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting16:01
lbragstadagenda ^16:01
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lbragstadwe'll give it another minute16:03
kmalloci was getting coffee.16:03
kmalloci;m here now16:03
lbragstadcool16:03
lbragstad#topic specifications16:04
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lbragstadreminder that specification proposal freeze is on the 20th16:04
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lbragstadwe should have everything we talked about during dublin proposed though16:05
lbragstadwe do need some more eyes on several of them16:05
lbragstad#topic specifications: hierarchical limits16:05
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lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/540803/16:05
lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549766/16:05
lbragstadthe one wxy is authoring includes a lot of things we should do regardless of the model16:06
lbragstads/model/enforcement model/16:06
lbragstadi'm curious if people have an opinion about how we should track that work16:07
lbragstadif it needs to be a separate specification?16:07
lbragstador if it should be grouped with a specification the details *an* enforcement model (kind of like what johnthetubaguy has proposed)16:07
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wxy|o/16:09
lbragstadcurious to get peoples thoughts in review16:09
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cmurphyi thought the agreement was basically to just do one model for now16:10
kmalloccmurphy: ++16:10
lbragstad++16:10
kmallocthat was my understanding16:10
lbragstadyeah - i think that's still the direction16:10
wxy|++ yeah16:10
kmallocwith the ability to add future models once we have the framework16:10
lbragstadbut there are other details in those specifications like GET /limit-model16:10
wxy|base one john's16:10
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lbragstadso - keep all of the enforcement model discussion in john's specification and all the "additional" details in wxy|'s ?16:12
kmallocthat would be my preference, as enforcement has nothing to do with what we land in keystone *except* the expected data formats16:12
lbragstadsure16:13
cmurphycan we turn the question around - what is the next stage of work that needs to be accomplished in Rocky?16:13
kmallocbut... if the difficulty too high to keep them separate for cmurphy's question and others, merge it.16:13
wxy|I have a POC about john's two-level-model https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557696/ The way is different with the spec's. Need your eyes on.16:13
kmallocmy preference is simply so we can avoid a hard-to-manage kystonespec16:13
lbragstadi would say that the next logic piece of work is to firm up what we have an make it stable, which is what wxy|'s spec talks about16:14
kmallocbut not if it gets in the way of the work16:14
cmurphylbragstad: okay then let's go with that16:14
lbragstadok - that helps16:14
lbragstadwxy|: was that the intention of your specification, or were you planning on having it evolve into an enforcement model of some kind?16:15
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wxy|it's about hierarchical model in Keystone which john wrote in his spec, but i changed the way, not sure which is better.16:17
wxy|TBH, his spec is about some api changes which I don't like a bit.16:18
lbragstadok - so part of your specification focuses on an enforcement model16:18
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lbragstadwell - maybe what we can do is take the bits that you see differently from john's proposal and put those into a different specification from the things that we need to do to make the API stable16:19
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lbragstadi can help write a specification for stablizing the unified limits API so that wxy| can focus on the limit enforcement details16:22
cmurphylbragstad: tbh I partly see implementing the first model as part of stabilization16:23
lbragstadoh?16:23
lbragstaddoes flat count as the first model?16:23
lbragstador first model == first *hierarchical* model?16:24
cmurphyeh I guess flat can count16:24
lbragstadwe don't have to split them, i was just trying to think of was to make the purpose of each one more clear16:25
lbragstadand that can be done without splitting, depending on how it's broken up in the specification16:25
cmurphysorry, no objections from me, we can keep them split if that makes more sense16:25
lbragstadi'll go back and review it again... maybe that will help16:26
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lbragstadany other questions on unified limits?16:26
lbragstad#topic specification: application credentials16:27
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lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396331/16:27
lbragstadthe latest revision includes all the changes we talked about last week16:28
lbragstadi just have a few follow-up comments16:28
lbragstadotherwise, i think it's looking pretty good16:28
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wxy|I think john's is a right direction. I'm not oppose to that model, but only have different opinion about code implementation. That's all.16:28
lbragstadwxy|: ++16:29
lbragstadi pinged jgrassler yesterday to see if he'd had a chance to see my comments, but i haven't heard anything yet16:30
wxy|maybe mine could move to backlog, since it talks a lot about the whole workflow.16:30
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cmurphylbragstad: we had a four-day weekend in europe16:30
lbragstadoh16:31
lbragstadsure16:31
cmurphysome people are still gone16:31
lbragstadwe still have plenty of time, i think that spec is getting really close thoguh16:32
lbragstad#topic specification: JWT16:32
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lbragstadso - this one is fun...16:32
lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541903/16:32
lbragstadseveral people spent time last week discussing the direction of this16:33
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lbragstadi've attempted to capture as much as possible in the reproposed version16:33
lbragstadbecause it brings up some important notes about JWE vs JWS16:33
lbragstadif you read cmurphy's weekly recap last Friday, it was in there too (thanks!)16:34
lbragstaddoes anyone have questions or concerns, given the new details included in the specification?16:34
* cmurphy still needs to reread it16:35
gagehugoyeah I need to take another look at it16:37
lbragstadcool - i'm curious what people think about it16:37
lbragstad#topic specification: default roles16:38
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lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523973/16:38
lbragstadthis one's gotten a couple reviews16:38
lbragstadsmcginnis had a suggestion on the naming16:38
lbragstadthanks to hrybacki for keeping it updated16:38
hrybackiwhich zane had a pretty strong counter-opinion for16:38
hrybackiaye16:38
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hrybackibasically, sean proposed s/writer/operator/16:39
hrybackiso auditor/operator/admin vs reader/writer/admin16:39
lbragstadi tend to lean on zaneb's argument16:40
hrybackiif operator ~== cloud admin -- then I agree16:40
hrybackithat would just make things more confusing16:40
lbragstadbut i'm not sure i have a different alternative to "writer"16:40
hrybackiBUT I will say read/write/admin is confusing as well -- in that the diff. between write and admin isn't clear plus admin breaks the '*nix' file permissions metaphor16:41
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cmurphyah yeah i definitely agree with zaneb, calling member -> operator would be super confusing16:41
hrybackiI've got it! 'auditor/writer/adminer' done16:41
hrybackipack it up folks, all done for the day /s16:41
* lbragstad is about to ask a _really_ dumb question16:42
lbragstaddo we need writer then?16:42
hrybackiyes16:42
lbragstadwhat if we just targetted admin and reader?16:42
lbragstadand handled scope properly?16:42
hrybackiI like that ^^ but the folks at PTG were very specific in the ask for all three16:42
lbragstadyes..16:42
cmurphythat doesn't make sense16:42
lbragstadyeah... after i say it outload, it doesn't make sense16:43
lbragstaddisregard16:43
lbragstad:)16:43
hrybackiif we were to de-scope I would say make a default 'reader' role and try to have it land in as many projects as possible16:43
hrybackibut I don't think that's the right action given our timeline and comments from PTG16:43
lbragstadthat's fair16:44
hrybackiso, to avoid further bikeshedding -- can we (as keystone team) agree upon three names for these categories?16:44
cmurphyi don't think member is that bad16:44
hrybackiat the lowest level we seem to have landed on either reader or auditor16:44
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lbragstadcmurphy: why is that?16:45
hrybackicmurphy: the issue with member IIUC is that it's already overloaded a bit and it's used inconsistently e.g. Member vs _member_16:45
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cmurphylbragstad: idk, "membership" to me means belonging to a project but it doesn't imply administrator16:46
lbragstadok - so16:46
cmurphyhrybacki: i don't think it matters that we have member and Member and _member_ we can just choose one and keep going with it16:46
hrybackifair enoguh16:46
hrybackienough*16:46
lbragstadoption 1: admin/operator/reader option 2: admin/writer/reader option 3: admin/member/reader16:47
hrybackilbragstad: what about 'auditor' vs 'reader' ?16:47
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hrybackipersonally I like the former. I think auditor/member/admin paints a relatively clear picture when paired together16:47
hrybackiall read as nouns with a purpose imo16:48
lbragstad#1 operator #2 writer #3 member16:48
lbragstad#4 reader #5 auditor16:48
hrybackiI vote 3/5 or 2/416:49
lbragstadif we're not going with the *nix permission model, then i'm inclined to say #3 and #516:49
hrybackioperator seems an obvious no given its history16:49
hrybackicontextual* history16:50
hrybackitwo votes for auditor/member/admin16:50
lbragstadif we did either reader or writer, i'd be inclined to include the other16:51
hrybackisame16:51
hrybackiif no one opposes, I'll re-write the spec accordingly16:51
hrybackicmurphy: what was your issue with tying the spec to domain level operations?16:52
hrybackiapologies -- can't find it in the review atm16:52
lbragstadi was never really a fan on "member", but if we're not doing the *nix permission thing, then it makes more sense to stick with member16:53
cmurphyhrybacki: we don't have real domain scope right now16:53
cmurphyas far as i know?16:53
hrybackiyeah, I'm not even sure now that you mention it. lbragstad ?16:54
lbragstadcmurphy: you're correct16:54
cmurphyi think we have project scope and system scope and you can maybe say we have domain-is-project scope but not domain scope as a first class scope16:54
lbragstaddomain scope would essentially `if 'project' in scope_types and project.is_domain`16:54
hrybackiokay, I think 'domain' scope helps to solidify the concepts we are proposing16:55
hrybackibut we can add a caveat in the spec noting as much ^^16:55
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hrybackiwould that be enough cmurphy or would that be a bit too misleading?16:55
cmurphyif this is what we're asking projects to implement then implying that we have real domain scope seems a little misleading to me16:56
hrybackiokay, lemme chew on this for a bit16:56
hrybackiare there any serious issues that folks see that would prevent this from landing by M1?16:57
hrybackie.g. should I prioritize getting feedback for certain parts of the spec?16:57
cmurphyback on naming - aws has reader and writer https://aws.amazon.com/iam/details/manage-permissions/16:57
lbragstad2 minutes remaining16:58
lbragstadhrybacki: i don't see any issues outside of the naming bits and relaying domain scope16:59
lbragstadin a way that makes sense16:59
hrybackiack. I'll think on it today and get back to you with some questions later16:59
hrybackithanks all for the input :)16:59
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lbragstadsounds good - thanks hrybacki16:59
lbragstadwe can wrap up and i'll start office hours in a minute16:59
lbragstad#endmeeting17:00
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hogepodge#startmeeting refstack17:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  3 17:01:23 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hogepodge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'refstack'17:01
hogepodge#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-18-04-03 agenda17:01
toskyo/ (even if I need to leave a bit earlier)17:01
hogepodgeWe can start with the tempestconf work17:02
hogepodge#chair tosky17:03
openstackCurrent chairs: hogepodge tosky17:03
hogepodge#topic python-tempestconf17:03
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toskyso, Chandan is working on the refstack integration, I don't have much updates on this specific review17:04
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tosky#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541273/ Genereate tempest.conf in refstack client (WIP)17:04
toskybut I see comments there, so I guess it's taken care of17:05
toskyabout the tempestconf specific work, few refactoring patches went in17:06
toskynow we need Chandan and Martin to rebase two of their patches:17:06
mguineyo/ (connection spotty, but i should clear up shortly)17:06
hogepodgecool17:07
toskyuhm, the previous was info, not link17:07
tosky#undo17:07
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541273/17:07
tosky#info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541273/ Genereate tempest.conf in refstack client (WIP)17:07
toskyok, about the refactoring reviews, I'm talking about17:07
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tosky#info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/540177/ Refactor to improve modularity, scalability, OOP17:08
tosky#info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546115/ Make main function more modular17:08
toskyanother relevant change (required in order to proper test the non-admin execution of tempestconf) is17:08
tosky#info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/554480/ Use --non-admin for non admin users in zuul jobs17:09
toskywe had a bit of exchange of messages in the review, I'm still not sure about how it could have worked so far, but let's see17:09
toskyand finally we have two reviews which are stale now, we probably need to reping the authors17:10
toskynamely17:10
tosky#info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519714/ WIP: Add EC2-API support17:10
tosky#info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/528380/ Make tempest setup image verification aware17:11
toskythey will need a refactor anyway when https://review.openstack.org/#/c/540177/ lands17:11
toskyChandan created 3 stories following the discussions during the PTG, they are linked in the etherpad but just for reference:17:11
tosky#info Generate accounts.yaml when --os-cloud is used with python-tempestconf - https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200169317:12
tosky#info Fix tempestconf job having demo user - https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200169517:13
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tosky#info Refactor tempestconf in order to integrate with refstack_client tool - https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200169617:13
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toskyand at least 554480 is directly linked to one of them17:13
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toskyfeel free to comment on them17:13
toskyI think that's it from my side17:14
hogepodgeok, great work17:14
toskyso... next :)17:14
hogepodgeLooks like things are moving along.17:14
hogepodge#topic RefStack17:15
toskyyep17:15
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hogepodgeSo, high level there are a few threads moving forward in RefStack17:15
hogepodgeWe need to update the server to handle the new add on programs.17:15
hogepodgeOur Javascript libraries need to be updated17:16
hogepodgeWe need to build out functionality for uploading subunit data.17:16
hogepodge#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/547246/ New Capability Sources17:16
mguineyalright!17:17
hogepodgeFor the new capability sources, there's a bit work that needs to be done on the javascript side. A lot of assumptions about the OpenStack Powered program were hard coded into that framework, and sadly given our time constraints we may need to keep some of that hard coding in place.17:17
mguineyi have a new solution that i'm currently working on, and the api functionality is solid and ready, but i'm still debuggin ui stuff and refactoring the unit tests17:18
hogepodgeGood, a maintainable solution would be nice. :-)17:19
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hogepodgeI'm not fully sure of the scope for updating javascript. Hopefully it will be easy, but these sorts of easy things have a tendency to become tricky. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯17:19
mguineybasically, the idea behind the new implementation is that rather than a flat array of guidelines, we should have the api retun a json dict of types and their correspondign array of applicable guidelines17:20
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mguineythat way, it will be impossible to select a guideline for one of the addons that exists for powered but not for one of the add-ons17:20
hogepodgethat's probably a good design. We have multiple things that combine, program and date, and sometimes they overlap, so rendering that properly just takes some logic17:20
mguineythe other nice thing about that is that we should hopefully be able to use that to add new guideline types to the interface dynamically, because we (hopefully) won't have to hard code the new things anymore17:21
hogepodgeThe main blockers on the subunit upload is in finalizing some patches we need for an updated subunit2sql, and figuring out how to handle multiple CONF sources in oslo, especially in testing.17:22
mguineygiven, i'm still trying to get base case up and running, but this is the first time i've ever really done JavaScript debugging at any level, so most of my struggle is figuring out how to debug properly17:22
mguineyyes! re: oslo, i actually did get a pointer on that in #openstack-oslo, so it looks like i have a good place to start in getting that sorted17:23
hogepodgeOh good! I just checked in with them too and asked about our failing patch.17:24
mguineyi may have more questions to ask of them as i go, but hopefully i can get that sorted shortly17:24
hogepodgeCool.17:24
hogepodgeThat's pretty much it, unless you have more to add mguiney17:24
mguineynot yet, no! working on getting those debugged, as well as finishing off unit tests for one of the subunit2sql patches upon which the api is reliant (the one that allows for the usage of kwargs)17:25
mguineythe delete uuid patch could use new reviews, so i'll copypaste the link in here17:26
mguiney#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/537775/17:26
hogepodgeok, cool17:26
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mguineyit has some small updates suggested by mtreinish (thank you mtreinish for the super helpful feedback)17:27
mguineybut hopefully should look good now17:27
hogepodgeAnything else?17:28
hogepodgeOk, have a great week everybody!17:29
hogepodge#endmeeting17:29
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mguineynope! the main thing i wanted to check in on in this weeks meeting was whether anyone had any objections to the change in guideline storage methodology17:29
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mguineyhave a good week, all17:29
hogepodgeI think making it better and more flexible is good17:31
mguineyit honestly looked like the least messy option of how to fix our current ui issues, at the end of the day, which is nice, because less complication + more flexibility ends up being a win-win17:32
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