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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 12 14:00:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| leakypipes | o=# | 14:00 |
| efried | @/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| jroll | \o | 14:00 |
| efried | leakypipes: Is that the Enterprise? | 14:00 |
| ttsiouts | o/ | 14:00 |
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| leakypipes | efried: no, it's tendonitis in my elbow. | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| efried | ouch | 14:00 |
| jroll | I just thought you were holding a waffle | 14:00 |
| efried | hahaha | 14:00 |
| leakypipes | jroll: wafflehands Jay. | 14:01 |
| edleafe | leakypipes: too many beer curls? | 14:01 |
| leakypipes | edleafe: indeed. | 14:01 |
| jroll | heh | 14:01 |
| edleafe | um, it's Monday, leakypipes | 14:01 |
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| cdent | o/ | 14:01 |
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| leakypipes | oh.. | 14:01 |
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| efried | Friday never ended for leakypipes | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | ...hence the sore elbow | 14:01 |
| * bauzas yawns | 14:01 | |
| jaypipes | heh, no, Friday definitely ended on Friday. | 14:02 |
| bauzas | days are subjective | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs and Reviews | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs and Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| bauzas | you can call out everyday is Friday, unless someone proves you the contrary | 14:02 |
| edleafe | Work for Rocky is starting to appear | 14:02 |
| edleafe | Anyone have a particular spec/review to discuss? | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | nope. I need to finish writing one and start reviewing a bunch of em. | 14:03 |
| bauzas | PTG is in 2 weeks, do we really need to discuss now about specs ? | 14:03 |
| edleafe | bauzas: well, that's why I asked instead of going over everything | 14:03 |
| bauzas | unless someone wants some opinion when writing a spec ? | 14:03 |
| arvindn05 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541507/ | 14:03 |
| cdent | bauzas: presumably we want to have our brains warmed up? | 14:03 |
| edleafe | this way, unless there is something pressing, we can move ahead | 14:03 |
| bauzas | cdent: it's snowing here, I don't need to warm up | 14:04 |
| cdent | as you wish | 14:04 |
| arvindn05 | unfortunately i think some folks wont be able to make PTG...so preliminary reviews are appreciated :) | 14:04 |
| edleafe | arvindn05: is that spec just for glance? | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #link Support traits in Glance https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541507/ | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | arvindn05: interesting idea, thanks for the link. will review. | 14:05 |
| mriedem | do traits support a TEXT blob? | 14:05 |
| arvindn05 | nope...its for nova to honor trait hits available in glance image meta data | 14:05 |
| mriedem | b/c glance image metadata is a TEXT blob and not size limited in the glance API | 14:05 |
| jroll | traits in placement are limited to 255 characters iirc | 14:05 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api_models.py#L579 | 14:05 |
| mriedem | yup | 14:05 |
| mriedem | so that is issue #1 | 14:05 |
| efried | minus CUSTOM_ | 14:05 |
| arvindn05 | Thanks | 14:06 |
| efried | ...though I guess the image meta could have standard traits too, duh. | 14:06 |
| edleafe | so glance "traits" != placement "traits"? | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | having not read the spec, | 14:06 |
| edleafe | guess I should read the spec first | 14:06 |
| edleafe | jinx | 14:06 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure how the glance image meta key/value turns into a single string tag | 14:06 |
| jroll | tl;dr glance would have properties like trait:HW_CPU_X86_AVX2=required | 14:07 |
| arvindn05 | >so glance "traits" != placement "traits"? | 14:07 |
| arvindn05 | yes...unfortunate naming from my side i guess | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: looks like it's pretty much identical to how we're doing the flavor metadata key/value conversion for traits. | 14:07 |
| arvindn05 | yes @jaypipes | 14:07 |
| arvindn05 | the glance image meta data also has the 255 character limit so fits in well there | 14:08 |
| mriedem | arvindn05: not in glance v2 | 14:08 |
| mriedem | which is the only thing that nova supports | 14:08 |
| mriedem | arvindn05: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/526900/ | 14:08 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/db/sqlalchemy/models.py#L159 | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | arvindn05: well, note that the length for these things' value is always going to be 8 (the length of the string "required"). it's the *key* that changes.. | 14:09 |
| bauzas | I think we agreed on having traits being something understandable by operators | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: ^^ | 14:09 |
| bauzas | having traits being more than 255 letters looks to me not fine for operators | 14:09 |
| arvindn05 | ahh...ok. Will check the limits in glance | 14:10 |
| arvindn05 | https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/image/v2/index.html#create-an-image | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | mriedem, bauzas: keys are still limited in glance to 255. https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/db/sqlalchemy/models.py#L158 | 14:11 |
| arvindn05 | >List of tags for this image. Each tag is a string of at most 255 chars. | 14:11 |
| arvindn05 | i dont see the above referencing key length...will look at the code | 14:11 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: then cool | 14:11 |
| mriedem | i didn't realize it was the image meta key | 14:11 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541507/4/specs/rocky/approved/glance-image-traits.rst@35 | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | ^ not sure why image meta with host aggregates doesn't solve that problem already | 14:11 |
| efried | Depending how close we're getting to how it's expressed in flavors, there'll be that trait<N>: prefix too. | 14:11 |
| * efried also hasn't read the spec yet | 14:12 | |
| bauzas | mriedem: well, it's also possible, for sure | 14:12 |
| edleafe | We should probably read the spec and continue the discussion there | 14:12 |
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| efried | The resource class affinity spec should be a pretty quick read. I'm starting to warm up to the idea presented in the first section of Alternatives. It's a lot more powerful, even though it's less user-friendly. Anyway, I'd love some feedback on that (and the idea in general). Wouldn't mind having one direction picked out before the PTG. https://review.openstack.org/543062 | 14:13 |
| arvindn05 | yup...that would be great | 14:13 |
| bauzas | what I just want to make sure is that if Glance provides a traits API, those are exactly like the same than in Nova | 14:13 |
| jroll | mriedem: agree with that, but I think there's plenty of use cases for this. easy example: my hypervisor image requires VT bit :) | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | or we could have problems like Cinder vs. Nova AZs :p | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | #link Resource Class Affinity Spec https://review.openstack.org/543062 | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | Anything else for specs/reviews? | 14:14 |
| arvindn05 | bauzas: we are overloading the metadata field in glance for expressing traits. The data model matches almost exactly https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/db/sqlalchemy/models.py#L158 | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: ack. though this isn't a proposed "API" per-se, but rather just a convention of naming metadata keys in the same fashion as Nova's flavor metadata embeds the whole trait:XXX encoding in the flavor metadata key | 14:15 |
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| jaypipes | really, it's just "standardizing" image metadata keys to be (more like) os-traits standard traits. which I think is a very good idea. | 14:16 |
| efried | ...and having the scheduler pay attention to that and feed those traits into the allocation candidates request | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | yup, efried | 14:16 |
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| efried | ...and attach those traits to which parts of the flavor request? | 14:16 |
| efried | Perhaps this is answered in the spec, which I still haven't read since four minutes ago. | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | :) | 14:17 |
| efried | But yeah, this sounds like it has promise. | 14:17 |
| cdent | efried: the integration with flavors is a question on left on the spec, which you'll see when you read it ;) | 14:17 |
| edleafe | So what did I miss - still discussing the glance traits spec? | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: ya, but I think we should move on. | 14:17 |
| efried | We just can't seem to let it go. We're all so intrigued. | 14:17 |
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| arvindn05 | yea...we have to deal with conflicts between image and flavor traits...its briefly address in the spec so will add more details based on comments | 14:18 |
| efried | #action everybody read the spec and we'll discuss it next week? | 14:18 |
| edleafe | efried: or comment on the spec?? | 14:18 |
| efried | that too :) | 14:18 |
| arvindn05 | thanks for the discussions...we can move on i think...i look forward to the comments :) | 14:18 |
| efried | ...discuss if needed | 14:18 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:18 | |
| edleafe | #link Placement bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:18 |
| edleafe | No new bugs this week | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | i've got a bug | 14:19 |
| mriedem | that's not a placement bug | 14:19 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1746483+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 14:19 |
| mriedem | looking for any historical background on IsolatedHostsFilter if anyone knows, | 14:19 |
| mriedem | wrt boot from volume, | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | ah, BFV again | 14:20 |
| mriedem | that filter never worked properly with boot from volume requests, unless it did by just saying, 'i don't care about those types of requests' | 14:20 |
| mriedem | the problem is the requestspec.image.id isn't set for a bfv request, | 14:20 |
| mriedem | so the filter doesn't get the image id to tell if it's isolated or not | 14:20 |
| cdent | mriedem: I say fix it most real, and if people discover they were getting accidental results, now their life is better | 14:20 |
| mriedem | if the purpose of the filter is to only keep ephemeral images pinned to isolated hosts, then i guess it's fine | 14:20 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I saw your email, sorry missed to reply | 14:20 |
| efried | Wait, we allow scheduler topics in this meeting that *don't* involve placement?? | 14:21 |
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| mriedem | efried: i know it's crazy right | 14:21 |
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| * cdent cookies efried | 14:21 | |
| mriedem | and we still get non-placement scheduler bugs | 14:21 |
| bauzas | efried: there is a world beyond placement | 14:21 |
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| cdent | lies | 14:21 |
| mriedem | given this has been broken since mitaka, it's obvious not many people use this filter | 14:21 |
| edleafe | Well, I *suppose* we can allow those questions | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: you mean not many people use this filter AND use BFV. | 14:22 |
| bauzas | mriedem: AFAIK, operators prefer to use filters with host aggregates and image mapping | 14:22 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: i assume more people use bfv than this filter | 14:22 |
| mriedem | bauzas: yes this filter is redundant with image meta + aggregates | 14:22 |
| bauzas | voilà , problem solved | 14:22 |
| mriedem | so my plan is to fix the obvious regression, backport that, | 14:22 |
| bauzas | call it deprecated :p | 14:23 |
| mriedem | and then just leave this not supporting bfv as always | 14:23 |
| bauzas | I agree | 14:23 |
| bauzas | I mean | 14:23 |
| mriedem | it did make me wonder if we should put the image id in the request spec anyway, for later lookups if needed, since we have the information in the api when we create the instance, | 14:23 |
| mriedem | but i don't have a good use case for that right now | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | it's just another one of those things where the request spec can't really be trusted later | 14:24 |
| bauzas | if you want MHO, | 14:24 |
| mriedem | we've talked in the cells meeting about relying on the request spec if a cell is down | 14:24 |
| bauzas | that's just the fact we agreed on having BFV instances not having an image that's the problem | 14:24 |
| bauzas | it breaks the model | 14:25 |
| mriedem | you mean 'we agreed' being some guys 7 years ago? | 14:25 |
| bauzas | I'm in the community | 14:25 |
| gibi | but there are cases when a BFV instance does not have an image et all. I can create volume in cinder and pass it to nova to boot from it | 14:25 |
| bauzas | so, we == me, even if I wasn't yet providing bugs to Nova yet | 14:25 |
| bauzas | gibi: I konw | 14:26 |
| mriedem | gibi: we pull the image from the volume metadata | 14:26 |
| mriedem | we rely on that for things like rebuild, | 14:26 |
| bauzas | gibi: I'm just saying we shot ourselves in the feet when we accepted that | 14:26 |
| mriedem | where we now check to see if the image is changing | 14:26 |
| mriedem | anyway, we can move on | 14:26 |
| mriedem | i can talk with dansmith about the cellsv2 thing | 14:26 |
| bauzas | mriedem: agreed, will review your series ASAP | 14:26 |
| bauzas | mriedem: ping me if I haven't done that today | 14:26 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:27 |
| bauzas | for the RequestSpec thing, I'd love to discuss that too with dan | 14:27 |
| bauzas | because I agree, we need to think hard about all the corner cases | 14:27 |
| bauzas | the deletion thing is like a big problem | 14:27 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: i thought you might like this trick https://review.openstack.org/#/c/543257/2/nova/tests/functional/regressions/test_bug_1746483.py@93 | 14:27 |
| mriedem | for the functional test | 14:27 |
| bauzas | but maybe we also have moar problems | 14:28 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem: yeah, saw that... | 14:30 |
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| mriedem | what's next/ | 14:31 |
| mriedem | ? | 14:31 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I'm not getting the story for that contextmanager, but let's punt that offline | 14:31 |
| mriedem | it's a private me + jay story | 14:31 |
| bauzas | heh | 14:32 |
| mriedem | discussed publicly in -nova once | 14:32 |
| edleafe | Well, I didn't want to interrupt your fun | 14:32 |
| edleafe | Let's move on | 14:32 |
| edleafe | #topic Open discussion | 14:32 |
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| edleafe | Nothing on the agenda | 14:32 |
| jroll | random question before I bother proposing a blueprint, would you placement folks be open to something like this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/542992/ | 14:32 |
| edleafe | We have had several discussions regarding affinity/distance in placement lately | 14:33 |
| jroll | (tl;dr a quick config to enable oslo's healthcheck middleware) | 14:33 |
| jaypipes | jroll: for the API services, sure. | 14:33 |
| edleafe | jroll: looks sane | 14:33 |
| jroll | sweet, thank you | 14:34 |
| * jroll puts on rocky todo list | 14:34 | |
| cdent | jroll: is that the _new_ healthcheck middleware? | 14:34 |
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| jroll | cdent: it's the only one I know of? | 14:34 |
| mriedem | is there a way to discover if that's available? | 14:34 |
| mriedem | besides just trying to hit it and fail? | 14:34 |
| bauzas | jroll: wouldn't that be an API SIG discussion ? | 14:34 |
| * alex_xu waves very late | 14:34 | |
| cdent | jroll: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531456/ | 14:34 |
| jroll | bauzas: I ask about placement specifically, because it doesn't use paste | 14:34 |
| bauzas | jroll: and I wonder why you can't just call the root | 14:34 |
| bauzas | and see if 20x or else | 14:35 |
| jroll | bauzas: our current healthcheck calls / and looks for a 401 :P | 14:35 |
| arvindn05 | would be good to know what type of calls the other services make to confirm they are healthy | 14:35 |
| cdent | jroll: (note that I don't like that spec, I think it is internet over-engineering task force) | 14:35 |
| bauzas | I mean, I used haproxy in the past a lot | 14:35 |
| cdent | jroll: that's been fixed, / is no auth now | 14:35 |
| jroll | ah neat | 14:35 |
| bauzas | and IIRC, you can healthcheck whatever you want without requiring a specific WGSI middleware | 14:35 |
| mriedem | yeah this doesn't seem very useful | 14:36 |
| bauzas | because if your WSGI app is stuck, the middleware will still be happy | 14:36 |
| cdent | bauzas: the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531456/ has a very different opinion ,you might find it interesting | 14:36 |
| mriedem | if i can hit / and get version doc it's functioning right? | 14:36 |
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| bauzas | what I'd like honestly is some kind of guidance from the SIG :) | 14:36 |
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| bauzas | because application monitoring is a laaaaaarge domain | 14:37 |
| jroll | sure, part of why I like it is that it would be standard across all API services (for me) | 14:37 |
| bauzas | personnally, I'd trust more a 3rd party monitoring system that would just notify my balancer to put oor a faulty node | 14:37 |
| mriedem | i see that in the spec, and looks like it uses custom tests per service for what healthy means | 14:37 |
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| mriedem | if this becomes a thing some projects do, i can smell the community wide goal for S | 14:38 |
| bauzas | it creates a dependency on the monitoring system, but do people seriously run in production without having a reliable monitoring system ? | 14:38 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: ++ | 14:38 |
| jroll | to be clear, what I have now in production is this middleware on every service that uses paste for config, and I wanted to add it to those that don't. I prefer to do such a thing upstream, so floating the idea | 14:38 |
| bauzas | not a placement thing | 14:38 |
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| jaypipes | jroll: big +1 from me. | 14:38 |
| bauzas | ie. placement should ack to the direction that the whole coommunity would agree | 14:39 |
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| jaypipes | jroll: again, on the API services. the non-API services like nova-compute and nova-conductor don't have the same place to hook middleware up. | 14:39 |
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| cdent | jroll: the easy way to do it upstream would be to, in deploy.py do some kind of config or env check to include the middleware in the stack | 14:39 |
| bauzas | hence the API SIG thing or the TC goal, I don't really care about the formalism | 14:39 |
| jroll | jaypipes: right | 14:39 |
| jroll | cdent: agree: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/542992/3/ironic/api/app.py | 14:40 |
| bauzas | yeah | 14:40 |
| cdent | jroll: deploy.py is performing the same pattern as paste | 14:40 |
| bauzas | I mean, that really depends on what you want to monitor, again | 14:40 |
| cdent | yup, totes | 14:40 |
| mriedem | has this been queued up for ptg discussion? first i've heard of this. | 14:40 |
| cdent | bauzas: the api sig is unlikely to make any assertions about healthcheck stuff until the debate on the oslo spec resolves | 14:40 |
| mriedem | so i assume i'm not the only one | 14:40 |
| bauzas | me too | 14:40 |
| jroll | no, this is an idea I had thursday | 14:41 |
| bauzas | cdent: that's a reasonable outcome and I think I agree with you | 14:41 |
| jroll | literally just asking "does anyone vehemently hate this" | 14:41 |
| mriedem | well https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531456/ suggests it was discussed in sydney | 14:41 |
| bauzas | cdent: probably more a cross-project thing | 14:41 |
| bauzas | do we have kind of operator-developer SIG about monitoring ? | 14:41 |
| bauzas | I know we have a logs WG | 14:42 |
| bauzas | -ish | 14:42 |
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| jroll | anyway, I hear y'all, will go ahead and engage the rest of openstack | 14:42 |
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| mriedem | ptg discussion during ptg in the api sig is probably a good starting point | 14:42 |
| mriedem | at the ptg, | 14:42 |
| mriedem | while ptging | 14:42 |
| mriedem | sorry | 14:42 |
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| mriedem | oh right the self healing sig | 14:43 |
| mriedem | forgot about that one | 14:43 |
| cdent | mriedem: feel free to add to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-ptg-rocky if you want | 14:43 |
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| mriedem | will do | 14:43 |
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| edleafe | OK, then, anything else on your collective minds? | 14:44 |
| * edleafe hears a collective yawn | 14:45 | |
| edleafe | Thanks everyone! | 14:45 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 12 14:45:35 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-02-12-14.00.html | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-02-12-14.00.txt | 14:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-02-12-14.00.log.html | 14:45 |
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| corvus | hi! any zuul folks around? | 22:00 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 22:00 |
| fungi | i could qualify as "around" | 22:00 |
| jlk | o/ | 22:01 |
| jhesketh | o/ | 22:01 |
| corvus | #startmeeting zuul | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 12 22:01:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is corvus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| * SotK lurks in the background | 22:01 | |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:01 |
| corvus | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:01 |
| corvus | #topic Release update | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release update (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:01 | |
| corvus | this is not going to be a long boring list of all the things we need to do before release... | 22:01 |
| corvus | because we have a *short* list of things to do before release! :) | 22:02 |
| jlk | haha | 22:02 |
| corvus | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/53 | 22:02 |
| * jlk hides before the github3 question | 22:02 | |
| fungi | short and *exciting*? | 22:02 |
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| corvus | the left column is current, afaik | 22:02 |
| fungi | i could almost count those on one hand | 22:02 |
| corvus | and, i'll be honest, if the last thing on that list is the abstract flag, i don't think we should wait for it. | 22:03 |
| jlk | We just need a 6 fingered man | 22:03 |
| jlk | but I hear he killed somebody's father. | 22:03 |
| pabelanger | corvus: +1 | 22:03 |
| pabelanger | we've worked well without it so far | 22:03 |
| corvus | i believe *everything* on that list is being worked | 22:03 |
| fungi | jlk: inconceivable! | 22:03 |
| corvus | zuul-stream and javascript are assigned to mordred. he has WIP patches for both of those. he's on vacation this week, but hopefully by next week (possibly earlier if he needs a vacation from his vacation), we'll have those | 22:04 |
| jlk | AFAIK there's one open issue blocking a potential github3 release, and that's https://github.com/sigmavirus24/github3.py/pull/773 -- that said, I don't think we've tested devel branch against zuul in a while, and there may be more to get done there. I was planning to do that before heading out to PTG, and if nothing else give me something to work on while not talking at PTG | 22:04 |
| corvus | jlk: i think we specify the 'develop' branch in requirements | 22:05 |
| jlk | oh, I thought we were pinned to a specific hash. | 22:05 |
| corvus | jlk: so we're continuously testing it in unit tests at least | 22:05 |
| jlk | oh hey look at that | 22:05 |
| corvus | though.. i guess unit tests probably don't really test very much | 22:05 |
| jlk | I was worried because some fairly significant things have landed recently | 22:06 |
| jlk | with how github3 objects are manipulated. | 22:06 |
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| corvus | i just ran through the zuul-from-scratch doc, and so i would have gotten the version as of friday with that | 22:06 |
| jlk | that's fantastic news. | 22:06 |
| corvus | i can confirm that at least works well enough to enqueue events and receive reports | 22:06 |
| corvus | i didn't do anything fancy with reviews | 22:07 |
| jlk | what version is running in prod against Ansible GitHub? | 22:07 |
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| corvus | hrm, pip3 freeze reports github3.py==1.0.0a4 but that doesn't seem right | 22:07 |
| jlk | I think the numbering is funky | 22:08 |
| jlk | but, that's only just a tickle in my brain, I could be very wrong. | 22:08 |
| corvus | i'll try to dig into that more later and get a more confident answer | 22:08 |
| corvus | jlk: do you have a feeling for whether github3.py release within the next 2 weeks is feasible? | 22:09 |
| jlk | I have a feeling, and it's maybe a 25% chance? | 22:10 |
| jlk | I've reached out once more to see if I can do anything to help that last PR, since I got done the things I was told about last time I asked. | 22:10 |
| fungi | i just checked out the tip of develop and a `python setup.py sdist` creates github3.py-1.0.0a4.tar.gz | 22:10 |
| fungi | so that is probably correct | 22:11 |
| jlk | given how much has changed though, the release process may be a while | 22:11 |
| corvus | fungi: cool, we probably need to figure out how to get the sha we installed... | 22:11 |
| fungi | if only they used pbr! ;) | 22:11 |
| jlk | we're not seeing much change since we've been on the develop branch since basically the beginning of our use, but in the wild it's a fair jump from the last release to this pending one. | 22:11 |
| corvus | jlk: okay, so assuming we wrap up the rest of the stuff in 2 weeks (i think that's plausible), we'll need to think about whether we should delay our release, or, i guess, vendor github3.py until it's released... | 22:12 |
| jlk | yeah, seems like a reasonable thing. | 22:12 |
| jlk | I promise I'll have a better answer before PTG | 22:12 |
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| corvus | jlk: cool, thanks muchly! | 22:12 |
| corvus | any other comments or questions around the 3.0 blocker list? | 22:13 |
| corvus | #topic PTG discussion topics | 22:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG discussion topics (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:14 | |
| corvus | my link in the agenda was wrong | 22:14 |
| corvus | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-rocky-ptg ptg discussion topics | 22:14 |
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| corvus | are there more zuul-specific discussion topics we'd like to have? | 22:14 |
| corvus | i'm pretty sure i can think of enough to fill 3 days :) | 22:15 |
| fungi | so far there are three from tobiash and one more from corvus/mordred in there | 22:15 |
| * jlk looks again | 22:16 | |
| fungi | plus the ci/cd focus area is fairly zuul-related | 22:16 |
| corvus | i think things where we can discuss and agree on a direction so that folks can go off and implement without a lot of back and forth will be nice | 22:16 |
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| corvus | i think i'll add one on future direction for the dashboard | 22:17 |
| fungi | oh, also jlk talking about github things on monday, looks like | 22:17 |
| pabelanger | I have to drop early today, I'll catch up on meeting logs this evening | 22:17 |
| dmsimard | I won't be at the PTG but FWIW I have nested Zuul jobs in my fairly-short-term-todo-list -- basically a 2 node job where one node is the zuul/nodepool and the other node is a nodepool static slave | 22:17 |
| jlk | yes, Monday. Because my family is dragging me away (to Belfast) on Tuesday I believe. | 22:18 |
| fungi | jlk: wow, that's actually in a different country altogether! | 22:18 |
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| jlk | yeah, but that's like saying another state on the east coast. It's 2 hours north :D | 22:19 |
| corvus | or 'counties' as we call them in ca | 22:19 |
| corvus | #info add zuul-related topics to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-rocky-ptg | 22:20 |
| corvus | anyway, if folks think of things, add them there soon please, that will help us schedule | 22:20 |
| corvus | of course, the schedule is flexible, but it's still nice to have some things set aside in advance so we aren't scrambling the *whole* time | 22:20 |
| corvus | also, feel free to put your name on any of those topics and any schedule restrictions you might have | 22:21 |
| corvus | jlk: so if there's something you really want to talk about on monday, let us know :) | 22:21 |
| jlk | Just the GitHub use case. | 22:21 |
| corvus | that's all i had on the agenda... | 22:22 |
| corvus | #topic Open discussion | 22:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:22 | |
| corvus | anything else? | 22:22 |
| dmsimard | Did anyone submit any Zuul things for Vancouver ? | 22:23 |
| dmsimard | I know pabelanger submitted a workshop | 22:23 |
| dmsimard | corvus: I would love a refresh of the Barcelona Zuul v3 talk :) | 22:23 |
| corvus | dmsimard: i'll see if i can oblige :) | 22:24 |
| dmsimard | It's a great resource when you want to explain someone what Zuul does, turns out it's not so simple to explain | 22:25 |
| corvus | i'll be giving a zuul talk at scale shortly after the ptg... i wonder if they're available online | 22:25 |
| jlk | lol yeah, I prepped many pages of notes to explain it to some folks at GitHub | 22:25 |
| jlk | I had to walk through 3 or 4 base "assumptions" about the desires of developers/reviewers. | 22:26 |
| dmsimard | jlk: "let me explain why Zuul is so awesome" | 22:26 |
| fungi | we'll want to do our best to avoid being particularly openstack-focused with vancouver proposals since the ci/cd track has been folded into the separate non-openstack "opendev" conference running alongside the summit | 22:26 |
| corvus | fungi: fortunately, 'be less openstack-focused' aligns with our strategic goals for zuul :) | 22:26 |
| dmsimard | +1 | 22:26 |
| fungi | yep! | 22:26 |
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| corvus | well, let's wrap it up then | 22:28 |
| corvus | thanks everyone! | 22:28 |
| corvus | #endmeeting | 22:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 22:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 12 22:28:58 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2018/zuul.2018-02-12-22.01.html | 22:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2018/zuul.2018-02-12-22.01.txt | 22:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2018/zuul.2018-02-12-22.01.log.html | 22:29 |
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