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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 29 14:00:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| efried | @/ | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| ttsiouts | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Looks like efried didn't comb his hair | 14:01 |
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| * efried is a conditioner commercial | 14:01 | |
| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
| cdent | i'm only vaguely here | 14:01 |
| bauzas | can we please try to make that meeting short ? :) | 14:02 |
| bauzas | I have a ton of things to catch up :) | 14:02 |
| edleafe | bauzas: sounds good | 14:02 |
| edleafe | let's start then | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Reviews | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| edleafe | #link Provider Tree series, starting with: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533808/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | Most of the bottom patches are +W'd | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #link First provider tree patch in progress is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/537648/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | Anything to add, efried? | 14:03 |
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| mriedem | o/ | 14:03 |
| efried | The weekend saw two of eight merge there. The remaining six are In The Gate. | 14:03 |
| efried | <ominous cadence> | 14:03 |
| mriedem | are a bunch failing on functional job timeouts? | 14:03 |
| edleafe | ok | 14:03 |
| efried | I'll be cleaning up the rest of the series over the next couple of days, but of course those pieces are Rocky-bound. | 14:04 |
| efried | mriedem Infra has declared no rechecks until they've finished sleuthing. | 14:04 |
| mriedem | ooo... | 14:04 |
| bauzas | it should no longer be called "the gate", rather "the wall" | 14:04 |
| mriedem | was there something in the ML? | 14:04 |
| mriedem | or just a channel message? | 14:04 |
| edleafe | "the pit" | 14:04 |
| efried | mriedem IRC broadcast | 14:04 |
| bauzas | mriedem: see IRC topics | 14:04 |
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| efried | "...of despair" | 14:04 |
| mriedem | ah | 14:04 |
| edleafe | next up: | 14:05 |
| edleafe | #link Nested RP traits selection: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531899/ | 14:05 |
| edleafe | Not much recent action on this, as the series is postponed until Rocky | 14:05 |
| bauzas | and https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Status | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | says that we had an infra cloud provider outage, hence the very large delay | 14:05 |
| edleafe | #link Singular request group traits, starting with: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/536085/ | 14:05 |
| edleafe | This series is also +W'd, although a cleanup patch at the end needs work | 14:05 |
| bauzas | the traits API thing has been merged, right? | 14:05 |
| edleafe | bauzas: which thing? | 14:06 |
| alex_xu | yes | 14:06 |
| bauzas | the API side | 14:06 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: the traits support in allocation candidates API is merged | 14:06 |
| alex_xu | the patch for support traits in flavor extra spec is still in the gate pipeline | 14:07 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/536085/ is left | 14:07 |
| mriedem | to tie things together | 14:07 |
| alex_xu | yes | 14:07 |
| bauzas | yeah ok, we're on the same page | 14:07 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: did you see my request for a functional test? | 14:07 |
| bauzas | I was meaning that | 14:07 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: the patch for bump the timeout? | 14:08 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: no, | 14:08 |
| mriedem | on the traits stuff, | 14:08 |
| mriedem | i think we should have a functional test with 2 computes and one decorated with a trait that we use via flavor extra spec to see everything works as expected | 14:08 |
| mriedem | end to end | 14:08 |
| bauzas | +1 | 14:08 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: yea, I will add one, gibi_ wants that also | 14:09 |
| mriedem | thanks. i can't remember which patch i mentioned that in. | 14:09 |
| edleafe | Moving on... | 14:09 |
| edleafe | #link Granular resource requests, starting with: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517757/ | 14:09 |
| edleafe | Still WIP; to be completed in Rocky | 14:09 |
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| edleafe | Next: | 14:09 |
| edleafe | #link Remove microversion fallback: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/528794/ | 14:09 |
| edleafe | Simple enough; caught in Zuul hell | 14:09 |
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| edleafe | Needs some +2s, also | 14:10 |
| edleafe | Last on the agenda: | 14:10 |
| edleafe | #link Use alternate hosts for resize: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/537614/ | 14:10 |
| edleafe | The main patch finally merged! All that's left is this follow-up unit test | 14:10 |
| bauzas | honestly, I think we need to identify what we can still land for Rocky and what can be postponed | 14:10 |
| bauzas | I know mriedem made an etherpad for that | 14:10 |
| edleafe | s/Rocky/Queens | 14:10 |
| bauzas | because I don't know when the gate problems will be fixed | 14:11 |
| bauzas | heh, oops, yes | 14:11 |
| bauzas | we can't just recheck the entire world | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-queens-blueprint-status is what i'm still tracking for queens | 14:11 |
| edleafe | We're OpenStack - we can do anything! | 14:11 |
| bauzas | (and I tell that as I also have one important change blocked in the gate) | 14:11 |
| bauzas | mriedem: yup, I was talking of that etherpad | 14:12 |
| edleafe | Is there anything on that etherpad we need to discuss? Seems straightforward to me | 14:12 |
| mriedem | no i don't think so, | 14:13 |
| mriedem | i think all the approved NRP stuff is mergd, | 14:13 |
| mriedem | so the rest goes to rocky | 14:13 |
| mriedem | i'll probably put a procedural -2 on the bottom change in the series | 14:13 |
| mriedem | oh nvm i see a bunch is approved now | 14:13 |
| efried | The bottom unapproved one, you mean | 14:13 |
| efried | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/537648/ is the first unapproved in the series. | 14:14 |
| mriedem | yeah | 14:14 |
| mriedem | question | 14:14 |
| mriedem | is there an 'end' patch in this series yet | 14:14 |
| mriedem | ? | 14:14 |
| mriedem | like, when do we say a user can use this stuff | 14:15 |
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| efried | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/520246/ | 14:15 |
| efried | if by "user" you mean "virt driver" | 14:15 |
| efried | And can use in the sense that they can use update_provider_tree, but they can't make use of nested therein. | 14:15 |
| mriedem | i mean, | 14:15 |
| mriedem | an API user or operator, | 14:16 |
| mriedem | modeling server create requests that rely on NRP | 14:16 |
| efried | Actual hierarchical provider models will require 1) the above (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/520246/), 2) Jay's series on NRP in alloc cands, and 3) a virt driver impl of update_provider_tree. | 14:17 |
| bauzas | mriedem: the theory is that a good customer usecase would be the VGPU stuff | 14:17 |
| efried | None of those things are making Q. | 14:17 |
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| efried | But are very close. | 14:17 |
| efried | Well, somewhat close. At least already started. | 14:17 |
| bauzas | mriedem: ie. xen folks providing a nested inventory so that a server boot asking for VGPU in the flavor would use that | 14:17 |
| bauzas | that's the only usecase I'm aware of in the foreseenable future | 14:18 |
| mriedem | vgpu and xen reminds me, there are open xen vgpu patches, so what's the support statement for the xen driver wrt gpu in queens? | 14:18 |
| bauzas | because PCI things are way behind that in terms of schedule | 14:18 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/add-support-for-vgpu+status:open | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | does the xen driver have the same basic support for vgpu as the libvirt driver? and the remaining patches are future work for using NRP? | 14:19 |
| bauzas | mriedem: AFAICT, they started to play with nested RPs | 14:19 |
| efried | 1) is a few lines of test code from being ready. 2) is fairly far along. 3) gpu stuff has been written based on WIPs of #1, but is obviously blocked by that, and is still pretty nascent afaik | 14:19 |
| efried | yes | 14:19 |
| bauzas | mriedem: yes, basic feature parity, except they haven't tested all the server actions AFAICS | 14:19 |
| mriedem | ok thanks both; bauzas we should have a patch for a feature support matrix entry for vgpu i think | 14:19 |
| bauzas | mriedem: yup, I saw your comment and I agree | 14:20 |
| mriedem | but now i'm derailing this meeting and will stop | 14:20 |
| bauzas | +1 | 14:20 |
| bauzas | (and I asked for a quick meeting - pretty unfair if I chat too much) | 14:20 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: heh | 14:21 |
| edleafe | Any other reviews to discuss? | 14:21 |
| edleafe | ok then | 14:22 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:22 |
| edleafe | #link Placement bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:22 | |
| edleafe | Nothing new this week; anyone have anything to say about bugs? | 14:22 |
| mriedem | we got'em | 14:22 |
| mriedem | just keep an eye out for new bugs each day until RC1 | 14:22 |
| bauzas | just that I'll do some triage | 14:22 |
| edleafe | Sounds good | 14:23 |
| edleafe | #topic Open Discussion | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:23 | |
| mriedem | ooo i have something | 14:23 |
| edleafe | go for it | 14:23 |
| mriedem | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-January/126653.html | 14:23 |
| mriedem | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-January/126653.html | 14:23 |
| mriedem | just a simple thing i POC'ed over the weekend, | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | to put the driver.capabilities as traits on the compute node RP | 14:23 |
| mriedem | i think this would be useful for scheduling things that depend on driver capabilities, like multiattach and tagged attach, | 14:24 |
| mriedem | which are things today that if we pick the wrong compute, we fail and don't reschedule | 14:24 |
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| mriedem | and also doesn't require a full blown capabilities API | 14:24 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I saw your email but I was waiting you to be awake | 14:24 |
| bauzas | mriedem: because looks like I wasn't thinking of the same than you when I was looking at a "capabilities API" | 14:24 |
| efried | First blush I like the idea. | 14:25 |
| bauzas | mriedem: in your email, you mention exposing the CPU features and other nasty bits, right? | 14:25 |
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| efried | IMO that should be done anyway, but is unrelated to driver capabilities. | 14:25 |
| bauzas | oh, sorrt | 14:25 |
| bauzas | misunderstood | 14:25 |
| cdent | efried: yeah, my thought too | 14:25 |
| mriedem | bauzas: no | 14:26 |
| bauzas | the proposal is to use traits for exposing what you can do for a compute | 14:26 |
| bauzas | correct? | 14:26 |
| mriedem | i've always wanted a way to take what's in the driver.capabilities dict, | 14:26 |
| mriedem | and expose that out of the rest api | 14:26 |
| mriedem | this is an easy way to do that | 14:26 |
| efried | In the sense of "has image cache" or "supports quiesce". Not in the sense of "HW_CPU_X86_AVX". | 14:26 |
| mriedem | correct | 14:27 |
| bauzas | gotcha | 14:27 |
| mriedem | we could have stored these along with the compute_nodes table and written a capabilities subresource API on os-hypervisors, | 14:27 |
| mriedem | but a new API just seems like it would get stuck in committee | 14:27 |
| mriedem | anyway, it was just an idea, thrown out there for discussion | 14:28 |
| efried | I mean, I get that there could be some confusion, because we're mixing virt driver traits with hardware traits on the same resource provider. | 14:28 |
| mriedem | not all traits on a RP are going to be hw traits, are they? | 14:28 |
| mriedem | that's a bit limited in scope | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | ages ago we talked about hypervisor version as a trait | 14:28 |
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| cdent | presumably an rp should expose any traits which are useful in selection | 14:29 |
| efried | Yeah, I'm not saying we shouldn't do it. I'm just saying muddling the distinction between "the box" and "the virt driver"... | 14:29 |
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| cdent | traits are cheap and designed to be cheap | 14:29 |
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| efried | We *could* make a dummy RP with no inventory that represents the virt driver. Put it... really anywhere in the tree. | 14:30 |
| efried | But to cdent's point, RPs are more expensive than traits. | 14:30 |
| mriedem | yeah that seems overly complicated to me | 14:30 |
| efried | Agree. | 14:30 |
| edleafe | efried: yeah, I was just going to say that | 14:30 |
| efried | reductio ad absurdam and all that. | 14:30 |
| mriedem | soon we'll have an SDD for modeling this all | 14:31 |
| edleafe | and "supports foo" is better than "version 1.23" | 14:31 |
| efried | ++ | 14:31 |
| bauzas | sorry, was on another discussion | 14:31 |
| * mriedem gets lost down memory lane http://docs.oasis-open.org/sdd/v1.0/os/sdd-spec-v1.0-os.html | 14:31 | |
| bauzas | but I think it's a doable way | 14:31 |
| * cdent demerits mriedem for making a refernce to oasis | 14:32 | |
| mriedem | i'll throw it in the PTG etherpad and we can discuss there, and move on here | 14:32 |
| bauzas | what's next to talk ? TOSCA support ? | 14:32 |
| mriedem | mmm https://www.dmtf.org/standards/cim | 14:32 |
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| edleafe | OK, anything else for opens? | 14:32 |
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| edleafe | OK, everyone - back to whatever it was you were doing before. | 14:33 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 29 14:33:29 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-01-29-14.00.html | 14:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-01-29-14.00.txt | 14:33 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 29 20:01:41 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:01 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:01 |
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| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 29 20:11:42 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2018/barbican.2018-01-29-20.01.html | 20:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2018/barbican.2018-01-29-20.01.txt | 20:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2018/barbican.2018-01-29-20.01.log.html | 20:11 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Hello PWG | 21:02 |
| rockyg | Hi Arkady_Kanevsky ! | 21:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Hi rocky. | 21:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Only two of us. | 21:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Had not seen any agenda. | 21:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Expect that we will not have a meeting. | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | But have one at PTG to decide how to proceed for the future. | 21:05 |
| rockyg | Yeah. Congratz on your election. | 21:05 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | thank you. | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Will you run for UC chair? | 21:06 |
| rockyg | So, between you and Prakash, does this mean Dell has decided OpenStack is part of its roadmap? | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | it always was. now it is much more visible | 21:07 |
| rockyg | Do you think I should? | 21:07 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | not sure. Melvin already there for Heiwei | 21:07 |
| rockyg | We could use an infusion of developers. I'm thinking of a presentation for Vancouver. "We're officially mature. Now what?" | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | i would support it. That is what I stated for 1 year cadence discussion | 21:08 |
| rockyg | Talk about cleanup, performance, customer focus, need for users to dig in. | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | make sense | 21:09 |
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| rockyg | Oh, yeah. Increase consistency across projects. tighter collaboration | 21:09 |
| rockyg | Hmm. I'll think about it.Or maybe Robert Starmer? | 21:10 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | your call. | 21:12 |
| rockyg | Have you had a chance to meet Prakash yet? | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes. I had met him. He is very Telco focused. | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | he is new to Dell | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Very nice gentlemen | 21:13 |
| rockyg | I think the UC electeds are too small to have two from one company. and yes, very telco focused, but loves to explore. | 21:13 |
| rockyg | IOT stuff would be good. | 21:14 |
| rockyg | for him. | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree that it will be better to have reps from different companies | 21:14 |
| rockyg | Also, interop WG needs some NFV expertise for getting the "NFV Ready" tm into good shape. | 21:15 |
| rockyg | I'm still waiting to read your thoughts on product WG, but then again, I haven't provided anything yet. | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | understand. | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Are you coming to PTG to Dublin | 21:17 |
| rockyg | How's the compute edge stuff going? It's too early for me, so just getting bits and flashes. and, nope, not currently slated for Dublin. Would love to be there and see Dublin, but would hate the commute. | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | too bad. Was hoping to meet you there. I guess I will see Anni. Edge is in reqs define phase now. | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | need to drop | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | have a good week | 21:21 |
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| rockyg | you too! | 21:21 |
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