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zhongjunHi15:01
gouthamro/15:01
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gouthamrbswartz: ?15:01
tbarronHi15:01
bswartz#startmeeting manila15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan  4 15:01:58 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)"15:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:02
bswartzhey guys15:02
gouthamrhello o/15:02
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gansohello15:02
tbarronhi15:02
zhongjunHi15:02
bswartzWelcome back from holidays15:02
bswartzOr happy holidays for those of you still celebrating15:02
bswartzI don't have any announcements for today15:03
bswartzbut I did have a topic to discuss15:03
bswartz#topic Generic driver attach problems15:03
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bswartztbarron: you asked me to take a look at some of the recurring failures in our generic driver tests15:04
bswartzon a patch of mine that affects the generic driver15:04
bswartzAfter looking at some job logs, I think there are issues with the nova/cinder attach detach15:04
bswartzbut I haven't found the smoking gun yet15:04
bswartzjungleboyj: any chance you're arround?15:05
jungleboyjWhat's up?15:05
bswartzI haven't looked to see if the new cinder attach detach logic has been flipped on, but that's one possible source of our issues15:05
bswartzjungleboyj: is the new attach logic enabled by default in cinder and/or nova yet?15:06
jungleboyjbswartz:  No.  You have to request the new microversion to use it.15:06
xyanghi15:07
jungleboyjOS_VOLUME_API_VERSION=3.4415:07
bswartzOk15:07
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bswartzAnd I'm pretty sure we don't do that anywhere15:07
jungleboyjbswartz:  Yeah, you guys shouldn't be using that.15:08
bswartzjungleboyj:  is there any chance the old cinder v2 API has altered behavior from how it used to be?15:08
bswartzin any case, I need to reproduce the failures and track down the cause in an isolated envirornment15:10
bswartzbecause I suspect that the generic driver is broken now, and it's non-voting gate status means we haven't cared15:11
bswartzIf anyone else has been playing with the latest versions of the generic driver and has seen issues please let me know15:11
bswartzokay that's all I had on this topic15:12
jungleboyjbswartz:  I don't think anything there should have changed.  All the the code changes were going into api/v315:12
bswartzis dustins around to talk about bugs?15:12
tbarronhe's on vacation till next week15:13
tbarrontangentially related to the attach issues, caowei remarked on my HA spec in progress15:13
bswartzdoing something fun I hope!15:13
tbarronhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/504987/15:13
tbarronthat the nova attach of cinder volumes adds extra challenges15:13
tbarronfor using the approaches outlined there with the generic driver15:14
tbarronfun?  if you can call being in New Hampshire (or anywhere on the east coast for that matter) fun at the moment15:14
bswartzyeah for a long time the nova-cinder attachment process has been a serious limitation on the generic driver15:14
bswartzthe most serious problem is the limit of 26 volumes per nova VM15:15
tbarronthinking about how to un-attach volumes from a fenced off SVM gives me headaches15:15
bswartzyeah there are those issues too15:16
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bswartzright now though we seem to have a basic problem with out state machine management15:17
bswartzmanila is trying to detach volumes that cinder believes are always detached15:17
bswartzit could be a race condition15:17
bswartzs/always/already/15:17
tbarronCan we just 'try-to-detach || true' ?15:18
bswartzYeah I'm sure the fix will be more robust checking before/after the API call15:18
tbarronWell, I guess we'd have to check the actual error from cinder ...15:18
bswartzI just want to make sure I understand the sequence of events that got us into the bad state15:19
tbarronack15:19
bswartzokay15:20
bswartz#topic open discussion15:20
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bswartzWe can table the bugs until next week15:20
bswartzanything else to be discussed for today?15:20
tbarronJust want to call awereness to lots of bug fixing activity whiile we were on vacation.15:21
gouthamr:) yeah..15:21
tbarronBy folks on other continents, so we need reviews.15:21
bswartzoh yes, thanks to those fixing bugs15:21
tbarronFor example, junbo li has been quite busy15:21
bswartzI'm behind on reviews15:21
tbarronhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:junbo85.li%2540gmail.com+status:open15:21
bswartzbut I want to spend time on reviews so send me a ping if you have anything waiting15:21
tbarronI think all of us who came back to lots of email and piled up work are behind.15:22
zhongjunyeah he did great job15:22
bswartzthe other thing I'll point out is that we're just 3 weeks from the Queens-3 milestone15:22
bswartzfeature proposal freeze is next monday15:23
tbarronAnd Jun has been  busy as usual :)15:23
zhongjun:)15:23
bswartzso it's time to wrap up any last features targeted for queens15:23
tbarronSo that deadline means blueprints need to be filed by then, right?15:24
tbarronOr approved?15:24
bswartznot blueprints -- the code itself15:24
gansotbarron: both, patches need to be somewhat complete passing jenkins15:24
tbarronbswartz: ganso thanks for the clarification :)15:25
bswartzthe last 2 weeks before feature freeze should just be reviewing/getting things merged (and any criticial bugfixes)15:25
bswartzthen we move on to more testing/bugfixing and docs fixes until the release15:26
bswartzI haven't been following the discussion on the fate of rocky15:26
* vkmc sneaks in late 15:26
bswartzi.e. whether it will be a 6 month or 12 month cycle15:27
bswartzI thought it was going to be 12, but then ttx said that was in doubt15:27
tbarronsounds like it will be 6 month ...15:27
gouthamrnothing's decided.. tl;dr: 12-month cycles aren't going to address the fundamental problem that the proposal was being made for15:27
ttxbswartz: 5 months is the most likely at this point15:27
ttxerr15:27
bswartzdid an official announcement go out and I missed it?15:27
ttx6 months15:28
gouthamr:D15:28
bswartzok15:28
ttxreview in progress :15:28
tbarronttx tries to raise blood pressure ...15:28
ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/528772/15:28
bswartzalso I'll remind you that PTG is coming up at the end of Feb15:28
bswartzManila will be there15:28
ttxI'll try to close the thread early next week.15:29
bswartzso please make travel plans if you plan to attend15:29
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gouthamri was quoting cdent's TC report.. https://anticdent.org/tc-report-2017-in-review.html#release-cycle-length15:29
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bswartzI don't have an etherpad yet, but later this month we'll get an agenda for the PTG started15:29
gansobswartz: don't we have an etherpad?15:30
gansobswartz: I remember seeing one15:30
bswartzganso: if we do, it was created by someone else15:30
gansobswartz: maybe I am confusing it with cinder's15:31
gouthamrwe did: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-rocky-ptg15:31
bswartzDoh!15:31
bswartzI did create this one15:31
bswartzBack before the holidays15:31
gansobswartz: post-holidays amnesia15:32
* bswartz celebrated too much15:32
bswartzOkay well I think that's everything for today15:32
xyangwill the manila and cinder sessions overlap?15:32
bswartzThanks all!15:32
xyangI mean ptg15:32
bswartzxyang: Minimally15:33
xyangI plan to attend remotely15:33
bswartzxyang: we can setup a speaker phone of some kind for remote attendees15:33
xyanggreat15:33
bswartzWhat I've asked for is time on Tuesday+Friday15:33
bswartzI need to check for confirmation that we'll get those times15:34
xyangok15:34
bswartz#endmeeting15:34
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gagehugolhinds o/17:02
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gagehugo#endmeeting17:03
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fungilooks like there's a stale channel topic. i can fix it before the #startmeeting17:09
fungijust a sec17:09
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fungithere we go17:09
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