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cousin_luigiGreetings.11:01
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toabctl#startmeeting rpm_packaging12:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 29 12:01:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.12:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.12:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)"12:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging'12:01
toabctlping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof12:01
jpenao/12:01
IgorYozhikovo/12:02
toabctlas usual , please add your topics to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging12:03
toabctlok. let's start12:07
toabctl#topic openSUSE and new python3 default12:07
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toabctlcousin_luigi, is that from you?12:07
cousin_luigitoabctl: Yes.12:07
cousin_luigiI've just read the transcript from 2 weeks ago and I see you've already discussed it.12:08
* toabctl was not attending that meeting...12:08
cousin_luigiThe provides: python2- thing is going to make more harm than good in TW at this point.12:08
cousin_luigiNot sure if it has been implemented at all.12:09
cousin_luigiI mean, TW is switching to python3 as default and packages will be named python- and python2- respectively.12:09
cousin_luigiI don't have solutions to propose, so I guess my intervention is over.12:10
toabctlcousin_luigi, I think the package names will be python2- and python3- but python3- provides python-12:10
cousin_luigiAha.12:10
toabctljpena, sorry for asking again, but is there anything happening in fedora land in regard to the singlespec approach?12:11
jpenatoabctl: no news :-/12:11
IgorYozhikovso, python3 going to be default?12:11
cousin_luigiIgorYozhikov: According to jan matejek yes.12:11
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cousin_luigiI see dirk mentioned a --flavor singlespec, was that just brainstorming?12:12
IgorYozhikovok12:12
IgorYozhikovmight be will be more flexible to add extra key for singlespec12:13
cousin_luigiIgorYozhikov: http://opensuse.14.x6.nabble.com/Switching-default-python-to-Python-3-td5089794.html12:13
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IgorYozhikovsorry, flavor is it12:14
toabctlnext topic?12:15
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toabctl#topic packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open )12:19
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toabctlI guess dirk and me need to go over the SUSE CI failures.12:20
toabctlanything specific somebody wants to talk about?12:20
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* IgorYozhikov doing review12:22
IgorYozhikovwhy not to propose this patch to upstream code ? - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469589/11/openstack/networking-vsphere/0001-fix-dvs-agent-config.patch12:27
toabctlIgorYozhikov, ask in the review :)12:28
IgorYozhikovwill do12:28
toabctlIgorYozhikov, btw. it is upstream proposed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468849/12:28
IgorYozhikovGood12:29
IgorYozhikovif it will be landed, patch in package will be not necessary12:30
toabctlbut it did not land yet. adding patches like this is what we usually do. no?12:31
IgorYozhikovtoabctl, not sure, but we can within current released code12:33
IgorYozhikovagree12:33
IgorYozhikovand will remove it for next release if code will be landed12:33
dirko/12:34
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IgorYozhikovhi dirk :)12:35
IgorYozhikovOpenFloor?12:37
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toabctl#topic open floor12:41
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toabctlanything else to discuss?12:42
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IgorYozhikovnot sure, continue reviewing12:42
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toabctlok. then let's end the meeting here.12:44
toabctlthanks everybody12:44
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toabctl#endmeeting12:44
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"12:44
openstackMeeting ended Thu Jun 29 12:44:28 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)12:44
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-06-29-12.01.html12:44
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-06-29-12.01.txt12:44
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-06-29-12.01.log.html12:44
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vnoginhi guys, sorry I'm late today. I'm in business trip now14:19
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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 29 15:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:00
bswartzhello all15:00
kaisers_o/15:00
dustins\o15:00
gouthamrhello o/15:00
gansohello15:00
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marksturhi15:00
toabctlhi15:00
jungleboyj@!15:00
tbarronhi15:00
zhongjunhi15:00
jungleboyjArgh!  No pewp bot here.15:01
jungleboyjo/15:01
jprovaznhi15:01
bswartzjungleboyj: the bot still isn't in this channel15:01
xyanghi15:01
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bswartz#topic announcements15:01
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gouthamrwe've our first action item15:01
bswartzso this is week R-915:01
jungleboyjgouthamr:  Already done.  I pinged Walt.15:02
bswartzwe're 4 weeks from feature freeze, 2 weeks from feature proposal freeze15:02
gouthamrjungleboyj: nice :)15:02
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bswartznext week I think we should consider canceling this meeting15:02
bswartzI personally won't be able to make it15:02
zhongjunwhy15:02
bswartzand I imagine some of you will be on vacation15:02
bswartzzhongjun: US Holiday15:03
zhongjunOh, Happy US Holiday15:03
jungleboyjWe celebrate our country by blowing up parts of it.15:03
bswartzthat being said, if someone wants to run the meeting in my absence, that would be fine15:03
bswartzeveryone think cancelling next week makes sense?15:04
gouthamr+115:05
dustinsWorks for me15:05
bswartzokay15:05
bswartzlet's move on to the agenda then15:05
bswartz#agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings15:05
bswartz#topic Revisit priorities for Pike15:05
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bswartzso as zhongjun has pointed out to me, we have a lot of patches that aren't getting reviews15:06
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bswartzwe've lost some core reviewers and others have had to decrease their involvement15:06
zhongjunI pointed out to a few guys :) Sorry for bother your guys :)15:07
bswartzI think it makes sense to take a look at the list of approved spec and reconsider if we really want to keep them all targeted for Pike or whether some should be pushed15:07
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bswartz#link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/manila-specs/15:08
bswartzalso we have to consider new drivers15:09
zhongjunWe did it when we review specs15:09
bswartzzhongjun: yes we drew a cut line when we reviewed and approved specs at milestone 115:09
bswartznow we have less resources than we did at that time, it makes sense to cut deeper15:09
bswartzthe alternative is to just keep the list as it is and people will review what they're able to and the rest will slip by accident15:10
bswartzmy priority continues to be ipv615:11
bswartzlet's take a quick look at the others and see where they stand15:11
bswartzthe share groups quota work is done and ready for review15:12
bswartzit's a 1000 line patch15:12
bswartzthe ceilometer integration has 3 +2s15:13
tbarroni think it's ready for workflow, anyone have issues with that?15:13
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zhongjunIt is not have tempest test15:13
zhongjunI am not sure is it ok for this15:13
bswartzhow do you tempest test something with no API impact?15:14
tbarronzhongjun: so we have asked what sort of tempest test is right for this?15:14
bswartzit needs some kind of functional test, but tempest seems like the wrong place15:14
tbarronwe don't want to break manila tempest b/c of test on ceilometer behavior15:14
tbarronis there black box behavior to test here?15:14
zhongjunAPI: create share.. then maybe get RPC message15:15
tbarronthat's not black box15:15
bswartztbarron it could be done15:15
bswartzwe could install a special listener that tempest can talk to15:15
bswartzthen send and API, and check that the listener got the message it wanted15:15
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bswartzthat would treat manila like a black box15:16
tbarronI don't necessarily object, but is this a good use of our resources for this one?15:16
bswartzthe main hurdle would be adding the text fixture to listen15:16
zhongjunBut I am not have strong idea for tempest test15:16
tbarronI worry about us slipping into pedantry.15:16
bswartzI'm curious how other projects test notifications15:16
zhongjunjust through it out15:16
bswartzif they have tests at all, they may have code we could borrow15:17
tbarronsure15:17
bswartzif they don't have tests, then maybe there's a good reason for it15:17
bswartz(or maybe it's just laziness)15:17
tbarroncinder doesn't have tests for this, I looked15:17
tbarronbut that doesn't answer the question15:17
tbarron:)15:17
bswartzyeah15:17
tbarronanyways, we digress from your main question.15:18
jungleboyj:-)15:18
jungleboyjtbarron:  We can borrow from you when you are done.15:18
gouthamrwe should add the manila tests and then go back and add cinder ones15:18
* gouthamr runs15:18
bswartzI don't want to spend much time on this topic, but yes some kind of functional testing is desired15:18
gouthamri agree this can't be tested from manila_tempest_tests15:18
bswartzsince it's not a straightforward tempest test to add, we might punt until later15:18
bswartzlet's move on15:19
bswartzensure share has a patch15:19
bswartzit's 336 lines and failing jenkins15:19
bswartzzhongjun: how high of a priority is this one for you?15:19
bswartz#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457545/15:19
zhongjunipv615:20
bswartzit's not essential15:20
bswartzfor ipv615:20
zhongjunwait a minute15:20
zhongjunlike filter: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462468/   gathering  usage size  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465055/   ipv6   https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406776/  ensure share https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457545/15:21
bswartzit's nice to have because of the ability to just add a ipv6 export to an existing share, but it's not required for ipv615:21
zhongjunmy list15:21
bswartzis that in priority order (your priorities)?15:21
zhongjunyes15:21
bswartzokay15:21
bswartzlet's cover like filter15:21
bswartz230 lines and failing jenkins15:22
bswartzlooks like gate-manila-tempest-minimal-dsvm-dummy-ubuntu-xenial failed15:22
bswartzit was passing earlier today15:22
bswartzmaybe a recent change broke it15:22
bswartzI agree this should be an easy one15:23
tommylikehumost of the codes looks good and we already have this feature in cinder. So I guess we can spend some time to make it right?15:23
bswartzfor the sake of getting things off the plate, let's prioritize reviews of this smaller patch15:23
gouthamrzhongjun: please rebase that patch on top of the export-locations filter patch...15:23
zhongjunyes, I submit one in my home, The jenkins is correct befor15:23
zhongjunbefore15:23
bswartzokay15:24
bswartzusage reporting15:24
bswartzjust 62 lines15:24
bswartzhave any drivers implemented this?15:24
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zhongjunbswartz: no drivers15:25
bswartzhmm15:25
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bswartzwe need first party driver support for this at least15:25
zhongjunbswartz: dummy driver :)15:26
bswartzdummy driver must support EVERYTHING15:26
tbarron:)15:26
bswartzwe need actual functional support in a real driver15:26
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bswartzit should be easy to add it to lvm or generic15:26
bswartzif it's not easy, then that tells us something about the feature15:27
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zhongjunyes, add it in lvm15:27
bswartzokay moving on15:27
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bswartzipv6 is very important, and I think if anything of zhongjun's should not make it in pike, it should be the ensure share stuff, we can put that at the bottom of the list15:28
bswartzthere are 2 other specs15:28
bswartzshare type quotas15:28
tbarronthat one is quite far along15:28
bswartzit's partly merged15:28
tbarronbut gouthamr and vponmaryov have to have a meeting of the minds15:28
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bswartzcurrently there's a 2249 line patch15:28
tbarronso it could be a while :)15:29
bswartzvponmaryov isn't here today unfortunately15:29
* tbarron is really just joking on that last remark15:29
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bswartzgouthamr might need to make the changes he wants himself15:29
gouthamrone sided fight this15:29
zhongjunipv6 also important for us15:29
bswartzI feel like the type quotas is more or less done15:30
bswartzwe need to settle the open debate15:30
bswartzgouthamr: disagreements like the one in that patch should be put on meeting agendas so we can address them15:30
gouthamri thought we did that last week15:30
bswartz>_<15:30
gouthamrbswartz: both patches :)15:30
bswartzokay I'll have to read the history because I don't remember this one specifically15:31
bswartzlastly, the user messages spec15:31
bswartzit has a raft of patches associated with it15:31
jprovaznyea, though only the first one is bigger15:32
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gouthamri was testing that one last night.. ^15:32
gouthamri'll wrap up my review today15:32
bswartzjprovazn: is it "done" as far as you're concerned?15:32
jprovaznyes, I think it's good to be merged15:32
tbarronwe do have a pedantic microversion issue to work out15:32
gouthamrjprovazn zhongjun: there'll be a merge conflict on export-locations and user-messages,15:32
tbarronbut it's good to go otherwise15:33
bswartztbarron: what is that?15:33
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tbarronjprovazn: why don't you answer?15:33
jprovaznsec, let me send a link to the comment about microversion15:33
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zhongjungouthamr: yes15:33
tommylikehuguess which one get merged earlier15:33
jprovaznhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/471438/8/manila/api/v2/messages.py15:33
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jprovaznso I split out user messages stuff into more patches15:34
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jprovaznthe thing is that sorting patch changes api introduced in the first "big" user messages patch15:34
bswartzokay so is the underlying issue the authorship?15:34
bswartzbecause that's easily solved with a Co-Authored-By line in the commit15:35
gouthamrzhongjun: you shouldn't need to microversion changes to teh API that will land back-to-back15:35
jprovaznbswartz, yes, authorship is the main reason15:35
gouthamrzhongjun: the same API*15:35
jprovaznif you really want, I can squash both patches together15:35
bswartzgouthamr: actually that's the whole point of microversions (as opposed to versioning the API by release)15:35
gouthamrsomething about user messages and authorship in openstack15:36
bswartz2 patches that both change the API should have 2 version bumps15:36
gouthamrbswartz: what.. but they're only split for logical reasons15:36
gouthamrbswartz: we've certainly done that before15:36
bswartzgouthamr: nobody else knows that15:36
bswartzgouthamr: other splits have been done in ways such that only 1 patch actually changes the API15:37
zhongjungouthamr:  Do you mean user message's APIs?15:37
bswartzthe underlying assumption of microversions, is that someone might deploy any given commit from master15:37
gouthamrzhongjun: yes15:37
bswartzwe all know that fairly unrealistic, but the community seems to stand by this assumption15:37
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tbarronso rather than waste too many cycles on this probably we should just squash?15:38
gouthamrbswartz: i don't agree.. this confuses users... when patch 1 merges, we'll logically merge the follow on patch too15:38
bswartzI would say +1 for squash15:38
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bswartzsolve the authorship problem with a Co-Authored-By line15:38
zhongjungouthamr: If it will be merged at the same manila version, then it is ok.15:38
jprovaznACK, I'll squash them15:38
gouthamrnot opposed to squashing them..15:38
bswartzI'm confident that ameade has already forgotten about this patch15:38
tbarrondoing the extra microversioning on this to meet a formal rule is a waste of resources15:38
bswartzameade: ;-)15:39
gouthamr+15:39
gouthamr115:39
gouthamrameade whoo15:39
marksturdon't poke ameade. he might show up15:39
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bswartzikr15:39
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gansotbarron: +115:39
bswartzokay so hopefully this one will be ready for merge after the squash happens15:39
ameadeboo!15:39
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bswartzgah!15:40
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jungleboyjAhhhhh!15:40
marksturameade: lol.  hi15:40
gouthamrameade: risen again15:40
ameadetoo busy to read what yall are talking about lol15:40
jprovaznameade, hi! :) discussing your patch15:40
jungleboyjAh the consultant's life.15:40
bswartzsee I told you he wouldn't mind15:40
bswartzokay so what about new drivers15:41
ameadeI have a patch? lol15:41
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bswartzI don't have a list of the new drivers for pike at my fingertips15:41
gansoameade: your legacy15:41
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gouthamrthere were two with no CI/passing CI: Infortrend and Veritas15:42
bswartz#link openstack.org/#/c/465846/15:42
vponomaryovbswartz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472190/15:42
bswartz#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472190/15:42
gouthamrVeritas looks like they weren't aiming for pike..15:42
bswartzcan't find any others15:43
bswartzdid they merge?15:43
gansobswartz: I don't think there were other new drivers15:43
tbarroncephfs-nfs merged15:43
gouthamrCEPH had a new protocol... merged.15:43
* markstur looks in lost+found15:43
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bswartzk15:44
bswartzalright then that covers the major priorities for the rest of pike15:44
bswartzthere are some smaller things too15:44
bswartzlet's move on though15:44
bswartz#topic bug squash?15:45
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bswartzI'm thinking that we should start a habit of bug squash days15:45
bswartznot only would it be good to get together from time to time and fix a bunch of bugs, but it would help us get on the same page about quality issues and challenges related to testing15:46
jprovazn+115:46
bswartztraditionally bug squashes are scheduled for sometime after feature freeze before the RC15:46
dustins+115:46
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bswartzso I wanted to first gauge interest and see if anyone wants to volunteer to coordinate it15:47
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bswartzI'm thinking something virtual, hopefully a whole day15:47
bswartzalthought with timezone issues some people might only be able to attend part of it15:47
bswartzand assuming people want to do this, we need to figure out what conflicts we need to schedule around15:48
zhongjunI'd like to try it15:48
bswartzI don't think we can schedule it today, but by next meeting I'd like to have enough information that we can put it on the calendar15:48
bswartzremember that PTG this cycle will happen right at the end of the release like Ocata15:49
bswartzand we agreed to do a virtual PTG for Queens15:49
bswartzso we'll be meeting the week before or after the Denver meetup15:49
bswartzthat's another even that needs scheduling15:50
bswartz#link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html15:50
bswartzwe should be looking at R-4 or R-3 for bug squash days15:51
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jprovaznhmmm, I guess there will be bunch of PTOs these weeks15:51
bswartzindeed15:51
bswartzbecause of that, anyone who wants to participate in a bug squash day should send me the days that won't work for them15:52
bswartzassuming you have you vacation plans for August15:52
bswartzwe'll see if we can find a day that works for most people15:52
bswartzlooks like Denver will happen at R+2 for Pike15:52
bswartzso more breathing room than we had with Ocata15:53
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bswartzanyways that's all I had15:53
bswartz#topic open discussion15:53
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bswartzwe have a few more minute if anyone has another topic15:53
tbarronok let's go back to the functional tests and the telemetry review15:53
tbarrondo we have a framework for these to use?15:54
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bswartztbarron: so the design here is that we send notifications which in theory anyone can consume right?15:54
tbarroncorrect15:54
bswartzhow hard is it to write a "hello world" notification listener?15:54
tbarronthat's not really what I'm asking, i'm asking15:54
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tbarrondoes manila have a framework for functional tests15:55
bswartznot in the way that cinder does15:55
tbarronit's a good idea that we should have one, but it seems another project to take on15:56
bswartzalthough the cinder approach hurt my brain tbh15:56
bswartzhurts*15:56
tbarronfrom a practical standpoint we should test that this works end to end, but15:56
tbarronthe likelihood of breakage and the consequences of breakage are low15:56
tbarronand the value of the feature getting in is high15:57
bswartzthe idea that I had was to actually test this in tempest, with a simple listener15:57
tbarronI don't like doing thiis in tempest at all15:57
bswartzIt would be a net-new thing to write, which is why I wouldn't insist on doing it now15:57
tbarronadding a "simple listener" to tempest seems a nightmare, not b/c of the listener but b/c of tempest15:57
bswartzwhat's your objection to doing it in tempest?15:57
tbarronthat ^^15:58
tbarronmaybe I'm wrong though.15:58
vponomaryovtbarron: it can be added to manila tempest plugin15:58
dustinsTempest doesn't really seem like the place for it, though15:58
vponomaryovtbarron: don't see problem here15:58
dustinsGranted, I don't really know where the correct place is, but it seems odd to me15:58
bswartzwell there is the issue that tempest isn't set up to interact with the backend of the cloud, where this kind of listener would reside15:58
tbarrontempest is fragile enough as it is15:58
bswartzinstalling the listener would necessarily involve modification of config files15:58
tbarroni want us to work on *real* problems15:58
tbarronof which there are many15:59
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tbarronnot on pedantic stuff15:59
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tbarronthat doesn't add much value15:59
bswartztbarron: it sounds like you're arguing for simply not testing this feature for now15:59
tbarronwe should test it manually15:59
bswartzif so I don't have a problem with that15:59
bswartzbut it shouldn't stop us from planning how to test it correctly in an automated way16:00
tbarronand if someone invests energy to build a good functioonal test framework this would be a candidate for that16:00
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tbarronbswartz: ack16:00
bswartzbecause such a test would have value for not only us, but also cinder and every other service that does notifications and doesn't test them16:00
bswartzokay we've hit our time limit16:01
bswartzthanks everyone16:01
bswartz#endmeeting16:01
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jungleboyj@!17:00
pewpjungleboyj (*゚͠ ∀ ͠)ノ17:00
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lhinds#startmeeting security project17:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 29 17:02:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:02
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lhinds#chair hyakuhei17:02
openstackCurrent chairs: hyakuhei lhinds17:02
lhindshyakuhei: you around bud?17:02
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lhinds#topic agenda17:03
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lhinds#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda17:03
lhindsanyone else around?17:03
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