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| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 09:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 14 09:20:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:20 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ha)" | 09:20 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 09:20 |
| aspiers | hi | 09:20 |
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| samP | hi | 09:20 |
| aspiers | just a quick update from my side | 09:21 |
| aspiers | #topic update of converged architecture diagrams | 09:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "update of converged architecture diagrams (Meeting topic: ha)" | 09:21 | |
| aspiers | I repeated our Boston talk at OpenStack Day in Israel | 09:21 |
| samP | great.. | 09:21 |
| aspiers | https://aspiers.github.io/openstack-day-israel-2017-compute-ha/ | 09:21 |
| aspiers | and I made some improvements to the diagrams | 09:21 |
| samP | I will check that.. thanks | 09:22 |
| aspiers | https://aspiers.github.io/openstack-day-israel-2017-compute-ha/#/existing-architecture | 09:22 |
| aspiers | thanks, would be great if you could sanity check that when you have a moment | 09:22 |
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| aspiers | I noticed there was a mistake in the previous version, where NovaCompute and NovaEvacuate were the wrong way around | 09:23 |
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| samP | aspiers: sure, I will check that | 09:23 |
| aspiers | beekhof: when you see this, hopefully you can sanity check too :) | 09:23 |
| aspiers | samP: great thanks | 09:24 |
| beekhof | i have no sanity left | 09:24 |
| aspiers | #topic masakari packages | 09:24 |
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| aspiers | ah yes, I should have remembered that ;-) | 09:24 |
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| aspiers | also, all three masakari repos are covered by rpm-packaging now | 09:24 |
| aspiers | https://github.com/openstack/rpm-packaging/tree/master/openstack | 09:25 |
| samP | aspiers: thanks.. but you request some version fix, right? | 09:25 |
| beekhof | looks about right | 09:25 |
| beekhof | we should never have combined the two fence_compute functions into a single agent | 09:25 |
| aspiers | samP: the version fix will help, but I found a workaround in the meanwhile | 09:26 |
| aspiers | beekhof: right | 09:26 |
| aspiers | beekhof: I realise the diagram is out of date with respect to nova-compute-wait | 09:26 |
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| aspiers | beekhof: but we still haven't switched to that yet | 09:26 |
| beekhof | its close enough | 09:26 |
| aspiers | beekhof: yeah, it's just a detail | 09:26 |
| samP | aspiers: OK, anyway I have to do that. I will do that today | 09:26 |
| beekhof | hopefully we can throw the lot out and use masakari one day soon | 09:26 |
| aspiers | but that also cleans the diagram up nicely, since then NovaCompute will remain on the monitoring side | 09:27 |
| aspiers | and nova-compute-wait will be on the recovery side, IIUC | 09:27 |
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| aspiers | #topic proposed new working group | 09:28 |
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| aspiers | also, in Israel I met Ifat who is PTL of Vitrage | 09:28 |
| aspiers | and we had a really nice discussion about the synergies between related projects | 09:28 |
| aspiers | there is an obvious link between (say) Vitrage and masakari | 09:29 |
| aspiers | e.g. if you want to deduplicate failures from alarms | 09:29 |
| samP | aspiers: yep.. | 09:29 |
| aspiers | Vitrage would help with that | 09:29 |
| aspiers | since it can understand that VM failures originate from the failure of the underlying compute host | 09:29 |
| aspiers | and stuff like that | 09:29 |
| aspiers | she thought it would be possible for masakari to query Vitrage's API for this kind of logic | 09:30 |
| aspiers | so then masakari knows the root cause of an issue, and only does recovery targetting the root problem, not the symptoms | 09:30 |
| aspiers | also, there are other projects which eventually could be integrated | 09:30 |
| aspiers | e.g. mistral, congress, monasca, watcher, senlin ... | 09:31 |
| aspiers | so I had the idea of creating a working group | 09:31 |
| samP | aspiers: agree | 09:31 |
| aspiers | which involves representatives from all these projects | 09:31 |
| aspiers | and we could agree on how to integrate them all together | 09:31 |
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| aspiers | Ifat and Jonathan Bryce both thought this was worth proposing to openstack-dev, so I will do that | 09:32 |
| aspiers | any suggestions for a name for the WG? | 09:32 |
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| samP | aspiers: what is the scope of this WG? it is about VMHA or much wider scope? | 09:33 |
| aspiers | samP: wider | 09:33 |
| aspiers | samP: everything which involves monitoring OpenStack and then taking automatic action based on events | 09:34 |
| samP | aspiers: great.. | 09:34 |
| aspiers | where the events are hard failures, soft failures (e.g. bad performance), or just sub-optimal states which need optimising (Watcher) | 09:34 |
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| samP | aspiers: monitoring something and taking automatic action upon those; HA is a subset of that.. | 09:37 |
| samP | aspiers: we could start with our HA issues.. | 09:38 |
| aspiers | samP: exactly, HA is a subset | 09:39 |
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| aspiers | samP, beekhof: I'll send a mail to openstack-dev and see what people think | 09:40 |
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| samP | aspiers: thanks..i am happy to be involved | 09:41 |
| aspiers | samP: great :) | 09:41 |
| aspiers | that's all I had for today, anything else from your side? otherwise we can finish | 09:41 |
| samP | we have 2 specs in masakari, | 09:42 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469070/ | 09:42 |
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| samP | which propose intrusive instance monitoring | 09:43 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458023/ | 09:44 |
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| samP | which propose Recovery method customization, had some comment about Mistral, We could use Mistral, but still in discussion | 09:45 |
| samP | thatz all from my side | 09:45 |
| samP | BTW, please review them when you have spare time.. | 09:46 |
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| aspiers | yes, I am following those reviews | 09:47 |
| samP | aspiers: thanks | 09:47 |
| aspiers | I think I already reviewed the first one, but not the latest changeset | 09:48 |
| aspiers | same for the other one too, actually | 09:48 |
| aspiers | #topic meeting time | 09:48 |
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| aspiers | samP: I just remembered, we need to decide what to do about the meeting time | 09:48 |
| aspiers | currently it's useless for Americans | 09:49 |
| samP | aspiers: yes.. | 09:49 |
| aspiers | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/116703.html | 09:49 |
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| aspiers | #action aspiers to email openstack-dev proposing a new working group | 09:49 |
| aspiers | I didn't get any reply to that though :-/ | 09:50 |
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| samP | aspiers: can we find good time slot? | 09:50 |
| aspiers | there is no good timeslot which includes everyone :-( | 09:50 |
| aspiers | beekhof: are you still wanting to be able to join these meetings? are you still focused on HA, or have you gone over to the wonderful world of containers? | 09:51 |
| samP | aspiers: thtz true. I can join in late time slots, in that case | 09:51 |
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| aspiers | ok | 09:57 |
| aspiers | closing this meeting for now, we can continue in #openstack-ha if necessary | 09:57 |
| aspiers | thanks guys! | 09:57 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 09:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 14 09:57:17 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2017/ha.2017-06-14-09.20.html | 09:57 |
| samP | aspiers: thanks | 09:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2017/ha.2017-06-14-09.20.txt | 09:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2017/ha.2017-06-14-09.20.log.html | 09:57 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 14 14:00:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 14:00 |
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| zhurong | hi devkulkarni | 14:01 |
| devkulkarni | hi zhu | 14:01 |
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| devkulkarni | we can wait a minute or so to see if others join | 14:02 |
| zhurong | sure | 14:02 |
| devkulkarni | earlier this week I saw couple of new folks in our irc channel | 14:02 |
| devkulkarni | lets see if any of them join for the meeting | 14:02 |
| zhurong | devkulkarni do you have experience to using Cython? | 14:04 |
| devkulkarni | no, I have never used it | 14:04 |
| zhurong | Using Cython to complier python code | 14:04 |
| zhurong | OK | 14:05 |
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| devkulkarni | in what context are you using cython? just curious | 14:05 |
| zhurong | Just do some research about this | 14:06 |
| devkulkarni | ah okay | 14:06 |
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| devkulkarni | alright.. lets get started | 14:06 |
| devkulkarni | main thing for today is patch to unblock gate for stable/ocata | 14:07 |
| devkulkarni | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472150/2 | 14:07 |
| zhurong | yeah | 14:07 |
| devkulkarni | I understand your point about zun | 14:07 |
| devkulkarni | http://logs.openstack.org/50/472150/2/check/gate-solum-devstack-dsvm-ubuntu-xenial/ff39fef/logs/screen-zun-api.txt | 14:07 |
| devkulkarni | looks like zun-api is not starting up | 14:07 |
| devkulkarni | and as you said, zun has not yet cut stable/ocata | 14:07 |
| devkulkarni | so what are our options? we can request the zun team to cut stable/ocata | 14:08 |
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| devkulkarni | other option would be to somehow override our project configuration / devstack configuration to use master of zun instead of stable/ocata | 14:09 |
| zhurong | maybe they can not do this | 14:09 |
| devkulkarni | but I don't know how easy / complex that would be | 14:09 |
| zhurong | yep, I have no idea too | 14:09 |
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| devkulkarni | why do you think they can not cut stable/ocata? at least we can get a timeline from them if they are not yet ready | 14:10 |
| devkulkarni | what do you think? | 14:11 |
| zhurong | maybe this is the eariest to solve this | 14:11 |
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| devkulkarni | you mean, asking zun team to cut stable/ocata is the easiest path to solve the problem? yes, I agree that that is the easiest way | 14:12 |
| zhurong | haha | 14:12 |
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| devkulkarni | I would suggest we check with the zun team about whether they can cut stable/ocata, or if they cannot then at least let us know when they would do that. That way we will know when our gate will get cleared. | 14:14 |
| zhurong | yeah, I think so | 14:15 |
| devkulkarni | cool. | 14:15 |
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| zhurong | devkulkarni I think we can change our meeting frequency to two weeks | 14:18 |
| devkulkarni | how do you want to do that? one option is you can ping them on their irc channel. Or you can send an email to the mailing list with [solum][zun] tags explaining the situation. Email route will give you an opportunity to interact on mailing list which will be useful in the future (in the PTL role).. any route is fine as long as we get in touch with the zun team and find out their timeline | 14:18 |
| devkulkarni | zhurong: I think that should be fine. | 14:18 |
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| zhurong | I will ping hongbin about this | 14:19 |
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| devkulkarni | zhurong: okay, that sounds good | 14:19 |
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| devkulkarni | about meetings every two weeks, I think it should be fine | 14:19 |
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| devkulkarni | we can informally do this anyway | 14:20 |
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| devkulkarni | for instance, after today's meeting we can decide to meet again after two weeks unless there is something pressing that comes up | 14:21 |
| devkulkarni | in that case we can meet during the middle week | 14:21 |
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| zhurong | agree | 14:22 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 14:22 |
| devkulkarni | apart from that patch, I don't have anything pressing to discuss | 14:23 |
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| devkulkarni | when is your openstack conference in china? | 14:23 |
| devkulkarni | I remember you saying that it is sometime in summer | 14:23 |
| devkulkarni | are you going there? | 14:24 |
| zhurong | yep, 07-24 | 14:25 |
| devkulkarni | ah okay.. so its in next month | 14:25 |
| zhurong | yeah, are you have any plan to come to China? | 14:25 |
| devkulkarni | no, not really.. may be sometime in the future | 14:25 |
| devkulkarni | for that conference, are you going to do any presentations/demos? If so, you can use our slide-deck from the summit | 14:26 |
| zhurong | this conference one people can only summit one topic :( | 14:27 |
| devkulkarni | oh! | 14:27 |
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| devkulkarni | in any case, you can keep solum presentation and demo handy.. then, if you get a chance you can show the demo to people | 14:28 |
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| devkulkarni | if there is some sort of open presentation / unconference at the venune | 14:28 |
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| zhurong | yeah, I will | 14:28 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 14:29 |
| devkulkarni | anything else you want to discuss? if not, we can end the meeting.. | 14:30 |
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| zhurong | nothing from my side | 14:30 |
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| devkulkarni | alright then..we can meet for meeting again in two weeks.. if something comes up before then, then we can always meet next wednesday as we still will have our meeting slot | 14:31 |
| devkulkarni | in the mean time if you can sync up with hongbin that would be great | 14:31 |
| zhurong | OK | 14:32 |
| devkulkarni | alright. good night zhurong. have a great rest of the week | 14:32 |
| zhurong | have a good day devkulkarni | 14:32 |
| devkulkarni | thanks :) | 14:32 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 14:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 14 14:32:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2017/solum_team_meeting.2017-06-14-14.00.html | 14:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2017/solum_team_meeting.2017-06-14-14.00.txt | 14:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2017/solum_team_meeting.2017-06-14-14.00.log.html | 14:32 |
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| amrith | #startmeeting trove | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| amrith | anyone here for the trove meeting? | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 15:00 |
| amrith | ping johnma slicknik songjian trevormc amrith | 15:01 |
| songjian | o/ | 15:01 |
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| amrith | hi songjian | 15:01 |
| songjian | hi amrith | 15:01 |
| amrith | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 15:01 |
| amrith | the agenda hasn't been updated since last week | 15:01 |
| amrith | so there's nothing new since last week | 15:02 |
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| amrith | ok, let's get started | 15:04 |
| amrith | songjian sorry there's no one else | 15:04 |
| amrith | re: your question about clusters | 15:04 |
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| amrith | for heterogenous clusters, if you have this new output, will it break backward compatibility? | 15:04 |
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| amrith | if not, I think it is worth considering what you will return for homogeneous clusters | 15:05 |
| songjian | no ,this change only with mongo | 15:05 |
| amrith | and also make the dashboard (horizon) change | 15:05 |
| songjian | In fact, only mongodb and vertica cluster have two types of instance, while vertia has completed the display of both mater and member. The change is to show more content for "cluster-instance". This change is only related to mongodb cluster. There is a cluster corresponding API to determine which type of nodes to display. I prefer to display all nodes of the cluster, through this command. This will be more detailed. | 15:05 |
| amrith | songjian there are other clusters which are heterogeneous | 15:05 |
| amrith | like vertica | 15:05 |
| songjian | yes,and it show master and member,in cluster-instances | 15:05 |
| songjian | but mongo only show member | 15:06 |
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| amrith | ok, sounds good. will you be making the dashboard change as well? | 15:06 |
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| songjian | no,just change trove and troveclient | 15:07 |
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| songjian | if we need type show from dashboard | 15:07 |
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| songjian | we also need change it | 15:07 |
| amrith | i believe so | 15:08 |
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| songjian | The work can be divided into two phases, 1.change trove 2.change troveclient and dashboard | 15:08 |
| amrith | sounds like #2 will never get done | 15:09 |
| songjian | step 1 just show more instance for mongo cluster,and if we need "type",we need do step 2 | 15:09 |
| songjian | Maybe I need some research. I've never met a dashboard... | 15:10 |
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| songjian | troveclient change just a small change,but dashboard,I need study with it | 15:12 |
| amrith | ok, please do | 15:12 |
| songjian | thx ,another thing | 15:12 |
| amrith | the issue is that each time we do this phase 1, phase 2 thing, we end up with divergence between clients | 15:13 |
| songjian | I think this is useful,I want work with it. | 15:13 |
| songjian | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420819/ | 15:13 |
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| amrith | songjian it fails most tests, do you want to retest it and make sure it is ready to review | 15:17 |
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| songjian | yes,I want try. | 15:18 |
| amrith | ok, thanks songjian | 15:23 |
| amrith | is there anything else for the meeting | 15:23 |
| amrith | or can we wrap up | 15:23 |
| amrith | looks like no one else is coming :( | 15:24 |
| songjian | nothing from me | 15:24 |
| songjian | thx amrith | 15:24 |
| amrith | OK, thanks songjian | 15:24 |
| amrith | I'll close this meeting now | 15:24 |
| amrith | as there is no one else | 15:24 |
| songjian | ok | 15:24 |
| amrith | #endmeeting | 15:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 14 15:24:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2017/trove.2017-06-14-15.00.html | 15:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2017/trove.2017-06-14-15.00.txt | 15:24 |
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| rkukura | Hi ML2’ers! | 16:00 |
| pcarver | Hi. I'm around, but not paying attention unless trevormc needs me to answer something | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | thanks pcarver! | 16:03 |
| trevormc | hey pcarver, thanks for attending. I had a call with some folks from intel about the bugs i have proposed. They are onboard with the idea and we sync'd our plans a bit. | 16:03 |
| rkukura | hi trevormc! | 16:03 |
| rkukura | who else is here for ML2 today? | 16:03 |
| sadasu | Hello! | 16:04 |
| rkukura | hi sadasu! | 16:04 |
| trevormc | o/ | 16:04 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev said he might join a few minutes late | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | but lets get started… | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 14 16:05:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:05 |
| rkukura | #topic Agenda | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:05 | |
| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_June_14.2C_2017 | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Same agenda as recent meetings | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Anything to add? | 16:06 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:06 | |
| rkukura | I have no announcements | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Anyone else? | 16:06 |
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| trevormc | nothing too much, looks like one of my patches for qinq is about to land | 16:07 |
| rkukura | I missed last week, and don’t see minutes, but Sukhdev said there was a meeting | 16:07 |
| rkukura | I’ll also most likely miss next week | 16:07 |
| reedip_ | o/ | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | Sorry for late entry | 16:07 |
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| trevormc | hi reedip_ | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | hi Sukhdev, reedip_ | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | I must have mistyped the meeting name. Will look for the minutes and pist | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | #topic RFEs/bugs | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | trevormc: sounds like you may have some updates for us | 16:08 |
| trevormc | so the refactor patch is about to land | 16:09 |
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| trevormc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458531/ | 16:09 |
| trevormc | but I had a question on my other patch that I wasn't sure on how to answer | 16:09 |
| trevormc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446047/34//COMMIT_MSG@23 | 16:09 |
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| trevormc | if I could have someone's input on yamamoto's comment, that would be appreciated. I thought the driver would serve as a general purpose way for using QinQ networks with any backend, not just ovs. | 16:11 |
| trevormc | i didnt have any other updates | 16:12 |
| rkukura | I’m not sure I can help with yamamoto’s comment | 16:12 |
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| trevormc | that's ok. | 16:12 |
| rkukura | seems like following up in gerrit makes most sense, or starting an email thread | 16:13 |
| sadasu | my simple answer would be that each ml2 mech driver handled this case their own way | 16:13 |
| trevormc | yeah agreed | 16:13 |
| trevormc | sadasu: that's what I thought too | 16:13 |
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| sadasu | that meant that some config was specified to a specific mech driver to handle it within its own logic | 16:14 |
| trevormc | Sukhdev_, on another note, I reached out to rosella, she commented on my bug for sriov vlan filter. She says it possible and the proposed way in the bug is the way to go. | 16:14 |
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| sadasu | but, now you are providing a generic ml2 way of handling this | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev_ | trevormc : cool | 16:14 |
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| sadasu | I had to support this functionality in my ucsm plugin | 16:15 |
| trevormc | sadasu, oh that's interesting, how did it work? | 16:15 |
| sadasu | and due to various reasons did not go the route of proposing a generic ml2 solution | 16:15 |
| trevormc | ok maybe an ML discussion would be appropriate, about how to handle QinQ networks. | 16:16 |
| sadasu | the "internal VLANs" , borrowing from yamamoto's terminology | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev_ | trevormc: I just read yamamoto's comment - he is basically saying that this should be handled in the back-end by the plugins/drivers - instead of exposing it into the API | 16:17 |
| sadasu | was specified as a list to the mech driver and then the outer-Vlan or the VM - VLAN was managed via neutron / ml2 | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev_ | sadasu trevormc : yamamoto is essentially saying that you solve it the way sadasu did | 16:18 |
| trevormc | Hmm interesting, so what should we do moving forward? I guess I could WF -1 the refactor patch | 16:19 |
| sadasu | Sukhdev_, trevormc: agreed and it is a valid question | 16:19 |
| trevormc | it was about to merge but jenkins hasn't passed yet, (luckily ? | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev_ | trevormc : so, you can answer him in two ways : | 16:19 |
| sadasu | trevormc: just explain that it is a generic way and each mech driver should not have to re-invent | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev_ | 1) you are solving it in a more generic manner so everybody can use it | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev_ | 2) or you will follow the same trick which sadasu did | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev_ | but, since, this is ready to merge, I will stay with it | 16:20 |
| sadasu | I agree with Sukhdev_ | 16:20 |
| trevormc | i was going to say that but.. i may be a little bias | 16:20 |
| trevormc | haha | 16:20 |
| trevormc | ok, I'll let him know and make a comment in review about it | 16:21 |
| trevormc | - nothing else from, me thanks for the support! | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev_ | trevormc : If you send me the link, I will be happy to add the comment for you :-) | 16:21 |
| rkukura | thanks trevormc! | 16:22 |
| trevormc | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446047/ | 16:22 |
| rkukura | OK, any other RFEs/bugs to discuss today? | 16:22 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | Anythign to discuss today? | 16:23 |
| rkukura | If not, we can wrap up early | 16:23 |
| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 16:24 |
| trevormc | o/ | 16:24 |
| sadasu | thanks! | 16:24 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | bye | 16:24 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 14 16:24:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2017/networking_ml2.2017-06-14-16.05.html | 16:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2017/networking_ml2.2017-06-14-16.05.txt | 16:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2017/networking_ml2.2017-06-14-16.05.log.html | 16:24 |
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| timsim | #startmeeting designate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 14 17:00:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is timsim. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:00 |
| trungnv_ | o/ | 17:00 |
| timsim | #topic roll call | 17:00 |
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| timsim | hi | 17:00 |
| daidv_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| mugsie | hey | 17:01 |
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| timsim | #topic action items from last week | 17:02 |
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| timsim | non | 17:02 |
| timsim | noen | 17:02 |
| timsim | NONE | 17:02 |
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| timsim | #topic Bug Triage | 17:02 |
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| timsim | wow, I don't see any new ones | 17:02 |
| mugsie | yeah, I think we hit peak bug | 17:03 |
| timsim | nice | 17:03 |
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| timsim | #topic Stable Backport Triage | 17:03 |
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| timsim | http://paste.openstack.org/show/612573/ | 17:03 |
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| timsim | I don't see anything there worth bp'ing? Anyone else? | 17:04 |
| mugsie | 96a5691 Fix issue with 'priority' value in pool_ns_record ? | 17:04 |
| timsim | That just changes tests, I just had the same thought https://github.com/openstack/designate/commit/2e474f39bc7ca90e4c019a6bf137c23b9c66dd9e | 17:04 |
| mugsie | nah | 17:05 |
| mugsie | yeah - just checked | 17:05 |
| trungnv_ | yep. | 17:05 |
| timsim | Alrighty then | 17:05 |
| timsim | #topic Open Discussion | 17:05 |
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| timsim | o/ trungnv_ daidv_ | 17:05 |
| daidv_ | Can I? | 17:05 |
| timsim | sure | 17:05 |
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| daidv_ | as u know, we have completed OVO migration for Designate | 17:06 |
| daidv_ | :D | 17:06 |
| trungnv_ | all PS about OVO: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/designate+branch:master+topic:OVO | 17:06 |
| trungnv_ | last time, I had discuss with mugsie about them. | 17:06 |
| trungnv_ | Did you test them? | 17:06 |
| mugsie | yeah - I need to do manual testing | 17:07 |
| mugsie | I have not had a chance this week | 17:07 |
| mugsie | but they look promissing | 17:07 |
| trungnv_ | yep. Do you have comments at the moment for us? | 17:07 |
| mugsie | not yet | 17:07 |
| trungnv_ | yeap. | 17:08 |
| timsim | FWIW, the kind of manual testing we'll be doing is basically exercising every API call that we possibly can, errors, regular calls, things that the functional tests do, and verifying that nothing has changed. | 17:09 |
| timsim | Basically trying to break it | 17:09 |
| timsim | If you all would like to do that, it would be welcome | 17:09 |
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| timsim | The other question I had is about the actual migration stuff. Have you documented what a zero-downtime migration with this new stuff looks like? Or is it not ready for that yet? | 17:09 |
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| trungnv_ | we are implementing for rolling-upgrade at the moment. | 17:11 |
| daidv_ | not yet. | 17:11 |
| trungnv_ | if can, we will perform zero-downtime migration in the next time. | 17:12 |
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| mugsie | yeah - that will be more complex | 17:14 |
| mugsie | you will need to look at minidns | 17:14 |
| mugsie | as it does not use object | 17:14 |
| mugsie | s | 17:14 |
| mugsie | it uses hand crafted SQL | 17:14 |
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| mugsie | so, any updates may cause major issues there | 17:14 |
| trungnv_ | sure. a lot of things need for zero-downtime solution in Designate project. | 17:15 |
| trungnv_ | Now we just want to focus rolling-upgrade and OVO are things very importance now. | 17:15 |
| timsim | Alright fair enough. | 17:16 |
| timsim | Anything else folks want to talk about? | 17:16 |
| timsim | Besides mugsie and timsim to review things please :) | 17:16 |
| trungnv_ | yep. | 17:16 |
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| trungnv_ | I want to discuss about my idea for genconfig and centralize config | 17:17 |
| trungnv_ | I also discuss with mugsie about them. please give me any responses? | 17:17 |
| trungnv_ | my BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/centralize-config-designate | 17:17 |
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| trungnv_ | and my PS about genconfig: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472770/ | 17:18 |
| trungnv_ | for genconfig, I think both option for user is good solution. | 17:19 |
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| trungnv_ | keep current sample and create full sample in the local. | 17:19 |
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| timsim | Hm. So I guess the value-add is that people can generate a config that has every possible option? | 17:21 |
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| trungnv_ | yep. | 17:21 |
| mugsie | it is - but there is some issues - I have a 1/2 completed revierw | 17:22 |
| mugsie | I will finish that today or tomorrow morngin | 17:22 |
| trungnv_ | mugsie, yeah. thanks | 17:22 |
| trungnv_ | about my BP, any comments for it? | 17:22 |
| trungnv_ | nova, magnum, babican and alot project used them. | 17:23 |
| timsim | It's kinda weird that we have to conf.register everywhere | 17:23 |
| timsim | that's a lot of code for that | 17:23 |
| mugsie | just because nova does something doesn't make it right :) | 17:23 |
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| timsim | ^^^^^^ x 1000 | 17:24 |
| mugsie | I am not sure it is worth time | 17:24 |
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| trungnv_ | yeah. above 1000 line of code. | 17:24 |
| trungnv_ | I and daidv (my co-worker) will spend effort for this BP if you want. | 17:24 |
| mugsie | I personally think it is harder | 17:25 |
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| mugsie | as you have to go look solmewhere completely different for the defined config options | 17:25 |
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| trungnv_ | yep. my PS about genconfig which a part of in centraliz config BP. | 17:27 |
| trungnv_ | I believe we can. | 17:27 |
| timsim | I wonder if there's a way to do it more low-tech, where you just iterate all the modules and look for config options | 17:27 |
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| timsim | and it doesn't have to have all this overhead. | 17:27 |
| mugsie | we dont need to move everything for generation of sample config | 17:28 |
| mugsie | it we just have to tell it where to get config | 17:28 |
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| timsim | hm. ok | 17:29 |
| trungnv_ | I know. but if we have central config then developer work on more easy. | 17:29 |
| mugsie | I dont think so | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | it is more confusing | 17:30 |
| mugsie | we have very little config compared to nova - so there is not a huge advantage | 17:30 |
| daidv_ | I wonder how did they make config reference docs? | 17:31 |
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| daidv_ | May be, sample config is not contain every options but config reference documentation | 17:33 |
| daidv_ | contain most of them. | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | config ref is a good idea | 17:33 |
| trungnv_ | daidv_, we are discussing about centralize config | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | I would like to see that - and that can be included int he docs as well | 17:34 |
| mugsie | I dont think centralised config is a good idea | 17:34 |
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| trungnv_ | mugsie, perhaps I need discuss this idea in the next week? I will look at code-base again. | 17:35 |
| trungnv_ | with genconfig then I think it need for operators. | 17:35 |
| trungnv_ | for some users who need full config. then this is good solution. | 17:36 |
| trungnv_ | I remember, have some guys asked about auto-genconfig in IRC. | 17:36 |
| mugsie | yeah - gen config is different to central config | 17:37 |
| mugsie | I am OK wiht gen config | 17:37 |
| trungnv_ | yep. | 17:38 |
| daidv_ | mgagne, , I have one more things. | 17:38 |
| daidv_ | mugsie, | 17:39 |
| mugsie | sure | 17:39 |
| daidv_ | about TsigKey name format? | 17:39 |
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| mugsie | yeah | 17:39 |
| mugsie | thats a bad one | 17:39 |
| mugsie | we cant chage it - it is a breaking API chnage | 17:39 |
| mugsie | i has to go to just a string | 17:39 |
| trungnv_ | so we cannot validate them. | 17:41 |
| trungnv_ | same like tenant_id. | 17:42 |
| mugsie | yes | 17:42 |
| daidv_ | mugsie, Hm, in near future, we can use string only. But are you comfortable with that? | 17:42 |
| trungnv_ | do you want to change this format in the future? | 17:43 |
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| mugsie | daidv_: I am not happy about it - but we made a mistake and we have to live with it now | 17:46 |
| mugsie | we cannot change the format | 17:46 |
| mugsie | ever | 17:46 |
| mugsie | it is a breaking API change to do that, and we do not make breaking changes | 17:46 |
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| trungnv_ | yeap. a lot of things need changed if this format convert to domainnam. | 17:48 |
| trungnv_ | yeap. a lot of things need changed if this format convert to domainname. | 17:48 |
| daidv_ | Ok, "ever" - worst news. | 17:48 |
| mugsie | yeah - but we do not break things for users | 17:48 |
| daidv_ | yep. | 17:48 |
| daidv_ | mugsie, anyway, did you remember the timeout DEBUG log? | 17:49 |
| trungnv_ | timsim, mugsie some remain PS on Designate need you review. | 17:49 |
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| daidv_ | I'm trying to fix it but still not find out the problem. | 17:49 |
| daidv_ | But I realize one thing that if we use oslo.messaging <= 5.17.1, everything is Ok. | 17:50 |
| trungnv_ | yeah. this is bug which hieulq raised in launchpad. | 17:51 |
| mugsie | daidv_: oh, really? | 17:51 |
| mugsie | humm | 17:51 |
| daidv_ | yep, from oslo.messaging >=5.18.0 , I got many DEBUG log about timeout. | 17:52 |
| mugsie | OK - we need to look at release notes for oslo messgaing, and the code to see what changed | 17:53 |
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| timsim | weird | 17:54 |
| daidv_ | timsim, I also still have no idea on that. | 17:54 |
| daidv_ | As my debuging, we got the same things at | 17:55 |
| timsim | hm. Well, release notes might have a clue, let's hope | 17:55 |
| daidv_ | https://github.com/openstack/designate/blob/master/designate/central/rpcapi.py#L154 | 17:55 |
| daidv_ | for Ocata and master for each time PeriodicGenerateDelayedNotifyTask called | 17:55 |
| daidv_ | timsim, no more information from oslo.messagin releasenotes. | 17:56 |
| timsim | Well, perhaps we can think of something else | 17:56 |
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| timsim | Are we done? We're almost at time | 17:57 |
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| trungnv_ | yep. enough for me. | 17:57 |
| daidv_ | Yep. | 17:57 |
| daidv_ | thanks! | 17:58 |
| timsim | Alright, thanks all, see you in #openstack-dns | 17:58 |
| timsim | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 14 17:58:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| trungnv_ | thanks | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2017/designate.2017-06-14-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2017/designate.2017-06-14-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2017/designate.2017-06-14-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 14 20:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| johnsom | Hi folks | 20:00 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:00 |
| jniesz | Hi | 20:00 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| johnsom | We are heading towards feature freeze Pike-3 July 24th | 20:01 |
| johnsom | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 20:01 |
| xgerman_ | o/ | 20:01 |
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| johnsom | Please keep that in mind. We are in the last stretch of Pike. | 20:01 |
| nmagnezi | p/ | 20:02 |
| nmagnezi | o/ | 20:02 |
| johnsom | Also of note, the TC ran an analysis on project activity | 20:02 |
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| johnsom | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gy1jZ2Xg/ | 20:02 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/9YSc50YgUb | 20:02 |
| johnsom | The link is the full list | 20:02 |
| johnsom | It does show a slow down in contributions to octavia. | 20:03 |
| nmagnezi | OSIC.. :< | 20:03 |
| johnsom | Though it's not as bad as some other projects that are in the 60% drop rang | 20:03 |
| johnsom | Some OSIC, some other contributors moving off working on OpenStack | 20:04 |
| johnsom | Just thought I would share the numbers | 20:04 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, I think OpenStack is really hurting for devs | 20:04 |
| rm_work | really? | 20:04 |
| rm_work | we are + on contributors | 20:04 |
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| johnsom | Yep | 20:04 |
| johnsom | By one | 20:04 |
| rm_work | and yeah only -8% commits merged, but | 20:04 |
| rm_work | that's actually surprising | 20:04 |
| johnsom | Y-o-Y | 20:04 |
| rm_work | because we merged SOOOO much stuff | 20:05 |
| johnsom | Yeah, the numbers are probably a bit skewed due to the point in time the project is at. Early projects are going to have high commit rates | 20:05 |
| johnsom | Also of note, we released 1.0 version of the openstack client plugin package for Octavia v2 API. Nice job! | 20:06 |
| johnsom | Stats, status, and quota are left to do there, but otherwise it should be pretty complete | 20:07 |
| nmagnezi | JudeC, well done! | 20:07 |
| johnsom | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-octaviaclient/1.0.0 | 20:07 |
| JudeC | :) | 20:07 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, super handy to have | 20:07 |
| jniesz | nice | 20:08 |
| johnsom | Any other announcements? | 20:08 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 20:08 |
| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports / bugs needing review (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:08 | |
| johnsom | I want to highlight a couple of open specs: | 20:08 |
| johnsom | l3-active-active spec | 20:09 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/453005 | 20:09 |
| johnsom | flavors spec | 20:09 |
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| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/392485 | 20:09 |
| xgerman_ | reviewed both | 20:09 |
| xgerman_ | have some q in OpenQ | 20:09 |
| johnsom | These both could use more reviews (credit to xgerman_ for his recent review comments) | 20:09 |
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| m-greene | reviewing flavors today | 20:10 |
| jniesz | yes, thanks for the input | 20:10 |
| johnsom | As for progress updates, I jumped into finishing the RBAC implementation for the Octavia v2 API | 20:10 |
| rm_work | i've been making a personal push towards better work/life balance recently... so, i haven't been able to get to those big specs yet :( | 20:10 |
| johnsom | I am making decent progress. I do have a discussion item for later in the meeting on the policies. | 20:11 |
| johnsom | I will also be getting back to finishing the api-ref. I have the l7 apis and quotas to finish | 20:11 |
| johnsom | #link https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/load-balancer/ | 20:12 |
| johnsom | In case you have not seen the new api reference docs | 20:12 |
| johnsom | Any other updates? | 20:12 |
| johnsom | #topic Discuss RBAC policies | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss RBAC policies (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:13 | |
| xgerman_ | I think we are in a spot where we can start reviewing the octavia-proxy in lbaasv2 | 20:13 |
| xgerman_ | (if we load it on top jude’s filter stuff) | 20:13 |
| johnsom | Ok, quick question for the team. Most projects have simple "admin or owner" policies defined. | 20:13 |
| johnsom | xgerman_ Cool, need to find time to check that out and review the filters again | 20:13 |
| xgerman_ | thx | 20:14 |
| johnsom | Nova team has proposed making this a bit more granular | 20:14 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427872/19/specs/pike/approved/additional-default-policy-roles.rst | 20:14 |
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| johnsom | Interesting parts start around line 144 | 20:14 |
| johnsom | Basically instead of just Admin/not admin they are proposing a "observer" or read-only policy level | 20:15 |
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| johnsom | It would also mean the project would have project specific roles that could be loaded up into keystone. | 20:15 |
| johnsom | "load-balancer_observer" for example. | 20:16 |
| johnsom | Thoughts on this? | 20:16 |
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| johnsom | Or, should we just follow most other projects and have simple "admin_or_owner" style rules | 20:17 |
| johnsom | ? | 20:17 |
| johnsom | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/72/472872/7/check/gate-octavia-docs-ubuntu-xenial/68c5715//doc/build/html/main/policy.html | 20:18 |
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| johnsom | That is part of my WIP patch. I have only done LBs so far | 20:18 |
| rm_work | johnsom: i think the observer stuff is standard? | 20:19 |
| rm_work | i have seen it a lot | 20:19 |
| rm_work | at least in barbican | 20:19 |
| rm_work | but maybe barbican's model is non-standard | 20:19 |
| rm_work | https://github.com/openstack/barbican/blob/master/etc/barbican/policy.json | 20:19 |
| johnsom | Right, this is OpenStack, standard has 50 meanings... Grin | 20:19 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:20 |
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| johnsom | No comments? | 20:21 |
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| xgerman_ | I think I like what nova is doing | 20:22 |
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| johnsom | Cool, thanks for the input | 20:22 |
| jniesz | I think having read only makes sense | 20:22 |
| jniesz | if you want to only give visibility and not any other access | 20:22 |
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| johnsom | nmagnezi Any comments from a packager? | 20:23 |
| nmagnezi | johnsom, mmm.. i'll have to look more about this before I can comment. sorry :\ | 20:24 |
| johnsom | Ok | 20:24 |
| johnsom | Well, I might head down the path that nova is proposing because I kind of like it too. If you have comments please put them on the patch (sooner would be nice, grin). | 20:25 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472872/ | 20:25 |
| johnsom | I think it gives more flexibility to the operator | 20:25 |
| johnsom | Which I am always of fan of empowering the operators | 20:26 |
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| johnsom | #topic jsonschema blueprint | 20:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "jsonschema blueprint (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:26 | |
| johnsom | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/octavia/+spec/jsonschema-api-validation | 20:26 |
| johnsom | We brought this up last week | 20:26 |
| johnsom | It is a proposal for an alternative to WSME. | 20:26 |
| johnsom | Any new comments? Did people have time to investigate? | 20:27 |
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| rm_work | i still like voluptuous | 20:28 |
| rm_work | but don't have any other comments besides "this is suuuuper low priority" | 20:28 |
| johnsom | Can you comment to that blueprint you feelings? | 20:28 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I am kind of in the "Is this necessary now" camp | 20:28 |
| rm_work | there's definitely issues with the WSME stuff (especially that I ran into around single-create) but it's already been worked around, so | 20:28 |
| rm_work | if someone wants to contribute that work, and would otherwise not work on octavia at all, then go for it :P | 20:29 |
| rm_work | but if you're going to do SOMETHING on octavia, please don't do that | 20:29 |
| johnsom | Yeah, it also has some strangeness with exception handling, but it seems to *work* | 20:29 |
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| johnsom | Ok, let's capture comments there and move on | 20:29 |
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| johnsom | #topic Proposal to move Octavia to storyboard | 20:30 |
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| johnsom | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/ | 20:30 |
| johnsom | Another carry over from last week. | 20:30 |
| johnsom | I looked at this a bit. Folks that have used it seem to think there are still some issues to be worked out. | 20:30 |
| nmagnezi | i asked a team mate who work on neutron about this | 20:31 |
| nmagnezi | he was not too familiar with it | 20:31 |
| nmagnezi | just replied that he does not understand the justification | 20:31 |
| johnsom | I think we should delay this to Queens-1 at the earliest as I think we have more important things to work on and I don't want to disrupt the Pike release. | 20:31 |
| nmagnezi | so.. not a lot of info there.. | 20:31 |
| nmagnezi | yeah, sounds like a good call | 20:32 |
| johnsom | It's a migration, unknown gotchas, and learning a new tool, so.... | 20:32 |
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| nmagnezi | and overall it would be nice to see feedback from projects who already migrated.. see how is it working for them | 20:32 |
| johnsom | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/list | 20:33 |
| johnsom | It's a short list | 20:33 |
| johnsom | Oh, nevermind, the scroller is in the corner. | 20:33 |
| johnsom | It must be all projects loaded | 20:33 |
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| johnsom | The one plus is I guess it doesn't go out to lunch like launchpad does with bugs that have a lot of people on them. | 20:34 |
| johnsom | That is annoying, but rare | 20:34 |
| nmagnezi | i'm always surprised to discover new names for projects in openstack.. seem like ppl start a new one every day :) | 20:35 |
| johnsom | Yeah, or they are long forgotten projects... | 20:35 |
| johnsom | Ok, I will reply that we aren't ready to make that move in Pike | 20:36 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 20:36 |
| nmagnezi | ack. | 20:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:36 | |
| johnsom | Other items today? | 20:36 |
| johnsom | the uwsgi stuff is causing me some headaches with devstack. | 20:36 |
| xgerman_ | oh yeah, I wanted to talk flavor | 20:36 |
| johnsom | I built a fresh VM and the openrc was not configured right for the new keystone URL path. | 20:37 |
| cpuga | o/ | 20:37 |
| johnsom | I also found that last night uwsgi was running 100% cpu | 20:37 |
| johnsom | So, yeah, pains | 20:37 |
| johnsom | xgerman_ Go for it | 20:37 |
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| xgerman_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392485/8/specs/version1/flavors.rst | 20:37 |
| rm_work | oh, logging | 20:38 |
| xgerman_ | so it is propsoed to sye some complex database scheme to store keys and values which are set on flavors | 20:38 |
| rm_work | i wanted to discuss logging | 20:38 |
| cpuga | xgerman: thx for the review | 20:38 |
| johnsom | rm_work ok, that will be next | 20:38 |
| rm_work | also -- aren't most of these done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia?field.searchtext=Align+octavia+api&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=& | 20:38 |
| rm_work | field.has_no_package= | 20:38 |
| rm_work | ugh | 20:38 |
| rm_work | long link | 20:38 |
| xgerman_ | I am a bot worried that is overengineered | 20:39 |
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| cpuga | we could reduce the number of tables, it all depends on what experience we would like to provide to the operator who will be creating the flavors | 20:39 |
| johnsom | rm_work Yeah, I need to go through those and see if we met the criteria to close out | 20:39 |
| xgerman_ | cpuga our original design was just some metadata text field to put the values in | 20:40 |
| xgerman_ | but maybe we should defer until everybody had. a look? | 20:41 |
| m-greene | I would like to see flavors be a self-contained standalone container for key/values, and be potentially FK’ed from any primary lbaas resource, such as listener, pool, healthmonitor. Not just the loadbalancer. | 20:41 |
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| m-greene | as long as the design doesn’t prohibit that as a future enhancement.. | 20:41 |
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| cpuga | the flavor is a framework which could in theory be applied to any compoent | 20:42 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 20:42 |
| m-greene | great | 20:42 |
| johnsom | Hmm, there is a good point here though, with a more structured table we could expose some "discover-ability" about the flavor as opposed to making the operator document that outside of the implementation. | 20:43 |
| m-greene | except for the lb_topology_name field, which seems to be lb specific.. | 20:43 |
| cpuga | I felt the concept of lb_topology would apply to all providers at a minimum with "single" topology support. | 20:43 |
| cpuga | what do you guys think? | 20:43 |
| m-greene | if the flavor was a json schema, it would provide the documentation, and allow ocatvia to perform generic schema validation | 20:43 |
| m-greene | for best user-experience through CLI commands (instant error-checking, instead of delayed FAIL status whenever the provider driver gets around to ACK’ing the request) | 20:44 |
| johnsom | I think to some degree it is up to the provider to interpret the contents of the flavor. | 20:44 |
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| m-greene | I read something in the new spec that made me think it shifted away from json to a more binary structure | 20:45 |
| cpuga | json schema could be submitted as a value | 20:45 |
| m-greene | if the vendor meta-data can still be json then I’m fine | 20:45 |
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| xgerman_ | well, it lays it out as key value | 20:46 |
| xgerman_ | that would be overkill for just some json | 20:46 |
| m-greene | cpuga: is lb_topology a new octavia-ism? | 20:46 |
| johnsom | Yeah, the key, value, thing seems to be contrary to the json schema | 20:47 |
| johnsom | m-greene We have had topology as a configuration setting since Mitaka | 20:47 |
| cpuga | m-greene: lb_topology is an octavia table | 20:47 |
| johnsom | It's for all LBs now, but should be configurable via the flavor instead | 20:47 |
| m-greene | ok- that’s why I don’t recognize it.. our vendor driver is still only neutron_lbaas | 20:48 |
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| m-greene | so then would we care about it once a vendor runs under octavia? or since it allows NULL we can simply ignore the field | 20:48 |
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| johnsom | Ok, I think I want to read through this and comment on the patch. Any other discussion we need on it before we move on to logging? | 20:49 |
| xgerman_ | I am good | 20:49 |
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| xgerman_ | rm_work logiing? | 20:49 |
| rm_work | well, the spec is actually someone else's | 20:49 |
| johnsom | m-greene It might be something that becomes legacy or yeah, is ignored by the providers. | 20:49 |
| rm_work | or ... is it code actually, i forget | 20:50 |
| rm_work | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471682/ | 20:51 |
| rm_work | (or does johnsom have to #link) | 20:51 |
| johnsom | Nope, you can too I think | 20:51 |
| rm_work | the bug: | 20:51 |
| rm_work | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1665069 | 20:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1665069 in octavia "Support of haproxy log aggregation capabilites" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Ganpat Agarwal (gans-developer) | 20:51 |
| johnsom | Yeah, so this has some work to do. | 20:52 |
| rm_work | I was going to recommend we make the logging situation be handled by syslog rather than haproxy, as it's a bit more standard and would allow for a customizable syslog config -- and that also allows for aggregating both log types separately | 20:52 |
| rm_work | but wanted to see other people's opinions | 20:53 |
| johnsom | First, we need to decide how we want to tag them with the LB ID and probably project_id? | 20:53 |
| rm_work | basically, i think going straight to code here was maybe a bit hasty | 20:53 |
| rm_work | though code always appreciated :P | 20:53 |
| xgerman_ | what can people learn form the logs anyway? | 20:53 |
| rm_work | just in this case, I don't know if I agree with the direction so I feel bad if there's effort wasted | 20:53 |
| rm_work | xgerman_: to tell you the truth i don't really know, other than maybe debugging some stuff if your app isn't working right? :/ | 20:54 |
| rm_work | but I know that customers always seem to ask for it | 20:54 |
| xgerman_ | very true - those pesky customers | 20:54 |
| johnsom | Right, they want the per-connection logs to debug messed up deployments | 20:54 |
| jniesz | and auditing | 20:54 |
| xgerman_ | ok, I am with @rm_work and syslog | 20:55 |
| johnsom | I guess I envision bouncing them through the local syslog to allow some limited spooling | 20:55 |
| xgerman_ | but everybody does logging differently and some might want to throw a fluentd on each amphora | 20:55 |
| rm_work | yeah, and i am kinda envisioning a whole [logging] config section, a template path for custom syslog templates, etc | 20:55 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, we will need to setup the log format inside haproxy too | 20:56 |
| xgerman_ | I think this is our action-item | 20:56 |
| rm_work | obviously people are welcome to do their own elements for their own completely custom solution | 20:56 |
| johnsom | Right | 20:56 |
| m-greene | philosophical discussion… is logging for developers to understand bugs coming from operators, or for operators to self-diagnose and use some reference manual to identify remediation? | 20:56 |
| rm_work | yeah, we can expose the haproxy log format as config | 20:56 |
| rm_work | with a reasonable default | 20:56 |
| xgerman_ | m-greene it’s for users debugging their apps — | 20:57 |
| rm_work | m-greene: i think it's for developers to understand bugs coming from developers? | 20:57 |
| johnsom | m-greene We are mostly talking about user visible per-connection logs | 20:57 |
| rm_work | and also maybe statistics stuff for usage? | 20:57 |
| m-greene | in my firewall days, logs are required by certain companies for audit purposes | 20:57 |
| jniesz | in our case it would be for application teams to debug / statistics / analytics | 20:57 |
| m-greene | HIPAA | 20:58 |
| rm_work | ^^ yeah those are the use-cases i've heard | 20:58 |
| xgerman_ | so we should propose/template a format and maybe give a reference (syslog) and leave the rest to the operator | 20:58 |
| rm_work | yep | 20:58 |
| rm_work | though i think syslog will be generic enough to cover 90% of cases | 20:58 |
| johnsom | One case I know this was useful in the past, some idiot used libcurl without configuring it. They were downloading large files over small pipes. By default libcurl closes the connection idle or not after 5 minutes. This log would show the client closed the connection and the LB or server did not fail the connection. | 20:58 |
| rm_work | syslog can send logs basically anywhere these days | 20:58 |
| jaypipes | johnsom: I take great offense at being referred to as small. | 20:59 |
| xgerman_ | well, we also need to account for people wanting to ship certs on the a,mp to secure the communication, etc | 20:59 |
| johnsom | Right, and proxies for syslog are available for the lb-mgmt-net | 20:59 |
| johnsom | jaypipes Ha, no offence intended | 20:59 |
| jaypipes | johnsom: :) j/k | 21:00 |
| xgerman_ | lol | 21:00 |
| m-greene | so octavia needs loging for security audit purposes… also see emergency alerts, utility billin | 21:00 |
| johnsom | Ok, out of time. More discussion in the channel or on the patch..... | 21:00 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-06-14-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| xgerman_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-06-14-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-06-14-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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