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| GeraldK | #startmeeting Promise | 11:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 1 11:01:53 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is GeraldK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Promise)" | 11:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'promise' | 11:01 |
| GeraldK | #chair bertys | 11:01 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: bertys | 11:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: GeraldK bertys | 11:02 |
| GeraldK | #topic Roll call | 11:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: Promise)" | 11:02 | |
| GeraldK | Hi there. Who is here for the Promise meeting? | 11:02 |
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| GeraldK | #endmeeting | 11:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 11:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 11:04:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 11:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/promise/2017/promise.2017-06-01-11.01.html | 11:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/promise/2017/promise.2017-06-01-11.01.txt | 11:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/promise/2017/promise.2017-06-01-11.01.log.html | 11:04 |
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| szaher | #startmeeting freezer | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 1 14:02:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szaher. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:02 |
| szaher | Hello everyone | 14:02 |
| jiaopengju | hi | 14:02 |
| szaher | Please find the meeting agenda here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:03 |
| szaher | Let's wait 5 minutes for people to join :) | 14:03 |
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| szaher | jiaopengju: hi | 14:03 |
| vnogin | hi guys :) | 14:03 |
| szaher | vnogin: Hey Vitaliy | 14:04 |
| vnogin | szaher: hi Saad :) | 14:05 |
| vnogin | szaher: I've added to etherpad question regarding our goals :) | 14:05 |
| szaher | nice :) | 14:05 |
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| szaher | Ok, I hope we can address this one today :) | 14:06 |
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| szaher | Ok, Let's start | 14:11 |
| szaher | ? | 14:11 |
| vnogin | + | 14:12 |
| jiaopengju | + | 14:12 |
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| szaher | #topic Pike uwsgi goal | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike uwsgi goal (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:12 | |
| haad1 | + | 14:13 |
| szaher | we partially aligned with this goal, so I'll be working on it next just to make sure we finished all Pike goals, then I'll update the governance | 14:13 |
| szaher | If anyone wants to help that would be great | 14:14 |
| szaher | anyway, I will keep you posted of the progress of these goals | 14:15 |
| szaher | anyone wants to comment ? | 14:15 |
| szaher | Move on ? | 14:15 |
| vnogin | I think it's partially related to the second issue :) | 14:15 |
| szaher | #topic Decide which blueprints or specs we want to address in the next release cycles | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Decide which blueprints or specs we want to address in the next release cycles (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:16 | |
| vnogin | There is non-zero possibility that we can invest more time and efforts to freezer in near future and we need to decide what exactly needs to be done or improved. Guys, can we try to summarize the most required features now? | 14:16 |
| jiaopengju | ok | 14:16 |
| szaher | vnogin: I think that will be really good to agree on now so we can have a long term plane on what needs to be done and we work on it. | 14:16 |
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| szaher | ofcouse there will be some urgent goals/needs which we can work on it as long as it's not causing any problems to the original plan | 14:17 |
| szaher | but let's list all features that we want to see it in freezer in the near future first | 14:18 |
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| vnogin | szaher: yep, that's exactly what I mean | 14:18 |
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| haad1 | I can provide ansible roles/playbooks for freezer deployment if that is needed | 14:18 |
| szaher | vnogin: We can discuss the long term goals here and then can make an etherpad to write then down | 14:18 |
| vnogin | szaher: cool | 14:19 |
| szaher | haad1: That would be nice | 14:19 |
| haad1 | to integrate it with opestack-ansible-freezer | 14:19 |
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| szaher | vnogin: I think the etherpad with +1 and -1 would be easier to know who wants to have what when ;) | 14:19 |
| vnogin | haad1: awesome. We are going to start activity in OSA | 14:19 |
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| szaher | haad1: I'm working on a commit which will land in couple of hours, hopefully less to open two repos for freezer-ansible (ansible-role-os_freezer, ansible-role-os_freezer-api) | 14:20 |
| szaher | haad1: where are you based ? | 14:20 |
| vnogin | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/freezer/ do we have everything that we need here? | 14:20 |
| vnogin | or maybe we forgot something? | 14:21 |
| haad1 | Slovakia | 14:21 |
| szaher | vnogin: nope | 14:21 |
| haad1 | that's GMT+! | 14:21 |
| haad1 | CET | 14:21 |
| szaher | haad1: nice :) like Ireland that nice | 14:21 |
| haad1 | yeah | 14:21 |
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| szaher | vnogin: the launchpad is outdated, I working slowly on cleaning it so we can have what we really need and may some ideas that we want to discuss later in the launchpad | 14:23 |
| haad1 | szaher: I have 3 roles (agent, api, ui) | 14:23 |
| szaher | haad1: Make sense so I need to include the UI as well :) | 14:24 |
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| haad1 | Would you like to see them | 14:25 |
| vnogin | szaher: ceph, api-v2, mysql migration (oslo), ansible roles, multi-DC DR - it seems very required features | 14:25 |
| vnogin | szaher: and DOCS!!!! :))) | 14:25 |
| haad1 | they do not have proper OSA structure but might be useful for you | 14:25 |
| haad1 | yeah docs would be great :) | 14:25 |
| szaher | vnogin: +11111111111 | 14:26 |
| vnogin | haad1: frankly I think it's good idea to use OSA structure because it's really awesome :) | 14:26 |
| jiaopengju | vnogin: ceph do you mean s3 support? | 14:26 |
| szaher | haad1: that's cool | 14:26 |
| slashme | vnogin: +1 on all of that | 14:26 |
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| vnogin | jiaopengju: i mean everything related to ceph support (s3 as well) | 14:26 |
| haad1 | vnogin: I have soem troubles with it but it works so I'm not complaining | 14:27 |
| jiaopengju | vnogin: get it, thanks | 14:27 |
| vnogin | haad1: no-no :) it's really cool :) and I want to review your roles if possible ))) | 14:27 |
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| vnogin | so if don't have BP or specs for the above mentioned features we need to create them | 14:28 |
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| vnogin | I've created for ansible, and as far as I remember Dima S. created for oslo | 14:29 |
| vnogin | szaher: also there is DR spec in merge conflict | 14:29 |
| szaher | vnogin: :D | 14:29 |
| szaher | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Freezer-brainstorming take a look at this one | 14:30 |
| vnogin | szaher: and -1 from my side :)) LOL))) | 14:30 |
| szaher | the brainstorming that we did for boston summit | 14:30 |
| vnogin | yep, I remember it | 14:30 |
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| vnogin | ok, where we are going to collect all info and set -+1 | 14:32 |
| szaher | well, what about #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer-roadmap | 14:33 |
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| szaher | Guys please take a look at it https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer-roadmap and list all features that you think it will help freezer | 14:37 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: I think the discussion also included the s3 driver support, right ? | 14:38 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: yes | 14:38 |
| szaher | Cool! | 14:39 |
| szaher | haad1: What's your availability to contribute to freezer ? | 14:39 |
| szaher | haad1: I mean the ansible part | 14:39 |
| haad1 | we are going to have it in production so I'm willing to help | 14:39 |
| szaher | and ofcourse any other part if you want to :) | 14:39 |
| haad1 | and contribute | 14:40 |
| szaher | haad1: That's great, are you using it in private cloud or public ? | 14:40 |
| haad1 | semi public | 14:41 |
| szaher | haad1: :) OK | 14:41 |
| vnogin | haad1: do you DR as well or only backup/restore? | 14:41 |
| haad1 | For now only backup/restore | 14:42 |
| szaher | haad1: Could you post your usecase to OpenStack ? | 14:42 |
| szaher | haad1: which release ? | 14:42 |
| haad1 | Ocata | 14:42 |
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| jiaopengju | szaher: I found the design status of bp(s3-driver-support) is 'Discussion'. And I have wroted a specs documentation about it. Should I start the function realization? | 14:43 |
| vnogin | jiaopengju: where is spec now? | 14:43 |
| haad1 | For us freezer is part of added value for our users they can backup their vms/data etc with it on our cloud | 14:43 |
| haad1 | and do not need to setup their own solution | 14:44 |
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| vnogin | haad1: storage backend? | 14:44 |
| haad1 | swift for us | 14:44 |
| jiaopengju | vnogin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469791/2 | 14:44 |
| vnogin | haad1: cool, thanks | 14:44 |
| haad1 | but customer can chose any other for their own backends | 14:44 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: gonna update it :) | 14:44 |
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| vnogin | jiaopengju: I'll review it later, tnx | 14:44 |
| jiaopengju | thanks | 14:45 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: I mean the blueprint not the specs :) | 14:45 |
| vnogin | jiaopengju: -1 from jenkins :) | 14:45 |
| haad1 | szaher: but we have one use case where we would like to use isilon provided swift storage | 14:45 |
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| haad1 | but that doesn't support swift api > 1 | 14:45 |
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| haad1 | so it might require it's own storage backend | 14:46 |
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| szaher | haad1: hmmm, Can you explain more about it ? | 14:47 |
| jiaopengju | vnogin: I will update it later | 14:47 |
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| vnogin | jiaopengju: cool, tnx | 14:48 |
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| szaher | Guys, we are running out of time, anyone wants to add anything before we close the meeting ? | 14:52 |
| vnogin | please add BP or scep link to the doc | 14:53 |
| vnogin | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer-roadmap | 14:53 |
| haad1 | so isilion is a emc based storage array which supports swift v1 api to store files on it | 14:54 |
| vnogin | scep=spec | 14:54 |
| szaher | vnogin: for every feature you mean ? | 14:54 |
| vnogin | szaher: yep, if we have them | 14:54 |
| haad1 | you can configure it in a way that then you can use swift api to upload files it to it | 14:54 |
| szaher | vnogin: Cool! | 14:55 |
| haad1 | but it's not part of openstack instalation there for it doesn't have keystone and it only supports swift v1 api | 14:55 |
| szaher | haad1: Nice :), there is not other way to implement a driver directly for your storage ? | 14:56 |
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| haad1 | szaher: what do you mean by other way | 14:56 |
| szaher | haad1: have a dedicated driver for this storage | 14:56 |
| szaher | we are running out of time guys :(, let | 14:57 |
| szaher | let's continue the discussion in freezer room, OK ? | 14:57 |
| jiaopengju | + | 14:57 |
| szaher | Ok, Thanks everyone :) | 14:58 |
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| vnogin | thanks guys for yout time | 14:58 |
| vnogin | please review roadmap :)) | 14:58 |
| szaher | Ok... | 14:59 |
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| szaher | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 14:59:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-06-01-14.02.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-06-01-14.02.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-06-01-14.02.log.html | 14:59 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 1 15:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| markstur | hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | welcome back tbarron | 15:00 |
| tbarron | thanks | 15:00 |
| zhongjun | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| bswartz | The Pike-2 milestone is NEXT WEEK | 15:01 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 15:01 |
| xyang2 | hi | 15:01 |
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| tbarron | https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html#p-manila-nddeadline | 15:01 |
| bswartz | Also the new driver submission deadline is next week | 15:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | new drivers must be in by Monday | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | the milestone will probably get cut wednesday or thursday | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | with CI? | 15:02 |
| bswartz | yes | 15:02 |
| tbarron | "New drivers must be substantially complete, with unit tests, and passing 3rd party CI by this date. Drivers do not need to be merged until the feature freeze date, but drivers that don’t meet this deadline will not be considered at all for Pike." | 15:02 |
| bswartz | passing 3rd party CI by Monday 23:59 UTC | 15:03 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: is there an etherpad that lists all the new drivers | 15:03 |
| zhongjun | A keeping stable success CI? | 15:03 |
| tbarron | let's hope there's not another setuptools breakage ... | 15:03 |
| bswartz | xyang2: I'm not keeping a list | 15:03 |
| bswartz | after the deadline we will want to track the new driver submissions that met the deadline to make sure they get review attention | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun: the longer the record of success the better | 15:04 |
| bswartz | however the main requirement is that it passed once before the deadlnie | 15:05 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: ok, get it | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | there's only one topic today, one I added | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #topic Share groups + UI | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Share groups + UI (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:06 | |
| bswartz | I wanted to call attention to this feature that vponomaryov has been working on and I've been reviewing | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468899 | 15:06 |
| bswartz | some of the UI patches that the share groups work depends on look like they're VERY LARGE but they're actually not | 15:07 |
| bswartz | most of the changed lines are due to file renames or splitting up files | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I would encourage reviewers to download the patches and try them out | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | late o/ | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | (the UI patches that is) | 15:07 |
| * bswartz marks gouthamr tardy | 15:07 | |
| gouthamr | :P | 15:08 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: I will | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | so there's nothing in particular to discuss about this feature other than that I'd like to get it in before Pike-2 | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I've been reviewing all of the patches, just need to add my votes | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | does anyone else have something we need to discuss? | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | i've one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369749 | 15:10 |
| bswartz | oh I just remembered something | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | "Add Queens goal split out tempest plugins" | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | some of us have reviewed that goal | 15:10 |
| bswartz | yeah they were discussing in the ML that they might drop that goal in favor of a goal that actually benefited end users | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | and bswartz has the only -1 on that patch.. when/what is our strategy to talking that | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | oh | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | either way the plugin split will happen eventually | 15:11 |
| tbarron | agree | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I'm decidedly lukewarm about it | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | but my point was something else though.. i wanted to bring up the split to tackle the other problem of pinning tempest | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | i'd like to unpin | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | (gosh) | 15:12 |
| bswartz | well IMO the big benefit of the split will be to make packager's lives less annoying | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: why then you started with link to split plugins out of project repos when your question is about manila-specific thing? | 15:12 |
| bswartz | IDK if there's alraedy a manila-tempest-plugin.rpm file out there | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: and we did agree on criteria that should be satisfied before doing unpin | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: because if we wanted to make progress on that, our tempest plugin would not be branched, and we'd have to work with tempest at head | 15:13 |
| tbarron | in our distro we already split manila-tempest from other manila packages fwiw | 15:13 |
| bswartz | tbarron: where is the rpmspec for that? do you have a link handy? | 15:13 |
| tbarron | bswartz: i can chase it down for you | 15:14 |
| bswartz | ty | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | it's been a while since we were broken with tempest changes... and these days, we're more likely to break because some other plugin in the environment depended on code from tempest at master | 15:14 |
| bswartz | okay let me jump back to the topic I remembered | 15:14 |
| zhongjun | tbarron: Do you mean manila-tempest-test dir in manila project? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I noticed in the share groups UI, several places in the existing and the new tables we just display UUID for objects, even if they have names | 15:15 |
| tbarron | zhongjun: no, we were talking about rpms in downstream distros i think | 15:15 |
| tbarron | zhongjun: like in RDO for example | 15:16 |
| zhongjun | tbarron: ok, nice to see your link | 15:16 |
| bswartz | IMO in a GUI it's always better to show the name instead of the UUID if it exists -- unfortunately many of our REST APIs don't supply the names unless you do individual API calls for each object | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: ah, so pinning tempest doesn't matter to you/ | 15:16 |
| tbarron | bswartz: name and uuid to handle duplicate names? | 15:16 |
| bswartz | so I'd like to propose an effort to go add names everywhere in the API so the UI can display them efficiently | 15:17 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: on the contrary, it's a pain for any distro b/c it will ship with tempest at latest at the time of shipping. | 15:17 |
| bswartz | tbarron: the hyperlinks would always be UUID-based, but the display string should be the name only IMO | 15:17 |
| raissa | gouthamr: it matters and we're looking forward to unpinning | 15:17 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: not with whatever manila was pinned to | 15:17 |
| tbarron | raissa++ | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: sure.. that's why i'd like to unpin ourselves right away | 15:18 |
| raissa | our rpm is python-manila-tests | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | raissa: have a link to the rpmspec for it? | 15:18 |
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| tbarron | everyone meet raissa, an excellent QA/QE now working in manila! | 15:18 |
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| gouthamr | hey raissa | 15:19 |
| bswartz | welcome raissa! | 15:19 |
| ganso | raissa: welcome! | 15:19 |
| raissa | hi, thanks :) | 15:19 |
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| raissa | I'm new to manila, so getting the hang of it, let me try to find it | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | i think we'd make raissa's work .0001% easy if we stopped relying on tempest off a particular commit.. | 15:20 |
| zhongjun | raissa: welcome! | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | i particularly hated having to qualify manila at liberty | 15:20 |
| bswartz | tbarron: do we need to discuss anything related to the ensure_share access rules stuff we were discussion here with the larger group? | 15:20 |
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| raissa | https://github.com/rdo-packages/manila-distgit/blob/41e84c8cffe4286457718b828d9fe3882a6945be/openstack-manila.spec | 15:21 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I think we had general agreement that ensure share should provide a way to push a refresh of access rules to the backend | 15:21 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: and (1) it should be triggered only by explicit backend signal | 15:21 |
| tbarron | (2) exact mechanisms can be worked out in the review of the ensure access stuff - zhongjun has started posting them now | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | that's a lot of code in that spec file | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I'll have to take a closer look later on | 15:22 |
| tbarron | bswartz: fwiw I don't want to plan on that as main solution for our backend failover, but that's evolving | 15:22 |
| bswartz | tbarron: okay | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | alright anything else for today? | 15:24 |
| tbarron | zhongjun: | 15:24 |
| zhongjun | tbarron:? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I think that's it | 15:24 |
| tbarron | zhongjun: would you explain what you are proposing with uwsgi comaparing with what vponomaryov did? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | unless tbarron has something | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: it is support of 2 different web servers | 15:25 |
| zhongjun | that is government requriment | 15:25 |
| zhongjun | requirement | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: I did only Apache + mod_wsgi support | 15:25 |
| zhongjun | tbarron: yes, we need to support both of them | 15:26 |
| bswartz | this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469389/ | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | yes | 15:26 |
| tbarron | zhongjun: with yours do we also have the issue that (1) sytemctl commands don't work for api service, and (2) | 15:26 |
| tbarron | the old journalctl commands don't work for api service? | 15:26 |
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| tbarron | vponomaryov: those issues aren't manila specific, they are for all projects that move to apache run api service ... | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I see some abuse of the trueorfalse function in this patch | 15:27 |
| * tbarron doesn't like it that operators are goiing to do 'systemctl restart httpd' and hit all api services and horizon at once. | 15:28 | |
| zhongjun | tbarron: It is work for api service. | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: no one forces you to use web servers | 15:28 |
| tbarron | They can send a signal to *one* of the apache processes instead, but there will be mistakes. | 15:28 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: agree, and this isn't a complaint about your work in any way. | 15:29 |
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| zhongjun | baswartz: this patch still need to update again | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: I didn't resist, I meant that old approach is not dropped, why worry? | 15:29 |
| bswartz | yeah | 15:29 |
| tbarron | I'm just curious whether the alternate web server solution zhongjun is setting up has the same issue. | 15:29 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: I worry b/c I support end users :) | 15:30 |
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| vponomaryov | tbarron: it is not users problem, it is cloud admin problem ) | 15:30 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I thought the TC was driving this goal on behalf of real users who wanted to do it with apache/nginx | 15:30 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: I support cloud admins :) | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | ok ) | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: but don't you have HA for API services? | 15:31 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yeah, my worry is that it's driven in large part by a developer goal (which I share) to avoid eventlet | 15:31 |
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| tbarron | but that cloud operators may be surprised. If they are the ones asking for this, then great. | 15:32 |
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| tbarron | vponomaryov: having HA and wanting to exercise it by surprise are different things :) | 15:32 |
| bswartz | the justifications I heard were to avoid having 15 different ports open for the different APIs | 15:32 |
| tbarron | ok, I'll try out the other web server. | 15:32 |
| bswartz | and the improved performance of a real webserver instead of a bunch of different python httpd implementations | 15:33 |
| bswartz | I didn't realize that avoidable of eventlet was possible with this scheme but that makes me like it even more | 15:33 |
| bswartz | s/avoidable/avoidance/ | 15:33 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yeah, as a developer I like it. | 15:33 |
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| tbarron | it's just a pain to have to use different commands to restart services and look at logs for the api services | 15:34 |
| bswartz | tbarron: systemd should make the log handling very easy | 15:35 |
| * tbarron expressed himself ... | 15:35 | |
| bswartz | systemd has its detractors but it's the future | 15:35 |
| * bswartz channels Dr Strangelove | 15:36 | |
| bswartz | okay now we're really done | 15:36 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:36 |
| * jungleboyj is still trying to figure out how to make good use of it. | 15:36 | |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 15:36:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-06-01-15.00.html | 15:36 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-06-01-15.00.txt | 15:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-06-01-15.00.log.html | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Systemd | 15:37 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 1 17:00:53 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
| lhinds | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | #chair lhinds | 17:01 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:01 |
| asettle | o/ | 17:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei lhinds | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Hey all! | 17:01 |
| vds | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:01 |
| mdong | hey! | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | I'll see if I can rustle-up sicarie. | 17:01 |
| browne | o/ | 17:01 |
| lhinds | a few more this week, that's good. | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | heh | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | ok, the agenda is up in the normal place | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | So while I see if we can find capnoday and sicarie check out the agenda | 17:04 |
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| asettle | hyakuhei: any chance we could scoot the docs up? I'm sorry, I gotta run :( | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | It is pretty much top | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Team commitments | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Team commitments (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:05 | |
| asettle | Ah, "at risk" I see :) | 17:05 |
| asettle | I just saw "secuirty docs" | 17:05 |
| asettle | .... ugh | 17:05 |
| asettle | security* | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Heh yeah sorry, we have a standing update for docs too | 17:05 |
| asettle | Love it :D | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, the team has gone through some shrinkage recently, not just because of OSIC but the general (apparent) contraction of $corp investment at the moment | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | welcome tkelsey | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Because of this we need to do a few things. | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Work out what we can support with our current capacity | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | and work out what is at risk if we don't find more people to help | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | One area we've struggled with (even with stronger numbers) is keeping the security docs up to doate | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | *date | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | asettle has been helping tremendously with a planned reboot of the docs | 17:07 |
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| asettle | o/ | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | but that was pre-OSIC | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | asettle want to explain more ? | 17:07 |
| asettle | TL;DR I was a part of the OSIC fallout. As a result of that, I am continuing my employment at Rackspace but I am no longer working on OpenStack. I have been advised I can finalise my tenure as PTL for OpenStack docs, but then I am to step down. | 17:08 |
| asettle | So, my top priority right now is sorting out what load we do have, and figuring out future plans for everything | 17:08 |
| asettle | Similar to waht you guys are doing | 17:08 |
| asettle | The security-doc has always lived out of the openstack-manuals tree, and has been in part managed by us, and in part managed by teh security team | 17:08 |
| asettle | I know you also have a diminishing team, I am thinking that we potentially halt all development work on the Security Guide, and “stamp” an EOL date on the guide in the Abstract. Something like, “This was last updated as of $DATE and $RELEASE and may contain some out of date information.” | 17:09 |
| asettle | Thoughts? I know it’s a bit of a band aid solution, but I am admittedly running out of ideas on how to make sure we’re not leading our users astray, but also keeping a maintainable workload. | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | I would prefer to have a way to avoid this but currently I don't see any other avenues | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Without recruiting significant numbers | 17:10 |
| lhinds | sounds a resonable approach to me. Did we lose the sec core who was working on reviewing sec docs? | 17:10 |
| asettle | Which, like, I'm sure we would do first. And have been doing. | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | +1 at least it is clear to readers that this is on hold etc, nothing worse than stale docs | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | (the act of onboarding new contributors will itself cut into our available resource for a while) | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey +1 | 17:10 |
| dhellmann | asettle : should we move the guide into its own repo? or leave it where it is for now? | 17:11 |
| lhinds | Nathaniel Dillon? | 17:11 |
| asettle | dhellmann: it is in its own repo :) | 17:11 |
| dhellmann | ah, good | 17:11 |
| asettle | lhinds: that's the one, I haven't heard from him for *quite* a while | 17:11 |
| dhellmann | I can't keep up with which are in the manuals repo and which are on their own | 17:11 |
| asettle | dhellmann: dude tell me about it | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Nathaniel Dillon = sicarie | 17:11 |
| vds | I'm still pretty new here, I know it's not easy, but if there's a way to get a defined task, I'd be very happy to help. In general, having clear tasks is very helpful to onboard new people. | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | He's involved on a best effort / spare time basis | 17:12 |
| asettle | Ah, hyakuhei that explains a lot. I did not konw. | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks vds | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | Generally speaking we like to get new people working on OSSNs while they get used to the various processes/people | 17:12 |
| asettle | But that aside, it might be helpful if someone could do a quick review of the guide, and just give a best effort guess of when it was last updated | 17:12 |
| lhinds | I can care take alongside vds too. | 17:12 |
| lhinds | one thing, we always used docs people to +1 workflow, is that still the case? | 17:12 |
| lhinds | (or rather will be it be case going forward)? | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | That's always been a useful arrangement | 17:13 |
| asettle | lhinds: I don't believe it has to be. It was useful, though | 17:13 |
| lhinds | So I will make a concerted effort to browse new patches each day and help get those in limbo through. | 17:14 |
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| asettle | That's really helpful, thank you lhinds :) | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | thank you lhinds | 17:14 |
| lhinds | mp | 17:14 |
| asettle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/security-doc+status:open | 17:14 |
| asettle | Seems like we still got Dave's patch up | 17:14 |
| asettle | I have a review on that one | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, so it looks like lhinds is going to help stabilize what's there and perhaps vds/lhinds can help to work out how "current" the current guide is... | 17:15 |
| asettle | Awesome :D thanks lhinds and vds :) | 17:15 |
| lhinds | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451965/ | 17:15 |
| vds | thx! | 17:15 |
| asettle | #link https://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/ | 17:15 |
| asettle | Should be an awesome read | 17:15 |
| asettle | ;) | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Happy with the progress here, thank you vds lhinds asettle | 17:16 |
| bsilverman_ | asettle: sorry I missed the meeting, had a fire to put out that had all my attention. No issues with bug triage | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Next up in the "at risk" category is Security Review | 17:16 |
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| asettle | bsilverman_: thanks - i'll ping you on our chan | 17:16 |
| asettle | THanks hyakuhei :) i gotta run o/ | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Generally we wanted to have this in place to support the VMT | 17:16 |
| bsilverman_ | ok | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | TY asettle | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Talking with fungi at the summit I explained that we might not be able to deliver what we wanted | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | but the indication was that it might only be once per cycle | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | So we might be able to manage that | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | basically we won't have a fully formalized process though | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | because we can't invest in it | 17:18 |
| fungi | i think that's still a perfectly useful cadence | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | We can continue to have security architects like myself, doug and anyone else who's in a similar position spend time to look at services on a more adhoc basis | 17:19 |
| fungi | so far we've i think accepted one new deliverable in the past year | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | I wanted it to be much slicker. | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | the other at-risk item is Anchor | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | I know it gets used in a few places some doing OpenStack Clouds, others not | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | Support there has really dropped to a best-effort too | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey browne thoughts? | 17:21 |
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| tkelsey | yeah, its not seen a lot of love in recent months. I guess a best effort is all its ever had for a while now | 17:21 |
| browne | yeah, i know Anchor needs some work, since not even the requirements.txt can be updated anymore | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Yup | 17:22 |
| browne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438424/ | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | So we need to decide what to do there, we could have a sprint to tidy it all up then move it into a more stable/maintenance mode | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Whatever we are doing we need to formalize it | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | that would be ideal, but finding cycles is hard | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Agreed | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Can't figure it out now but we need to work it out. | 17:24 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, we need to move along | 17:24 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Do we think we can continue to maintain and develop/deliver OSSN Bandit Syntribos | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | mdong michaelxin lhinds tkelsey browne | 17:25 |
| lhinds | OSSN is fine. | 17:25 |
| browne | i've been slowly maintaining Bandit, but it definitely needs more contributors | 17:25 |
| mdong | on syntribos: we’ve been using it internally to test some rackspace projects | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | im not sure how much work Bandit needs, just keeping ontop of updates and adding in new tests as people make them | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | I thought so but wanted to confirm lhinds :) | 17:26 |
| browne | Bandit is mostly stable, maintenance | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | browne: +1, I know I have dropped the ball my end, I'll try and look in on it more often | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | browne we know a few companies outside of OpenStack are using Bandit, I wonder if we can get them to contribute. | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | ty tkelsey | 17:26 |
| lhinds | browne: do you need people to help maintain or to contribute new features / specs? | 17:26 |
| mdong | as for further development, it’s going to be slow, but we’re still planning on adding new features as they’re needed | 17:26 |
| browne | hyakuhei: that would be nice | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Thank you mdong | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | So no objections to these projects not being on the "at risk" list | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | however we accept some need a bit more time in the sun | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | ? | 17:27 |
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| mdong | I’d agree with that | 17:27 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:27 |
| lhinds | +1 | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | ok moving swiftly on | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | #topic PTG | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Do we want/need a room at the PTG | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | Based on recent contractions I'm not sure | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | We _did_ get lots done at the last PTG... | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Think about it and let me know | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:28 |
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| hyakuhei | Jumping straight to AOB as we're almost out of time | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | I'm out for the next two thursdays (Honeymoon!) | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | lhinds can you hold down the fort/delegate as required please? | 17:29 |
| browne | hyakuhei: congrats! | 17:29 |
| lhinds | hyakuhei: no problem | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Ty :) | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | ok that's time | 17:30 |
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| mdong | grats hyakuhei! | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks all, useful meeting! | 17:30 |
| lhinds | thanks all | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:30 |
| mdong | take care all | 17:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 17:30:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-06-01-17.00.html | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-06-01-17.00.txt | 17:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-06-01-17.00.log.html | 17:30 |
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