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aspiersmorning09:06
samPaspiers: morning09:12
samPsorry I'm late09:12
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dirk#startmeeting requirements10:09
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 19 10:09:55 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.10:09
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.10:09
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'requirements'10:10
dirk#topic roll call10:10
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dirk tonyb, sigmavirus, prometheanfire, number80, dirk, coolsvap, toabctl ping10:10
dirkanyone around?10:10
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toabctlyes10:17
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dirkit seem we're alone, so lets end it here .. :-)10:30
dirk#endmeeting10:30
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"10:30
openstackMeeting ended Wed Apr 19 10:30:21 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)10:30
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-04-19-10.09.html10:30
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-04-19-10.09.txt10:30
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-04-19-10.09.log.html10:30
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zhurong_phone#startmeeting Solum Team Meeting14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 19 14:00:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zhurong_phone. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting'14:00
zhurong_phone#topic Roll call14:01
*** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)"14:01
zhurong_phonelets wait for a minute or two to see if others join14:01
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zhurong_phoneseems no one comes. so I will end the meeting14:08
zhurong_phone#endmeeting14:08
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Swamihi15:00
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haleyb#startmeeting neutron_dvr15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 19 15:00:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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haleyb#chair Swami15:00
openstackCurrent chairs: Swami haleyb15:00
haleyb#topic Announcements15:01
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haleybSummit is fast approaching, May 8th15:01
Swamihaleyb: yep15:01
haleybSwami: guess we need to get that presentation started :)15:02
Swamihaleyb: yes I agree, I will put some time this week to start the google slide deck15:03
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Swamihaleyb: totally swamped with internal bugs and fixes.15:03
haleybSwami: yes, same here15:04
haleyb#topic Bugs15:04
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Swamihaleyb: thanks15:05
SwamiThis week we had two bugs reported.15:05
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/168222815:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1682228 in neutron "can't cross address scopes with DVR " [Undecided,New]15:05
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SwamiI read this bug, but I was not sure about the issue.15:06
haleybSwami: there was a doc review posted that was related, let me find it15:07
SwamiI thought with the dvr fast_path_exit, even if the fixed_ip resides in a different host, the traffic can reach the fixed ip.15:07
Swamihaleyb: yes, the bug is pointing to a devref that states the limitation.15:07
Swamihaleyb: Does it mean should we update the devref or still we have an issue even with the fast-path.15:08
haleybhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/289794/ was the doc review, which i think is correct (it merged the other day)15:09
Swamihaleyb: I don't get it.15:10
haleybi'm re-reading the bug15:13
SwamiYes, this docref holds good, without the fast path exit.15:14
SwamiBut with the fast-path-exit patch this may not be true anymore. That is my understanding.15:14
SwamiBecause we now add rules in the fipnamespace based on the private network address and not based on a specific ip.15:15
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haleybSwami: right, I was a little trigger happy updating that doc based on the current code, we can revert or update once the patch merges15:16
Swamihaleyb: I will read it again and see if it makes sense.15:16
Swamihaleyb: ok thanks.15:17
SwamiOk, let us move on.15:17
haleybperhaps even update in that patch15:17
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/168234515:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1682345 in neutron "neutron metering agent does not work in DVR mode" [Undecided,Confirmed]15:18
SwamiI did review this bug, it seems that we might have to make changes to the metering_rpc_agent_api.py to provide the notification to the specific hosts. Right now it does notify all the agents associated with the router.15:18
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Swamihaleyb: since we don't anymore schedule the router to the agents and only notify the agents to start the router in the specific node.15:19
haleybso it should work?  but can be less invasive by notifying just the correct agents?15:20
SwamiThis seems to be a valid bug, based on the information.15:20
Swamihaleyb: right now what the bug says is it is not getting notified to the compute nodes where the routers are hosted.15:20
SwamiBy default it is getting notified only to the dvr_snat nodes, since they are scheduled.15:21
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haleybhmm, i thought this worked based on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424285/ but could be wrong15:22
haleybbut if you see the problem then there's a bug15:23
Swamihaleyb: Yes this patch fixed the issue of configuring the iptables in the snat namespace and router namespace respectively15:23
Swamihaleyb: But I am not sure about the notification in case of multinode scenario.15:23
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Swamihaleyb: I will re-examine this.15:24
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Swamihaleyb: But for now I have updated the bug.15:24
haleybok, thanks15:24
SwamiThat's all I have for bugs today.15:24
SwamiDo you have any other bugs, if I missed for discussion.15:24
haleybno, i didn't have any others15:25
Swamihaleyb: before we move on to the next section.15:25
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355062/15:25
SwamiI do see that there is a tempest test that is failing with respect to the dual_slaac15:26
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SwamiI am not sure what is going on there. Do you see similar failures in the gate this week.15:26
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SwamiThis is the test that is failing. "test_dualnet_multi_prefix_slaac"15:27
SwamiThis is one of the vulnerable tests for DVR and I thought it was dormant for a while.15:27
SwamiNot sure what is triggering it again.15:28
haleybSwami: that looks like an ongoing issue we've been chasing, even internally, at least I know we've seen ssh failures before15:28
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Swamihaleyb: yes I agree.15:28
Swamithat's all I had for bugs this week.15:29
haleybi'll see if i can find the bug, might be in the c-i recheck list15:29
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haleybdon't see it in http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ i'll look after meeting15:31
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Swamihaleyb: ok thanks15:32
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haleybSwami: this was merged recently to try and diagnose a similar problem, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453334/15:32
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haleybdon't know if that will give more info in the console15:33
Swamihaleyb: ok thanks will take a look at it.15:34
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haleybhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/454892/ is the other one that's in-progress15:34
haleybbut basically, there's not enough debug info to get much further15:35
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Swamihaleyb: Yes the ssh connection timeout is a nightmare and involves multiple projects.15:36
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haleyb#topic Gate15:38
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haleybhttp://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate15:38
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haleybthe DVR job in the gate has been fine this week15:38
haleybthe check jobs are ok, except for the scenario one15:39
Swamihaleyb: that is good news.15:39
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haleybi mean, we can't expect the check queue to be at 0% anyways, as a bad patch is a failure, but the 90% one is showing something, i will look and see if it's just the test15:41
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Swamihaleyb: thanks for the update.15:42
haleyb#topic Stable15:43
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Swamihaleyb: I had a question with respect to backport. Is this one backportable. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283757/15:44
SwamiI knew that we had a doc change for this patch and I am not sure if we can do a backport of this patch.15:45
haleybsince it's an RFE i would think not, since it could consume more IP addresses for the routers15:47
haleybis someone asking for it?15:47
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Swamihaleyb: just checking with you.15:48
SwamiI don't think I have any pending stable/backports at this point. There is one, waiting for jenkins to clear up.15:49
haleybthe neutron dashboard has a nice link to stable branch reviews, https://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/dashboards/index.html15:49
haleybi don't see any DVR ones on the list15:49
Swamihaleyb: ok15:50
haleyb#topic Open Discussion15:51
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haleybAnything else?  I had nothing15:51
Swamihaleyb: Nothing else.15:51
haleybalright, thanks for the updates, we'll get that final fast-exit patch merged soon :)15:52
Swamihaleyb: ok15:52
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haleyb#endmeeting15:52
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Swamihaleyb: Meanwhile I need to push in an updated version to address Olegs comments on the allowed_address_pair patch.15:52
Swamibye15:52
haleybbye15:53
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rkukurahi ML2’ers!16:01
trevormco/16:01
Sukhdev_hello16:02
rkukuradasanind: are you here for ML2 today?16:03
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dasanindrkukura: hi16:04
dasanindSorry I missed the last couple of meetings16:04
rkukuraeverything OK dasanind?16:04
dasanindNo :(16:04
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dasanindAs you all know OSIC is no longer there16:04
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rkukurawas concerned that might impact you16:05
dasanindyeah :(16:05
rkukuraare you coninuing involvement in Neutron/ML2 for the time being?16:06
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rkukuras/coninuing/continuing/16:06
dasanindIt will be difficult to continue with it given the current situation16:07
rkukuradasanind: no need to explain, but please let any of us know if we can be of any help16:07
rkukuralets get started…16:07
rkukuraAnyone else here for ML2 today?16:07
dasanindrkukura: thank you16:07
trevormcrkukura: I am :)16:08
rkukura#startmeeting networking_ml216:08
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 19 16:08:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:08
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2'16:08
rkukuraLooks like we have at least /me, Sukhdev, dasanind, and trevormc16:08
rkukuraAnyone else?16:08
rkukura#topic Agenda16:09
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rkukura#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_April_19.2C_201716:09
rkukuraSimilar agenda to recent meetings.16:09
rkukuraAnyone have anything to add or remove?16:10
rkukuraGuess not…16:10
rkukura#topic Announcements16:10
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rkukuraOnly thing I can think of is that the Boston summit is approaching16:11
rkukuraAny other announcements?16:11
rkukura#topic Bugs/RFEs16:12
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rkukuraAny new (or old) bugs to discuss?16:12
rkukuraOne RFE we should discuss is the one I filed a while back about enforcing extension semantics16:14
rkukura#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/167314216:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1673142 in neutron "[RFE][ML2] Enforce extension semantics" [Wishlist,Confirmed]16:14
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rkukuraSo this is something I would have liked to implement for Pike, but have not had any time available.16:15
rkukuraI’m not sure that will change in the next couple months either, so if there is anyone else interested in picking it up, I’d be happy to discuss it with them in more detail16:15
rkukuraIf not, we can try to figure whether to move forward with it at the Boston summit.16:16
rkukuraAny comments or questions on this one?16:16
Sukhdev_rkukura : I think we should discuss this in Boston - and see the interest level16:17
rkukuraOK, any other RFEs to discuss?16:17
rkukuraSukhdev_: agreed16:17
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rkukura#topic QinQ16:18
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rkukura#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44604716:18
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rkukuratrevormc’s patch seems to be in pretty good shape, with active reviews16:19
trevormci just refactored the patch to re-use the vlan_allocation logic.16:19
rkukuratrevormc: great! Will you be posting that update soon?16:19
trevormcdone16:19
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trevormcthe patch was updated 4 minutes ago :)16:20
rkukurajust look again - thanks!16:20
rkukuraI still have not found time for a detailed review, but I will try in the next day or two16:20
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trevormcare we ok with storing c_tags as a string?16:21
trevormcWe were hoping to put a single c_tag_range in here. <c_tag_min>:<c_tag_max>16:21
rkukuraSukhdev_, I know you’ve looked at this16:21
trevormcThat would be a max of 9 characters, ex 4000-4001. So we can change the string size to 9.16:21
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rkukuratrevormc: I really can’t comment until I review the patch more closely, but I have seen the comments related to these being strings16:22
Sukhdev_trevormc : yes I looked at the previous version and was in the middle of reviewing it now - going over Kevin's comments - which are minot16:22
Sukhdev_minor16:22
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Sukhdev_trevormc : kevinbenton is asking in the comments as to why is it a string and not integer -16:23
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trevormcSukhdev_: I don't see why not.16:24
Sukhdev_trevormc : I will go with integer - they both represent a number -16:25
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trevormcok, do you think I need to add other tests? like fullstack/test_connectivity.py ?16:26
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trevormchere they create scenarios, https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/tests/fullstack/test_connectivity.py#L11116:27
Sukhdev_trevormc : right - it will be a good idea, if you can add to this -16:28
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Sukhdev_trevormc : but, you do not have to do this as part of this patch - that can come as a separate patch16:29
trevormcok seperate patch it is, for easier review :)16:29
rkukuraseems reasonable to me16:29
trevormcor would it be easier if I added them?16:29
Sukhdev_trevormc : I would think it will be optional, but, I will leave it up to you16:30
trevormcok ill try.16:30
rkukurayes, either way seems reasonable16:30
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rkukuraanything else on the QinQ effort?16:30
trevormcno16:30
Sukhdev_trevormc : I do not see QinQ as core functionality like VLANs, etc.. - hence I think it is optional16:31
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Sukhdev_trevormc : tempest tests are necessary though16:31
trevormcok i was thinking about that, I would need a client patch too then.16:32
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Sukhdev_trevormc : do not add anything additional to this patch - keep the patches simpler16:32
rkukuratrevormc: silly question, but is the QinQ type driver all thats needed, or are there other patches adding support to the OVS agent, etc?16:33
trevormcrkukura: not silly at all. I believe there are some required changes in the OVS agent.16:34
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rkukuraso would these be needed for fullstack connectivity tests to succeed?16:34
trevormcprobably. Something like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342755/5/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/openvswitch/agent/ovs_neutron_agent.py16:35
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rkukuraif so, I’d think we need to agent support first16:35
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rkukuraare you planning to implement the agent support?16:35
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trevormcrkukura, I suppose I could. It wasn't planned but i don't think it will require much effort since there is work in the area already16:36
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rkukuraMy memory from discussing this in Atlanta is kind of hazy - was this NFV-specific?16:38
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Sukhdev_trevormc : how are you testing without agent changes? - using some kind of dedicated back-end?16:38
rkukuraOr part of some other effort?16:38
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trevormcrkukura: At AT&T we have a driver that allows us to do QinQ with SR-IOV. To support that we need the QinQ driver first.16:39
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rkukuraOK, forgot this was related to SR-IOV16:39
trevormcSukhdev_: I was not sure what testing is required. I just try to create a network and if it succeeds then it works!16:40
rkukuraIs there any reason generic support in the OVS agent wouldn’t make sense?16:40
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trevormcrkukura: I believe the reason that was not merged is because they wanted a driver like the QinQ one i'm proposing now rather than the generic support.16:41
trevormchttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/342755/516:41
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rkukuraI see16:42
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rkukuraI’d certainly prefer to see the OVS agent support and the fullstack tests eventually implemented16:44
Sukhdev_trevormc : there is more than just create network :-):-) Don't you need to ensure the tagging and encoding/decoding takes place correctly - that is what rkukura was asking I think16:44
rkukuraright16:45
trevormcSukhdev_: yes that's true. The OVS agent should be able to do that. But The code hasn't been released yet.16:46
trevormcto be released in 2.816:46
trevormchttps://github.com/openvswitch/ovs/commit/f0fb825a3785320430686834741c718ff4f8ebf416:46
trevormchttps://github.com/openvswitch/ovs/commit/fed8962aff57f552163ef718cc1b0db582f2295e16:46
rkukuraOK, I was not aware that OVS itself did not yet support QinQ. I guess we can revisit adding support to the openvswitch-agent once OVS 2.8 is available.16:48
trevormcShould be in august16:48
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rkukuraOK, maybe something to discuss in Boston, but seems like we can merge the type driver patch now and deal with fullstack connectivty testing later when the OVS support is there.16:50
rkukuraAnything else on this patch and its followon work?16:50
trevormcThe drivers team did not like the rfe I have for sr-iov16:51
rkukura#topic SR-IOV port extension RFE16:51
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trevormcThey say a lot of what I was asking for can be derived from existing APIs.16:51
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rkukura#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/166265016:52
openstackLaunchpad bug 1662650 in neutron "[RFE] Advance configuration of SR-IOV ports- api extension" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Trevor McCasland (twm2016)16:52
trevormcI left a comment on the bug with a table to try and map the functionality to what is being requested.16:52
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trevormcTraffic protection is not implemented but the drivers team it should land in secgroups instead of a vf_policy api for example16:53
trevormchowever, the OVS firewall does not work with SR-IOV so there is no way to invoke the rules with the agent.16:53
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rkukuratrevormc: Where is the feedback from the drivers team?16:55
trevormcthe log from last week, one sec16:55
trevormchttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting/%23openstack-meeting.2017-04-13.log.html#t2017-04-13T22:14:1416:56
rkukurathanks16:56
rkukurawe only have 5 minutes left, so maybe we should pick this up next week16:56
trevormcagreed16:57
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rkukura#topic Open Discussion16:58
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rkukuraAnything anyone would like to squeeze into the last two minutes?16:58
Sukhdev_nothing from me -16:59
rkukuraIf, not lets wrap up16:59
dasanindrkukura: I need somebody to take over the multiple portbinding patch16:59
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rkukuradasanind: Was hoping to get to that today16:59
rkukuradasanind: Can you join us next week to discuss?16:59
dasanindrkukura: sure17:00
rkukuraLets put that at the top of the agenda, followed by the SR-IOV RFE17:00
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rkukurathanks everyone!17:00
dasanindThank you17:00
rkukura#endmeeting17:00
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timsimoops17:05
timsim#startmeeting designate17:05
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 19 17:05:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is timsim. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:05
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timsim#topic Roll Call17:05
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trungnvo/17:05
timsimping mugsie sonuk17:05
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timsimmulti-tasking, just a sec17:06
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timsim#topic Bug Triage17:07
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timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/168262417:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1682624 in Designate "Record names are not validated when bypassing the Api (e.g. when using the sink)" [Undecided,New]17:07
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timsimSeems like a pretty good bug to me. H17:08
timsim#topic Open Discussion17:09
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timsimnothing to bp17:09
timsimAnyone have anything they'd like to discuss?17:09
trungnvI has been replied along with your comment in my specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451865/17:09
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trungnvhi timsim17:10
trungnvI has been replied along with your comment in my specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451865/17:10
trungnvplease review it.17:10
trungnvI have agreed with API microversion which do not need for rolling upgrade.17:10
trungnvRegarding to OVO items, I understand how to use adapter which you implemented in codebase. They will comunicate between api and object.17:11
mugsiehey - soory -here now17:11
trungnvOur solution with rolling upgrade that is migrating Object into OVO and keep working with currently adapter then test with rolling upgrade. Based on this result we will modify adapter again.17:11
hieulq_o/17:11
mugsietrungnv: we can't do that17:11
mugsiewe do validation completely differently to OVO17:12
mugsiethey do a field at a time17:12
mugsiewe do whole object validation17:12
mugsie(so we can give back multiple errors, and we can validate the object based on the contents of some fields)17:12
trungnvI know, we will attempt with local system then testing with our code before push into Designate project.17:13
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mugsieOK - but you may need to abandon that route17:13
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trungnvyes.17:14
trungnvwe need to try with our solution at the moment.17:14
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mugsieI honestly think in the interest of time, you should start looking at how to do it with out oslo versioned objects17:14
trungnvbecause rolling-upgrade which we really need to implement for our  cloud K5 system.17:15
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hieulq_mugsie, I saw we are using adaptor as an upper layer for rendering and validating current designate object, right?17:15
trungnvyes. we are implementing these code for OVO in local system17:15
mugsiehieulq_: yes17:15
mugsiewell, just rendering17:15
mugsievalidation is in the object17:16
hieulq_mugsie, thanks17:16
mugsiehttps://github.com/openstack/designate/blob/master/designate/objects/base.py is the core of the work17:16
hieulq_mugsie, so our approach is move the validation part to adaptor and migrate current object to o.vo17:16
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mugsieeh17:17
mugsieI am not confortable with that17:17
timsimsame17:17
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hieulq_ok17:17
mugsieand that is not called out in the spec17:17
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hieulq_yeah the spec is WIP17:17
mugsieadapators are only ever used by the API17:17
mugsievalidation canm and should happen at other levels17:18
hieulq_I guess my team should ask oslo team for finding a solution for this case17:18
mugsieI really urge you to not waste time on the ovo17:18
hieulq_thanks for suggestions17:19
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mugsieif you can get OVO split (on bit that does object validation and building, and one that does versioning), that may work17:19
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mugsiebut, I think you will need to take on that work17:20
mugsieis anyone from Fujitsu going to be in Boston?17:20
hieulq_mugsie, I will17:20
hieulq_along with other guys from rolling upgrade team in Fujitsu17:21
mugsieOK - I will be as well. We should talk in person, and then send an update to the mailing list17:21
hieulq_sure17:21
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hieulq_I will try to find a solution for this case17:21
timsimDefinitely come to this https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18590/project-update-designate17:21
hieulq_scheduled in my calendar17:22
mugsieI will also say, that you may need to have some team members working on designate itself as well17:22
hieulq_trungnv is the dedicated member17:22
hieulq_also he is quite new17:22
mugsieas there is no full time devs on the project, just to keep the system builing17:22
mugsiebuilding*17:22
hieulq_understood!17:23
trungnvyep.17:23
timsimI'll implore you, once again, to consider the *why* behind your desire to implement rolling upgrade. Designate has an upgrade story that could get you to less than a minute of downtime already without doing a years worth of work.17:23
timsimIf you slapped some maintenance mode API stuff in front of that you could have the API never go "down down".17:23
hieulq_thanks timsim17:24
mugsieeven nginx with retry mode turned on would probably do it17:24
timsimRe-implementing 1/3 of Designate's code to do this is...well it's a lot of work for very little gain.17:24
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hieulq_at least we are trying testing upgrade in several projects and estimate the effort for these kind of works17:24
hieulq_so we will consider your suggestions17:25
mugsiegreat17:25
timsimAlright, does anyone want to discuss anything else?17:25
trungnvmugsie please confirm how long for upgrade with designate? 2minutes. is right?17:25
hieulq_if I can convince my boss from the investigation in designate cose base17:25
hieulq_trungnv, nah, just an example17:26
mugsieit could be, but there is a lot of factors17:26
mugsiespeed of DB machines17:26
mugsiesize of data set17:26
timsimAmount of automation17:26
mugsiewhat tooling you use for config management / orchestration17:26
mugsiesteps for upgrade are:17:26
mugsie1. Shutdown Services17:26
mugsie2. Migrate DB17:26
mugsie3. Start new versions of services17:27
trungnvyes.thanks17:27
mugsieno, on a small system I can probably do that by hand in 45 secs17:27
mugsienow*17:27
mugsiebut in a shipped product, on a customer site it is all about how you do upgrades17:27
hieulq_sure17:28
hieulq_I have another question regarding our gates now17:28
mugsieyup17:28
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mugsiethey are completely broken :(17:28
hieulq_do we have some solutions for greening them again?17:29
mugsienot right now17:29
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mugsiewe need to debug the failure17:29
hieulq_hm17:30
timsimIt's probably not _super_ difficult, it just requires time. Neither mugsie or myself have been able to find time recently.17:30
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mugsiethere is an issue with the new version of eventlet, and that is about as much as I know17:30
hieulq_ok, I and trungnv will try to debug this17:30
mugsieplease do17:30
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mugsieit would be a good introduction to the code base17:31
hieulq_for getting more familiar with designate17:31
hieulq_yeah17:31
hieulq_thanks17:31
hieulq_no question remaining17:31
trungnvthanks17:31
timsimGreat, we'd appreciate it.17:31
timsimDoes anyone else want to discuss anything?17:31
timsimGoing once........17:32
timsimTwice........17:32
timsimAlright, see you in #openstack-dns17:32
timsim#endmeeting17:33
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mugsieo/17:33
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johnsom#startmeeting Octavia20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 19 20:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
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rm_worko/20:00
johnsomHi folks20:00
nmagnezio/20:00
johnsom#topic Announcements20:00
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johnsomTC voting is open, check your email for the link20:01
johnsomI think today might be the last day to vote.20:01
nmagnezixgerman, is running :-)20:01
johnsomYeah, crazy person...  Grin20:01
nmagnezi:)20:01
johnsomHe is still on vacation, so I can get away with that20:02
johnsomAlso, our third party sonar gate is no more20:02
nmagneziyup, it's not like the meeting is logged or anything :-)20:02
johnsomIt got accidentally deleted, so....20:03
nmagneziwill it get restored?20:03
johnsomI am setting up a coverage gate with infra that should at least give us the coverage information.20:03
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johnsom#link https://review.openstack.org/45781920:03
johnsomWe needed it anyway, but sad to see the sonar gate go.20:04
johnsomI still have the setup instructions so maybe sometime in the future we will build another one.20:04
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nmagneziack20:04
rm_workyes, very sad20:05
johnsomAlso of note, Mitaka is officially EOL.  ( think I mentioned this last week too)20:05
rm_workprobably partially my fault for not insisting the person who created the VM name it more appropriately >_<20:05
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johnsomYou will see the stable/mitaka branch go away soon.  There will be a tag "mitaka-eol" with the last "release"20:06
johnsomA, well, that poor gate has had a rough life anyway.....20:06
rm_workok, hopefully our mitaka stable is fully working... i noticed some weirdness with some of the stable branch scenarios recently20:06
rm_workbut20:06
* rm_work shrugs20:06
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rm_workI really liked sonar, it was a good canary T_T20:07
johnsomYeah, we have had to do a number of stable branch fixes recently due to projects that run without stable branches, namely devstack and diskimage-builder.20:07
rm_workfinished in like ... 2 minutes20:07
rm_work... send me those instructions again, maybe I can get it set up here20:08
rm_workRackspace HP Sonar Gate (by GoDaddy)20:08
johnsomrm_work Sure, I can dig those out.  I also still own the domain.20:08
johnsomHa20:08
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rm_worktempted to do it just for the name20:08
johnsomYeah, like I said, rough life20:08
johnsomIronically, the domain is registered through my personal godaddy account.....20:09
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rm_worklol20:09
rm_workmaybe I can get them to credit you for it20:09
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johnsomHa, it's not much so probably not worth the effort.  I have other domains so I think it was discounted.20:10
johnsomIt's not like the old .io domain which was surprisingly expensive20:10
rm_workyeah O_o20:10
rm_workthose run like $60/year20:10
johnsomIt was $70 when I thought about registerting it20:11
johnsom#link http://www.octavia.cloud20:11
johnsomIt still goes to our docs page...20:11
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nmagnezi.cloud ... lol20:12
rm_work:P20:12
johnsomAny other announcements today?20:12
johnsom#topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review20:12
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johnsomOk, thanks to rm_work our py3 and scenario gates are fully functional now.20:13
rm_work\o/20:13
nmagnezikudos rm_work!20:13
rm_workalso, our v2 API patches are ALMOST done20:13
rm_workjust HM and then paging/sorting20:13
rm_workand some work around single-create and cleanup20:14
johnsomI released our milestone pike-1 packages last week and registered out community goals20:14
rm_workbut the majority is complete20:14
rm_workHM could use review20:14
johnsomYeah, stats and status still too20:14
rm_workah yeah T_T20:14
johnsomBut the majority is done20:14
rm_workall of the objects, so you can create a fully hydrated LB20:14
johnsomI have started on the pools API docs.20:14
johnsomShould be able to get those finished this week.20:15
johnsomI also did the quotas for the v2 API, though it needs some minor updates after this weeks changes20:15
johnsomMy plan for the next week is to keep cranking through API docs.20:16
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johnsomnmagnezi how is the user_group patch going?20:17
nmagnezijohnsom, pretty good. tested okay with Ubuntu amp. tomorrow I'm going to test agains a centos amp20:18
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johnsomOk, so should be good for review/testing tomorrow then?20:18
nmagnezijohnsom, and if that passes it should be the final version of the patch (pending reviews)20:18
nmagneziyup20:18
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johnsomExcellent, looking forward to it.20:18
nmagneziI'll post detailed test results (manual tests I ran) in the patch as soon as it is ready :)20:19
johnsomI know Jude has done some good work on getting the HM/HK processes to exit faster (not stuck sleeping).20:19
johnsomThat is good too20:19
johnsomOk, moving on20:20
JudeCStill needs a review though20:20
johnsom#topic Plan to make scenario gates voting20:20
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johnsomNow that we have a break in the OpenStack storm and our scenario gates are functioning I plan to make them voting.20:20
johnsomThis is part of our py3 goal for Pike.20:21
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rm_workwhich ones?20:21
johnsomThe new infra images have resolved our OVH issues, so things should be in good shape20:21
rm_workI assume *not* anything n-lbaas (please T_T)20:21
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johnsomI plan to do all except centos (pending user_group patch) and lxd20:22
johnsomWhy not the n-lbaas scenarios?20:22
rm_workbecause n-lbaas needs to die20:23
clarkbwhat were the ovh issues? (I'm not aware of any changes to specifically address anything in ovh)20:23
rm_workand also, having a voting dependency on n-lbaas could be problematic20:23
johnsomclarkb libvirt was crashing20:23
rm_workbecause we could run into a circular merge issue20:23
clarkbjohnsom: oh,thats actually a change to devstack, but good to know20:23
johnsomI posted a "thank you" in the infra channel yesterday.20:24
johnsomrm_work We are still going to make sure we function behind neutron-lbaas for Pike....20:25
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rm_workyes, but20:25
rm_worknon-voting is fine >_>20:26
johnsomI think we need to make it voting, we kind of have a contract for our users that neutron-lbaas will still work with the octavia driver20:27
clarkbnote that the change to use UCA doesn't currently affect stable branches. Its master and going forward20:28
rm_workand we can make sure we watch for issues, but if we have a gate problem in octavia because of neutron-lbaas I am going to start throwing things20:28
johnsomHa20:28
johnsomclarkb Yeah, we will live the recheck life in stable like we had been20:29
rm_workif it's a vote, i'm going to -1, if it's your decision as PTL, that's fine20:29
johnsomWell, I wanted discussion (thus the agenda item)20:29
rm_workjust yesterday we had an issue where we needed to merge something in both repos because both had distinct gate issues20:30
rm_workit SEEMS like that would have been more of a PITA if we have a voting gate between them20:30
johnsomUntil we officially deprecate neutron-lbaas we need to make sure we have a fully functional stack20:30
rm_worksure, so procedurally, let's make sure we look and see the check is green before we +A :)20:31
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johnsomAgreed, these outside changes breaking us are a huge pain, but that shouldn't stop us from making sure we have functional and quality code merged.20:32
rm_workand having voting *octavia* scenario gates should do that20:33
johnsomI will compromise.  I will go voting on octavia and leave neutron-lbaas non-voting a while longer to see it's stability.20:33
rm_workthat's all I want :)20:34
johnsomYeah, but octavia gates go direct to the octavia API which is not how most of our deployments are setup.20:34
johnsomOk, next up.20:34
johnsom#topic Boston Summit planning20:34
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rm_workI just booked travel... I *can* make it on Monday in time for the lab20:35
rm_workand I can help on talks20:35
johnsomWhich unfortunately German is still on vacation so we have the opposite half of the conversation this week20:35
rm_workbut I don't have time to do much work preparing for either20:35
rm_workso I am happy to show up and help20:35
rm_workand review slides or something20:35
johnsomThat was what I wanted to discuss.  Should we cancel some of the talks?20:35
rm_workI am not sure what we will have time to prepare for20:35
rm_workwe NEED the project update one20:36
johnsomI will not be able to attend, but can help with slides and such.20:36
rm_workand probably we should do the main LBaaS one20:36
rm_workwhat was the third talk?20:36
rm_workthe lab is ... we should discuss the lab, but need xgerman20:36
johnsomLoad balancing 10120:36
johnsomIt seems like the main LBaaS talk and the project update could overlap content.20:36
rm_workhmm20:37
rm_workyeah mayhaps20:37
rm_workI feel like... is LB101 the same thing we've done every year?20:37
johnsomI had planned project update to talk about the new project and the roadmap, where the main one would be about the merge details20:37
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rm_workis that useful?20:37
johnsomNo, LB101 is like "A network load balancer is..."20:37
johnsomLike basics and cookbook content.20:38
rm_workright ... haven't we done that before?20:38
rm_workor no20:38
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johnsomWe have done small segments, but not in a while or to the depth I was going to go in this session.  It's one we could cancel and just post a youtube for as well20:39
rm_workk20:39
rm_workI mean... I can try to give any amount of talks20:39
rm_workI just *can't* plan for them20:39
rm_workso20:39
johnsomOk, if you are up for them, I can help with slides.  Most of those were my talks so I didn't want to dump the presentation job on other folks.20:40
rm_workalso I can't guarantee I can be as thorough as you could for description or questions20:40
rm_workbut I can disclaimer up front that I'm a backup :P20:41
johnsomYeah.  Or phone-a-friend20:41
johnsomHA20:41
rm_workthe lab is what I'm worried about the most20:41
rm_worklol yeah I could Zoom/Skype you in on my Laptop20:41
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rm_workGiant head on a projector20:41
rm_workwouldn't that be fun20:41
johnsomYeah, if the wifi is good enough20:42
rm_workyeah we can test and see20:42
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johnsomAnyway, ok, so current plan, without German here, is to still do all four, but we need to create slides20:42
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johnsomright?20:42
rm_workI guess20:42
johnsomOk20:42
rm_workI am concerned about the lab20:42
rm_workbecause with just two of us20:43
rm_workit will be difficult as-is20:43
rm_workand i don't know what his plan for it is20:43
rm_workor if he has one20:43
johnsomYep, agreed20:43
nmagnezijust play the recording of past years :D20:43
rm_workit took a lot of prep last time that I did on the technical side20:43
rm_workso I hope he isn't just planning to wing that the night before20:43
rm_workin addition to the actual content of the talk20:44
johnsomWe can have it on next weeks agenda as well20:44
rm_workok20:44
rm_workcutting it close though20:44
johnsom#topic Discuss asynchronous API and response handling20:44
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johnsomThis was discussed last week in depth.  Do we want to try to discuss more in 15 minutes, or just give some open discussion time and put it on next weeks agenda?20:45
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johnsomcrickets20:45
rm_workhmm20:45
rm_worki missed last week20:46
rm_workmaybe i should catch up20:46
johnsomI think we need some time on this, so let's move it to next week but plan to decide a path forward then.20:46
johnsom#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-04-12-20.00.log.html#l-6920:47
johnsom#topic Open Discussion20:47
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johnsomOther topics for today?20:47
JudeCI am taking over the python-octaviaclient20:47
johnsomAh, yes, Excellent!20:48
JudeCjust a general fyi20:48
rm_work^^ along with possibly another resource here20:48
rm_workwe'll see if he is able to come on20:48
johnsomI should probably look at the state of the SDK work as well20:48
JudeCYeah, we dont have a fully fleshed out spec for it though but I am using https://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-octaviaclient/decoder.html#lbaas-v2-cli as aguide20:48
johnsomYeah, any time you have questions please ask in the channel.20:49
JudeCPerfect ty20:49
johnsomThe old client was not as good as we can make the OSC plugin so20:49
johnsomIf you would like me to put tracking bugs in or something like that, let me know.20:50
JudeCThat would be useful IMO.20:50
johnsomOk, I will make some time to enter those.  I will create a new tag20:51
johnsomProbably "octavia-osc"20:52
johnsomAny additional items today?20:53
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johnsomOk, thanks folks!  Chat with you in the normal channel20:54
rm_worko/20:54
nmagnezio/20:54
johnsom#endmeeting20:54
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