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| youzp_ | #startmeeting ha | 09:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 09:30:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is youzp_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:30 |
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| toabctl | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:01 |
| openstack | toabctl: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 13:01 |
| toabctl | #endmeeting | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 13:01:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2017/ha.2017-03-09-09.30.html | 13:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2017/ha.2017-03-09-09.30.txt | 13:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2017/ha.2017-03-09-09.30.log.html | 13:02 |
| toabctl | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 13:02:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:02 |
| toabctl | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof | 13:02 |
| number80 | o/ | 13:02 |
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| jpena | o/ | 13:02 |
| toabctl | #chair IgorYozhikov jpena number80 dirk | 13:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jpena number80 toabctl | 13:02 |
| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:03 |
| witek | o/ | 13:03 |
| toabctl | please add you points to the agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | let's adjust ^^^ | 13:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | :) | 13:03 |
| toabctl | might disapear so just go ahead without me... | 13:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:03 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ... and let's start then | 13:06 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/rpm-packaging+branch:master+topic:monasca-rpm - usage of additional variables instead of sourceX | 13:06 |
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| witek | hello | 13:06 |
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| IgorYozhikov | witek, please continue | 13:07 |
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| witek | I wanted to discuss the usage of variables for SourceX | 13:07 |
| witek | it has two advantages: | 13:07 |
| witek | * better readability | 13:07 |
| witek | %{buildroot}%{api_conf_dir}/%{api_conf} | 13:08 |
| witek | instead of | 13:08 |
| witek | %{buildroot}%{SourceX}%{SourceY} | 13:08 |
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| witek | * the variable values are sed'ed in templates | 13:08 |
| witek | what do you think about this approach? | 13:10 |
| * IgorYozhikov suggested to use common approach like %{_sysconfdir}/monasca/%{SourceX} as used for rest projects just to do things in similar way. | 13:10 | |
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| witek | OK, I'm fine with it, common coding style is important | 13:11 |
| number80 | I agree w/ IgorYozhikov | 13:11 |
| jpena | Personally, I think using sed to subsitute variable names around is cumbersome, and leads to a more complex spec | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | and it is required to clarify - are we good with such approach and what is written in packaging policy/rules | 13:11 |
| toabctl | +1 for trying to be consistent | 13:12 |
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| witek | can you point me to 'packaging policy/rules' please? | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, is there any documented stuff for such cases in fedora packaging rules? | 13:14 |
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| number80 | Yes | 13:17 |
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| number80 | fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines | 13:17 |
| number80 | SUSE: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_guidelines | 13:17 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I found https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:RPM_Source_Dir | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | where all sources set as files not vars | 13:18 |
| toabctl | witek, you can also just look into the other spec.j2 templates and follow what we do there. | 13:18 |
| witek | thanks for the references | 13:19 |
| witek | are you OK with using sed to substitute the variable values? | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | witek, as I saw, you use sed for configuration files update right? | 13:20 |
| witek | correct | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | might be crudini could help here? | 13:20 |
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| IgorYozhikov | not sure that my suggestion is the best but for ini like files it should work | 13:21 |
| toabctl | witek, we are not doing that in other spec.j2 templates | 13:21 |
| toabctl | I would like to be consistent | 13:21 |
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| witek | I haven't found crudini usage in openstack/rpm-packaging | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | also you are modifying files you are already uploaded within commit, so might be better to upload already prepared files in such case ans do not update them during build step | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | just suggesting | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | s/ans/and/ | 13:24 |
| toabctl | let's try to avoid crudini | 13:25 |
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| IgorYozhikov | witek, I suggesting crudini as one of tools which could be used for modification of ini like files | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | ah, ok | 13:25 |
| toabctl | I would just do what we already do in keystone | 13:25 |
| toabctl | and if we decide that we need to support eg a username switch in the .spec we can fix it in all other places. let's try to keep it simple and consistent for now. | 13:26 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, are you suggesting to upload already modified files and do not update them during build if those files are not part of source code? | 13:26 |
| toabctl | my 2 cents :) | 13:26 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov I'm suggesting to follow what we already have. | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | so, the rest changes should be provided by cm system, right? | 13:28 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I'm about config files update | 13:28 |
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| witek | ok, thank you for the comments, we'll update the changes | 13:29 |
| witek | and we'll be happy about reviews :) | 13:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | witek, u r welcome :) | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | anything else related to this topic? | 13:30 |
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| witek | I'm not sure we understand Haikels comment here: | 13:31 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433030/37/openstack/monasca-notification/monasca-notification.spec.j2@28 | 13:31 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, ^^^ | 13:32 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I do not see any provides/obsoletes? | 13:33 |
| number80 | witek: if you rename a package, it has to provides/obsoletes old package name | 13:34 |
| number80 | if you don't, you'll break updates | 13:34 |
| number80 | python-monasca-notifications won't be replaced by openstack-xxxx and it will conflicts since they ship the same stuff | 13:35 |
| witek | we're not renaming really, just moving to the subpackage | 13:35 |
| number80 | okie | 13:35 |
| number80 | lemme look | 13:36 |
| witek | ok, thanks | 13:36 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic python3 - feedback to singlespec macros | 13:37 |
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| * IgorYozhikov took a look privately -I'm more || less fine, but unfortunately still didn't have enough time for hands on experience. | 13:39 | |
| IgorYozhikov | It's on my TODO list | 13:39 |
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| IgorYozhikov | any feedback about single spec from RDO side? | 13:41 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #topic packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) | 13:45 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I want to discuss my update for nova | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | how to be with pacement-api | 13:46 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425673/ | 13:46 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and suse tests failures | 13:46 |
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| IgorYozhikov | 1. about placement-api | 13:46 |
| IgorYozhikov | I created wsgi config and put it in package | 13:47 |
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| IgorYozhikov | question here - do I need to create a separate systemd unit for it or leave as is under wsgi | 13:48 |
| jpena | I'd leave it under wsgi, it seems to be the recommended setup | 13:48 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes, I did that according to setup.cfg | 13:49 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ok, and what is about failed tests in SUSE CI - https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log/home:suse-cloud-ci:rpm-packaging-sles12-Master-d6540599133dd567765834b65c02ee2915c63983/openstack-nova/standard/x86_64 | 13:50 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, could you help with ^^^^^ | 13:51 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, fix is on it's way. newer pbr needed | 13:51 |
| toabctl | aplanas is working on it | 13:51 |
| IgorYozhikov | ah, cool thanx | 13:51 |
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| IgorYozhikov | so, moving forward then | 13:52 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jpena, according to neutron deps, OVS and Co is on the way. | 13:52 |
| jpena | nice | 13:52 |
| IgorYozhikov | I found issues with job configs | 13:53 |
| IgorYozhikov | some of jobs were using 7.2 snapshots and this is fixing right now by our infra team | 13:53 |
| IgorYozhikov | anything else we need to discus here? | 13:54 |
| IgorYozhikov | we have 5 min | 13:54 |
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| IgorYozhikov | open floor || finishing meeting? | 13:58 |
| jpena | yep | 13:59 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 13:59:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-03-09-13.02.html | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-03-09-13.02.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-03-09-13.02.log.html | 13:59 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 15:00:38 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| xyang2 | hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:00 |
| jprovazn | hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| Yogi1 | Hello | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | markstur toabctl: courtesy ping | 15:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
| * toabctl is in another meeting in parallel. | 15:01 | |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| bswartz | I don't have any announcements for today but ganso does | 15:02 |
| markstur | hello | 15:02 |
| ganso | bswartz: thanks Ben | 15:02 |
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| ganso | So, I have two very unfortunate announcements to make: | 15:02 |
| ganso | 1) I've been assigned the task by a Hitachi representative to deliver a message to the manila community, in which Hitachi has been involved. | 15:02 |
| ganso | The message is that unfortunately Hitachi will be discontinuing community participation and will only operate through Hitachi software distribution channels. | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | since when? | 15:03 |
| bswartz | :-( | 15:03 |
| dustins | :( | 15:03 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: since as right now | 15:03 |
| toabctl | bad news... | 15:03 |
| ganso | 2) Regarding myself as a community member: As some of you know, I was working as a third party for Hitachi, and as of right now I am unfortunately no longer being sponsored to work with the community. | 15:03 |
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| ganso | I am going to try to stay involved and engaged as long as my free time allows, but in the current situation, I am positive that the amount of involvement will not be enough to work on specs, features, or perform many code reviews. | 15:03 |
| tbarron | :( | 15:04 |
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| ganso | so, yea, :( | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | I'm sorry to hear that ganso, your contributions will be missed | 15:04 |
| tbarron | this stinks | 15:04 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | ganso: sorry to hear that... i really hope someone can sponsor your work | 15:05 |
| bswartz | it's normal for companies to join/leave open source communities as their business priorities dictate | 15:05 |
| cknight | ganso: who will own Hitachi CI? Does Hitachi not want in-tree drivers? | 15:05 |
| bswartz | hopefully some other company with an interest in the future of manila would be interested in sponsoring ganso's continued work | 15:05 |
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| ganso | cknight: as of this moment, the CI is located in my team's site, and will be shut down | 15:06 |
| ganso | cknight: from the message, I presume it will not be maintained anymore | 15:06 |
| tbarron | ganso: is this just a hitachi/manila thing, or more general? | 15:06 |
| bswartz | cknight: we don't kick drivers out of tree anymore -- our current threat is to mark the driver as unmaintained if the maintainer stops working in it | 15:06 |
| toabctl | ganso, so the driver needs to be removed? | 15:07 |
| ganso | cknight: regarding removal of drivers from the upstream code, I have not been informed of any action w.r.t that | 15:07 |
| ganso | tbarron: manila and cinder | 15:07 |
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| ganso | tbarron: probably kolla as well | 15:07 |
| tbarron | double or triple :( | 15:07 |
| cknight | ganso: understood. not good news. | 15:07 |
| bswartz | yeah this is sad | 15:08 |
| bswartz | We need to keep encouraging more sponsorship of the project though | 15:08 |
| ganso | my personal wish is that I could continue working with OpenStack, and more specifically manila | 15:09 |
| bswartz | okay let's move on to our busy agenda | 15:09 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:09 |
| bswartz | #topic Specs Deadline (continued) | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs Deadline (continued) (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:09 | |
| bswartz | so we ran out of time on this topic last week | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | as I said I would do, I posted the tentative deadline for ALL specs as the Pike-1 milestone on the official schedule | 15:10 |
| bswartz | we could choose to relax those deadlines, but I'd prefer not to | 15:10 |
| bswartz | that dead as it stands is 5 weeks away | 15:11 |
| jungleboyj | o/ Sorry for being late. | 15:11 |
| bswartz | and I don't want to wait more than 5 weeks to make decisions about what's in and what's out of pike | 15:11 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:11 |
| bswartz | s/dead/deadline/ | 15:11 |
| bswartz | if there are special circumstances for individual specs we could make exceptions | 15:12 |
| bswartz | but it would be best for everyone if we just got on the with the process of reviewing specs and making the decisions so we can shift to focus on code | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | anyone unhappy with this plan? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | I said last week we could put this to a vote if there's still disagreement | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | would be fair | 15:13 |
| bswartz | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | okay sounds like we're agreed | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | #topic Community Goals | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Community Goals (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:14 | |
| bswartz | #link https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/goals/pike/deploy-api-in-wsgi.rst | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #link https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/goals/pike/python35.rst | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | there are 2 TC-approved goals for Pike | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | we must respond to these one way or another | 15:15 |
| bswartz | the py35 looks very easy to achieve, for us | 15:16 |
| bswartz | we'd just need to add a py35 gate job for manila-ui | 15:16 |
| bswartz | the wsgi goal will require a bit more effort, but I expect that it won't be terrible | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | I'm looking for a volunteer that's interested to test manila with a proper wsgi container | 15:17 |
| bswartz | the process should be quite similar to whatever works for cinder because at the time we forked cinder it was wsgi-enabled | 15:18 |
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| tbarron | there's a cinder patch to devstack/lib/cinder up for this, but we are a plugin ... | 15:18 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: And Sean thought that would be pretty easy for Cinder to get done. | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | yeah I don't expect it to be a ton of effort, but it's something that we're required to do so I want to bring it up early | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: what is wrong with being plugin? | 15:19 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: nothing wrong, I just didn't see the same toggle at first glance | 15:19 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: +1 | 15:19 |
| bswartz | I personally haven't played with wsgi stuff before but this was discussed somewhat extensively at PTG and it sounded like it should be easy to do | 15:20 |
| bswartz | well maybe we can do what we usually do and wait for cinder to solve it then steal their good work | 15:21 |
| bswartz | :-) | 15:21 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:21 |
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| * jungleboyj wonders if I want to join these meetings. ;-) | 15:21 | |
| bswartz | if anyone wants to volunteer to own that please contact me | 15:21 |
| bswartz | let's move on though | 15:21 |
| bswartz | #topic Experimental APIs | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Experimental APIs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:22 | |
| bswartz | so this topic was also discussed last week at some length | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-03-02-15.00.log.html | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | so the current plan is to address our current bugs so that experimental stuff doesn't leak through to the nonexperimental APIs | 15:24 |
| bswartz | and then to reconsider if a different form of namespacing experimental APIs from stable APIs would be better than what we have now | 15:24 |
| bswartz | currently we use HTTP headers to namespace them | 15:25 |
| bswartz | there's a proposal to use a different REST endpoint | 15:25 |
| bswartz | IMO the differences between the 2 are cosmetic only and not worth pushing a major change, but I'm open to hearing why Im' wrong | 15:25 |
| bswartz | lastly we did not get to the question of whether we want to allow more experimental features to merge in pike | 15:26 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1, mostly cosmetic. 2 sides of the same coin. | 15:26 |
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| tbarron | do we have any new experimental APIs in the pipeline for pike? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | some were in favor of a blanket ban on new experimental stuff | 15:26 |
| bswartz | tbarron: we won't know until 5 weeks from now ;-) | 15:26 |
| ganso | bswartz: someone replied to your ML PTG summary message, saying that the endpoint approach is likely to be a thing other project will be onboard | 15:26 |
| cknight | bswartz: I did it with headers because it was a trivial (and elegant, IMO) extension of microversions | 15:26 |
| bswartz | ganso: yes I saw that -- I should reply | 15:27 |
| tbarron | my thought is that this decision may not be urgent. | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | agree | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | need to wait until we finish with specs | 15:27 |
| bswartz | tbarron: we can make the decision on a case by case basis -- we just need to agree NOT to impose a blanket ban on experimental stuff | 15:27 |
| cknight | I think it's more important to get the current experimental features out of that status. Experimental is not a stable state, and we know it is a deterrent for some. | 15:28 |
| bswartz | for individual specs we can make a call about whether the change should be experimental or not | 15:28 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: you were the loudest voice for never doing another experimental feature | 15:29 |
| tbarron | well, I wasn't proposing that myself, even though I do think the costs for core features need to be weighed in when we decide - amount of thrash, liklihood of false negatives in gate, etc. | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | oh looks like gouthamr wandered AFK | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i respectfully disagree with the notion here about doing things this way.. but i will continue to work in fixing our bugs | 15:30 |
| bswartz | alright then we're agreed | 15:30 |
| bswartz | #agreed team will make calls about experimental APIs on a spec-by-spec basis for new features in pike | 15:30 |
| bswartz | oops | 15:30 |
| bswartz | #undo | 15:30 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #agreed team will make calls about experimental APIs on a spec-by-spec basis for new features in pike | 15:30 |
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| xyang1 | I thought gouthamr was in favor of using a different endpoint | 15:31 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: so there are 3 issues -- the first one (fixing bugs) is settled, the second one (the decisions about the mechanism) is being deferred intentionally, but we need to make a call about how to handle new APIs proposed in pike | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | xyang1: i still am :) but we discussed it at length in the last meeting.. | 15:32 |
| bswartz | xyang1: yes and we're not talking about that topic now | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | to use a strawman, let's say we plan to do share backup this cycle | 15:33 |
| bswartz | it would involve several new APIs which we may or may not want to commit to | 15:33 |
| bswartz | I think that we should reserve the option of merging the feature with an experimental API instead of keeping the feature out of tree until Queens, assuming all of our other criteria are met | 15:34 |
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| cknight | bswartz: I would prefer to see those as experimental for at least 1 cycle, but I would also prefer to prioritize getting current APIs out of experimental status first. | 15:34 |
| cknight | bswartz: Otherwise it looks like we can't ever finish anything. | 15:35 |
| bswartz | it doesn't mean new features have to be done that way -- if the APIs are proposed and they seem perfect then we could merge it as stable -- that just hasn't happened for any new big things in the past | 15:35 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: can you get on board with that plan? | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: +1 | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:36 |
| bswartz | #agreed team will make calls about experimental APIs on a spec-by-spec basis for new features in pike | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: and we evolve them as necessary with microversions, as intended. | 15:36 |
| bswartz | #topic Refactor of Tempest scenario base classes | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113071.html | 15:36 |
| bswartz | I saw this thread and wanted to bring it up here briefly | 15:36 |
| bswartz | since scenario tests are important to me | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I'm not actually sure what the impact of this is on manila | 15:37 |
| bswartz | has anyone else looked at this? | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442719/ | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we will need to refactor our code on next tempest version bump | 15:37 |
| dustins_ | bswartz: I've looked at it a little bit, yes | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | wow why the new 1200 line file? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | this can't be imported from somewhere? | 15:38 |
| dustins | Specifically, I've been looking at the Waiters and Execptions classes | 15:39 |
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| dustins | And I don't know | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: they're going to make changes to that class in particular | 15:39 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I *think* it's a temporary move, to get out of the direct tempest import | 15:39 |
| bswartz | oh so we're getting a temporary copy | 15:39 |
| bswartz | right | 15:39 |
| dustins | I'm still figuring out the Tempest internals myself, unfortunately | 15:39 |
| dustins | It's a bit of a mess, if I'm honest | 15:40 |
| bswartz | okay well we want to stay on top of that change | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is first step before making manila tempest tests separate project ) | 15:40 |
| bswartz | as vponomaryov says, we'll probably be forced to resolve some issues when we next bump the tempest commit cash | 15:40 |
| bswartz | gah! | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: hahaha | 15:40 |
| bswartz | this community is too repo-happy | 15:41 |
| dustins | Heh | 15:41 |
| bswartz | maybe it's just a pythonic thing to do and I should stop worrying about it | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | pbric | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | but the list of repos here is horrifyingly long: http://git.openstack.org/cgit | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | IDK how anyone can fit all those repos into their brain | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: my browser is not crashing opening this page, then it is ok )) | 15:42 |
| tbarron | just the ones your brain requires | 15:42 |
| dustins | To be fair, it looks like a good amount of them are all deb-<NAME OF PACKAGE> | 15:42 |
| tbarron | or that your brain tests require | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: internet explorer? me too! | 15:43 |
| bswartz | tbarron: but *somebody* has to worry about all of them -- people that build distros for example | 15:43 |
| * tbarron ducks | 15:43 | |
| bswartz | oh wel | 15:43 |
| bswartz | we're off topic now | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I guess there's nothing else to say about this topic, we just need to review and merge that patch I suppose | 15:44 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:44 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: andrea is pretty busy, should we just fix the pep8 issues for him? | 15:44 |
| bswartz | anyone have anything else for today? | 15:44 |
| bswartz | tbarron: yes | 15:44 |
| tbarron | bswartz: kk | 15:44 |
| dustins | tbarron, bswartz: I can have a look at the patch and see what needs doing on it | 15:45 |
| bswartz | oh | 15:45 |
| bswartz | the forum | 15:45 |
| tbarron | dustins: just cherry-pick it and run pep8 | 15:45 |
| bswartz | some of you may have seen ttx's announcement about boston | 15:45 |
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| tbarron | dustins: fix and git-review | 15:45 |
| dustins | tbarron: indeed, should be easy to fix! | 15:45 |
| jprovazn | I've updated the user messages spec and related patches (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434277/) - so if you have a momment, please take a look | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: no manila in Boston? | 15:45 |
| bswartz | I wanted to make it clear that we have no plans to do any manila specific sessions in boston | 15:45 |
| markstur | Fenway Park! | 15:45 |
| bswartz | developers are still welcome to go and participate | 15:45 |
| bswartz | and it sounds from ttx's mail like it's *strongly encouraged* | 15:46 |
| bswartz | however I think it's unreasonable to expect developers to travel 4 times a year for a project like manila | 15:46 |
| bswartz | we should find a way to do all of our face-to-face work either at the conferences or the PTGs, but not both | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | especially if ther eis no free swag for each attendee )) | 15:47 |
| markstur | the email shouted that developers should attend | 15:47 |
| dustins | Yeah, I think it'll be a fools errand to try to convince my manager to go to the Summit | 15:47 |
| dustins | We'll see about a second PTG as well :) | 15:47 |
| bswartz | since we did the PTG for Pike, I plan to skip the Conference/Forum | 15:47 |
| bswartz | for Queens we could decide to do things differently | 15:47 |
| bswartz | I will be in boston briefly at least to do PTL-ish things, but I won't attend all 4 days of the forum | 15:48 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: skipping Sydney? | 15:48 |
| bswartz | xyang1: that's TBD | 15:49 |
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| vponomaryov | xyang1: I wonder who chose Syndey, it will be very expensive for majority of attendees | 15:49 |
| bswartz | honestly we need to see what the plans are for a Queens PTG and if there's any improvement from Pike | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | and yes I don't relish the idea of spending a ton of money and time flying to australia | 15:50 |
| bswartz | anyways -- all of that is TBD | 15:50 |
| bswartz | Boston is the next event and I wanted to make sure nobody was expecting a bunch of manila-specific sessions there | 15:51 |
| bswartz | one option we have as a community is to go back to meeting at the conferences and to skip PTGs | 15:52 |
| bswartz | there will be space for developers to meet and work at the conference (in theory) and we could do virtual PTGs a different week than the actual PTG | 15:52 |
| bswartz | that's just a possibility -- something to decide this summer | 15:52 |
| bswartz | I think that's it for today | 15:52 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:53 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 15:53:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-03-09-15.00.html | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-03-09-15.00.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-03-09-15.00.log.html | 15:53 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 15:53 |
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| aglarendil | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 16:02:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aglarendil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:02 |
| aglarendil | hey, everyone! | 16:02 |
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| aglarendil | So it seems to be the lonely meeting for announcing Fuel Ocata release | 16:10 |
| aglarendil | #topic Fuel Ocata release | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fuel Ocata release (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:10 | |
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| aglarendil | so far we have Fuel Ocata released | 16:12 |
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| aglarendil | the main feature is using task-based deployment graphs for everything | 16:13 |
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| aglarendil | now we can change the functionality on the fly with plugins and cluster-level graphs | 16:13 |
| aglarendil | including provisioning and network verification | 16:13 |
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| aglarendil | e.g. one could add additional power management | 16:13 |
| aglarendil | or even inject new graph stage deployment workflow | 16:13 |
| aglarendil | other things include scale improvements | 16:14 |
| aglarendil | it would be possible to deploy many hundreds and thousand of nodes | 16:14 |
| aglarendil | the final artifact for the release is expected to be produced today or tomorrow as soon as we have all the tags set | 16:14 |
| aglarendil | thx everyone who was listening | 16:14 |
| aglarendil | #endmeeting | 16:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 16:15:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2017/fuel.2017-03-09-16.02.html | 16:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2017/fuel.2017-03-09-16.02.txt | 16:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2017/fuel.2017-03-09-16.02.log.html | 16:15 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 17:03:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:03 | |
| hyakuhei | Whoopsy | 17:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:03 |
| aasthad | o/ | 17:04 |
| unrahul | o/ | 17:04 |
| browne | o/ | 17:04 |
| knangia | o/ | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | I'm very sorry for being late guys | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | It's been a crazy few days | 17:04 |
| knangia | no problem hyakuhei :) | 17:04 |
| unrahul | i was wondering if DST has started :D | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | I wouldn't even know | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | Totally heads down at the moemnt | 17:05 |
| vinaypotluri | o/ | 17:05 |
| capnoday | o/ | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | oh hai capnoday | 17:05 |
| capnoday | sup mate | 17:05 |
| aasthad | so we know DST is not in affect guys! | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Crazy | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | lol no, just a hyakuhei DoS I'm afraid | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Very poor latency atm | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | zero bandwidth | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | etc | 17:05 |
| knangia | lol | 17:06 |
| capnoday | aasthad yep we are still on UTC/GMT atm | 17:06 |
| aasthad | :D | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Could we get an update on the docs bugs to start with as we've got lots of OSIC ninjas here | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Security Guide | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Security Guide (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:06 | |
| aasthad | gotya capnoday | 17:06 |
| unrahul | so , we have pushed 2 patches for 2 sec bugs | 17:06 |
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| unrahul | One on neutron and the other one with cinder | 17:06 |
| unrahul | I am not able to get the link from top of my head | 17:07 |
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| unrahul | I am working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1274034 this one | 17:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1274034 in neutron "Neutron firewall anti-spoofing does not prevent ARP poisoning" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | #chair capnoday | 17:07 |
| openstack | Current chairs: capnoday hyakuhei | 17:07 |
| unrahul | it seems to be something of the past, that we just need to close.. | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | unrahul excellent! | 17:07 |
| unrahul | anyone has any comments on that bug? | 17:07 |
| knangia | i am working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossp-security-documentation/+bug/1619502 | 17:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1619502 in OpenStack Security Guide Documentation "Information Validation - Federated keystone in Security Guide" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Khanak Nangia (knangia) | 17:08 |
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| unrahul | thanks hyakuhei :), the other teams have been helping us with figuring out if these bugs are still valid | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | You guys are doing great! | 17:09 |
| unrahul | Anyone has any comments on this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1274034 ? | 17:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1274034 in neutron "Neutron firewall anti-spoofing does not prevent ARP poisoning" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 17:09 |
| * hyakuhei looks | 17:09 | |
| unrahul | hyakuhei: capnoday ^ | 17:09 |
| vinaypotluri | And I've been working on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossp-security-documentation/+bug/1619485 after assigning it to myself from capnoday | 17:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1619485 in OpenStack Security Guide Documentation "Annual Cipher Validation - Introduction to TLS and SSL in Security Guide" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Vinay Potluri (vinay-potluri) | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | thanks vinaypotluri - how's it looking now? | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | unrahul that's a massive thread, what's the TL:DR ? | 17:10 |
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| unrahul | Well, as the bug suggests, we had to write in the sec guide about flat networking not really isolating tenants, but with patches for OVS and linux bridge it seems we can isolate the traffic by correct configuration. This is already mentioned in the sec guide.. here https://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/networking/services-security-best-practices.html | 17:12 |
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| unrahul | so should we just close it? | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | o/ tkelsey | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | #chair kangia unrahul vinaypotluri tkelsey aasthad | 17:13 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: kangia | 17:13 |
| openstack | Current chairs: aasthad capnoday hyakuhei kangia tkelsey unrahul vinaypotluri | 17:13 |
| vinaypotluri | hyakuhei: knangia | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | o/ hyakuhei sorry im running late | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | I'll BRB, you guys keep going :) | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | #chair knangia | 17:14 |
| openstack | Current chairs: aasthad capnoday hyakuhei kangia knangia tkelsey unrahul vinaypotluri | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | you could have done that vinaypotluri ;) | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | capnoday can you keep it moving along please? | 17:14 |
| capnoday | np | 17:14 |
| unrahul | :) | 17:14 |
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| vinaypotluri | sure hyakuhei we will take the lead | 17:14 |
| knangia | f:) | 17:14 |
| unrahul | capnoday: tkelsey so what do you think about the sec guide bug , the information is already present in the guide, should we just close it. | 17:15 |
| knangia | * :) | 17:15 |
| capnoday | Im inclined to just close it | 17:15 |
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| capnoday | seems like it has been superseeded now | 17:15 |
| unrahul | yes.. it is, I dont think there is any need to continue it.. and if anyone wants it in more detail, I feel they should raise a new bug as a wish list | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:16 |
| capnoday | +1 | 17:16 |
| unrahul | thanks guys | 17:16 |
| knangia | agreed unrahul | 17:16 |
| capnoday | right done, thanks vinay rahul | 17:16 |
| knangia | for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossp-security-documentation/+bug/1619502 : talking to keystone team, some information needs to be refreshed, setting up the environment...for now according to the keystone team, the information on the federated keystone seems correct.... | 17:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1619502 in OpenStack Security Guide Documentation "Information Validation - Federated keystone in Security Guide" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Khanak Nangia (knangia) | 17:16 |
| unrahul | so one bug sec guide close yay! | 17:16 |
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| capnoday | great, any other security guide stuff you want to discuss? | 17:17 |
| aasthad | I am working on this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossp-security-documentation/+bug/1446756 | 17:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1446756 in OpenStack Security Guide Documentation "Integrity life-cycle in OpenStack Security Guide - current" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Aastha Dixit (aastha-dixit) | 17:17 |
| unrahul | yup | 17:17 |
| unrahul | one more | 17:17 |
| capnoday | :) | 17:17 |
| lhinds | ahhh, completely lost track of time..sorry all | 17:17 |
| aasthad | Its about dm-verity’s use with openstack. have you guys ever worked with this before | 17:17 |
| unrahul | :D | 17:17 |
| capnoday | tkelsey sicarie? | 17:18 |
| knangia | welcome lhinds :) | 17:18 |
| lhinds | thanks knangia | 17:18 |
| lhinds | I can give an OSSN update whenever you folks like. | 17:18 |
| capnoday | ok ive never touched dm-verity (or heard of it before now) | 17:18 |
| unrahul | :) | 17:19 |
| capnoday | but if you want to propose a patch talking about its use aasthad please do so | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://source.android.com/security/verifiedboot/ | 17:19 |
| lhinds | I have heard its use on android b4, but thats it | 17:19 |
| unrahul | yup.. and they are asking how it can be used in openstack | 17:20 |
| unrahul | and I am not really sure.. in what way dmverity helps openstack | 17:20 |
| unrahul | hyakuhei: lhinds capnoday any comments? | 17:20 |
| aasthad | so I will post a patch on what I know about it is true. and lets see how it goes | 17:20 |
| lhinds | hmm, would need a port first to main kernel | 17:20 |
| aasthad | I will push a patch soon | 17:20 |
| aasthad | yes true | 17:20 |
| lhinds | I don't think openstack would be the first place to look at implemtation | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei | It's more of a BM concern really | 17:21 |
| aasthad | not sure how to make changes at kernel level | 17:21 |
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| unrahul | or if that is even needed :D | 17:21 |
| aasthad | whats BM concern hyakuhei | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Sorry, bare metal | 17:21 |
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| unrahul | I think the OS devs or deployers of binaries to concern about it | 17:22 |
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| aasthad | oh yeah true. would need to ask for a server ! so what do you guys think do we actually need this or we can close it somehow? | 17:22 |
| aasthad | i mean if its actually in the scope of our documentation? | 17:24 |
| lhinds | wish list if not closing | 17:24 |
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| capnoday | lhinds +1 | 17:24 |
| knangia | +1 lhinds | 17:24 |
| lhinds | it is in kernel branch, but not sure how decent it is: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/5924bbecd0267d87c24110cbe2041b5075173a25/drivers/md/dm-verity.h | 17:25 |
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| lhinds | or robust rather | 17:25 |
| lhinds | netflix project originally | 17:25 |
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| hyakuhei | timecheck: 2 minutes | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | *minutes | 17:28 |
| capnoday | ok, lets go wishlist and shelve that for the moment | 17:28 |
| aasthad | okay capnoday | 17:28 |
| lhinds | quick one: last OSSN for reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443587/ | 17:28 |
| capnoday | unrahul thanks for your email on keystone vuln analysis, i will get back to you shortly | 17:28 |
| unrahul | thanks capnoday | 17:29 |
| aasthad | thankyou lhinds capnoday | 17:29 |
| michaelxin | Great | 17:29 |
| capnoday | lhinds thanks for the ossn, will review | 17:29 |
| lhinds | np aasthad | 17:29 |
| capnoday | AOB? | 17:29 |
| unrahul | I have asked them to talk to us here in the security channel if there is any help needed from our end | 17:29 |
| capnoday | ok | 17:30 |
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| knangia | cool | 17:30 |
| unrahul | shall we end the meeting | 17:31 |
| knangia | i guess yed | 17:31 |
| unrahul | #endmeeting | 17:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 17:31:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:31 |
| aasthad | yep | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-03-09-17.03.html | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-03-09-17.03.txt | 17:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-03-09-17.03.log.html | 17:31 |
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| SpamapS | #startmeeting arch_wg | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | #chair SpamapS | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 20:01:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Arch-WG#Agenda | 20:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'arch_wg' | 20:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SpamapS | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:01 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | Architecture WG courtesy ping for nikhil, harlowja, dstanek, kragniz, auggy, rockyg, rocky_g, kgiusti, thingee, denaitre, bastafidli | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | #topic previous meeting action items | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:02 | |
| SpamapS | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/ | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | yo yo | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | * rocky_g Send email regarding implementation bleed-through (stretch: submit as raw proposal) | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | rockyg: I don't recall seeing that. Carry? | 20:03 |
| rockyg | HAHAHAHAHA! Yeah. One of the bosses has been in town (still is) and another is out, so each of them wants me to do stuff for them that wasn't part of my planned schedul | 20:04 |
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| rockyg | Although, I came up with a comparison for Shade along those lines. | 20:05 |
| rockyg | Shade, like abortion, trying to make it safe and seldom used. | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | np, we'll carry it | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | #action rocky_g Send email regarding implementation bleed-through (stretch: submit as raw proposal) (Carried since Feb 9 2017) | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | * SpamapS to move nova-compute-api to active status and add structure (Carried from Jan 2017) | 20:06 |
| rockyg | Thanks. | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | I did that, but it hasn't been +A'd yet | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | #link https://review.openstack.org/435555 | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | Going to just consider that done, and hopefully ttx and dtroyer get active again | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | * rocky_g Resurrect Error Codes and Logging Improvements spec and socialize appropriately before PTG | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | rockyg: did you get to any of that? | 20:08 |
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| SpamapS | * SpamapS talk to PTG organizers and confirm what space is dedicated, what is shared, and create a general schedule based on that. | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | THat's done and PTG is done. :) | 20:09 |
| rockyg | Yes and no. Got some time at the Ops midcycle for working on that stuff. | 20:09 |
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| rockyg | PTG, most of the folks interested weren't there. | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | rockyg: do you want to keep that here? I liked the idea. :) | 20:09 |
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| rockyg | Yeah. I should have a report back from the ops midcycle | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | #action rocky_g Resurrect Error Codes and Logging Improvements spec and socialize appropriately before PTG (Carried since Feb 9 2017) | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | cool, going a little off-agenda here | 20:10 |
| cdent | rockyg: are you familiar with the work that ediardo's been doing? | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | #topic PTG Recap | 20:10 |
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| cdent | rockyg: http://172.99.106.155/exceptions/#/ | 20:11 |
| cdent | (I feel I may have mentioned this before, but it's been a long day) | 20:11 |
| rockyg | Oh, yeah. I think so. This is also part of the fault genes wg work. I'm coordinating wht the chair and some of the others in the group. | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/113016.html | 20:12 |
| rockyg | They're part of the spec reboot at the ops midcycle | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | anyway, just wanted to give peopel a chance to comment on my recap email | 20:12 |
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| rockyg | And thanks for the reminder. Need to add the link to the etherpad | 20:13 |
| cdent | SpamapS: it recapped effectively as far as I can recall (not that I was there for all of it, having moved next door) | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | cool | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | #topic OpenStack Specs check-in | 20:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Specs check-in (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:14 | |
| SpamapS | We discussed the DLM spec at the PTG just to check-in. | 20:14 |
| harlowja | ah, DLM | 20:14 |
| harlowja | good ole dlm | 20:14 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: le DLM | 20:15 |
| harlowja | def | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | c'est la DLM | 20:15 |
| rockyg | Tooz! Zookeeper! DLM! Zaqar! | 20:15 |
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| SpamapS | What I think I learned is that we're in a deadlock with DLM | 20:15 |
| harlowja | we need a DLM | 20:15 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | Cinder has added support, and _can_ be deployed with a tooz backend that supports its guarantees | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | But can also survive without one | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | which makes people think its ok to keep pretending DLMs don't exist | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | and to keep implementing liveness/membership/etc. in databases | 20:16 |
| cdent | this is a cultural rather than technical problem? | 20:16 |
| harlowja | ya, i'm unsure what to do here, half of this is education | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | cdent: yep | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | And it kind of wraps back to the nova-compute-api thing too | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | and what you described earlier in #openstack-architecture as the "Nova Hegemony" | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | Which is that if Nova doesn't need it.. everybody can't depend on it. | 20:17 |
| cdent | so really just gotta convince nova it needs a dlm then we can move straight on to step 3 | 20:17 |
| harlowja | ^ feels messed up | 20:18 |
| cdent | very | 20:18 |
| rockyg | we might get Matt to listen to reason. | 20:19 |
| rockyg | Maybe we can get them to add the dependency but never use it? | 20:19 |
| harlowja | ^ also feels messed up | 20:19 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | Well Nova's being reasonable | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | It was architected around not having a DLM | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | To introduce a DLM would likely be to change many things very fundamentally in Nova. | 20:20 |
| harlowja | ya, retrofitting things after the fact == the suck | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | For instance, the resource tracker and host manager would be a great use of Zookeeper/etcd. | 20:20 |
| rockyg | So, don't rearchitect, just have the unused dependency. The other projects have different needs/requirements than nova, but some are also core | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | Replace the db with ZK/etcd and you no longer need to poll the DB or broadcast the hosts usages. | 20:21 |
| harlowja | ya | 20:21 |
| harlowja | a co-worker when i was at yahoo was trying to do that | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | It's pretty fundamental | 20:22 |
| harlowja | as u would expect, as there is only 1 impl thatworks (the DB) it requires unwinding of things to change it | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | I will say, placement being extracted into its own microservice makes it more likely | 20:22 |
| harlowja | and due to slowness of change, that's about a 3 cycle change to do anything | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | anyway | 20:22 |
| harlowja | and the guy left yahoo (along with others) before that, lol | 20:22 |
| rockyg | If we can come up with good reasons for changing, such as performance, scale, etc, maybe we can get a refactor to that way started. | 20:22 |
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| SpamapS | rockyg: that's the thing.. at this point.. Nova's been so hardened as its current implementation.. I don't think we can say it's "better" with a ZK/etcd. | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | We saw a mountain and we climbed it. | 20:23 |
| rockyg | performance, scale, multicloud? any of those work? | 20:24 |
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| harlowja | everyone else is climbing the mountain to, and its a slghtly different mountain, lol | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | Nova's built all of those and made them work at scale without any DLMs | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | and operators have learned to debug that | 20:24 |
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| SpamapS | so all we can do is help Cinder/Ironic/Glance/etc. avoid the same, | 20:24 |
| rockyg | I'm wondering if nested quotas might work better with it... | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | Nested quotas is indeed a challenge with the db | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | so yeah, maybe at some point we can replace the DB w/ DLMs for placement | 20:25 |
| rockyg | camel's nose and all that. | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | Anyway, DLM is still moving slowly | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | Cinder at the head of the pack, and others perhaps not knowing they can follow. | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | We'll keep on checking on it I think. | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-specs | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/ | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | Other than that, are there other cross-project specs we want to track? | 20:26 |
| harlowja | maybe we just need everyone to read https://azmuri.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/george-coulouris-distributed-systems-concepts-and-design-5th-edition.pdf (or equivalent, lol) | 20:26 |
| rockyg | Sounds good to me. How do we make *that* happen?-) | 20:27 |
| harlowja | reading sessions at the summit? | 20:27 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:27 |
| harlowja | story time! | 20:27 |
| harlowja | with little handpuppets | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | nice | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | oh and lets link DLM spec | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/chronicles-of-a-dlm.html | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | anyway, I don't see any other current or pending cross project specs we can/should pick up | 20:28 |
| rockyg | and also quotas: #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/03/441203/11/check/gate-keystone-specs-docs-ubuntu-xenial/c3fc2b3/doc/build/html/specs/keystone/backlog/hierarchical-quota-scenarios.html | 20:28 |
| rockyg | quotas. | 20:28 |
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| SpamapS | That one feels too high level for us to get too involved in. | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | I mean, we had the discussion in our room because there wasn't another place to do it.. | 20:29 |
| rockyg | Need someone with dev rep to push the DLM story. Have you read it? It has a number of schemas in it. | 20:29 |
| rockyg | Well, really, models. | 20:29 |
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| rockyg | I'm worried that it won't get the right ones because of lack of devops in review. | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | I think we set it straight at PTG | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | (and then I almost blew it but sdague fixed me ;) | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | So they seem to be on the right track | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | (quotas I mean) | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | anyway, I'd like to move on | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | #topic Proposal Process Review | 20:30 |
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| SpamapS | We haven't really had any proposals so I think one bit of feedback I'd give ourselves is "tell people they can submit anything and we'll talk about it" | 20:30 |
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| SpamapS | basically "bring us your tired ideas, your teeming masses of complaints yearning to be hard" | 20:31 |
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| cdent | I'd guess a lot of people are waiting to see the process go to its next steps to see if the concept has legs. | 20:31 |
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| rockyg | ++ like the PWG hasn't made that transition yet, so, let's wait and see | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | cdent: yeah, we have to establish more credibility. | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | i shall make 100 more libraries | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | #topic Proposals for work | 20:32 |
| harlowja | and get credibility | 20:32 |
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| SpamapS | We don't have proposals ATM | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | unless somebody wants to 'git review' one they've typed up in anger right now.. | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | #topic Active workstreams | 20:33 |
| * cdent 's got nothin' | 20:33 | |
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| SpamapS | * base-services (ttx) | 20:33 |
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| SpamapS | ttx doesn't seem to be here today, but I will say this one seems to be gaining traction | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | we had a ton of great discussions with Barbican about how to get the ducks in a row so that deployers can embrace key management. | 20:34 |
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| SpamapS | and the DLM spec is basically just an extension of this idea. | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | However, I don't see much formal work having happened recently. | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | * nova-compute-api (SpamapS) | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | I have written up an initial stream of consciousness for analysis, and I'm in the process of editting it for review | 20:35 |
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| SpamapS | My analysis so far suggests we just table this and look for other things to do, as the projects outside Nova dont' seem interested in changing their relationship with Nova | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | and Nova _is_ trying to make nova-compute more of a driver-consuming thing, so the lines are less blurry now and will continue to clarify | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS submit analysis for nova-compute-api as patch to nova-compute-api work stream. | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | #topic Open Discussion | 20:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:37 | |
| SpamapS | Anybody else have stuff to bring up? | 20:37 |
| cdent | no, thanks | 20:38 |
| rockyg | Pi day is coming up | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | indeed | 20:38 |
| rockyg | otherwise, nada | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | #info next meeting will be in 2 weeks on March 23 | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | thanks everyone for continuing to work on things here! | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 20:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 20:39:42 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-03-09-20.01.html | 20:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-03-09-20.01.txt | 20:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-03-09-20.01.log.html | 20:39 |
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| asettle | #startmeeting docteam | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 21:01:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asettle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 21:01 |
| asettle | #topic Roll call :) | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call :) (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:01 | |
| asettle | o/ | 21:01 |
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| loquacities | o/ | 21:01 |
| darrenc | hi o/ | 21:01 |
| iphutch | o/ | 21:01 |
| rluethi | hi | 21:01 |
| jrobinson | Hello o/ | 21:01 |
| alex_bash | o/ | 21:01 |
| asettle | Oh look at all these faces | 21:01 |
| annegentle | hiya | 21:02 |
| asettle | Cool :) i'll give it a few more minutes :) thanks everyone for coming | 21:02 |
| asettle | For anyone that wants to look while we just wait a bit | 21:03 |
| asettle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:03 |
| asettle | Agenda ^^^ | 21:03 |
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| asettle | Okay, let's roll shall we :) | 21:05 |
| asettle | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:05 | |
| asettle | Action 1: darrenc to send out arch-guide action plan to ML! | 21:05 |
| asettle | Darren? :) | 21:05 |
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| darrenc | done | 21:05 |
| asettle | darrenc: Excellent! THank you :) | 21:05 |
| * asettle ticks off | 21:05 | |
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| asettle | Action 2: Team to review aspiers reno patches for docs! | 21:06 |
| asettle | Everyone have a chance to review that? | 21:06 |
| sekelso | Here o/ ...sorry to be late. | 21:06 |
| asettle | sekelso: welcome :) | 21:06 |
| asettle | For those that haven't seen aspiers patches: | 21:06 |
| asettle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437611/ | 21:06 |
| asettle | We are using reno from this release on for release notes :) | 21:07 |
| jrobinson | sekelso, it's no problem, we just started :), no new content yet. | 21:07 |
| loquacities | yep, i merged that :) | 21:07 |
| asettle | Take a look, lemme know if there's any questions regarding reno | 21:07 |
| asettle | Action 3: jrobinson to write spec for the admin guide | 21:07 |
| asettle | Which, jrobinson I believe we have covered thanks to Michael Johnson (Octavia PTL) | 21:07 |
| jrobinson | Thanks to Michael Johnson for taking on the spec work :) | 21:07 |
| asettle | If everyone can take a look: | 21:07 |
| jrobinson | Thanks to Michael, this one is done and under review. | 21:08 |
| asettle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439122/ | 21:08 |
| asettle | jrobinson: :) thanks any other updates or comments from you there? | 21:08 |
| jrobinson | Not at this time. | 21:08 |
| asettle | Thanks for reviewing jrobinson :) really appreciate it | 21:08 |
| asettle | And Action 4: team to review arch guide spec (which was darrenc ) | 21:08 |
| asettle | But I believe we have merged that alos! | 21:08 |
| asettle | also* | 21:08 |
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| darrenc | yep, merged | 21:09 |
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| asettle | Perfect! Kato-san approved the spec today so we're on track | 21:09 |
| asettle | Let's move on! | 21:09 |
| asettle | #topic Countdown to release | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Countdown to release (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:09 | |
| asettle | Jokes, it's 43 weeks away :P | 21:09 |
| asettle | But! We do need to talk about cutting the branch | 21:09 |
| asettle | Which, we will do with the next topic introduction | 21:09 |
| asettle | But I just want ot let everyone know that hadn't been a part of the docs ML discussion | 21:10 |
| asettle | I am in the process of incorporating a governance docs tag into the official release schedule | 21:10 |
| asettle | If anyone wants more information, let me know | 21:10 |
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| asettle | But if anyone is able to HELP me draft this docs-tag, ping me :) | 21:10 |
| asettle | Working with dhellmann here: | 21:10 |
| asettle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-managed-tag | 21:10 |
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| asettle | You can see some of that convo here: | 21:11 |
| asettle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2017-March/009760.html | 21:11 |
| asettle | But, this brings me to my next topic | 21:12 |
| asettle | #topic Install guide/branching | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Install guide/branching (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:12 | |
| annegentle | asettle just a thought, have you also asked the user-committee list to take a look? There was a tags group there | 21:12 |
| asettle | annegentle: good suggestion, I want to draft first before I ask people though | 21:12 |
| asettle | THoughts? | 21:12 |
| annegentle | on whether the install guide is ready for branching? | 21:13 |
| asettle | Hahaha no, sorry, about your original point about the user-committee list | 21:13 |
| asettle | annegentle: ^ | 21:14 |
| loquacities | i'd like to wait to branch the install guide until we have the nova bug sorted out | 21:15 |
| jrobinson | With the install guide, the Nova Cells bug fix is still under review | 21:15 |
| jrobinson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438328/ | 21:15 |
| asettle | Okay, yes, let's move on | 21:16 |
| asettle | I escalated to CRITICAL this morning with the help of the nova team | 21:16 |
| asettle | bmoss: has been working on this for quite some team | 21:16 |
| asettle | I'd like an update so we all understand the issue please :) | 21:16 |
| asettle | (Since you are best positioned) | 21:16 |
| bmoss | sure | 21:16 |
| bmoss | basically Cellsv2 and Placement are required for nova in Ocata | 21:17 |
| bmoss | we're trying to get this documented for the Install Guide | 21:17 |
| jrobinson | Cellsv2 bug: | 21:18 |
| jrobinson | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1405098 | 21:18 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1405098 in openstack-tripleo-heat-templates "Ocata requires additional cellvs2 setup" [High,On_qa] - Assigned to owalsh | 21:18 |
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| bmoss | there was a flurry of activity overnight from some devs on the patch jrobinson linked above | 21:18 |
| bmoss | but it seems there is still some disagreement on exactly how it should all work | 21:18 |
| asettle | So, sort of. cdent and jaypipes have been working on the bug (if they're around, they might be able to help with context) | 21:19 |
| asettle | They believe the instructions with placement and cells are on point (except for a few things) | 21:19 |
| asettle | But there seems to be concerns with libvirt and packaging | 21:19 |
| asettle | But, TL;DR - the instructinos for Ubuntu work, unsure about RDO | 21:19 |
| asettle | (I say sort of not really knowing, just having watched alongside today) | 21:20 |
| bmoss | yep. It looks like we're getting close. | 21:21 |
| asettle | Which, is good! If anyone's able to help with a greenfields install to help, that'd be rad and help out bmoss a lot :) | 21:21 |
| asettle | Anyway, this will stay CRITICAL until we are able to branch | 21:22 |
| asettle | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1663485 | 21:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663485 in openstack-manuals "Document Nova v2 Cells and Placement API" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to John Garbutt (johngarbutt) | 21:22 |
| loquacities | +1 | 21:23 |
| darrenc | I'll test the instructions on ubuntu | 21:23 |
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| asettle | Thanks darrenc :) | 21:23 |
| asettle | Okay, bmoss do you have anything else for us context wise? | 21:24 |
| bmoss | nope, that's it | 21:24 |
| asettle | Super :) | 21:24 |
| asettle | Let's move on toooooooo | 21:24 |
| bmoss | plenty of reading in the patch comments if people are interested. | 21:24 |
| asettle | Oh yeah, that doesn't end ;) | 21:24 |
| asettle | #topic Speciality teams reports: | 21:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Speciality teams reports: (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:25 | |
| asettle | annegentle: you're up with API! | 21:25 |
| annegentle | hollla | 21:25 |
| annegentle | three ls even | 21:25 |
| asettle | Hahhahaa | 21:25 |
| asettle | Do it | 21:25 |
| annegentle | One prominent change is that the Block Storage API v2 is now exactly replicated with v3 and so is now marked Deprecated | 21:26 |
| annegentle | And then I don't know if I ever showed that the list of all OpenStack APIs is now also here: https://developer.openstack.org/#api | 21:27 |
| annegentle | #link https://developer.openstack.org/#api | 21:27 |
| asettle | Awesome :) | 21:27 |
| annegentle | And then you can see them based on support level here: https://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/quick-start/ | 21:27 |
| annegentle | #link https://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/quick-start/ | 21:27 |
| annegentle | Current, Supported, Deprecated | 21:27 |
| asettle | Great :) | 21:27 |
| annegentle | Anyone have anything else to add about API docs? | 21:28 |
| asettle | Not much tbh :) | 21:28 |
| annegentle | For APIs themselves you want to follow along the API WG reports and especially the upcoming strictness levels for backwards compat. | 21:29 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846/ | 21:29 |
| annegentle | ^^ API change guidelines | 21:29 |
| annegentle | That's all I have | 21:29 |
| asettle | Awesome :) will look through | 21:30 |
| asettle | Thank you annegentle :) | 21:30 |
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| asettle | Next up is Kato with the CLI and Config Ref | 21:30 |
| asettle | However I do not have a report from him because I sent out the reminder late (apologies) | 21:30 |
| asettle | But I am concerned that we have outdated refs in the config ref. Kato has mentioned a bug. I haven't heard much else | 21:30 |
| asettle | Anyone else aware? | 21:31 |
| asettle | I also have noted in the last few weeks we do not have instructions on how to update the config ref, only teh CLI ref | 21:31 |
| asettle | Anyone know how to help? | 21:31 |
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| asettle | I know bmoss you were talking about this with Chason ? | 21:33 |
| bmoss | yeah, but I reached the limit of my knowledge and referred him to Kato. :) | 21:33 |
| asettle | Yep okay. I've reached out to Kato and so has Chason so hopefully we'll hear back soon :) | 21:34 |
| bmoss | Chason and I were both having trouble getting the generation script to run. I haven't had a chance to look further into it. | 21:34 |
| asettle | No problem :) hopefully it's just a bug as Kato says and we can fix it to release properly | 21:35 |
| asettle | I'll chase him down a bit on the matter | 21:35 |
| asettle | Anyway, let's move on, we're time short :) | 21:35 |
| asettle | Hypervisor Tuning Guide: Blair Bethwaite | 21:35 |
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| asettle | I have an update from Blair | 21:35 |
| asettle | The Scientific-WG is considering proposing a hypervisor tuning + guide session for the Boston Forum though, so hopefully if that goes ahead it will create some renewed interest. | 21:35 |
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| asettle | And because I"m a special child, I missed iphutch and the HA guide :) | 21:36 |
| asettle | High Availability Guide: Ianeta Hutchinson | 21:36 |
| iphutch | yo! | 21:36 |
| asettle | Sorry bro | 21:36 |
| iphutch | So we have this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440890/13 to establish the new ToC for HA Guide. We are trying to move all content that is relevant in the current guide over to the new ToC. From there, we will be filing bugs to start collaboration with the OSIC DevOps team who have signed up to “adopt-a-guide” and will be helping to provide | 21:36 |
| iphutch | content as SME’s. | 21:36 |
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| asettle | Sweet :) it looks awesome | 21:37 |
| iphutch | ＼(^o^)／ | 21:37 |
| jrobinson | Adopt-a-guide sounds good. Great to hear there are SME's for support here. | 21:37 |
| asettle | Any questinos for iphutch on this one? | 21:37 |
| asettle | jrobinson: so true :) | 21:37 |
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| iphutch | sure is, I'm excited | 21:38 |
| asettle | Okay :) | 21:38 |
| asettle | Installation guides: Lana Brindley | 21:38 |
| asettle | I believe loquacities stepped out to do children things | 21:39 |
| asettle | Her update is: | 21:39 |
| asettle | * waiting to sort out the last couple of bugs before we branch, hopefully next week | 21:39 |
| asettle | Networking Guide: John Davidge | 21:39 |
| asettle | I haven't got anything from John, and he's not online | 21:39 |
| asettle | So moving on to Operations and Architecture Design guides: Darren Chan | 21:39 |
| asettle | darrenc: ^^ | 21:39 |
| darrenc | ok | 21:40 |
| darrenc | a patch to move the draft Arch Guide to docs.o.o has merged. The previous guide has been moved to a "to archive" directory until the archiving process is ready. | 21:40 |
| darrenc | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441736/ | 21:40 |
| darrenc | The Arch Guide working group met this week to rearchitect and scope the design content. We're currently focussed on the storage content. | 21:40 |
| darrenc | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-guide-pike | 21:41 |
| darrenc | There's still a ton of work to do, so ping me or bsilverman_ if you would like to help | 21:41 |
| darrenc | That's all :) | 21:41 |
| asettle | Thanks so much darrenc ! | 21:41 |
| asettle | REally excited to see the 'draft' up and published | 21:42 |
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| asettle | Security Guide: Nathaniel Dillon | 21:42 |
| asettle | This I can speak to :) | 21:42 |
| asettle | hyakuhei and I are in the process of planning the ins and out of the guide | 21:43 |
| asettle | We're talking about dramatically reducing the scope, and introducing new, maintainable, content. | 21:43 |
| asettle | Rob ( hyakuhei ) is also looking at getting a sprint in Austin at some point to get the security team all together and pump out some content | 21:43 |
| asettle | We have the OSIC Security team pumping out some of the main, non-wishlist, bugs at preset | 21:43 |
| asettle | Which will be really helpful in the interim | 21:44 |
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| asettle | Anyone that can help, pipe up! :) | 21:44 |
| asettle | Training Guides: Matjaz Pancur | 21:45 |
| asettle | I don't think Matjaz is here | 21:45 |
| asettle | rluethi_: do you have anything in his stead? :) | 21:45 |
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| rluethi | sorry, I have two irc clients that are differently broken | 21:46 |
| asettle | hahhaa no problem rluethi :) | 21:46 |
| rluethi | I know nothing about training-guides these days. | 21:46 |
| asettle | No problem rluethi we can skip :) | 21:48 |
| asettle | Training labs: Pranav Salunke, Roger Luethi | 21:48 |
| asettle | rluethi hit us up :) | 21:48 |
| rluethi | We have pushed the current state of the Ocata training-labs changeset in | 21:49 |
| rluethi | case others find it useful. The scripts follow the install-guide and | 21:49 |
| rluethi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438328/. The resulting cluster cannot | 21:49 |
| rluethi | launch instances because it fails to find a host (just like others | 21:49 |
| rluethi | following the install-guide have reported). | 21:49 |
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| rluethi | If you have VirtualBox installed (Linux or Mac), this should build | 21:49 |
| rluethi | the basedisk and the cluster and try to launch an instance: | 21:49 |
| rluethi | $ git clone git://git.openstack.org/openstack/training-labs | 21:49 |
| rluethi | $ cd training-labs/labs | 21:49 |
| rluethi | $ git fetch git://git.openstack.org/openstack/training-labs | 21:49 |
| rluethi | refs/changes/78/443778/1 && git checkout FETCH_HEAD | 21:49 |
| rluethi | $ ./st.py -q -b cluster | 21:49 |
| rluethi | $ ./tools/test-once.sh scripts/test/launch_instance_private_net.sh | 21:49 |
| asettle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438328/ | 21:49 |
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| asettle | Thanks rluethi :) | 21:50 |
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| asettle | Last, but not least, Admin and User guides: Joseph Robinson | 21:50 |
| asettle | jrobinson: you're up :) | 21:50 |
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| jrobinson | For the User and Admin Guides, I've been looping through the bug list - there are SDK bugs and the issue of moving the python SDK examples, which was discussed back in Newton. | 21:51 |
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| jrobinson | There are also two telemetry bugs, which I need to contact the liaisons for. | 21:52 |
| jrobinson | The only other point, is reviewing the Admin Guide migration spec. | 21:52 |
| jrobinson | That's all for users guides. | 21:52 |
| asettle | Sweet :) | 21:52 |
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| asettle | Which, we will touch on the spec next | 21:53 |
| asettle | #topic Specs in review | 21:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:53 | |
| asettle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 21:53 |
| asettle | Project-specific Administration Guide: | 21:53 |
| asettle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439122/ | 21:53 |
| asettle | Which is back to jrobinson :) | 21:53 |
| jrobinson | So there are many reviews and comments already. the large part of the spec that needs attention is the docimpact bug situation, and who to report bugs against the new admin guide. | 21:54 |
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| asettle | jrobinson: thanks :) | 21:55 |
| jrobinson | Waiting on another patchset to incorporate the comments into the spec. Looks like still a lot of discussion. | 21:56 |
| asettle | If everyone can take the chance to look and review, that would be appreciated | 21:56 |
| asettle | :) | 21:56 |
| asettle | Sorry, gotta run on. 4 minutes left! | 21:56 |
| asettle | #topic Bug triaging | 21:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug triaging (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:56 | |
| asettle | Next week's triager is... iphutch ! | 21:56 |
| asettle | You start on Monday ;) | 21:56 |
| asettle | Big thanks to darrenc for keeping up for hte last 2 weeks :) | 21:56 |
| asettle | Any issues to report? | 21:56 |
| asettle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams#Bug_Triage_Team | 21:57 |
| darrenc | Don't think so | 21:57 |
| iphutch | \o/ | 21:57 |
| darrenc | Only the gaps in the config ref which I mentioned on the ML | 21:57 |
| asettle | YEs, thank you so much for picking that up! | 21:57 |
| darrenc | no worries | 21:58 |
| asettle | On that note, sign up if you haven't already! | 21:58 |
| asettle | I'd like to see everyone helping out :) | 21:58 |
| asettle | #topic Open discussion | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:59 | |
| asettle | *big sigh* the end | 21:59 |
| asettle | Anyone? :) | 21:59 |
| annegentle | nothing 'round here | 21:59 |
| * asettle watches the tumbleweed | 21:59 | |
| asettle | Wanna sign up for bug triaging annegentle ? :p | 21:59 |
| annegentle | asettle already did | 22:00 |
| asettle | annegentle: zing! | 22:00 |
| annegentle | asettle send you a lonnnng email with background on ops-tags | 22:00 |
| asettle | I just saw :) thank you annegentle | 22:00 |
| annegentle | asettle couldn't remember what they called it | 22:00 |
| asettle | You're on this | 22:00 |
| asettle | I'll have a read in the morning :) | 22:00 |
| annegentle | asettle yeah it's lonnng :) | 22:01 |
| asettle | Hahhaha oh noooo | 22:01 |
| asettle | OH shit | 22:01 |
| asettle | Pardon | 22:01 |
| asettle | Sorry | 22:01 |
| asettle | It's past 10 | 22:01 |
| annegentle | hee | 22:01 |
| asettle | WE GOTT AGO | 22:01 |
| bmoss | fail | 22:01 |
| asettle | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 22:01:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-03-09-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-03-09-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-03-09-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
| annegentle | g'nite! | 22:01 |
| bmoss | o/ | 22:01 |
| asettle | *head desk* | 22:01 |
| asettle | Bye folks! | 22:01 |
| ediardo | \o | 22:01 |
| jrobinson | o/ | 22:01 |
| skelso | Bye! | 22:01 |
| rluethi | bye | 22:01 |
| darrenc | o/ | 22:01 |
| iphutch | see ya! | 22:01 |
| asettle | Thanks everyone :) | 22:02 |
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