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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 6 14:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | ANyone around today? | 14:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| bauzas | \o for 25 mins | 14:01 |
| edleafe | my we're a popular bunch! | 14:01 |
| jroll | \o | 14:01 |
| cdent | ommmmm | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | Well, let's start | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | #topic Specs and reviews | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs and reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| edleafe | Nothing was added to the agenda, so let's go over the current focus | 14:03 |
| edleafe | Traits spec: | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345138/ | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | I was hoping that jaypipes would explain some of his concerns about the API | 14:03 |
| edleafe | I mean, I get it, but it's not totally clear | 14:04 |
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| bauzas | I need a second loop over that spec | 14:04 |
| cdent | you mean on the actions on /traits ? | 14:04 |
| edleafe | yeah | 14:05 |
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| edleafe | cdent: BTW I agree with the idempotent PUT | 14:05 |
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| cdent | that's because it's right ;) | 14:05 |
| diga | o/ | 14:05 |
| edleafe | of course! | 14:05 |
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| cdent | I think the issue with /traits is would you ever want to replace or remove everything? | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | cdent: so should you be able to delete one? | 14:07 |
| edleafe | two? | 14:07 |
| edleafe | ten? | 14:07 |
| cdent | just one, at its own URL? | 14:07 |
| cdent | I'm not a fan of writes on collection URLs | 14:08 |
| edleafe | You mean like PUT /traits? | 14:08 |
| cdent | but I'm not sure if that's jay's issue. I pretty much had the same question (if you see my last comment I was wondering where it went) | 14:08 |
| cdent | yes | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | Well, PUT is pretty clear in its intended behavior. Maybe a POST for the "add to the current set of traits" case? | 14:09 |
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| * cdent shrugs | 14:11 | |
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| * alex_xu waves late | 14:11 | |
| cdent | I don't know what's wrong with singular PUTs to /traints/{trait} | 14:11 |
| cdent | s/nts/ts/ | 14:11 |
| edleafe | cdent: nothing | 14:12 |
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| cdent | edleafe: _only_ singluar puts | 14:12 |
| edleafe | it's a PUT with a JSON body that is destructive | 14:12 |
| edleafe | oh | 14:12 |
| edleafe | that could be tedious :) | 14:12 |
| cdent | we have computers to do tedious things for us (and loops!) and thus make code less complicated | 14:13 |
| edleafe | especially with the PUT /rp/{id}/traits/{trait} format | 14:13 |
| edleafe | where you have to associate traits with RPs | 14:13 |
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| alex_xu | jaypipes and dansmith just worry about the "PUT/DELETE /traits" is unsafe. The user may delete all the traits accidental | 14:14 |
| * cdent shrugs | 14:14 | |
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| edleafe | So we would also have to remove the CLI stuff like: openstack resource-provider trait add $RP_UUID --traits $TRAIT $TRAIT... | 14:15 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: yea, I forget cleanup that | 14:16 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: that's what I'm not clear on. If the traits are not associated with anything, why is that a problem? | 14:16 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: if any trait is in use, return 409 | 14:16 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: yes, I have same thinking with you, it isn't very unsafe | 14:17 |
| edleafe | nothing gets deleted | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe add that discussion in the alternatives section in the spec? would that help? | 14:17 |
| alex_xu | but i'm ok to add those API when found we really same bulk create | 14:17 |
| alex_xu | later | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | 409 for in use seems a nice compromise to me | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | makes it hard to be accidentally destructive, or something | 14:18 |
| * jroll is having a hard time seeing a use case for "delete all custom traits" | 14:18 | |
| cdent | jroll: exacty | 14:18 |
| alex_xu | at least PUT/DELETE /traits is called by the deployer, it isn't something we need in the scheduler report client | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, delete all, yeah, not sure why thats needed | 14:19 |
| edleafe | jroll: what about wanting to create all custom traits at once? | 14:19 |
| jroll | edleafe: I see no deletes there :) | 14:19 |
| edleafe | With a PUT there would be | 14:19 |
| edleafe | (if any existed beforehand) | 14:19 |
| jroll | maybe there's something I haven't read yet | 14:20 |
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| jroll | edleafe: so your use case is "instead of adding to existing traits, a deployer might update custom traits by deleting all and re-adding"? | 14:20 |
| cdent | replacing entire set | 14:20 |
| edleafe | Well, that's the semantics of a PUT | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | what about adding the simple one by one bits now, and adding the bulk later, if we end up needing them? | 14:21 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: that's what cdent was proposing | 14:21 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: +1 to that | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess I am +1 cdent then | 14:21 |
| alex_xu | so +1 to cdent :) | 14:22 |
| jroll | yeah I'm +1 for that | 14:22 |
| edleafe | FWIW, I don't have a use case for this in mind. I just didn't understand the scary destructive potential | 14:22 |
| * jroll now sees the PUT case, just isn't sure it's needed yet | 14:22 | |
| johnthetubaguy | could always push the other ideas into a follow spec, if people want to have that conversation, just makes it non blocking (you probably said that already, sorry) | 14:22 |
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| alex_xu | It is really a API only called once after a new cloud deployment. | 14:23 |
| edleafe | So to summarize: we'll update the spec to include these concerns, and if at a later date we find we need to add those API calls back, we'll handle that in a follow-up spec | 14:24 |
| edleafe | Is that about right? | 14:24 |
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| cdent | sounds right | 14:24 |
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| bauzas | not sure I followed the concerns, so please -W the spec with the consensus | 14:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | keeping it simple sounds good, so +1 | 14:25 |
| edleafe | #agreed We will update the traits spec to remove the mass creation/deletion of traits, and if at a later date we find we need to add those API calls back, we'll handle that in a follow-up spec | 14:25 |
| alex_xu | +1 | 14:25 |
| bauzas | edleafe: thanks for summarizing, I'm good with that | 14:25 |
| edleafe | OK, let's move on | 14:26 |
| edleafe | Traits POC series, starting with: | 14:26 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416007/ | 14:26 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: any concerns or problems with that series? | 14:27 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: thanks, I have three patches up for review | 14:27 |
| alex_xu | I think the only interesting thing is in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441829/ | 14:27 |
| alex_xu | It adds a TraitCache, more than ResourceClassCache, it adds one more cache based on namespace | 14:28 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: So is the concern about using underscore as a namespace separator? | 14:28 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: no, the underscore already get some agreement, currently we already change to use underscore in anywhere | 14:29 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: ok, good | 14:29 |
| alex_xu | the concern I guess is more about whether people like that namespace based cache and whether the data structure is good for people | 14:30 |
| edleafe | Are there any disagreements to discuss? | 14:30 |
| edleafe | heh, you type faster :) | 14:30 |
| alex_xu | really? I type faster :) | 14:31 |
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| alex_xu | Matthew have a suggestion about using a tree of dicts. But he also is looking for more comments. | 14:31 |
| alex_xu | Just introduce the interesting thing at here, and looking for more feedback on the reviews | 14:32 |
| edleafe | OK, then all of us should review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441829/ for opinions on the caching by namespace design | 14:32 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: yea, thanks | 14:32 |
| edleafe | There is also the Nested Resource Providers series, starting with: | 14:33 |
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| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415920/ | 14:33 |
| edleafe | Sort of stagnant right now | 14:33 |
| cdent | no recent activity on that | 14:33 |
| cdent | jinx | 14:33 |
| cdent | I've just realized that nobody bought me a coke in Atlanta :( | 14:33 |
| edleafe | Typing speeds: alex_xu > edleafe > cdent | 14:33 |
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| alex_xu | \o/ | 14:34 |
| edleafe | Let's move on | 14:34 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | Any new bugs to discuss? | 14:35 |
| diga | I have to discuss on notification review | 14:35 |
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| diga | can I ? | 14:35 |
| cdent | sure | 14:35 |
| diga | cdent: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/423872/ about your comment on line 26: | 14:35 |
| cdent | link? | 14:35 |
| diga | These use cases sound a bit made up. I mean they sound reasonable and all, but do we have actual use cases expressed by real humans for these notifications? If so, it would be great if we could capture those | 14:36 |
| diga | cdent: I posted your comment above | 14:36 |
| cdent | Yeah, that's just a general concern about us adding notifications for everything everywhere. Is there actually someone or something that's going to do something with these? | 14:36 |
| diga | cdent: I dont understand "use cases expressed by real humans for these notifications" | 14:36 |
| diga | cdent: can you explain what you want here | 14:37 |
| cdent | sure, so you say "maintainer wants to get the notifications when there are resources..." | 14:37 |
| cdent | My question is _why_ does the maintainer want that? | 14:37 |
| diga | okay | 14:38 |
| edleafe | Or to rephrase: what could they possibly do with that information? | 14:38 |
| * cdent nods | 14:38 | |
| jroll | I know our public cloud would love to get a notification when a compute node comes online or goes offline | 14:38 |
| cdent | jroll: but that's not what this is, this is a proxy for that | 14:38 |
| jroll | the latter you could alert on | 14:39 |
| diga | notifications is for getting actual status of resource on some time interval | 14:39 |
| jroll | cdent: true, do we have notifications in nova for compute_nodes changes? | 14:39 |
| diga | cdent: will update the info on that | 14:39 |
| cdent | diga: the question continues from there: what do you do with that status? | 14:40 |
| cdent | What I'm trying to avoid here is just creating notifications because we can _and_ | 14:40 |
| diga | cdent: got your question | 14:40 |
| diga | okay | 14:40 |
| cdent | avoiding using the activity of placement to substitute for where we need notifications elsewhere that are more directly tied to use cases | 14:41 |
| diga | ok | 14:41 |
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| jroll | I'm thinking this might get real useful in the future; a capacity tracking system could just watch the placement service instead of watching nova, ironic, cinder, neutron, etcetc | 14:42 |
| diga | cdent: I will think through this, come with actual notifications need for use cases | 14:42 |
| cdent | thanks diga | 14:42 |
| jroll | (not sure about today though) | 14:43 |
| diga | cdent: welcome! | 14:43 |
| edleafe | With that, let's move on to... | 14:43 |
| edleafe | #topic Open discussion | 14:43 |
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| edleafe | Anything to discuss? | 14:44 |
| diga | edleafe: what is timeframe for pike-1 release | 14:44 |
| diga | sorry pike-1 cycle | 14:44 |
| jroll | quick question here - we talked about the ironic driver munging instance.flavor at some point to add the resource class, do we need a spec for that? | 14:44 |
| jroll | diga: GET /v1/nodes/<ident>/states | 14:44 |
| jroll | nope, bad paste | 14:44 |
| jroll | https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 14:44 |
| cdent | https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 14:44 |
| jroll | that's the one :) | 14:44 |
| cdent | dammit again | 14:44 |
| jroll | :P | 14:45 |
| edleafe | cdent: too slow | 14:45 |
| * cdent inserts jroll before cdent in typing speed list | 14:45 | |
| diga | :) okay | 14:45 |
| cdent | so much fail | 14:45 |
| edleafe | jroll: that's a good question | 14:45 |
| cdent | jroll: I'd say probably yes | 14:45 |
| edleafe | jroll: I would assume yes | 14:45 |
| * jroll nods | 14:45 | |
| edleafe | oh no, cdent is getting faster | 14:45 |
| * cdent limbers up | 14:46 | |
| jroll | should I just maybe make one spec to cover that and the flavor changes? | 14:46 |
| cdent | that seems a reasonable starting point | 14:46 |
| jroll | well, there's a few flavor changes, let me rephrase | 14:46 |
| edleafe | jroll: I would prefer that, but I'm not Matt | 14:46 |
| jroll | one for the overall "extra specs can override things" and another for the "plan to get ironic using this" | 14:46 |
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| jroll | is what I'm thinking | 14:46 |
| edleafe | "override things"?? | 14:47 |
| jroll | edleafe: e.g. flavor.vcpus=0 + flavor.extra_specs:vcpus:2 => uses 0 for scheduling but 2 for display | 14:47 |
| jroll | er, that's backwards | 14:47 |
| jroll | but that thing :) | 14:47 |
| diga | edleafe: I filed one bug today on nova_cell0 DBNonExistanceError | 14:48 |
| vkmc | pabelanger, hey there! continuing debugging the package-installs problem... this is the build log http://paste.ubuntu.com/24125072/ for the elements I'm working on here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411500/ | 14:48 |
| vkmc | pabelanger, you mentioned something about the version | 14:48 |
| jroll | vkmc: wrong channel? :) | 14:48 |
| vkmc | yes, sorry | 14:48 |
| jroll | edleafe: to be clear, line 61 here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-pike-placement | 14:48 |
| diga | ok | 14:49 |
| edleafe | jroll: ah, I see. Didn't realize that display was an issue | 14:49 |
| diga | if someone has any idea about this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1670262 | 14:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1670262 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "DBNonExistenceDatabase: Unknown database "nova_cell0"" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 14:49 |
| diga | I installed devstack, then while launching instance I get this, this may be the devstack fix | 14:50 |
| jroll | anyway I should be able to start hacking on this next week sometime, so I hope to have some specs to review in 2 weeks at the latest | 14:50 |
| edleafe | jroll: sounds good | 14:50 |
| edleafe | diga: you should probably ask that in the #openstack-nova channel. I know that others have dealt with this | 14:51 |
| diga | edleafe: Sure | 14:51 |
| edleafe | Anything else to discuss? Or should we get back to our lives? | 14:52 |
| cdent | you have a life? | 14:52 |
| edleafe | such as it is | 14:52 |
| * cdent wows | 14:52 | |
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| edleafe | OK, thanks everyone! | 14:53 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 6 14:53:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-03-06-14.00.html | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-03-06-14.00.txt | 14:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-03-06-14.00.log.html | 14:53 |
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| jroll | thanks edleafe :) | 14:54 |
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| dasm | o/ | 15:00 |
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| asingh_ | Hello | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 6 15:01:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| dasanind | o/ | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | hi everyone | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | I updated the page ^ somewhat to reflect things we track more closely | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | Atlanta PTG happened! | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | you can find a recap for upgrades topics touched at: | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113371.html PTG upgrades recap | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | thanks to dasanind and other participants who helped to prepare the report | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | it's a long read I admit, so I guess we can move on and then discuss specifics on a next meeting if needed | 15:04 |
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| electrocucaracha | +1 | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | this meeting is the first after PTG and in the new Pike cycle, so I would like to review action items so far tracked by our team, and see if anything is no longer valid and hence should not be tracked | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | #topic Linuxbridge multinode grenade job | 15:06 |
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| manjeets | o/ | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | the job is not progressing anywhere for quite some time, as can be seen at grafana dashboard | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | #link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=8&fullscreen | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | (it's gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge-multinode-ubuntu-xenial-nv) | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | I was initially tracking it, and once we were even quite close to pass it and make it voting, but then events happened | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | and I haven't found time to get back to it (neither motivation) | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | which makes me wonder - is anyone in the group interested to taking it over? | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | I talked to kevinbenton during ptg and he said he will take it over | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | or will try to | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | the question is, whether anyone is interested from our side to make an effort and update the group about its progress | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | if not, I will need to drop it from the agenda (and move into backlog) | 15:11 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, I can help with that | 15:11 |
| manjeets | but may need some guidance some times | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: ok I assume you take it over | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to follow up with manjeets on next steps for linuxbridge multinode grenade | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | note that ovs grenade multinode is doing well, it's just linuxbridge backend that would need some love | 15:13 |
| manjeets | okay | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: thanks for taking over | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | #topic Mixed server versions | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | to recap for those new to the subteam, it's to support what's defined by the following tag: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/assert_supports-zero-downtime-upgrade.html | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | korzen did some simplified local testing before and validated that Newton -> Ocata upgrade can indeed be executed in mixed mode | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | which is a nice achievement already | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | there are missing bits that we should close though | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | one is online data migration framework | 15:16 |
| manjeets | so are we close to minimal needed | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: yeah, though we will need some more bits, and gating, to get the tag | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | one missing bit is a new neutron-db-manage command to enforce data migration between tables. electrocucaracha proposed one before as WIP: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432494/ | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: what's the status of it, and are you blocked on making progress there? do you expect some more reviews before proceeding with it? | 15:17 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: well I was expecting some comments or anything about it during the PTG | 15:18 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: if that's a good idea or if we can use a different approach | 15:18 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: our major difference against nova is that we use alembic | 15:18 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: which makes the things a little bit different | 15:18 |
| * manjeets reviewlist.enqueue( electrocucaracha 's patch) | 15:19 | |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I think there is agreement it's the right direction, but I get you want some feedback on direction before spending more time on it | 15:19 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: in the other hand, I took a pointless example maybe I can work in a more realistic one | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | #action everyone to review online data migration neutron-db-manage command: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432494/ | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: if you have one, sure | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | another missing bit that we discussed quite extensively during PTG is to tackle differences in API behaviour between different major versions of server in a cluster | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | basically, the concern is that sometimes it may be unsafe to expose new extensions via /extensions/ API before every node is on the new code | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | this is especially problematic in cases where new API is used programmatically (like for new port bindings used by nova) | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | in which case you can't just tell your users to avoid using new API before upgrade is complete | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | so we were thinking about how to tackle that, and came up with some idea where servers will 1) report their supported extensions to others (probably in db); and 2) use that knowledge to enable/disable api extensions as needed. | 15:24 |
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| ihrachys | basically, falling back to the common set of extensions supported by all nodes | 15:25 |
| manjeets | minimal subset b/w mixed versions | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | actually maximum, though common | 15:25 |
| manjeets | ok | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | which in case of new port bindings would mean that nova will not see new extension supported till we are done with full upgrade, at which point it will switch to using it | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | there are details to shuffle and code to write, and it's on me to write it up in specs format | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to spec a mechanism to tackle differences in the list of extensions exposed by multiple mixed server nodes | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | that was merely an update on that happening, and we will discuss it in detail once I have something on gerrit | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | before we switch to the next topic, let's also look at how we tackle gating for the mixed servers feature | 15:28 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, one question | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: sure | 15:28 |
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| manjeets | you said supported extensions | 15:28 |
| manjeets | do servers have to register supported or active ones ? | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | servers register supported but load common only | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | meaning, active <= supported for each specific node | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | and active lists are identical on all nodes (except some caveat that I will need to describe in the spec) | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: does it cover your question? | 15:30 |
| manjeets | yes thanks, | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | ok cool | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | so, gating matters for mixed versions | 15:33 |
| manjeets | spec will cover more details so good atm | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | I think before korzen was tracking gate progress but considering that I hear Artur may leave us for some time, we may need to have another owner | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | dolphm: where are we with mixed api grenade gate coverage for nova? | 15:34 |
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| * electrocucaracha doesn't see dolphm in his desk, maybe is wfh | 15:35 | |
| ihrachys | ok let me follow up with korzen and dolphm after the meeting | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to follow up on mixed server version gating | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | any questions on the topic before we move to OVO? | 15:37 |
| electrocucaracha | nope | 15:38 |
| dasanind | ihrachys: will there be a new gate hi for mixed versions? | 15:38 |
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| dasanind | hi==job | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | dasanind: yes, definitely | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | dasanind: that's the promise of the governance tag | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | we can't claim it until we prove in CI it works | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | atm no project does claim that | 15:39 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, would it be one job demonstrating rolling upgrades and mixed version stuff | 15:40 |
| manjeets | or we need 2 ? | 15:40 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets: that's a very good question actually | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | we can probably run two-node, one is all old, and second is just new neutron-server | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | then we will cover both rpc compatibility as well as database rolling | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | amirite? | 15:41 |
| manjeets | right until they're actually tested | 15:41 |
| manjeets | lol | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | we will still need to have two jobs for some time | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | because we can't safely roll in drastic changes into existing voting jobs | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | but once we are sure it works we will be able to kill the existing one | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | ok let's move to OVO | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:44 |
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| ndahiwade | ihrachys, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370452/ | 15:44 |
| ndahiwade | Is ready for review | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | ok | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | during ptg and right after we finally made some progress on OVO devref | 15:45 |
| electrocucaracha | actually I have other three that are also ready for review | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | thanks to korzen and dasm and others, the patch got first +2: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336518/ | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: understood | 15:45 |
| manjeets | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336518/ | 15:46 |
| manjeets | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353088 | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | ok, ok :) | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | I wanted to discuss something more general | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | several patches was struggling with lock_for_update | 15:46 |
| * electrocucaracha was tented to put links also here | 15:47 | |
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| ihrachys | segmentation allocations (vlan and tunnels), also quotas | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | we discussed the matter with kevinbenton during ptg and tend to agree that instead of exposing lock_for_update semantics through OVO layer, we better kill those remaining places that still use the lock, rewriting it using compare-and-swap technique and such | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | for that matter, kevinbenton already proposed a patch for allocations: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438144/ | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | we will need another one to make progress on quotas | 15:49 |
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| * manjeets will try to handle to it today | 15:49 | |
| ihrachys | I also took another look at tonytan4ever's LIKE support for get_objects: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419152/ and it seems rather fine though we will need the same for delete_objects and count, so a respin will be needed. | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: ok cool | 15:50 |
| tonytan4ever | thanks. | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | #action manjeets to remove lock_for_update for quotas db code | 15:50 |
| tonytan4ever | I am looking forward for comments and adding stuff for delete_object. | 15:51 |
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| ihrachys | ok as for other patches, we will eventually get to them | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | I encourage everyone to cross review | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | any questions before we move on? | 15:52 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: there are 10 mins remanding for this meeting, I'd like to discuss if there is a way that we can focus in a subgroup of patches to have more progress | 15:52 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I mean, all the patches are super important to review, but there is an order on them | 15:53 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: like the segments that you mentioned before | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I think the most important bits right now are actually not OVO (except port bindings work) but online data migration | 15:54 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I was thinking to use the spreadsheet to highlight those ones which we can consider as ready | 15:54 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: that means the OVO patches will keep as they are until we merge other things? | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I tend to review what goes my way, not what's in a spreadsheet. because I forget things and so regular pings help in my case. | 15:55 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: some OVO patches can make progress without waiting on other things, it's not black and white | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | but f.e. quotas are blocked, so we wait there | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: let's put that topic into the agenda for the next meeting. we will need more time to chew it. | 15:56 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I was looking for mechanisms to narrow down and focus the code reviews in order to accelerate things | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: would you mind updating the wiki page? | 15:56 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I can do it | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: come up with one patch every day that your fellows should review NOW and send it my way, and other's way | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | and I will try to prioritize on spot | 15:57 |
| electrocucaracha | +1 ^ | 15:58 |
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| electrocucaracha | actually it was a request from armax a couple of neutron meetings ago | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | my attention span is narrow (I am probably too old already?), you need to bear with me :) | 15:58 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ok I haven't noticed that request. probably missed the meeting or smth. | 15:59 |
| * electrocucaracha 1 minute | 15:59 | |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ok please propose the topic and we will dedicate time | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| manjeets | thanks | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 6 15:59:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-03-06-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-03-06-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| asingh_ | Thanks | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-03-06-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks ihrachys | 15:59 |
| dasanind | thank you | 15:59 |
| ndahiwade | thanks | 15:59 |
| sshank | Thanks | 15:59 |
| tonytan4ever | thanks | 15:59 |
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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 6 16:01:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 16:01 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims,dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero,haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz,lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot, rloo,rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar,therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:01 |
| ansmith | o/ | 16:01 |
| lhx_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:01 |
| shuyingya_m | o/ | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| gcb | welcome guys :-) | 16:01 |
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| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | yo | 16:02 |
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| gcb | hi harlowja_at_home | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi there! | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Nothing from Octavia | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | All is well in Cinder land. | 16:02 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 16:02 |
| electrocucaracha | nothing from neutron | 16:02 |
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| rloo | nothing from ironic | 16:03 |
| gcb | nothing is good news for oslo lol | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Indeed. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | No news is good news. | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | hmmm, think we lost gcb :) | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | or i guess that should be :( | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Nice quiet meeting. | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i think gcb just got a ping timeout :-P | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | or that's what my IRC client says, lol | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | so i'm guessing thats why its quiet, lol | 16:10 |
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| harlowja_at_home | gcb welcome back! | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:10 |
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| gcb | please help review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312233/, seems we need this for adopting new lib | 16:11 |
| gcb | harlowja_at_home: networking is unstable now :( | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Wasn't a party without him. | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | :( | 16:11 |
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| gcb | #poll request olso weekly time | 16:12 |
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| gcb | #link https://framadate.org/9Q15UYR19fzdqhol | 16:12 |
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| gcb | it seems UTC+14 win | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | That site was terrible for a color blind person. :-) | 16:13 |
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| gcb | jungleboyj, agree | 16:13 |
| gcb | johnsom, sorry it's not a good time for you | 16:14 |
| lhx_ | lol | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb would it be useful to alternate, one week in a more asia friendly time | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | and the next week in a more friendly US time? | 16:14 |
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| lhx_ | There is not much difference among colors | 16:15 |
| johnsom | Maybe I just need to find a team member that is east coast time to liaison | 16:15 |
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| gcb | harlowja_at_home, it's open to discuss anything :-) | 16:16 |
| gcb | harlowja_at_home, it's too early for you right ? | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll figure it out :) | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | don't worry about me, lol | 16:16 |
| rloo | 10 vs 8 votes is fairly close | 16:16 |
| rloo | but 10 vs 6 ... not so close | 16:17 |
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| gcb | harlowja_at_home, you are still the superman as I know lol | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | gcb only a tiny superman | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:18 |
| gcb | rloo, does UTC+14 work for you ? | 16:18 |
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| rloo | gcb: so i didn't vote cuz i don't plan on attending oslo meetings in the future. just waiting for someone else to volunteer from ironic... | 16:19 |
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| gcb | rloo, many ironic guys from Europe , I think that works for them | 16:20 |
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| rloo | gcb: yeah. most ironic are east coast or europe now. | 16:21 |
| rloo | gcb: so utc+14 should work | 16:21 |
| rloo | gcb: but on monday, dunno :) | 16:21 |
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| gcb | okay, so let's try to UTC+14, and we can adjust the time as this time if someone need | 16:22 |
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| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 16:23 |
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| SpamapS | I noticed the tooz drivers policy patch got abandoned. | 16:24 |
| SpamapS | I don't really have time to chase it anyway.. | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | sooo i noticed https://github.com/harlowja/failure needs some fixup also | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'll try to get that done this week | 16:24 |
| SpamapS | but it came up during an arch-wg discussion at the PTG | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm, SpamapS was there an overview of that discussion? | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | (seeing as I wasn't there) | 16:24 |
| gcb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240645/ | 16:25 |
| SpamapS | Yeah I sent to the ML.. but basically we just want to make sure we are supportive of DLM adoption | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | 110% support | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:25 |
| SpamapS | Especially since we will at some point discuss DLM as a base-service. | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | well here's the thing, and jd can correct me if i am wrong | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | for tooz drivers, all of them have annotations with https://github.com/openstack/tooz/blob/master/tooz/coordination.py#L41 | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | so users of tooz get to choose what they care about when using the getcoordinator call @ https://github.com/openstack/tooz/blob/master/tooz/coordination.py#L720 | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | so that's sort of the policy we put in place | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | if people don't give a crap about that, then they don't have to use it | 16:27 |
| dims_ | speaking of DLM, have you seen this harlowja_at_home ? https://github.com/coreos/zetcd | 16:27 |
| dims_ | o/ | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_ haven't seen that, ha | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | funny | 16:28 |
| gcb | dims_ o/ | 16:28 |
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| SpamapS | harlowja_at_home: OK, yeah being able to choose your guarantees at initialization time definitely makes the policy less important. | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | SpamapS so ya, there is the policy :-P | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | use it or don't, lol | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | kicking out drivers was the other idea, i'm pretty sure that would cause tooz ----> go out of openstack (via fork or other) | 16:28 |
| SpamapS | harlowja_at_home: since when we have the base-services discussion we can say "a service with a tooz driver that supports guarantees x, y, z" | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | SpamapS that's fine with me | 16:29 |
| SpamapS | Yeah, ok | 16:29 |
| SpamapS | that closes the loop for me, and I support abandoning prose for code. :) | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, that was the code i came up with as a good enough compromise | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | cause kicking out drivers wasn't going to end well... | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dims_ i wonder how fully functional that actually is | 16:31 |
| dims_ | haven't kicked the tires harlowja_at_home. saw it float by late last week | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, interesting | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | now zookeeper folks will just make a etcd wrapper api | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | and we can run this zetcd ontop of that | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | zookeeper on zookeeper | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:32 |
| dims_ | lol | 16:32 |
| SpamapS | wait, is that a joke or forealz? | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | which part? | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:32 |
| SpamapS | zetcd compat | 16:32 |
| SpamapS | :) | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | joke | 16:32 |
| SpamapS | good | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://github.com/coreos/zetcd#zetcd seems real | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | but zookeeper on zetcd on etc on zookeeper is a joke | 16:32 |
| SpamapS | oh weird so there is an etcd that speaks zookeeperese | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems like it (or at least it tries to) | 16:33 |
| SpamapS | that seems like a recipe for destruction since zookeeper has guarantees etcd can't make | 16:33 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya, that's what i was wondering, how compat SpamapS is that really :-P | 16:33 |
| SpamapS | compat enough to delete your whole datacenter accidentally ;) | 16:34 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cattle not pets | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:34 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyone intersted in actually putting https://github.com/harlowja/failure in oslo.messaging and nova (and wherever else the same kind of code got repeated) | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | ie https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/cells/messaging.py#L1871-L1950 (this crap) | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | which also exists in another varation in oslo.messaging | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | and maybe more? | 16:37 |
| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: I'd like to see it in o.m. myself... | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i need to scan all of openstack again for that kind of stuff | 16:38 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i think there are just 2 or 3 implemenations | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | depends on how many people found and copied that code,l ol | 16:38 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: perhaps add it to oslo.serialization? | 16:39 |
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| harlowja_at_home | well the library should have an API that's pretty easy to use, i think it depends on oslo.serialization already (not vice versa) | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Not seeing it in Cinder. | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh nm, https://github.com/harlowja/failure/blob/master/requirements.txt#L10 i guess | 16:40 |
| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: gotcha | 16:40 |
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| harlowja_at_home | though i do need to make https://failure.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ more useful, lol | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj ya, thanks for not duplicating code like nova did, lol | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | +10 :) | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Wish I could take credit. | 16:41 |
| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: ... a documentation 'failure'??? :) Baa-ding! | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:41 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i need like a sexy logo for that also | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | (for the failure library) | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | (just incase people thinking other sexy logos) | 16:42 |
| * jungleboyj is thinking of famous wardrobe failures. | 16:43 | |
| jungleboyj | That or a wheel coming off a car. | 16:43 |
| gcb | harlowja_at_home, a logo like taskflow ? | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | i think taskflow logo i found on some free/open clipart site | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | at least the one @ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow#Summary | 16:44 |
| * harlowja_at_home am not artist | 16:44 | |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:45 |
| gcb | harlowja_at_home, we discussed failure in the PTG, we need more work like documentation, then we can spread it to other projects like Nova | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | agreed | 16:48 |
| gcb | you just created another library, master of library creator lol | 16:49 |
| gcb | thanks | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | 1 million | 16:49 |
| gcb | lol | 16:50 |
| gcb | so any other things ? | 16:50 |
| gcb | harlowja_at_home, each project team has dedicated session about project updates in Boston summit, the new library is a good one to talk | 16:52 |
| gcb | about | 16:52 |
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| harlowja_at_home | gcb sounds good | 16:53 |
| gcb | okay, I wonder we can call it a meeting now | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds good. Thank you. | 16:54 |
| gcb | thanks everyone | 16:54 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 6 16:54:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-03-06-16.01.html | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-03-06-16.01.txt | 16:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-03-06-16.01.log.html | 16:54 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting Barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 6 20:00:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| kfarr | \o/ | 20:00 |
| diazjf-yeah | o/ | 20:00 |
| * dave-mccowan waves | 20:00 | |
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| dave-mccowan | hello barbicaneers, our agenda is here | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:02 |
| redrobot | o/ | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Pike Status | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike Status (Meeting topic: Barbican)" | 20:03 | |
| dave-mccowan | I started a new etherpad to track us through Pike | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-tracker-pike | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | please add any features I may have missed from the first pass of the list | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot, i have your name by the first three on this list. do you have an update for this week? | 20:04 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan no updates this week | 20:04 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan other than, yes, I'm working on that stuff | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | :-) | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | alee i've got your name by two | 20:05 |
| diazjf-yeah | redrobot, reviewed your Simple Crypto Upgrade SPec | 20:05 |
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| dave-mccowan | i think we have a good plan for Pike. | 20:06 |
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| dave-mccowan | Anyone have anything else to bring up on topic of Pike deliverables? | 20:06 |
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| diazjf-yeah | dave-mccowan added the container renaming. Not sure if that is to be included in Pike | 20:07 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:07 |
| redrobot | diazjf-yeah awesome, thanks. | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | renaming container will need to be part of creating a V2 API. I don't think we have a plan for that in Pike at this point. | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | alee notice on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-tracker-pike I have your name by two features. :-) | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan hmm... well, I think the last time we were talking about the ID change we agreed on implementing as a microversion | 20:09 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, egad .. fleeing meeting now .. | 20:09 |
| redrobot | If I understand microversions correctly, then implementing microversions negates the need for new major versions of the API? | 20:10 |
| redrobot | ie, if we land microversions to implement the entity-ID spec, then we will likely never create a v2 | 20:10 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, yeah - and I added one more .. | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot yes. i don't think we can rename "containers" without a major, right? | 20:10 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan we can rename containers in a new microversion | 20:11 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan we will never have a v2 if we implement microversions | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot oh... cool. got it. | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | but there's also a pretty good chance that I don't know what I'm talking about ;) | 20:11 |
| * redrobot is no microversion expert | 20:12 | |
| dave-mccowan | what's our next step on figuring out microversions? | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | i guess we need an API WG consultation? | 20:12 |
| redrobot | I think we start with the client | 20:12 |
| redrobot | the client needs to be able to specify which microversion it is using? | 20:13 |
| dave-mccowan | #action dave-mccowan Get an API WG consultation on microversions | 20:13 |
| redrobot | yeah, wouldn't hurt to hear it straight from the horse's mouth | 20:13 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic Backlog Review | 20:14 |
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| dave-mccowan | we made great progress on our bug back log during the PTG. we're at 47 (down from 72). | 20:14 |
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| dave-mccowan | is there anything we can do to help coordinate reviews to reduce this? | 20:15 |
| dave-mccowan | i can set up an etherpad, or something, if that will help. or i can just remind us all each week. :-) | 20:15 |
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| kfarr | To coordinate reviewing the bug backlog or to coordinate reviewing the merge request backlog? | 20:16 |
| kfarr | or both? | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr both/either. i'd like to see both backlogs shrink. | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | would a regular google hangout to review as a group help? | 20:17 |
| redrobot | I think we already do a good job of asking for reviews during these meetings | 20:18 |
| kfarr | I still have a hard time getting reviews on my patches :( | 20:18 |
| redrobot | I think a google hangout every couple of weeks to triage bugs woud be awesome | 20:18 |
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| diazjf-yeah | redrobot, I like that idea | 20:18 |
| redrobot | good job of asking for reviews != good job of doing reviews :-\ | 20:19 |
| dave-mccowan | OK, i'll look to set something up in a week or so. in the meantime, everyone please check the queues. | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic tempest testing | 20:20 |
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| kfarr | The image signing scenario almost went in: https://review.openstack.org/431241 | 20:21 |
| kfarr | but something updated versions, and now the gate is broken | 20:21 |
| kfarr | so.. we're working on that | 20:21 |
| kfarr | And there's a patch up for the volume encryption scenario tests: https://review.openstack.org/439182 | 20:21 |
| dave-mccowan | doh! | 20:21 |
| dave-mccowan | when multiple scenarios are in, do the all run under the same gate job? | 20:23 |
| kfarr | Yes, they should | 20:23 |
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| kfarr | There's one gate job that runs devstack with barbican (and the encryption features enabled) | 20:24 |
| kfarr | and runs the barbican api tests along with any scenario that are being added | 20:24 |
| kfarr | the image signature verification one was the first one | 20:24 |
| dave-mccowan | cool | 20:25 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Operators / OSIC | 20:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Operators / OSIC (Meeting topic: Barbican)" | 20:26 | |
| dave-mccowan | anything new from the operators or OSIC? | 20:26 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic any other business | 20:27 |
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| dave-mccowan | i have lots of extra Porcupine stickers from the PTG. PM me with your address and how many you want and I'll get them out to you. | 20:28 |
| diazjf-yeah | dave-mccowan will email you tonight. Thanks dude | 20:28 |
| dave-mccowan | please pass them on to Barbican alums around you | 20:28 |
| dave-mccowan | we can use remaining time for triaging and reviews. :-) | 20:29 |
| dave-mccowan | post links to any that you think are high priority or needs discussion. | 20:30 |
| kfarr | Here's an easy one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437056/ | 20:32 |
| kfarr | Here's a new Castellan feature that might require discussion: https://review.openstack.org/412558 | 20:32 |
| kfarr | Here's one that adds some new functional tests (easy): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436244/ | 20:33 |
| diazjf-yeah | kfarr, I'll get to all those tonight. Its been a while since I last reviewed some. | 20:33 |
| kfarr | This one updates the sample local.conf.example file (easy): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437170/ | 20:33 |
| kfarr | I got the KMIP gate working (!!!) would be nice to get this in: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437747/ | 20:34 |
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| dave-mccowan | thanks kfarr! we'll get on those. :-) | 20:38 |
| dave-mccowan | Thanks everyone. See you later. | 20:40 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 6 20:40:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-03-06-20.00.html | 20:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-03-06-20.00.txt | 20:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-03-06-20.00.log.html | 20:40 |
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| leong | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 6 21:00:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is leong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| leong | #topic Rollcall | 21:00 |
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| leong | hello | 21:00 |
| GeraldK | o/ | 21:00 |
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| leong | anybody here for product wg meeting? | 21:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:00 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:00 |
| AndyU_ | yep | 21:01 |
| leong | good to see you all here! | 21:01 |
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| AndyU_ | good to see you too! | 21:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agenda? | 21:02 |
| leong | i think we have enough quorum to move forward this meting..:) | 21:02 |
| leong | today agenda can be found here | 21:02 |
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| leong | #link Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
| leong | as per usual, let's review last week action items, if any.... | 21:03 |
| leong | #topic Review action items | 21:03 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 21:03 |
| leong | last week minutes should be this one: | 21:03 |
| leong | #link Last week minute: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-02-27-21.01.html | 21:03 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think I sent out info on mid cycle meeting logistics | 21:04 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | All is also recored at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-pwg-meetup | 21:04 |
| leong | thanks Arkady... | 21:04 |
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| leong | GeraldK, do you want to update your action item from last week? | 21:05 |
| leong | * geraldk to update the gap analysis of capacity management with TDB for those requirements that not currently working on. | 21:05 |
| GeraldK | the user story has been updated. | 21:05 |
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| GeraldK | we got some comments by Arkady on the content of the gap analysis | 21:06 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | from tracker PRs I have one AI to bring here - on nomenclature of use cases in tracker format | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks GeraldK | 21:06 |
| GeraldK | we are working to resolve/discuss on the comments. | 21:06 |
| leong | is this the one? | 21:07 |
| leong | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434577/ | 21:07 |
| GeraldK | leong: yes | 21:07 |
| leong | #link Gap Analysis for Capacity Mgmt: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434577/ | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | concur | 21:07 |
| leong | is there anything that need to be addressed in this meeting with respect to the Capacity Mgmt Gap analysis | 21:08 |
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| GeraldK | no, I think we can handle this offline. arkady, you agree? | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | All gap analysis and trackers to be consitent. | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Agree that we can do it offline and if need to bring up next week in f2f | 21:09 |
| leong | sound good.. thanks GeraldK and Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:09 |
| leong | I have already set up the doodle link for the Forum planning meeting | 21:09 |
| * leong digging the link | 21:09 | |
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| leong | #link Doodle Link for Forum Planning Meeting: http://doodle.com/poll/dff2nvubd4ncqgvw | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will respond there | 21:10 |
| leong | if anyone volunteer to participate in the Forum planning meeting, please indicates your availability on the above link | 21:10 |
| leong | thanks! | 21:10 |
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| mrhillsman | o/ | 21:11 |
| mrhillsman | have to run to doctor though | 21:11 |
| mrhillsman | so will catch up via log | 21:11 |
| leong | I have also send out the email to invite volunteer to help on the Roadmap update... | 21:11 |
| leong | hi heidijoy and mrhillsman | 21:11 |
| heidijoy | ^^ thank you for that! We have a good set of volunteers. | 21:11 |
| jamemcc | o/ | 21:11 |
| heidijoy | Hello @leong and apologies for joining late. | 21:11 |
| leong | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2017-March/001799.html | 21:12 |
| jamemcc | I'm here also if I can help | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Leong is PWG Process Planning for Forum in Eastern time? | 21:12 |
| leong | Arkady_kanevsky: that depends on your Doodle set up, my default timezone is Pacific on my Doodle | 21:12 |
| GeraldK | Arkady_Kanevsky: usually, Doodle is converting the times to your time zone. | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | cool. thanks. | 21:13 |
| leong | the doodle link should indicate that on your screen | 21:13 |
| leong | jamemcc, that is great if you can help on the roadmap update.. | 21:13 |
| leong | jamemcc: can you sign up here: | 21:13 |
| heidijoy | For the roadmap, we have Leong, Shamail, Kenny, Arkady, Megan and Gerald volunteering so far. | 21:14 |
| leong | #link Roadmap Update: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PTLupdatesBoston | 21:14 |
| heidijoy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PTLupdatesBoston | 21:14 |
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| AndyU_ | I will probably volunteer to help with the roadmap update; just waiting until after the meetup assuming I'll know more about it | 21:14 |
| leong | AndyU_: ok.. no problem.. do contact us if you have questions on the roadmap updates | 21:15 |
| heidijoy | I'll provide an update there. We need to take action to provide PTLs with an outline for their "project update" talks in Boston. Also, we had 32 projects sign up to present, which is great! | 21:15 |
| heidijoy | Presenting: Barbican Blazar (formerly Climate) Cinder Designate Docs Glance Heat Horizon Ironic Keystone Kolla Kuryr Magnum Manila Mistral Neutron Nova Octavia OpenStack-Ansible OpenStack Client QA Rally Sahara Security Solum Swift Telemetry TripleO Trove Vitrage Zaqar Zun | 21:15 |
| leong | that's a lot to cover... | 21:16 |
| heidijoy | Not presenting a project update are Congress (they might supply info later), Cue, Murano, Watcher. | 21:16 |
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| heidijoy | I have a plan that will make MUCH lighter work than past cycles. | 21:16 |
| heidijoy | Also our survey pre-Ocata release helped aggregate a lot of the feedback we used to do manually. | 21:16 |
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| heidijoy | When would the PWG ideally like to release the next community-generated roadmap? | 21:17 |
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| leong | heidijoy: i believe we need to release the roadmap for the Boston summit? | 21:17 |
| heidijoy | Excellent. Then we have the raw materials to do so now. OK if we discuss further in Milan or do we need to dig deeper during this meeting? | 21:18 |
| leong | i think we can discuss that in Milan ? thought? | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Heidi, do we follow CPL owner for drive PTL presentation? | 21:19 |
| heidijoy | +1 | 21:19 |
| AndyU_ | works for me | 21:19 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 for Milan | 21:19 |
| leong | heidijoy: maybe you can provide/email us the "todo" list for roadmap update | 21:19 |
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| heidijoy | @arkady_kanevsky I'm not sure about CPL status. Yes, I can email the "to do" list - do you want it before or during the Milan meetup? | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | email before Milan. discuss at Milan | 21:20 |
| leong | it will be great if you can send the "to do" list prior to Milan? | 21:20 |
| heidijoy | OK! | 21:20 |
| leong | heidijoy: thanks! | 21:20 |
| heidijoy | np | 21:20 |
| leong | ok.. moving on.. | 21:20 |
| leong | i think shamail already send out the email about group dinner at Milan | 21:21 |
| leong | please reply to shamail emai | 21:21 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes. it is also on launchpad for mid-cycle | 21:21 |
| leong | cool... | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | here is current list of dinner folks - Heidi Joy, Debbie, Arkady, Leong, Shamail, Melvin, Ala, Isaac, Rocky, Anni, Andy, Hank | 21:22 |
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| leong | looks like an interesting party :) | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | families welcome. One alergy warning so far | 21:22 |
| heidijoy | Prizes for the best costumes, right?!?! | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-pwg-meetup | 21:23 |
| AndyU_ | haha | 21:23 |
| leong | lol | 21:23 |
| leong | ok.. let's move on.. | 21:23 |
| leong | #topic "open" gerrit review | 21:23 |
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| GeraldK | there had been some discussion in the tracker reviews on the tracker IDs: can we also quickly discuss this here (or do you prefer to handle it f2f next week)? | 21:24 |
| leong | geraldk: do you mean the "unique id" for each tracker? | 21:24 |
| GeraldK | leong: yes. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426613/ | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | that. and do we create tracker before we complete gap analysis | 21:24 |
| leong | i think the tracker tool will take care (auto-generate) the id, but i just need to confirm with the tool developer | 21:25 |
| leong | #action Leong to check if the tracker tools will auto-generate id, to confirm with tool developer | 21:26 |
| GeraldK | leong: okay. in that case we should update the template | 21:26 |
| leong | yes.. once i confirm that, i will reply on gerrit | 21:26 |
| GeraldK | thanks leong. | 21:26 |
| leong | i would like to talk about this changes: | 21:26 |
| leong | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426613/ | 21:26 |
| leong | I can't see anything to track in this file. I don't think we need a tracker file to say "gap analysis"? | 21:26 |
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| GeraldK | i would be okay to create the tracker before the gap analysis is complete, but would also avoid having empty trackers | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK with that | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will than abandon refstack congig tracker and need more review for db_hygeane one | 21:28 |
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| leong | so are we agreed to abandon refstack tracker for now? | 21:28 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | The hard part of refstack congig htat it really requires new projects that will be used by refstack and rally. | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Not sure how ot record that and how to propose it. | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Maybe we can discuss it at Milan | 21:30 |
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| leong | arkady_kanevsky: can you bring that up during the Milan meeting? | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:31 |
| leong | and let's abandon that changes for now? | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Yes. | 21:32 |
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| leong | ok.. thanks! | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Added Process of brining new project based on initial gap analysis for mid-cycle topics | 21:32 |
| leong | #agreed Arkady_kanevsky to abandon refstack tracker as there is nothing to track for now | 21:32 |
| Rockyg | also might be worthwhile dropping in on the refstack meetin tomorrow at 11am pst | 21:32 |
| leong | thanks arkady | 21:32 |
| leong | anyone joining the refstack meeting? | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thanks RockyG | 21:32 |
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| leong | on the DB hygience user story | 21:33 |
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| leong | #link DB-hygience user story: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428571/ | 21:33 |
| leong | is there a gap-analysis document on that? | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | partial gap analysis wiht a few tracking bugs/blueprints. On my plate to create more | 21:34 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | no gap analysis doc yet. | 21:34 |
| leong | can we ensure we have gap-analysis documented prior to tracker..(though both may happen at the same time) | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | can do that. | 21:34 |
| leong | even a partial gap analysis is also fine.. | 21:34 |
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| leong | mark other requirements as "tbd" if still work in progres | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will do. Thanks | 21:35 |
| leong | #action Arkady_Kanevsky to add gap-analayis document for DB-hygience user story | 21:36 |
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| leong | Hieu LE submitted a new user story about "traceability" | 21:36 |
| leong | #link Traceability User Story: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440309/ | 21:36 |
| leong | please review and provide feedback to the traceability user story.. it is also somehow related to "logging" (but is not a logging) | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will review later this week | 21:37 |
| leong | is more about correlation and faciliate root-cause analysis | 21:37 |
| GeraldK | will review in next few days | 21:38 |
| leong | ok.. anyone else has any item to review on gerrit? (before we move on to next topic) | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | brings a question. If we propose that this or other story is really an extension to existing one, what is the process for it? | 21:38 |
| leong | if two story are related, specify them under "related user story" section | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Updating extsing story, and gap analysis and tracker? | 21:39 |
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| Rockyg | From my perspective, the original logging story is some fundamentals for logs. This one would enhance logs for microservices | 21:40 |
| leong | rockgy: this is not about microservices, is about logs for each openstack services | 21:40 |
| Rockyg | This user story could ref the original log one. Sort of cascading user stories.... | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | refstack tracker abandon | 21:41 |
| Rockyg | Well, it's about logs, but also about tracing requests through all services that act to complete request | 21:41 |
| leong | let's review that offline over gerrit... | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | that is the core question Rocky. | 21:41 |
| leong | i want to spend some time today to talk about Boston Forum | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | it changes the definition of complete. | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 leong | 21:42 |
| leong | #topic Boston Forum | 21:42 |
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| leong | the Forum is open up to brainstorm session proposal now... | 21:42 |
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| leong | any topics that we want to propose at Forum from Product WG? | 21:42 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I would like to bring discussion on intergrated release - not individual project releases close in time | 21:43 |
| leong | see email from Shamail here | 21:44 |
| leong | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2017-February/001767.html | 21:44 |
| leong | and refer to this etherpad | 21:44 |
| leong | #link UC Forum Brainstorm sessions: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming | 21:44 |
| leong | i notice this "Logging across all projects" on the above etherpad line28 | 21:45 |
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| leong | btw, generally the sessions can be 1. Strategic 2. Cross-project OR 3. Project-specific | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks Leong. Something to think about | 21:46 |
| jamemcc | The item I'm aware of from LCOO brainstorming I just added "Cloud Native Principles/Microservice approach for OpenStack" | 21:47 |
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| leong | please also include a brief abstract (2 -3 sentences) and contact info (irc handle or email) | 21:48 |
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| leong | i assume the formal submission process for the Forum will start March 14, mrhillsman, do you have any insights? | 21:48 |
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| leong | and deadline for Forum session proposal is March 26 | 21:49 |
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| Rockyg | mrhillsman, dropped off for another appt. | 21:50 |
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| AndyU_ | Leong: That's what I heard... but I heard it from you | 21:50 |
| leong | btw, i propose a "track-chair" session (Summit Track Selection Process) thought not directly link to PWG but more related for Track-Chair | 21:50 |
| leong | LOL AndyU_! | 21:50 |
| AndyU_ | ;) | 21:51 |
| leong | those dates was previously announced, but i just want to make sure if i didn't miss any updates/changes to the dates | 21:51 |
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| leong | ok.. so folks, please think about the session for Forum, feel free to use the mailling list for discussion... | 21:52 |
| * leong last 8 minutes | 21:53 | |
| leong | #topic Midcycle planning | 21:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle planning (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:53 | |
| leong | just want to make sure we are good toward PWG midcycle meeting | 21:53 |
| leong | #link PWG Midcycle Planning Etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-pwg-meetup | 21:53 |
| leong | i will go through the PWG midcycle Agenda with Shamail again | 21:54 |
| leong | we have quite a lot to cover within two days | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will see you all in Milan next Monday | 21:54 |
| leong | Arkady.. is there a way to contact you at Milan? eg. cell phone? | 21:54 |
| AndyU_ | I just hope I can find it! :) | 21:54 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes my cell should work. texting is best. WIll add it to launchpad | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | But this will be my first time at that facility also... | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | also will add local phone. | 21:56 |
| leong | so i assume we will go in and tell the security that we have an appointment with Arkady? | 21:56 |
| leong | i am kind of avoiding putting my cell phone on public etherpad and irc :-) | 21:56 |
| leong | i will email individually if you need my cell :) | 21:57 |
| leong | there will be no irc meeting next week then... :) | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes. They will be expecting you. I will gave them the list of attendess tomorrow. | 21:58 |
| leong | do we need a voice bridge for the Milan meeting? anyone plan to dial in remotely? | 21:58 |
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| MeganR | I'm not, time difference will be tough, but it can also be really hard to hear and follow along. I'll catch-up when you are all back! | 21:59 |
| leong | thanks MeganR | 21:59 |
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| leong | #agreed no IRC meeting on March 13th due to PWG Milan Midcycle Meetup | 21:59 |
| GeraldK | i will be in Japan next week, so also it would be difficult for me to dial in | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We will have phone. Let me know if we need phone bridge. We can decide it on the spot | 21:59 |
| leong | i will make a summary report at the end of the meeting then... :) | 22:00 |
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| MeganR | Thank you Leong! | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | need to leave. | 22:00 |
| leong | we can use the Intel voice bridge facility if needed | 22:00 |
| GeraldK | leong, that would be great. thx | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thanks everybody and see you in Milan | 22:00 |
| leong | alright | 22:00 |
| leong | i think we are good.. | 22:00 |
| heidijoy | We'll do an excellent etherpad during the meeting. | 22:00 |
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| MeganR | Safe travel everyone! | 22:00 |
| heidijoy | Safe travels! | 22:00 |
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| leong | see you all at Milan for those attending.. take care all! | 22:00 |
| AndyU_ | indeed. safe travels. | 22:00 |
| Rockyg | see lots of you there! wiil miss the rest | 22:01 |
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| leong | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 6 22:01:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-03-06-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-03-06-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-03-06-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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| jeblair | hi zuul folks! | 22:01 |
| fungi | such structured zulishness | 22:01 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 22:01 |
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| jeblair | courtesy ping: mordred clarkb SpamapS Shrews rcarrillocruz jhesketh | 22:02 |
| Shrews | I am Zuul | 22:02 |
| SpamapS | there is no Shrews | 22:02 |
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| jhesketh | o/ | 22:02 |
| Shrews | I'm like Groot, but Zuulier with less bark | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 6 22:03:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:04 |
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| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-02-27-22.03.html | 22:04 |
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| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:04 | |
| jeblair | please review lists in storyboard; make sure things are relevant, add in what we're learned. some items may have been reprioritized, though likely not significantly | 22:05 |
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| jeblair | i guess that was addressed to everyone | 22:05 |
| jeblair | i did quite a bit of that. we'll talk about it later in the progress summary topic | 22:05 |
| jeblair | mordred we think is working on blog post covering things that happened at PTG, also laying out info / vague roadmap for community | 22:05 |
| jeblair | we think that happened :) | 22:05 |
| jeblair | there were even followup questions | 22:06 |
| jeblair | rbergeron to draft up zuul v3 status mail for ppl to poke at, then send. and then just be shippin' in weeks afterwards. | 22:06 |
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| SpamapS | That happened | 22:06 |
| jeblair | indeed | 22:06 |
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| fungi | and an excellent read it was | 22:06 |
| jeblair | we should try to remember to sprinkle lots of #info, etc, in the meeting to help with that | 22:06 |
| jeblair | though hopefully rbergeron will show up because she's really good at that | 22:07 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Nodepool | 22:07 |
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| jeblair | Shrews: what's the latest? | 22:07 |
| Shrews | I fixed a thing | 22:08 |
| jeblair | the 'out of quota' thing? | 22:08 |
| Shrews | yeah | 22:08 |
| jeblair | is that running in infra 'production'? | 22:08 |
| Shrews | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000886 | 22:08 |
| Shrews | not that i'm aware of. just merged today | 22:08 |
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| Shrews | and we now group nodes for a request within the same AZ | 22:09 |
| pabelanger | I haven't restarted nl01.o.o in some time | 22:09 |
| jeblair | #action Shrews restart nodepoolv3 launcher to pick up quota fix | 22:09 |
| jeblair | Shrews: mind if i action you on that? :) | 22:09 |
| Shrews | jeblair: better to ask forgiveness than permission, eh? | 22:09 |
| Shrews | sure | 22:10 |
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| Shrews | just need to add back stats and do leaked node cleanup, then i think nodepool will be complete | 22:10 |
| Shrews | if folks stop finding bugs, that is | 22:10 |
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| jeblair | no promises | 22:10 |
| pabelanger | Shrews: ssh-keyscan too :) | 22:11 |
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| jeblair | #info nodepool allocation algorithm improved to handle at-quota case | 22:11 |
| jeblair | #info remaining tasks for nodepool feature parity: leaked node cleanup and statsd support | 22:11 |
| Shrews | pabelanger: is that a requirement or a nice-to-have? | 22:11 |
| pabelanger | Shrews: good question. I'd like to have it but will defer to jeblair | 22:11 |
| jeblair | i think we should get it in early... most of the code is already written (just in the wrong program), and it's a (minor) change to the nodepool-zuul protocol, so easier to do now | 22:12 |
| Shrews | jeblair: which program does it reside in now? | 22:13 |
| jeblair | but i'd rank it after the other things | 22:13 |
| jeblair | Shrews: it's in zuul | 22:13 |
| jeblair | Shrews: now that i say that, i don't actually know whether we want to run ssh-keyscan, or use paramiko. | 22:13 |
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| jeblair | so er, the code may not mostly be written. but either way, it should not be much. | 22:14 |
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| jeblair | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000897 | 22:14 |
| Shrews | If no one else jumps on it, I'll do it at the end of the other tasks. | 22:15 |
| jeblair | that's tagged low-hanging-fruit, btw. | 22:15 |
| jeblair | so a good opportunity for someone else to jump on it | 22:15 |
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| jeblair | continuing on the nodepool topic, i was hoping that mordred would be here to clue us in on the status of the shim | 22:16 |
| jeblair | because i think once we're at feature parity, we should be in a position to consider using it and getting scale testing | 22:16 |
| jeblair | does anyone else know the status of that? | 22:16 |
| Shrews | I haven't seen anything other than the 2 current reviews he has up | 22:17 |
| Shrews | and they've been idle a while | 22:17 |
| jeblair | i see changes up, but they fail tests, so i'm not sure if they're ready for review or not... | 22:17 |
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| Shrews | jeblair: they will always fail tests. i think we'll have to disable them | 22:17 |
| Shrews | that was the plan, I believe | 22:17 |
| pabelanger | not sure either | 22:18 |
| jeblair | ah, well, that still needs to be done then, since we can't merge them until then :) | 22:18 |
| jeblair | the changes still have lots of todos | 22:18 |
| jeblair | moving on... | 22:19 |
| jeblair | is rcarrillocruz, clarkb, or anyone else able to talk about devstack-gate roles refactoring? | 22:19 |
| rcarrillocruz | would be good to get reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435933/ | 22:20 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Devstack-gate roles refactoring | 22:20 |
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| jeblair | #link need reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435933/ | 22:20 |
| rcarrillocruz | thx! | 22:20 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz, maybe we need clarkb to review that? | 22:21 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah, for sure | 22:21 |
| jeblair | #action clarkb review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435933/ | 22:22 |
| jeblair | anyone else with knowledge of ansible and/or networking please take a look at that :) | 22:22 |
| Shrews | jeblair: fwiw, my action item is complete. nodepool-launcher restarted on nl01 | 22:23 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: thanks | 22:23 |
| jeblair | Shrews: gee, i think we have to remember that until next week. ;) | 22:23 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul test enablement | 22:23 |
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| Shrews | i'm guaranteed to forget | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | I saw another batch land the last few days | 22:24 |
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| jeblair | I've been working with cullen taylor (nick?) on test_tags | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | I believe we have 25 outstanding skips, with something like 10 in review/todo | 22:25 |
| SpamapS | Cullen == eggshell | 22:25 |
| jeblair | cool | 22:25 |
| jeblair | i think i'm getting to the point where i'm ready to say we should drop all the layoutvalidator tests | 22:25 |
| SpamapS | The swift test is also still blocked on auth being implemented | 22:25 |
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| jeblair | when i added the 'report config errors' changes, i also added (minimal) tests for those, and i think they cover the same ideas in spirit | 22:26 |
| jeblair | so let's say i'll give the layoutvalidator a once-over and see if it's testing some class of error that would still apply but is not covered in the new config error reporting, and otherwise remove it | 22:26 |
| SpamapS | Yeah that should chip a few away | 22:27 |
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| jeblair | #action jeblair consider removing layoutvalidator and tests | 22:27 |
| SpamapS | note that I think 2000773 is so big it crashes firefox | 22:27 |
| SpamapS | I can only really interact with it with a fresh Firefox | 22:27 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: I wonder if we should just start a second one and maybe report bugs in storyboard | 22:29 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: jhesketh and i also spoke at the ptg about the swift support, and i think we came to the conclusion that it's a good candidate for removal in its current form, but we should look into adding some 'standard library' type support for it (since it's very much a potentially useful artifact publishing mechanism) | 22:29 |
| SpamapS | OH | 22:29 |
| SpamapS | yeah that would be nice to do in ansible | 22:29 |
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| jeblair | jhesketh: hopefully i characterized that correctly? | 22:29 |
| fungi | agreed, anything that can be safely extracted into ansible playbooks simplifies zuul itself | 22:30 |
| jhesketh | Yep. There isn't any obvious reason to special case it | 22:30 |
| fungi | even if the playbooks end up in a sort of stdlib | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | btw the best count I can come up with is 25 @skips left, 7 in review. | 22:30 |
| jhesketh | It's the same class citizen as any other uploader this way | 22:30 |
| jeblair | so those two things should knock the total down a bit | 22:31 |
| jhesketh | But does need the auth stuff for the signing key | 22:31 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: yeah, i think we can implement that with the auth mechanism we have planned | 22:31 |
| jhesketh | Exactly :-) | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | cool, so the focus should be on auth | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | wasn't rcarrillocruz working on that? | 22:32 |
| jeblair | yes, there's a wip for part of it here: https://review.openstack.org/406382 | 22:33 |
| SpamapS | k | 22:34 |
| jeblair | but i know he's busy and has mentioned that if we need someone to take it over for him, we can reassign it [speaking for rcarrillocruz since i know it's late there...] | 22:34 |
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| SpamapS | probably another week or two before we _have_ to have it to make progress | 22:34 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: sounds about right | 22:35 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i also promised to triage the remaining skips. i haven't done that yet | 22:35 |
| jeblair | #action jeblair remove swift and layoutvalidator as appropriate | 22:35 |
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| jeblair | #action jeblair triage remaining skipped tests | 22:35 |
| SpamapS | mmmmmm less skips | 22:35 |
| jeblair | anything else on tests? | 22:36 |
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| jeblair | rbergeron: hopefully i #'d enough things to help :) | 22:37 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul sample jobs | 22:37 |
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| jeblair | oh i should have mentioned this earlier | 22:37 |
| jeblair | i swapped out the 'zuul ansible running' status updates for this | 22:37 |
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| jeblair | since i think we're more or less running ansible now.... | 22:38 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger has started an effort to create some base jobs | 22:38 |
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| jeblair | this is an extension of the work at the ptg | 22:38 |
| jeblair | and i think that eventually it will serve two things: the foundation for our jobs in openstack, as well as the basis of the thing we keep calling the 'standard library' | 22:39 |
| pabelanger | yup, see +topic:zuulv3-ansible | 22:39 |
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| jeblair | so i'd like to get lots of folks looking at this from a number of different perspectives: | 22:39 |
| jeblair | will this work for openstack-infra? will this work for other zuul users? | 22:39 |
| jeblair | does it make sense to an ansible user? does it make sense to a random developer who isn't particularly interested in using ansible per se? | 22:40 |
| jeblair | some of these are contradictory -- not all aspects have to be all things to all people. but knowing what audience each job or component is aiming for will help evaluate it. | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: is the idea that a one-time automatic conversion can be seeded by these base jobs? | 22:41 |
| pabelanger | Right, it is heavily geared towards openstack-infra right now. We are still depending on bash scripts for most things | 22:41 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: partly yes -- for instance, one class of jobs "gate-.*-python27" will be an automatic transition to a hand-crafted "tox-py27" job | 22:41 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: other automatic transitions will be more ugly -- a random job that runs a shell script will probably automatically generate an ugly ansible "shell" task | 22:42 |
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| SpamapS | I like that very much. Seems like those most interested in maintaining those job definitions would be good to coopt here. | 22:42 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: but when we talk about the tox python job, i think we should be looking at making the best, simple, zuul+ansible way of running tox | 22:42 |
| SpamapS | yeah cover 80/20 | 22:43 |
| SpamapS | maybe even better | 22:43 |
| jeblair | something that any openstack dev who, today, makes a patch that cargo-cult's some stuff in project-config/jjb will find just as comprehensible, if not more so | 22:43 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: does that mean we want to refactor our run-tox.sh script now too? | 22:43 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: it's worth thinking about -- but if something like that gets gnarley, we can always defer it until later | 22:44 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: will there be room in zuul for other language std jobs post-infra-migration do you think? | 22:44 |
| SpamapS | like, a 'rust-cargo-test' job? | 22:44 |
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| SpamapS | it's a bit too far down the road to think deeply about | 22:45 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: I could go ether way, I'm aiming for easy more right now in our base jobs. But, if the time is right, we can start removing our dependency on jenkins/scripts folder too | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | but it's something that's coming to mind for me, as we start to poke at the in-repo job definition language and compare it to .travis.yml | 22:45 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i think one of the choices we're going to get to make in the medium-term is how expansive we want our stdlib to be (also, technically, how do we implement it and where does it live? in zuul, or in a new repo?). my personal wish is that we can be somewhat expansive in that, and take the approach we did with jjb and be radically accepting of whatever people offer :) | 22:45 |
| fungi | also want to make sure we don't end up with a kitchen sink stdlib like the one that has congealed inside dib (no offense to dib devs/reviewers, but i gather they too are eager to split that up soon) | 22:45 |
| fungi | python's "batteries included" approach seems like a sane enough goal though | 22:46 |
| jeblair | fungi: i agree with you too, and i don't know if that means i hold two contradictory opinions. :) | 22:46 |
| jeblair | fungi: 'batteries included' is nice :) | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | Ansible shares this problem. | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | and is radically accepting of things people maintain, IIRC | 22:47 |
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| SpamapS | anyway, just food for thought | 22:47 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i think i can safely say that if it's very expansive, it won't be in the zuul repo. :) | 22:47 |
| fungi | we're already making it easy to use multiple repos for playbooks, so having a standard library that ships with zuul and another one for the more openstacky/ancillary resuable things could be a good compromise? | 22:47 |
| jeblair | and yeah, the other thing is: the actual way we want this to be expansive is ansible roles... | 22:47 |
| jeblair | so the more we can "just use galaxy" the better | 22:48 |
| * SpamapS raises eyebrows at galaxy quality... :-/ | 22:48 | |
| jeblair | (and maybe the stdlib is a role repo in galaxy?) | 22:48 |
| Shrews | would importable stdlibs be a thing we'd want to consider? or is that unsafe? | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | would be quite nice to just have them in a galaxy-like collection though. Just not sure I love galaxy much. | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | Shrews: I think they have to be vetted by us to be included as batteries... because they will run in the secure context. | 22:49 |
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| jeblair | anyway -- these are all things we should keep in mind -- but we should know that they aren't answered questions yet. at the moment, pabelanger has some changes up that we should review with these things in mind. but also, we will land them (at least temporarily) in the zuul repo so we can continue to work through these things and shape them. | 22:50 |
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| jeblair | let's move on before we run out of time | 22:50 |
| jeblair | #topic Progress summary | 22:51 |
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| SpamapS | oo I get to link | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/41 | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | The board is _deep_ | 22:51 |
| jeblair | i filed a bunch of new stories and tidied up some things | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | Yeah it looks great | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | thanks for grooming | 22:51 |
| jeblair | i also tagged a lot of things as low-hanging-fruit | 22:51 |
| Shrews | SpamapS: feel free to mark https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000886 done | 22:52 |
| jeblair | it's possible that my threshold for LHF is slightly higher than it was previously -- i think at this point i'd describe it as "able to be done without deep knowledge of the whole system, but will require some familiarity with at least one component or subsystem in order to complete (but can be learned in progress)" | 22:53 |
| jeblair | but that's just where we are right now :) | 22:53 |
| SpamapS | Shrews: got a change ID / review link I can mention to close the loop? | 22:53 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: I think that's a good bar for the contributors we have and are ramping up | 22:54 |
| Shrews | SpamapS: https://review.openstack.org/440780 | 22:54 |
| SpamapS | Shrews: thanks | 22:54 |
| jeblair | i feel like a lot of the major subsystem refactors that were blocking are resolved now, and we're sort of at the top of the hill where more folks should be able to dive in more easily | 22:54 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 22:55 |
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| SpamapS | so if everyone can just make sure their assigned things are up to date or if you see something you're doing that isn't assigned to you, let me know or assign yourself, that helps a lot thanks | 22:55 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: yes it's definitely more approachable now | 22:56 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: i don't know how to search for zuulv3 and low-hanging-fruit | 22:57 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: we may need to make sure that people who want to find lhf have a good way of doing that | 22:57 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: yeah I can't do the intersection either. Seems like a bug in storyboard | 22:58 |
| jeblair | (i assumed i could search for both, but when i search for one tag, then another, it replaced the first) | 22:58 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: I'll take an action to figure that out | 22:58 |
| jeblair | also, i spelled it "low-hanging-fruit" | 22:58 |
| jeblair | there's another lhf tag in there without the second hyphen | 22:58 |
| SpamapS | we could re-tag them zuulv3-lowfruit ro something | 22:59 |
| SpamapS | or | 22:59 |
| SpamapS | lame, but a workaround if storyboard is broken | 22:59 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: would need to update the board if we do that | 22:59 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: yeah | 22:59 |
| SpamapS | we're about out of time | 23:00 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: oh, we can at least search for low-hanging-fruit and openstack-infra/zuul | 23:00 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 23:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 6 23:00:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-03-06-22.03.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-03-06-22.03.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-03-06-22.03.log.html | 23:00 |
| SpamapS | -> #zuul for more of this | 23:00 |
| SpamapS | :) | 23:00 |
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