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marksturNo Manila meeting today.  PTG is on.15:06
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asettle#startmeeting docteam20:59
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb 23 20:59:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is asettle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:59
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)"20:59
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'docteam'21:00
asettleYesssss right on 4pm21:00
asettle#action Roll Call21:00
asettleo/21:00
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skelsoo/21:00
iphutcho//21:00
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asettleMornings dudes.21:00
asettleWaiting for early morning folks to walk in, let's give it 521:01
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asettleI spy a jraim21:01
asettlejrobinson:21:01
asettleDamnit sorry jraim21:01
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asettlebmoss: helloooo :)21:01
bmossyo!21:01
asettleWelcome!21:02
asettleWe're giving all the humans until 5 past to make it in21:02
asettleMight not make quorum :)21:02
jrobinsonyes I am here :).21:02
bmosscool21:02
darrenchello o/21:02
asettleA wild darrenc appears21:02
aspierso/21:03
asettleo/21:03
darrenc\o\ /o/21:03
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aspiers |    |21:03
aspiers/ \  / \21:03
asettleHow very meta21:03
aspiersdamn, I missed21:03
asettlehahhahahaha21:03
asettleI see, I see21:04
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aspiersor maybe the one on the right is doing a Usain Bolt impression21:04
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asettleaspiers: relatively accurate. I'd believe.21:04
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asettleAlright, let's roll shall we?21:04
aspiersaye21:04
* iphutch is ready21:04
asettle#topic Action items from the last meeting21:05
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asettleNumber one action! Darren C to send arch guide action plan to ML - Done!21:05
asettleNumber two action! Team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430263/ - Doing!21:05
asettle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430263/21:05
asettleCould we get some more eyes on that one please?21:05
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asettleSpecific bmoss and the tools team21:05
asettleberendt: if you're floating around, could you take a quick look too?21:05
darrencerm, I don't think I've done that21:05
darrencI was planning to do that post PTG21:06
asettledarrenc: pre-PTG planning. Mostly around the steps of 1: look at the analytics, 2: plan at PTG 3: Publish for Ocata21:06
berendtyes21:06
asettleberendt: gracias21:06
asettleBut, if you'd like darrenc I can definitely reaction that one :D21:06
asettlere-action*21:06
asettleEsp cause I know there's more to let everyone know about :)21:06
darrenccool21:07
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asettle#action Darren C to send out arch-guide action plan to ML! (post-PTG ;))21:07
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asettleAnyone else got the time to help out with the PDF review? :)21:08
darrencwill do :)21:08
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asettleOkay :)21:08
asettleLet's moveeee it onnnn21:09
asettle#topic Countdown to release21:09
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asettleOcata release is done, YAY!21:09
iphutch\o/21:09
asettleBig thanks to Maria, and bmoss !21:09
asettleAs our amazing release managers :)21:09
asettleAlso, cannot go unsaid, huge thanks to annegentle for stepping in when we released there was some unplanned 404-ing21:09
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asettleSo, thank you all!21:10
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bmosson a related note21:10
bmossThere is a patch up to update the release tasks in the Contributor Guide: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43719721:11
asettlebmoss: smart :D21:11
asettle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43719721:11
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bmossso if you're interested, please have a look21:11
asettleI will definitely be doing so :) thanks for updating bmoss !21:11
asettleOn a related note as well, everyone take a look at our swish new landing page!21:11
asettle#link https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/ocata/21:11
asettleBig thanks to nishpatwa007 who poured his blood, sweat and tears into that bad boy21:12
asettleSo far it has been well received at the PTG (people like pretty pictures?)21:12
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jrobinsonThis looks so good!21:12
asettleYep! Well pleased :D21:12
darrencyes, it looks great!21:13
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jrobinsonVisuals always help to communicate tricky concepts, and we now have a very clear visual explanation of how the install tutorial and guides work.21:13
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jrobinsonEnormous thanks to nishpatwa00721:13
asettleAnd so, without further ado, I announce the pike schedule!21:13
asettle#link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html21:14
asettleEveryone keep that in mind. We'll be releasing last week of Aug/beginning of SEpt21:14
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asettleI will setup a countdown timer once I'm back in the land of normal21:14
asettleAlright! The big cheese!21:15
asettle#topic PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 - What did we achieve?!21:15
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asettle#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-pike\21:15
asettleFirstly, woah! Look at this etherpad!21:15
aspiershehe21:15
jrobinsonAbout seven months in the Pike release, after the short Ocata, it good to have a longer release cycle.21:15
asettleI mostly called this meeting to have the opportunity to report back on specific items that were of interest21:15
asettlejrobinson: totally dude21:15
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asettleSo, I'm happy to say, we have done an awesome job at the PTG. Cross-project and break out sessions have been great. But we had wonderful support on the Mon - Tues21:16
asettleWe were a small team, as not many were able to attend, but we welcomed some newcomers - everyone meet skelso21:16
asettlePlus, we had lots of drop ins from the Designate, neutron, security, octavia, and ironic teams21:16
skelsoHi folks!21:17
asettleSome big new changes coming up:21:17
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darrenchi skelso o/21:17
asettle1. aspiers has worked hard to introduce reno release notes into docs21:17
asettleWoooooO! Thanks aspiers :D21:17
aspiers:D21:17
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asettleaspiers:  if you have your patches you want reviews on, shove them in here now with #link21:17
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aspiersok21:17
aspiers#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437611/21:18
nishpatwa007Anytime asettle jrobinson :) I am up for anything21:18
asettlenishpatwa007: love your stuff21:19
asettleaspiers: thanks!21:19
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asettle#action Team to review reno patches for docs!21:19
asettle2. Another achievement that is entirely attributed to aspiers and iphutch (and without being said, bsilverman_7 ) - we have crafted a new ToC for the HA Guide21:19
asettleIf anyone is interested21:19
asettle#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/HA_Guide21:19
asettleskelso was also able to provide some valuable input - great to see new people shaping the future!21:20
asettleiphutch: will be working straight up on the structure and from there, actioning in all the ToDos and new content with the OSIC team nad help from aspiers and teh HA team21:20
skelsoBeing nice21:20
nishpatwa007kudos21:20
asettleIf anyone is HA interested, you know where to go ;)21:20
iphutch\o\ /o/21:21
asettleaspiers and iphutch - do you have anything to add here? :)21:21
iphutchthanks to everyone that contributed yesterday! Watch this space as I do some serious re-arranging of current content and we start filing bugs to fill current gaps :)21:21
aspiersI guess I have something to add21:21
aspiersI've been busy the last few days talking to neutron and cinder folks about HA21:21
aspiersand also to the Congress folks at lunch today21:21
aspiersso I have some new information to put into the guide21:22
asettleaspiers: that's really great!21:22
asettlePerhaps you and iphutch can work on org-ing that together?21:22
aspiersas the re-arranging starts to happen, obviously we'll encounter some merge conflicts21:22
aspiersbut that's OK21:22
aspierssince fixing the conflicts should be easy21:22
asettleHeh, most likely.21:22
asettleBut! Part of the fun? (she says, unconvincingly)21:22
aspiersthe biggest outcome from the neutron L3 HA talks (especially this morning) has been https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Pike-Neutron-L3-HA21:23
aspierswhich is pretty much ready to be converted and imported into official docs21:24
iphutchasettle: I'm all for that collab with aspiers21:24
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asettle#link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Pike-Neutron-L3-HA21:24
skelsoThat table rocks.21:24
aspiersand we have just started to discuss how to do that, with native .rst if possible21:24
asettleaspiers: awesome. I am so excited to see that coming in21:24
asettleskelso: totally21:24
aspiersthanks :)21:24
asettleaspiers: bmoss might be able to help you more with that. He's an RST wizard. He bends it to his will.21:24
asettlePromise you.21:24
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aspierssounds good21:24
iphutchaspiers: she's come a long way!21:25
iphutch(the doc, that is)21:25
aspiersiphutch: yeah, I've been working on that continuously the last 48 hours21:25
asettleMan it's impressive.21:25
asettleIt'll look good in the guide :D21:25
aspiersBTW it's possible to export a CSV via https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Pike-Neutron-L3-HA.csv21:25
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aspierseveryone take a copy now just in case someone accidentally trashes it ;-)21:26
asettleHahhahahaha okay21:26
asettle#link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Pike-Neutron-L3-HA.csv21:26
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aspiersanyone got a csv to rst table converter handy? :)21:26
asettleaspiers: you know, you might be able to use pandoc21:27
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aspiersyeah maybe21:27
asettleAnyway, gotta move on!21:27
asettleBut if anyone's HA mad, you know where to find them21:27
asettle3. Third big discussion was distributed docs repositories - which more or less lead to the agreement on splitting out the Administrator Guide21:27
asettleWe had a few projects really interested in this. I have proposed that the docs team work on implementing a best-case specification21:28
asettlePike TODOs:21:28
asettleContact PTLs and project liaisons to inform of new decision21:28
asettleWork on specification detailing the 'how' - approve on team21:28
asettleProjects + docs to work on appropriate template21:28
asettleQueens TODOs:21:28
asettleImplementation period21:28
asettleWhich, jrobinson and Ildiko and myself will be able to implement over the next two release cycles21:28
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asettlejrobinson: I know you were sick and unable to remotely attend, I can find some time later this week to catch you up on all the crazy21:29
jrobinsonAs I discussed in the last meeting - and after re-reading the etherpad on distributed docs repositories - I am still happy to volunteer to write the spec for the admin guide21:29
asettlejrobinson: that's really great! Thank you21:29
asettle#action jrobinson to write spec for the admin guide21:29
asettleI know that Ildiko is really interested in it, and has promised some help21:29
asettleI recommend emailing/messaging her for context :)21:29
jrobinsonYes I don't full understand the rationale behind the dev-doc repo linking to an admin guide index.rst file, but I'm sure it will make sense.21:30
jrobinson^symbolic link.21:30
asettleHahhaa yeah, it was pretty fully on. We can definitely sit down and chat about it sometime soon :) it was a big session21:31
asettleOkay, moving along (sorry to rush, but we had a lot)21:31
asettle4. Archiving and versioning of documentation21:31
asettleWe talked a lot about implementation and bmoss was there to help out with some major questions surrounding implementation21:31
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asettleI dunno if bmoss is at his computer right now to talk more about that, so we might just skip over it :)21:32
bmossI think the notes from the session were pretty good21:32
asettleOh there you are! :)21:32
bmossnow it is about getting some patches rolling21:32
asettleSounds good bmoss :) are you in charge of that one with loquacities ?21:32
bmossyep21:32
asettleAwesome :) looking forward to seeing it21:33
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bmoss:)21:33
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asettleOther big discussions included the security guide21:33
asettleWe have the sec team on board. We're working on a plan to ensure the guide is maintained.21:33
asettleThe OSIC team has already hit the ground runinng and taken on board 10 bugs to deliver soon21:34
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iphutchawesome!21:34
asettleThen, we're going to work on scoping an appropriate audience, services, and content. And then start working on a POC and ToC21:34
asettleThis'll be a slower effort, as we do have less resources. But this is something we are going to ramp over over the coming cycles.21:35
asettleSlow burner, if you will.21:35
asettleIf anyone's interested in security, you know where to head.21:35
asettleWe also had the neutron team pay a visit to discuss the maintenance of the Networking Guide21:35
asettleThey're going to be working a bit closer with John Davidge to maintain the guide.21:36
asettleHe has a list for suggested improvements21:36
asettle#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide-improvements21:36
asettleI will ask that he sends out a summary of that too at some point :)21:36
asettleAnd of course, we talked about hte arch guide21:37
asettledarrenc - your turn ;)21:37
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darrencI think it's covered in the etherpad notes :)21:37
aspierscan I add to that etherpad?21:38
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aspiersone thing discussed today was cross-linking between networking guide and HA guide21:38
darrencbut I've drafted a spec for ocata21:38
aspiersin both directions21:38
darrenchttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/436747/21:38
asettleaspiers: uhhhhh sure yes21:38
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asettle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436747/21:38
asettleThank you darrenc !21:38
darrencnp :)21:38
asettle#action team to review arch guide spec21:38
asettleEveryone please take the time to check this out21:39
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asettleWe wanna be dealing pretty heavily with this guide this release21:39
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asettleUnfortunately it's been long-standing tech debt, and we need to ensure that we are publishing in Ocata and we're moving forward21:39
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asettleBut, in summary21:40
asettleWe've had a hugely successful PTG21:40
asettleWorking with ianychoi and the i18n has been really beneficial21:40
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asettleHere I've just gone through the docs items but we were able to work alongside the i18n for plenty of action items and that was really beneficial cross-project work21:40
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asettleWould love to see more collaboration21:41
asettleIf anyone is keen on the notes from those discussions, you can see the full list here:21:41
asettle#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-pike21:41
asettleI'll be writing a summary up for super user21:41
asettleAnd will be doing a more indepth summary for the newsletter which I plan to send out tomorrow :)21:42
aspiersThis was my first real experience with the docs team as a whole, and it was a ton of fun. You guys rock. Thanks a lot everyone! <3 <321:42
asettleThanks so much for coming aspiers :D21:42
asettleIT was really great to have you, honestly.21:42
asettleIt's really cool to see what good things we can do :)21:42
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asettleBig thanks also to those who managed to come in remotely!21:42
* aspiers wonders if we can have a PTG every week ...21:42
asettleI can't believe that was actually functionaly21:42
asettlefunctional*21:42
asettleaspiers: HAHA RIGHT?! I was just talking to Allison about how well this has genuiely gone21:43
asettlegenuinely*21:43
asettleFriggin hell. My typing is just blip today21:43
asettleAnywayyyyyyy21:43
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asettleI'm going to skip the specialty team reports today, a lot of people are all over the place - let's resume normal operation on Thursday, the 9th of March21:44
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asettle#topic Bug triaging21:44
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asettleThis week's triager is... darrenc !21:44
asettle#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams#Bug_Triage_Team21:44
darrencwoohoo!21:44
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jrobinsonSounds like a good plan. There are no new user guide updates.21:44
asettledarrenc: unfortunately there is quite a list for you there :P21:44
darrencno problem21:45
asettleIf anyone is able/interested/has not already signed up to be a bug triager to help out with our team, please sign up on the link above21:45
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asettleI believe aspiers had some good idea surrouding updating our process and documenting other pieces of assumed knowledge21:45
asettleaspiers: do you want to say something a bit more to that?21:45
aspierssure, if I can remember what that was21:45
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aspierswell, one thing is that I found out how to subscribe to bugs by tag21:46
aspiersand I documented it21:46
asettleOh yeah!21:46
asettleThat was really cool :) thank you21:46
aspiers#link https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/doc-bugs.html#tracking-bugs-by-tag21:46
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aspierswas there something else?21:46
aspiersI can't remember21:46
bmossI have a bug-related comment21:47
bmossplease file theme, build, and tool bugs in the openstack-doc-tools project on Launchpad21:47
asettleOh!21:48
asettleThat is an excellent point bmoss21:48
asettleWe should document that too :p21:48
asettleContrib Guide!21:48
bmossasettle, already done. :)21:48
asettlebmoss: have you moved the already existing bugs over?21:48
bmossbut I just wanted to mention it since it is a change from that last few releases21:48
bmossnot yet, I was waiting until after the release21:48
bmossbut also don't worry if you do file a bug in openstack-manuals, if we identify it is as a tools bug we'll just move it over.21:49
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asettlebmoss: ace :) thank you!21:49
asettleberendt: ^^^21:49
asettleI just tag Christian when I need him now.21:49
asettleIt's very efficient21:49
bmosslol21:49
ianychoisorry lol21:49
ianychoidocs team meeting time21:49
asettleNot at all :)21:50
ianychoiI have not recognized it because of another meeting21:50
asettleWelcome to the fold21:50
asettleThat's okay!21:50
asettleDid you get the sign?!21:50
ianychoiasettle, yep! Thanks a lot! I now have the paper (sign: Docs+I18n)!21:50
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asettleianychoi: hooray :D I'm glad to hear it.21:50
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asettleI picked them up yesterday and was trying to find a good time to give them to you21:51
asettleBut alas21:51
asettleAndy the good deliverer :p21:51
ianychoiasettle, and thanks a lot for organizing all especially for with I18n team! Without your help it would be impossible for I18n team to join in PTG21:51
asettleNot at all :) am really happy how well it turned out :)21:51
ianychoiHaha please delivery my appreciation :)21:51
asettleThank you so much for being an amazing collaborator ianychoi :)21:51
asettleOkay, well, we have 8 minutes left21:51
asettle#topic Open discussion21:52
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asettleAnyone? :)21:52
jrobinsonI don't have anything to add.21:52
annegentleheya21:52
asettleSorry for talking your ears off, just wanted to make sure everyone heard the good, the bad, the ugly21:52
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asettleannegentle: heya!21:53
asettleThanks for being our 404 angel :)21:53
annegentleI'd like to have someone write up a good incident report for that pair of 404s21:53
annegentlewe can get better at that with some better understanding of what happened21:53
asettleannegentle: we have updated the contrib guide, but I think that might be best left in the hands of bmoss and Maria21:53
asettleand loquacities21:54
asettleWould you guys mind?21:54
ianychoiAnd.. sorry for  not following all the things, but I have heard that today morning (here) docs.openstack.org was slow. What was the problem?21:54
annegentleasettle yeah, I think Maria was interested in doing that21:54
asettleannegentle: that's good :)21:54
annegentleianychoi I hadn't heard that21:54
asettleianychoi: neither ^^21:55
asettleI haven't had any issues accessing today21:55
ianychoiOh really21:55
ianychoi<gpocentek> docs.openstack.org is terribly slow for me, I am suffering alone or is this a server-side problem?21:55
ianychoireported in #openstack-doc irc channel21:55
asettleHmmm interesting.21:55
asettleI'll ping Gauvain again and see what was up21:56
asettleI wasn't experiencing any issues21:56
ianychoiyep :)21:56
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aspiersseems fine to me here21:56
aspiersok I'm gonna temporarily sign off here, and head down from my hotel room to the feedback session. great meeting, thanks all and see some of you there!21:56
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asettleYeah, will be there!21:56
asettleSee you shortly :)21:56
bmosso/21:56
annegentleianychoi do you want me to try to do the cross-platform (Mac) scripting work for PDF?21:56
asettleAlso going to cut this meeting shortly by 4 minutes unless anyone has some major concerns? :)21:56
skelsoZips along here.21:56
jrobinsono/21:57
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annegentleianychoi I can at least start it, wasn't sure if there's a bug already21:57
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asettleSweet :)21:57
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asettleOkay, I'm going to close this one out annegentle - if you and ianychoi wouldn't mind moving over to doc?21:57
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iphutchThaanks everyone!21:58
asettleo/ thanks dudes!21:58
asettle#endmeeting21:58
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ianychoiThanks all! :21:58
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