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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 21 14:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | anyone here today? | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:01 |
| * _gryf is lurking | 14:01 | |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | I knew it would be quieter today, but... | 14:01 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | morning folks :) | 14:02 |
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| jaypipes | note: cdent is out sick today. | 14:02 |
| edleafe | morning jaypipes | 14:02 |
| edleafe | sorry to hear | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | Let's start | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | #topic Last spec | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last spec (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:03 | |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300178/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | Still needs +2s. No disagreement | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | Do we need an exception? | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: that's up to mriedem I think. | 14:05 |
| edleafe | that's what I thought | 14:05 |
| edleafe | #action edleafe to pester mriedem for exception for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300178/ | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: there's also the custom-resource-classes spec and the nested-resource-providers spec. | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #topic Reviews | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | #undo | 14:06 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x7fac5534f9d0> | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | c-r-c: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312696/ | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | n-r-p: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386710/ | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: since there's code already merged for c-r-c, that should really be easy... | 14:07 |
| * _gryf need to catch up quickly with those | 14:07 | |
| edleafe | jaypipes: ok, I'll try to get all 3 | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: and kind of same for n-r-p | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: thx | 14:07 |
| edleafe | Any other specs? | 14:08 |
| edleafe | #topic Reviews | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | There are several listed on the agebda | 14:09 |
| edleafe | None of which show any strong disagreement | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: yeah, there's a bunch that need intel-nfv-ci rechecking.. :( | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/custom-resource-classes | 14:09 |
| * edleafe cut his finger and is hunt-and-peck typing today | 14:09 | |
| jaypipes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/custom-resource-classes | 14:09 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: any which need particular attention? | 14:10 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: all of them? :) | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: they all are failing intel-nfv-ci so need to recheck them once that CI is fixed. | 14:11 |
| edleafe | ... where every child is above-average | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: :) | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: Lake Wobegone indeed. | 14:12 |
| edleafe | yeah, saw the slew og failures | 14:12 |
| edleafe | of | 14:12 |
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| jaypipes | does anyone other than me have reviews they need/want? | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: ? | 14:13 |
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| jaypipes | I believe the remaining cdent patch on aggregates is ready for final review/merge? | 14:13 |
| edleafe | yes, those should be good to go | 14:14 |
| alex_xu | found a race case at that patch, but not sure how to test it | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | ok. and there were a number of reviews that cdent had written about in his status email on friday. | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | let's try to get to those as well. | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: cool, will take a look and think about that. | 14:14 |
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| alex_xu | jaypipes: thanks, but I already +2, leave that to you make a decision :) | 14:15 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: maybe a follow-up patch to handle the race? | 14:15 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: that race already handled, just not sure how to test it. but i thought we didn't have test all the race cases | 14:16 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: ah, I see | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: np :) | 14:17 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: haven't looked at that patch in a while | 14:17 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: too many patches for scheduler :) | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | is bauzas off today? | 14:17 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: dunno, but I didn't see him in -nova | 14:18 |
| _gryf | he was at the morning | 14:18 |
| _gryf | although not very active | 14:19 |
| edleafe | Which brings us to... | 14:19 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:19 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: POST vs. GET :) | 14:19 |
| edleafe | This week is a big US holiday | 14:19 |
| alex_xu | ah, that is why super quiet | 14:20 |
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| edleafe | I'm off starting tomorrow, so I won't be able to work on stuff after today | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: indeed, which is why I'm keen to front-load reviews and patches through Wednesday. | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | gah. | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | ok, do your best to get through reviews today then :) | 14:20 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: that's the plan! | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | coolio. | 14:21 |
| edleafe | 6am flight tomorrow! | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | alright, we good to wrap up and get back to work? :) | 14:23 |
| edleafe | Unless anyone else has something | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | which one was the POST vs GET on again? | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | I lost track | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: bauzas's spec that merged | 14:24 |
| edleafe | we're going to fight it out in the code | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, cool, it merged | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | Well, everyone back to work (or sleep, depending on time zone) | 14:25 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 21 14:25:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-11-21-14.00.html | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-11-21-14.00.txt | 14:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-11-21-14.00.log.html | 14:25 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 21 15:00:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:00 | |
| ihrachys | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:00 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 15:01 |
| korzen | hello | 15:01 |
| sshank | Hello | 15:01 |
| asingh_ | Hello | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:01 |
| sindhu | hi | 15:01 |
| trinaths | hi | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | first, Ocata-1 is released. I don't believe it influences us in any way except showing that time is running out :) | 15:02 |
| manjeets | o/ | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | second, PTG (formerly design summit) is open for registration | 15:02 |
| korzen | we hare 4 weeks left till Ocata-2 | 15:02 |
| korzen | have* | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106995.html Info on how to register for PTG | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | for the record, neutron sessions are Wed-Fri | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | finally, switch to Xenial is still ongoing. I believe we switched all grenade jobs in Newton+ to Xenial without a hassle. | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | the previous meeting, I reported that we have made some progress for linuxbridge multinode grenade job | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | since then, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396658/ landed | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | and jschwarz looked at the last test failure in the job and actually came up with a devstack side fix for that | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400258/ Fix for linuxbridge grenade multinode | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | I haven't reviewed it yet, but we already triggered experimental job in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396659/ | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | since infra is quite loaded right now, it will take some time to get results | 15:06 |
| * jschwarz finally helped out with the linuxbridge job! | 15:06 | |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: I hope you did! ;) | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: thanks | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | if it indeed fixes the issue, we will proceed with moving it into check queue and making it voting | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | one thing before it happens, we will need to switch the job to Xenial too | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | but I hope it should work fine as it did for other grenade jobs | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | after that, gate jobs seem like done, if not for the planned job for mixed neutron-server versions | 15:09 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, question what is difference b/w running trusty vs xenial is that just the distro ? | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | we will need someone to start looking at what infra has to offer for us to bake such a job | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: yes it's ubuntu version | 15:10 |
| * electrocucaracha systemd? | 15:10 | |
| ihrachys | manjeets: since it bumps kernel and other platform pieces it may sometimes break a thing or two | 15:10 |
| manjeets | ok | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | we saw functional jobs broken seriously because of the switch | 15:11 |
| manjeets | thanks | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | but grenade is probably less involving on platform side | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I believe yes, it's systemd now | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: but since we don't really use it to start services in gate, it should not matter? | 15:11 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: yeah, more likely the thing that could affect us it's the third party libraries | 15:12 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: but I think that you've identified most of the issues | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | ok. so we have that mixed neutron-server job task in the queue | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | anyone willing to go to infra and other projects to talk about how to achieve that? | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | (the job where neutron-server would run on both old and new sides of grenade, and where API requests would be routed via some loadbalancer like haproxy | 15:15 |
| electrocucaracha | I don't have an idea how, but I can try it | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ok let's sync on it after the meeting | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | we haven't landed much this week | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | but one piece that landed is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297887/ | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | that's Agent object | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | it's not integrated though | 15:17 |
| manjeets | is port object ready to be integrated ? | 15:17 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: there are three patches that are blocking other patches and contains many OVO objects | 15:17 |
| electrocucaracha | manjeets: I think that korzen mentioned that he couldn't work on the integration | 15:18 |
| manjeets | i was looking at code, if it is ready we can integrate port in pieces | 15:18 |
| korzen | port? not | 15:18 |
| manjeets | korzen, yea port | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: I believe integration will reveal issues, but it would be nice to start landing integration, maybe in pieces | 15:19 |
| korzen | I will be working opn network OVO usage in code | 15:19 |
| korzen | s/opn/on | 15:19 |
| korzen | and subnet | 15:20 |
| korzen | we should also aware of push notification when talking about port/subnet/network | 15:20 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: do you mind to take a look of these patches? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396327/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338625/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360799/ | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | right. there is a WIP patch from kevinbenton with some server side integration for object changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388939/10 | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: do any of those have integration ready? | 15:21 |
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| electrocucaracha | the first one dasanind is working on that but given that impacts those four objects it requires to check it | 15:23 |
| electrocucaracha | for quotes, I'm still dealing with the integration, maybe I have something for today, but it's too close | 15:23 |
| electrocucaracha | and for IPAM ndahiwade it's working on the integration, I think that they have it but in different patches | 15:24 |
| electrocucaracha | I'm sure that we can squash them | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: yeah. I understand why we want to split larger objects, but not sure if it's worth having them split for smaller pieces. | 15:25 |
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| electrocucaracha | actually the first patch, Allocation and Endpoint originally was three different patches | 15:26 |
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| electrocucaracha | but yes, we can reduce the amount of patches and have better control | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | that would be awesome | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | are we in agreement we attempt to get integration for at least smaller objects before considering landing them? | 15:28 |
| electrocucaracha | +1 | 15:28 |
| manjeets | +1 | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | cool, thanks for bearing with me ;) | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | I think we can safely move to the next topic, but I give 30 secs to raise anything else that is critical | 15:29 |
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| electrocucaracha | router ovo patch? | 15:30 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ok. I saw you had some issue with doing lazy loading in qospolicy like way | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | I believe korzen gave some relevant suggestion there | 15:31 |
| sindhu | all the patches that have issues with having session instead of context, it should depend on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398873 | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | ouch. I see ml2 driver api changing | 15:32 |
| electrocucaracha | and what about the way that the test framework generates uuid for non required uuidfields | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ok. maybe we should set it to None in setUp | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: an alternative could be allowing to define a set of fields to disable generator for | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | that could be a list defined on the test class. | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | one more idea is maybe not generating anything for UUID fields? | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | those random values will not ever be valid anyhow | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | if a test needs to link the object to some other table, the test case will need to set the field anyway. | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | ok let's move on | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches for review | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: btw I will leave the comments above in the patch later | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | for blueprint online-upgrades, we currently have a list of patches | 15:36 |
| manjeets | i am having a weird issue with this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353088/ | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | one is a spec that I plan to get back this week https://review.openstack.org/386685 | 15:36 |
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| manjeets | test only fails if I run all the unit tests together | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | and another is a patch that forbids contract migration scripts for Ocata: https://review.openstack.org/400239 | 15:37 |
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| manjeets | if run that alone or all on tests on that test file it works | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: I am not even sure it's related to OVO work | 15:38 |
| manjeets | http://logs.openstack.org/88/353088/28/check/gate-neutron-python27-ubuntu-xenial/d19c2a8/console.html.gz#_2016-11-17_23_53_34_484014 | 15:38 |
| manjeets | its an ovo patch | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: please report a bug and add 'unit-test' and 'gate-failure' to bug tags. | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: yeah but it doesn't mean it fails there only | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: maybe check logstash to see if it shows up in any other patches | 15:38 |
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| manjeets | ok | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets: ping me if you need help with logstash | 15:40 |
| manjeets | sure thanks ihrachys | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | ok any more patches for the team to review? | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | except OVO and what was already mentioned | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | ok let's move on | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:41 |
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| ihrachys | just an update: on the last meeting, I said that the grenade failure https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1611237 is going away with Xenial switch | 15:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1611237 in neutron "Restart neutron-openvswitch-agent get ERROR "Switch connection timeout"" [High,Confirmed] | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | seems like it does not, I hit it on a xenial job | 15:41 |
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| ihrachys | so we will need to have another look at it | 15:42 |
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| ihrachys | I think it's clear what happens there (ryu not killed on SIGTERM) | 15:42 |
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| ihrachys | but there is no patch to review, or even an idea why it happens | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | if you feel brave, have a look | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | anything more you folks wanted to raise? | 15:42 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: well my only concern is about the progress that we have merging ovo | 15:43 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: is there anything that we can do to accelerate it? | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: we obviously need core reviewers on those patches. we now advertise patches on weekly meetings. one thing that I find not ideal is that sometimes I need to comment on well known issues in patches, so I can't +2 a patch right away. it could probably help if other folks cross-review patches to kill those nits before those with +2 jump on patches. | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | in the end, it's all about core reviewers not giving enough votes. | 15:45 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, do you have any common mistakes that are repeating between patches? | 15:46 |
| electrocucaracha | ok, I think that we can cover the well know issues part | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | korzen: like project_id being UUID | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | korzen: no unit tests for an object | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | korzen: no integration? | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | (sometimes it's justified) | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: missing nullable= argument where needed | 15:47 |
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| korzen | ok, thanks | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | as for core attention, we all feel the whirlpools in the community | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | some key people were moved from OpenStack | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | it makes current core reviewers more loaded | 15:50 |
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| ihrachys | we will probably need to expand the core team to accommodate, but that's not up to me to make it happen | 15:50 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: maybe we have to raise this issue to armax | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I believe armax has open door policy ;) | 15:51 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: we can mention it in tomorrow's neutron meeting | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: there is no armax on those meetings, if that's your goal | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | I believe anyone can talk to armax on the matter | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | *anyone concerned | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | ok anything more on anyone's mind? | 15:53 |
| sshank | ihrachys, korzen I was planning on adding a class method get_standard_attributes(cls) after here: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/objects/base.py#L316 to get access to standard attribute. Is it advised? | 15:53 |
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| korzen | what do you mean by 'standard attributes'? | 15:54 |
| korzen | all of them? | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | I think we needed just ID? | 15:54 |
| korzen | it should be just ID | 15:54 |
| sshank | korzen, to return 'standard_attr.HasStandardAttributes' | 15:54 |
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| ihrachys | sshank: what else do we need from the model except id? | 15:55 |
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| korzen | in my understanding, we should have new property in DeclarativeObject returing standard_attr_id | 15:57 |
| korzen | that is all | 15:57 |
| * asingh_ ihrachys https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/tag_db.py#L30-L92 | 15:57 | |
| ihrachys | sshank: as for the direction, I believe you will need to expose the ID only on objects that are linked to standard attributes table. there is some relevant code in https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/objects/base.py#L252 that you can use as a clue | 15:57 |
| korzen | smth like here: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/objects/base.py#L219 | 15:57 |
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| korzen | the new attribute can be called standard_attr_id to be backward compatible | 15:58 |
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| ihrachys | asingh_: aha. can't we implement the filters inside base.py? just pass the info on the needed tags into obj_db_api and handle it there? | 15:59 |
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| ihrachys | anyhow, we need to wrap up | 16:00 |
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| ihrachys | thanks folks for joining, we will continue in gerrit | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | asingh_: maybe just post a "strawman" patch and we will go from there | 16:00 |
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| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 21 16:00:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| sshank | korzen, ihrachys Thanks for the direction. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-11-21-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-11-21-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-11-21-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| manjeets | thanks bye | 16:00 |
| dasanind_ | Thanks | 16:00 |
| sindhu | thanks! | 16:00 |
| korzen | thanks, bye | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | sshank: sorry that was you :) | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 21 16:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
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| asingh_ | ihrachys> will do , thanks | 16:00 |
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| sshank | ihrachys, Ok. | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for HenryG, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:01 |
| lxsli | o/ | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:01 |
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| toabctl | hi | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi hi | 16:01 |
| tovin07_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| dims | partially here o/ | 16:01 |
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| ansmith | o/ | 16:01 |
| lxsli | hi hi hi | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| johnsom | Nothing to report from lbaas | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx johnsom | 16:03 |
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| bknudson | nothing from keystone that I know of. | 16:03 |
| amrith | none from trove | 16:04 |
| amrith | and hello all | 16:04 |
| stevemar | o/ | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | hello amrith :-P | 16:04 |
| amrith | \./ | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, doesn't seem like any current/active issues, so that's good! | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for Ocata | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so i've been working through getting the periodic jobs back into shape before getting out a bunch of releases | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&searchProject=-with-oslo | 16:06 |
| * harlowja_at_home is hoping https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/commit/fe21f63cc2e26b78 fixes a bunch of issues there | 16:07 | |
| bknudson | lots of red there | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, afaik mainly due to pulling down newer versions of non-oslo libraries that are busting things | 16:08 |
| bknudson | needs upper-constraints | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | the project-config change i did should now use the upper-constraints file | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | and then i hope get rid of http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-cinder-py35-with-oslo-master/ef2f5a8/console.html#_2016-11-20_06_08_59_144306 and similar | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | so if people are wondering why there hasn't been a major bulk oslo release just yet, this is why (trying to get those to be somewhat healthy first) :) | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | otherwise does anyone need a specific release of a library for ocata that i should know about? | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398947/ (for newton for oslo.messaging) is one i know about | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398946/ | 16:11 |
| * rpodolyaka would like to see an oslo.db release, but it can wait before the jobs are green again | 16:12 | |
| harlowja_at_home | rpodolyaka, cool, sounds good | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Reviews needing review | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any reviews people want some more eyes on? | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398875/ is an interesting one | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | (but it's more of a governance discussion) | 16:15 |
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| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, should people start looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396738/ or should they wait a little bit :) | 16:16 |
| kgiusti | Yes - def take a look | 16:16 |
| kgiusti | it's not passing jenkins for an unrelated issue | 16:17 |
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| kgiusti | but this is essentially a doc change - and a guess at how the driver API is supposed to work | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:17 |
| kgiusti | think of it as a 'straw-person' | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:18 |
| kgiusti | looking for folks to set it on fire.... err - correct and clarify it. | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | sileht, ^ set it on fire! | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic PTG | 16:19 |
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| harlowja_at_home | has anyone started making plans for going (or not going?) to the PTG in atlanta yet? | 16:20 |
| johnsom | I am planning to attend | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 16:20 |
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| kgiusti | nothing booked yet but planning on being there.... | 16:20 |
| bknudson | hopefully they don't run out of spots for attendees. | 16:21 |
| bknudson | I'm hoping to be there but haven't gotten approval yet. | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : I'll be there | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i gotta poke my manager, see about getting the travel stuff approved earlier rather than later :-P | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | monday - tuesday seems to be the oslo times/days | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | that makes sense | 16:23 |
| johnsom | FYI, when you click the register/tickets link it tells you how many slots are left, there are 359 left now | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | I'll be splitting my time between oslo, release, and goals stuff those days | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah, nice, good to know :) | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, sounds busy, ha | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it didn't really solve the "lots of overlapping interests" problem for me :-) | 16:24 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, same here | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i know what u mean :) | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | need cloning tech | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | we're still working on some sort of notification system for advertising when certain topics will be discussed in each room | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | SMS based? | 16:25 |
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| johnsom | That would be neat, though I can see my phone exploding... | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think they were talking about an etherpad or something similar | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | cools | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:27 |
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| harlowja_at_home | amrith, thx again for helping out last week when i wasn't feeling to well | 16:27 |
| tovin07_ | hello | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, is there anything needed in regard to the prior topic? | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | tovin07, hi | 16:27 |
| tovin07_ | anyone works with OSProfiler? | 16:28 |
| amrith | hi harlowja_at_home sorry was on the phone | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | i haven't recently, i'm sure DinaBelova though does :) | 16:28 |
| tovin07_ | my current task in my company is tracing request (API, RPC, DB, ...) --> find problems --> OSprofiler is the best candidate. | 16:28 |
| DinaBelova | yay, /me here. almost here | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | tovin07_, neat :) | 16:28 |
| tovin07_ | I evaluated OSProfiler with some services (Cinder, Glance, Neutron) and see a common workflow of OSProfiler: | 16:28 |
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| tovin07_ | (1) Services --> OSProfiler --> Messaging | 16:29 |
| tovin07_ | (2) Ceilometer anotification pops out events from messaging (e.g. rabbitmq) and then process it --> panko --> MySQL | 16:29 |
| tovin07_ | I see that, "Messaging" is now fixed in Glance. | 16:29 |
| tovin07_ | (and other project too, such as Cinder) | 16:29 |
| tovin07_ | #link https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/48ee8ef4793ed40397613193f09872f474c11abe/glance/cmd/api.py#L80 | 16:29 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, yes; still trying to figure out how trove should move forward with the oslo messaging issue. | 16:30 |
| amrith | not being able to replace the dispatcher is a drag | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | tovin07, by fixed you mean profiled? | 16:30 |
| amrith | the change that will result is significant | 16:30 |
| amrith | and no, moving to a rest api isn't the answer in the short term | 16:30 |
| DinaBelova | tovin07_ in fact right now not only messaging/ceilo can be used :) but MongoDB as well. and (not released yet) several others like Elastic search | 16:30 |
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| amrith | so I'm kind of between a rock and a hard place | 16:30 |
| tovin07_ | I mean that, why we hardcoded it too “Messaging” | 16:30 |
| tovin07_ | *to | 16:31 |
| DinaBelova | that's not yet done in the all project :( | 16:31 |
| DinaBelova | reviews are slow | 16:31 |
| DinaBelova | all of the projects need to be updated like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316799/ | 16:31 |
| tovin07_ | Recently, I see that you guys add some new drivers (redis, log_insight). However, I don't know how to switch to other driver and how that work. I've tried to change connection string in service config file (glance-api.conf, cinder.conf,...) and in `osprofiler show trace` --> no luck. | 16:31 |
| DinaBelova | and everything will be grabbed from conf | 16:32 |
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| tovin07_ | I saw this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254703/ | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, right; a short term idea was using a custom serializer/deserializer, any attempts at that yet? | 16:32 |
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| amrith | still working on it | 16:33 |
| tovin07_ | And I know what you faced, DinaBelova: | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, ok, let's see how that goes, we can see if its really crap, if it is, then we can try a plan B of sorts | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh btw, anyone looking for a nice review to review, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397264/ | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | julien trying to re-organize a bunch of hashring impls | 16:34 |
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| tovin07_ | Back to connection string, is there some magic here to use other driver (redis, mongodb,…)? | 16:34 |
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| harlowja_at_home | DinaBelova is the person that knows all the magic :) | 16:35 |
| DinaBelova | sorry guys meeting in progress | 16:35 |
| DinaBelova | cannot be really here | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | tovin07, perhaps ping DinaBelova when she is free? | 16:36 |
| tovin07_ | yes, I think so | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:36 |
| tovin07_ | I see too much magic in that (OSProfiler) | 16:37 |
| kgiusti | I may be missing something obvious - but does anyone know where the source to this is: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/Messaging | 16:37 |
| kgiusti | First hit when googling "openstack oslo messaging" (for me) | 16:37 |
| kgiusti | seems pretty stale... | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, ah, that, i think its just due for deletion/redirect to dev documents | 16:38 |
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| bknudson | kgiusti: it's a wiki, so you're looking at the source. | 16:38 |
| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: cleaned up a bit - would be a nice base for a theory of ops | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | `Date of page creation09:17, 29 April 2013` | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | so my guess it was the old dev docs | 16:39 |
| kgiusti | bknudson: thought so... :( | 16:39 |
| kgiusti | kk - I'll fireup the wayback machine.... | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, perhaps just keep the goals, concepts, references | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | and just redirect the rest to dev docs? | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | (and/or for more details go to dev docs) | 16:40 |
| kgiusti | +1 - 'zactly. | 16:40 |
| bknudson | linking to or redirecting to some docs in git would be great. | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | that'd be fine with me, +1 to fixing these old docs that google finds | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | `In the degenerate case where none of the standard URL attributes have any meaning for a particular transport, we can do: | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | weirdo:///?param1=foo¶m2=bar` | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | is that a new driver? | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:41 |
| kgiusti | +1 vote to rename amqp1 | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:41 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright folks, that's all i got, anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 16:42 |
| kgiusti | Something completely different: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106906.html | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah, nice | 16:43 |
| kgiusti | I started this for o.m.: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398578/ | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx for reminding about that kgiusti | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | `Stay tuned.` | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh, btw, since its thanksgiving week in the US, i expect people will not be around all that much :-P | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | people usually travel a bunch in the US this week | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | (if people are wondering where others are) | 16:45 |
| bknudson | why were there centos-7 oslo.messaging jobs? | 16:45 |
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| kgiusti | packaging for amqp1 driver was missing on ubuntu | 16:46 |
| bknudson | was amqp1 driver only available on centos-7? | 16:46 |
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| kgiusti | no longer the case | 16:46 |
| bknudson | so don't need those anymore, great. | 16:47 |
| kgiusti | See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399863/ | 16:47 |
| kgiusti | but begs the question: should *any* tests run on centos? Right now o.m. is strictly ubuntu. | 16:47 |
| kgiusti | (or will be once xenial transition is made - I assume) | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm, can't answer that, i like centos (it's what my work uses still) | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | (but we are also a few OS releases behind) | 16:48 |
| bknudson | might want to ask infra if there's savings in not having centos jobs for oslo.messaging. | 16:49 |
| clarkb | kgiusti: xenial transition is just to get off trusty,existing centos jobs are untouched | 16:49 |
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| kgiusti | clarkb: kk - but currently all o.m. jobs that specify a node use ubuntu-trusty (and some xenial ATM) but no centos | 16:49 |
| kgiusti | Is this a blind spot in our testing? | 16:49 |
| kgiusti | (I'm speaking in particular about the driver tests - dsvm full + functional) | 16:50 |
| clarkb | possibly? I cant answerthat for you | 16:51 |
| kgiusti | that was a question for the general audience :) | 16:52 |
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| harlowja_at_home | seems sorta like a blind spot? | 16:52 |
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| * kgiusti would at least like to see the driver functional tests run against centos | 16:52 | |
| kgiusti | IIRC they are pretty short in duration. | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i'm with u on that, seems useful (assuming its possible) | 16:53 |
| kgiusti | If there's no objection I can try adding just those as -nv jobs | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | wfm | 16:54 |
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| kgiusti | for now | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | no objection from me :-P | 16:54 |
| kgiusti | kk I'll put together a quick patch for review... | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool beans | 16:55 |
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| bknudson | is there something special about centos that it needs different testing? | 16:55 |
| kgiusti | Not different testing - but some exposure is probably a good idea, the base systems (ubuntu/rhel) are fairly different, no? | 16:56 |
| harlowja_at_home | guess we'll find out when we have that exposure? | 16:58 |
| harlowja_at_home | (if not to useful, can just turn them off) | 16:58 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, running out of time :) | 16:59 |
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| harlowja_at_home | if needed #openstack-oslo for more :) | 16:59 |
| tovin07_ | +1 | 16:59 |
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| harlowja_at_home | and have a happy turkey day (for those who will be/are in the US) | 16:59 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 21 17:00:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-11-21-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-11-21-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-11-21-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | bbiab | 17:00 |
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| dguitarbite_ | julen: Hi | 18:02 |
| dguitarbite_ | julen: Want to host the meeting? | 18:02 |
| julen | hi dguitarbite | 18:02 |
| julen | sure | 18:02 |
| julen | startmeeting training-labs | 18:02 |
| julen | ups | 18:02 |
| dguitarbite_ | use a # | 18:03 |
| julen | #startmeeting training-labs | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 21 18:03:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is julen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_labs' | 18:03 |
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| julen | rluethi around? | 18:03 |
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| dguitarbite_ | Hello | 18:04 |
| dguitarbite_ | I guess rluethi is busy today. | 18:05 |
| julen | dguitarbite_ : have you seen roger? | 18:05 |
| julen | aha.. | 18:05 |
| julen | well.. then, let's get started | 18:05 |
| julen | #topic python-port | 18:05 |
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| julen | from my side, I tried the standard cluster and everything worked fine | 18:06 |
| julen | dguitarbite_: did you have time to take a look? | 18:07 |
| dguitarbite_ | Yes I did. | 18:07 |
| dguitarbite_ | For linux with kvm | 18:07 |
| dguitarbite_ | it worked fine | 18:07 |
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| dguitarbite_ | I still have to test other platforms. | 18:07 |
| julen | maybe the windows and MacOS are going to be the tricky ones... | 18:07 |
| julen | does it come with python binaries for windows? | 18:08 |
| dguitarbite_ | Not yet, | 18:08 |
| dguitarbite_ | julen: It works in the same way for Windows like with osbash | 18:08 |
| julen | but does it mean that it does not require python to be installed in windows? | 18:09 |
| dguitarbite_ | Yes. | 18:10 |
| julen | wow... cool :) | 18:10 |
| julen | I haven't looked at that part yet | 18:10 |
| dguitarbite_ | julen: Me too ;) | 18:10 |
| dguitarbite_ | I will take a look at it this week. | 18:10 |
| dguitarbite_ | Also I need to test the same with Virtualbox and more work on top. | 18:11 |
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| julen | I might be able to give it a try on MacOS, but I'm sure rluethi tested it already | 18:12 |
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| julen | we have to come up with ideas to automate more tests | 18:13 |
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| julen | if we have more testing scripts, making sure that everything works is as easy as running the cluster and then running all the tests scripts | 18:14 |
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| julen | dguitarbite_: any news about the parser? | 18:14 |
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| dguitarbite_ | julen: There? | 18:15 |
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| julen | dguitarbite_: There X ? | 18:17 |
| julen | X = ? | 18:17 |
| dguitarbite_ | haha | 18:17 |
| dguitarbite_ | So the parser is delayed by a few days. | 18:17 |
| julen | #topic parser | 18:17 |
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| julen | tell me more | 18:17 |
| dguitarbite_ | I should have the required patches up and running by tomorrow to create the repository, | 18:17 |
| dguitarbite_ | I guess this would be a long week for me but it should all be fine :). | 18:17 |
| dguitarbite_ | Nothing major to report yet. | 18:18 |
| julen | I think I haven't looked at the parser since Barcelona :P | 18:19 |
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| dguitarbite_ | Good, because I did not update it since Barcelona ;). | 18:19 |
| dguitarbite_ | But I should get things running soon(ish). | 18:19 |
| * dguitarbite_ is in big trouble if Roger sees this! | 18:20 | |
| dguitarbite_ | Any more questions for this topic? | 18:20 |
| julen | nope | 18:20 |
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| julen | anything about the mascot? | 18:20 |
| dguitarbite_ | Not yet. | 18:22 |
| julen | and any other bureaucratic stuff? | 18:23 |
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| dguitarbite_ | Not today. | 18:24 |
| dguitarbite_ | I am mostly busy with implemetation. | 18:24 |
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| dguitarbite_ | Basically I had a sync up call with Roger | 18:25 |
| dguitarbite_ | And we merged the python spec. | 18:25 |
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| dguitarbite_ | We should merge the python port this week. | 18:25 |
| dguitarbite_ | So it would be great if you could test the python port out :), | 18:25 |
| julen | well.. I will put the ubuntu kvm running right after this | 18:25 |
| julen | the ubuntu VB works fine | 18:26 |
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| dguitarbite_ | Great! | 18:26 |
| dguitarbite_ | Roger is a Genius! | 18:26 |
| julen | so, rluethi won't make it today at all? | 18:26 |
| julen | yeah... that code looks like art :) | 18:26 |
| dguitarbite_ | I guess not. I checked my emails 2 mins ago to see if he has sent one. | 18:27 |
| dguitarbite_ | Nothing yet. But no biggie :) | 18:27 |
| dguitarbite_ | We all miss them meetings ;) | 18:27 |
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| julen | :P | 18:27 |
| dguitarbite_ | As long as we are in sync and work well. This is mostly for the community and being open. | 18:27 |
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| julen | yeah... | 18:28 |
| julen | so, from my side, not much more to say... | 18:28 |
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| dguitarbite_ | Alright, lets call it a day then. | 18:29 |
| julen | waiting for the hardware | 18:29 |
| dguitarbite_ | Good bye. | 18:29 |
| julen | and I'll let you know how the test with Ubuntu KVM went | 18:29 |
| dguitarbite_ | Best of luck and thansk for getting the HW | 18:29 |
| dguitarbite_ | Yep. | 18:29 |
| julen | thanks to you, for the motivation :) | 18:30 |
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| julen | well... see you next week | 18:30 |
| julen | bye | 18:30 |
| julen | #endmeeting | 18:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 21 18:30:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-11-21-18.03.html | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-11-21-18.03.txt | 18:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-11-21-18.03.log.html | 18:30 |
| dguitarbite_ | Bye, thanks for hosting the meeting julen | 18:30 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 21 20:01:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:01 |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:02 |
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| mathiasb | o/ | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | Hello Barbicaneers! Small crowd today. Maybe early Thanksgiving? | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | Agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican Except, no agenda items for today. | 20:04 |
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| dave-mccowan | kfarr mathiasb Anything you want to bring up? | 20:05 |
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| kfarr | I have patches! | 20:05 |
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| kfarr | https://review.openstack.org/397338 and https://review.openstack.org/400370 | 20:06 |
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| arunkant_ | o/ | 20:06 |
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| dave-mccowan | kfarr looks like they failed the gate. more problems with gate jobs? | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | hi arunkant_ | 20:07 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan possibly, I don't see an error message for the py34 one | 20:08 |
| kfarr | and it passed locally.. | 20:08 |
| arunkant_ | hi dave-mccowan | 20:08 |
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| dave-mccowan | kfarr how did the bug triaging go last week? | 20:10 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan There was one that I edited, hoping to look at it more later :) | 20:11 |
| alee | o/ | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | any thoughts on the bugs in general? is there a bunch of stale content or are there a bunch of important bug fixes to be done? | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | hi alee small group today and no agenda items. please bring up any items you may have. | 20:14 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan It seems the majority of the bugs are still unworked. Not sure if they are still valid | 20:14 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, I'm all good for now ... early thanksgiving :/ | 20:15 |
| dave-mccowan | #action (all) help triage bug backlog | 20:15 |
| kfarr | There are a few related to the CA functionality .. not sure how to handle those if the code is going to be deprecated anyway | 20:16 |
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| dave-mccowan | good question. if they are old, then it hasn't been important enough to anyone to work on. probably no value in fixing them now. | 20:17 |
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| dave-mccowan | ok, let's wrap for now. i'll have a better agenda for next week and hopefully more Barbicaneers. :-) | 20:19 |
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| kfarr | Thanks dave-mccowan! | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | Happy Thanksgiving! | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 21 20:20:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-11-21-20.01.html | 20:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-11-21-20.01.txt | 20:20 |
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| heidijoy | Hello friends! | 21:01 |
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| MeganR | Hi! | 21:01 |
| GeraldK_ | Hello | 21:01 |
| shamail | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 21 21:01:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
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| shamail | Hi everyone! | 21:02 |
| shamail | Who’s here today? | 21:02 |
| heidijoy | o? | 21:02 |
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| heidijoy | o/ | 21:02 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:02 |
| shamail | Awesome! | 21:02 |
| GeraldK_ | Hi | 21:02 |
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| shamail | Our agenda for today: | 21:02 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
| shamail | Carol is out this week | 21:02 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we have quorum | 21:02 |
| shamail | Yep | 21:03 |
| shamail | Let’s begin | 21:03 |
| shamail | #topic Discuss Roadmap refresh plan | 21:03 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | how can we help? | 21:03 |
| shamail | As mentioned in the last meeting, we are not conducting an “Ocata Design Series” video interviews since this is a short release cycle and we decided to focus on improving our roadmap process and heidijoy is busy with a new user survey | 21:04 |
| shamail | We had discussed trying to automate the roadmap data collection and make it into a self-service model | 21:04 |
| heidijoy | I'd like to figure out how we can best automate the roadmap creation process. Mike Perez from the OSF is also working on automating release notes, so these might go hand in hand. | 21:05 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 21:05 |
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| shamail | hi mrhillsman | 21:05 |
| shamail | Agree heidijoy | 21:05 |
| heidijoy | One option I'm considering is a Google Form (or similar) collection tool. That would collect everything in one spreadsheet automatically. | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on automation. we will still need to poke PTLs on it | 21:06 |
| shamail | Initial thought was to turn our “script” into a RST template that could be generated into a web page (similar to specs) | 21:06 |
| heidijoy | The poking will probably still need to be manual, as would be the follow up for things left unclear | 21:06 |
| shamail | I was hoping we could talk to the release management team and ask them to help us put “generate roadmap RST” on the release process checklist | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we want PTL to do self interview or only fill forms? | 21:07 |
| shamail | that could raise awareness even without us contacting the teams directly | 21:07 |
| heidijoy | +1 on something that would auto generate to be visible to all. Would the release management team have bandwidth to help on this? | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | And we will figure out antuomated mechanism for generating slides | 21:07 |
| shamail | Release management wouldn’t need to help but rather just raise awareness it exists and should be completed | 21:08 |
| heidijoy | Do we even need slides if we are generating answers to a web page? | 21:08 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I think the initial data will be self-service but we might need to follow-up still to get clarification as needed when generating the content in other formats (slides, breakout sessions, etc) | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:08 |
| shamail | heidijoy: I don’t think we should need slides but might need to create some for a summit session | 21:08 |
| kencjohnston | +1 to a self service, community generated content vehicle | 21:09 |
| shamail | The summit slides could even be a summary of the web pages | 21:09 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: Is this somethign we could do in the PWG or UC repo? | 21:09 |
| heidijoy | What if we think of the collection of data in two parts (form + follow up questions 1:1), and the expression/sharing of data in two parts (auto-generated web page/results; and roadmap team analysis) | 21:09 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: I think it would be the PWG repo since we would want to ensure timely merges (and not have to put that burden on UC members) | 21:09 |
| shamail | heidijoy: +1 | 21:10 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: +1 | 21:10 |
| shamail | The goal for today was to shed some more light on what we meant by “optimize roadmap” and “self service" | 21:10 |
| GeraldK_ | good thoughts heidijoy and shamail | 21:10 |
| heidijoy | +1 summit slides= summary of web pages. That would hit the two-part concept I'm thinking of. | 21:10 |
| shamail | I will be glad to take the action item to send an email to the UC ML and solicit sub-team members | 21:10 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: heidijoy If we did the colleciton of data in the form of an RST there would be an opportunity for back and forth in the review | 21:10 |
| shamail | We can meet independently and provide updates to the PWG as a whole periodically, thoughts? | 21:11 |
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| heidijoy | +1 @kencjonston with the back & forth | 21:11 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: Good point, we could even do it via exchanges in the change itself and it would be archived | 21:11 |
| shamail | Does everyone agree with this plan? (shamail to send out ML notice for roadmap sub-team, team will make progress on this outside of normal PWG meetings?) | 21:12 |
| heidijoy | +1 | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:12 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 21:12 |
| GeraldK_ | +1 | 21:12 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: sounds good to me, can you add me back tothe roadmap sub-team? | 21:12 |
| shamail | #agree Shamail to send out ML notice for roadmap sub-team (team will focus on automation/self-service/outputs) | 21:12 |
| shamail | absolutely kencjohnston, thanks! | 21:12 |
| shamail | Okay to move to next topic? | 21:13 |
| mrhillsman | should #agree be #action shamail? :) | 21:13 |
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| shamail | I don’t like actions, too rigid! | 21:13 |
| heidijoy | I'd definitely like to be on the subteam, and would add that we could revise the Q&A for the RST and bring it back to the PWG for any feedback | 21:13 |
| shamail | JK, good catch :P | 21:13 |
| shamail | #action Shamail to send out ML notice for roadmap sub-team (team will focus on automation/self-service/outputs) | 21:13 |
| shamail | heidijoy: +1 | 21:13 |
| shamail | #topic Overview of Swift questions about requirements and plans to setup a call to discuss | 21:13 |
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| shamail | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dmpNy5vSeTRn7CBCnELMFXBvshauPbnqQdNASXFnjRY/edit?usp=sharing | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we still need to add new themes to questionarre for self service | 21:14 |
| shamail | John (notmyname) had a brief discussion with some of us at the last ops meetup to bring up a request for PWG | 21:14 |
| notmyname | just questions about when/how/where/what people are using related to swift | 21:15 |
| shamail | The Swift team has been working on multiple features for end users and they wanted some market research to get data points for decision making in the team | 21:15 |
| shamail | Hi notmyname | 21:15 |
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| shamail | We had asked the OpenStack UX team to help with this request but they are already at capacity for the cycle so we wanted to bring the request back into PWG | 21:15 |
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| shamail | Please see the linked google doc for the questions that notmyname submitted | 21:16 |
| notmyname | TBH, I'm not entirely sure of even the right questions to ask :-) | 21:16 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | are you asking for us to add more questions to the list? | 21:16 |
| notmyname | but my goal, in general (and like everyone here, I think), is to understand more about how people use what's available and what are the gaps in areas they might use swift | 21:16 |
| shamail | notmyname: It’s as good as a starting point as any… If we get user feedback that indicates they cant answer them then we can refactor | 21:16 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Heidi will oyu review and polish questions before doing questionarre distribution? | 21:17 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: no, I am sharing the list that Swift generated… the goal for us would be to get feedback on those questions from our customers and internal users of Swift | 21:17 |
| shamail | notmyname: +1 | 21:17 |
| shamail | On that note, would people be willing to help collect answers/feedback on these questions? | 21:17 |
| shamail | We can schedule a call with the volunteers | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I would like to add a couple more, releated to multisite and upgrade | 21:18 |
| notmyname | great! | 21:18 |
| shamail | Sounds good Arkady_Kanevsky, please add as a comment and we can append | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on help with questionare distribution and answser collecting | 21:18 |
| shamail | Anyone willing to help on this? | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will add to google doc | 21:18 |
| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:19 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston or mrhillsman, would Rackspace be able to provide answers from a user perspective at least? | 21:19 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: Sure, we can take a look and ask our swift operators team. | 21:19 |
| shamail | I will follow up with my teams as well (Blue Box Cloud and SoftLayer) | 21:19 |
| shamail | Thanks kencjohnston | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | done - adding questions. | 21:20 |
| shamail | #action Shamail/Carol to schedule a call with Carol, Arkady, John, Shamail to build plan | 21:20 |
| kencjohnston | notmyname: Is the best way to provide a response inline on that GoogleDOc? | 21:20 |
| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | How do we want to distribute questions and collect answers? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | sure. actually, whatever works for this group. I emailed some questions to someone, and today there's a google doc and people talking about it in IRC. so whatever works with your process--I don't really care | 21:21 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: notmyname I might have missed it but this would be a good candidate for an operators and PWG mailling list post. | 21:21 |
| shamail | Changed link to edit permissions | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | each one of us independently to our sales folks to Customers? | 21:21 |
| kencjohnston | notmyname: cool +1 | 21:21 |
| shamail | (sorry about that) | 21:21 |
| shamail | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dmpNy5vSeTRn7CBCnELMFXBvshauPbnqQdNASXFnjRY/edit?usp=sharing | 21:21 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:21 |
| shamail | Alright, moving on… | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Or will be sent as part of foundation questionarre by Heidi? | 21:22 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: no, this is separate most likely because we can only accomodate a few questions per project in the user survey | 21:22 |
| mrhillsman | shamail how about sending something to ops ML as well | 21:23 |
| shamail | mrhillsman: +1 | 21:23 |
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| shamail | I think we’ll have the initial call and then finalize format and start sharing the questions broadly | 21:23 |
| mrhillsman | not sure if i missed that suggestion since i had to walk away | 21:23 |
| mrhillsman | ok | 21:23 |
| shamail | #topic Ops Midcycle Discussion | 21:23 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | <shamail> +1 | 21:23 |
| shamail | mrhillsman could you update the team on the ops meetup logistics? | 21:23 |
| shamail | (date, place, etc) | 21:24 |
| mrhillsman | sure, sec | 21:24 |
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| shamail | thanks | 21:24 |
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| mrhillsman | March 15-16 2017 | 21:24 |
| mrhillsman | Milano, Italy | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | so we have summit in Boston in May, PTG in Atlanta in Feb and ops midcycle in Milan between them??? | 21:25 |
| shamail | Thanks mrhillsman! | 21:25 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Yes sir | 21:25 |
| mrhillsman | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-spring-2017 | 21:25 |
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| shamail | mrhillsman: Is the etherpad to suggest topics already available too? | 21:25 |
| mrhillsman | This is the two proposals we got with details required to submit proposal per se | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | 3 meetings per release around the world - too much! | 21:25 |
| mrhillsman | It is the one at the bottom | 21:26 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Hopefully not everyone will need to attend all three | 21:26 |
| mrhillsman | I want to say we are sending that out tomorrow shamail as we have to get some last minute details from sponsor | 21:26 |
| kencjohnston | Are PWG folks planning on attending the PTG? | 21:26 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: thats the next topic | 21:26 |
| shamail | but I am not | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | True but a few of us will have too | 21:26 |
| shamail | Awesome mrhillsman, we’ll keep our eye on the mailing list! | 21:27 |
| leong | i'm not sure.. depending on travel budget | 21:27 |
| mrhillsman | I did create shamail and so anyone in this meeting is welcome to contribute now | 21:27 |
| mrhillsman | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 21:27 |
| shamail | The first question for our team… Do people think they can make the ops meetup in Italy? We usually co-locate our midcycles with ops. | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | mrhillsman - thanks for info. | 21:27 |
| mrhillsman | It is still in draft status as noted at the top :) | 21:27 |
| shamail | Thanks! | 21:27 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 21:27 |
| shamail | I am tentative for now, I won’t know for sure until Q1’17. | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | <shamail> - TBD from DellEMC | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | me too | 21:28 |
| leong | same here.. not sure till Q117 | 21:28 |
| MeganR | I am tentative, but highly doubtful :) | 21:28 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: I likely could as long as both are together. | 21:28 |
| shamail | Thanks, anyone else know yes/no/maybe? | 21:28 |
| GeraldK_ | same here: still missing final authorization | 21:28 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: I am banking on that too | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we have an etherpad where we track our midcycle with proposed place and dates? | 21:29 |
| kencjohnston | the "two-fer" has strong sway, likely wouldn't make the ops if there was no PWG | 21:29 |
| shamail | #info Most of the team can not confirm whether they will be able to attend ops midcycle until Q1’17 | 21:29 |
| shamail | #info Co-locating does create a better “justification” | 21:29 |
| shamail | Alright, we’ll defer for now but that was good data | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on better justification | 21:30 |
| mrhillsman | we are still discussing that at well | 21:30 |
| GeraldK_ | Milano is close to Munich, so good chances on my side to be able to join | 21:30 |
| shamail | Nice GeraldK_ | 21:30 |
| shamail | #topic PTG Discussion | 21:30 |
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| mrhillsman | i think general consensus is co-locating as much as possible is great | 21:30 |
| shamail | PTG is in Atlanta (Feb.) | 21:30 |
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| shamail | mrhillsman: ++ | 21:30 |
| shamail | Who is planning on attending the PTG? | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | TBD from me till Q1'17 | 21:31 |
| GeraldK_ | -1 for me | 21:31 |
| shamail | I will not be attending as I don’t think I would contribute much | 21:31 |
| mrhillsman | ^ same here | 21:31 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: I will not be attending | 21:31 |
| MeganR | not planning to attend, will formalize plans after "holiday" | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | are we better colocated with ops or PTG? | 21:31 |
| shamail | #info PTG count: Arkady_Kanevsky (maybe); GeraldK_, shamail, mrhillsman, kencjohnston (no); MeganR (maybe but leaning no) | 21:32 |
| shamail | :D | 21:32 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: IMHO, ops | 21:32 |
| shamail | PTG is for building execution plans whereas ops and Forum are for requirements gathering/sharing | 21:32 |
| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky: shamail +1 on colocating with ops | 21:33 |
| mrhillsman | ptg is going to be totally or should be totally about working on code | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I have major concern with separate ops and PTG? | 21:33 |
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| shamail | Agree, a new requirement being shared at PTG is misaligned | 21:33 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | engineering work becomes more disconnected from operators and requirements | 21:33 |
| GeraldK_ | I agree | 21:34 |
| mrhillsman | my understanding is this first go round is more about debt | 21:34 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I will send you a link, ttx and emagana have done a great job describing how it doesnt create a gap | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks shamail | 21:34 |
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| shamail | Should I send the link to overall ML if others are interested? | 21:34 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 21:34 |
| GeraldK_ | +1 | 21:34 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: is the link not o.o/ptg? | 21:35 |
| shamail | Will do | 21:35 |
| shamail | It is a superuser article and ttx’s blog and the one you mentioned | 21:35 |
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| shamail | I was going to consolidate a few sources | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:35 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: OK, the FAQ on the ptg page is pretty all encompassing | 21:35 |
| shamail | To not only share what PTG is but how PTG and Forum interlock | 21:35 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:35 |
| shamail | #action Send out link to PTG/Forum resources to team for context of the events | 21:36 |
| shamail | #topic Follow-up on “Definition of Done” email thread | 21:36 |
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| shamail | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-November/001413.html | 21:36 |
| shamail | In the last meeting, we had a great discussion on one of the items from the BCN F2F… the definition of done | 21:37 |
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| shamail | pchadwick had sent out an email summary and we generated more conversation on this topic on the ML | 21:37 |
| shamail | leong summarized the flow workflow in his message: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-November/001432.html | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Like Leong summary and 4 stages | 21:38 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky raised a point about differentiating implemented | 21:38 |
| shamail | I like it too except I would like to see the last status be us tracking completion of the specs/bps | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | leong also includes 4 stages with specific items to cover in each | 21:39 |
| shamail | 3.3 in the email is “User story is “done” when all blueprint/spec are merged.” | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | That is 3.2 | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | 3.2 for blueprints and spec tracking | 21:40 |
| shamail | leong: Were 3.2 and 3.3 tracking status of the bp/spec or the code associated with them? | 21:40 |
| shamail | e.g. is 3.3 marked “done” when bp has a milestone or spec has been merged or when code with topic aligned to bp/spec is merged? | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I expect that if we need to create new projects we track specific specs and blueprints in to for a user story | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | in it | 21:41 |
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| shamail | We can work on the details when revisiting the workflow but do we agree with those four stages? (User Story defined, User Story prepared, User Story ready, User Story implemented)? | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:42 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: +1 | 21:42 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:42 |
| shamail | Going once.... | 21:42 |
| shamail | twice… | 21:42 |
| GeraldK_ | I would tend to say "when code with topic aligned to bp/spec is merged". only then, we can ensure that code and the feature is available. | 21:42 |
| MeganR | +1 | 21:43 |
| shamail | GeraldK_: +1 | 21:43 |
| GeraldK_ | with just a spec merged, it could still be abandoned and no code being created | 21:43 |
| shamail | #agree Workflow will have four stages (User Story defined, User Story prepared, User Story ready, User Story implemented) | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | GeraldK_: +1 | 21:43 |
| shamail | agreed | 21:43 |
| shamail | We will follow-up this conversation with a more detailed workflow conversation in the future | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | spec blueprint impk,emented - not abandon | 21:43 |
| shamail | We will have to address the topic of bp/spec merge vs code related to bp/spec, how to solicit feedback from broader community, etc. (I am sure there are other topics that need clarification) | 21:44 |
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| shamail | 4 stages feels right | 21:44 |
| shamail | #topic Open | 21:44 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree - details to be worked out. But 4 stages approved | 21:44 |
| shamail | Anyone have any other topics they would like to discuss? | 21:44 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Yes - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Product_Working_Group | 21:45 |
| shamail | MarkBaker: Are you here? | 21:45 |
| leong | sorry shamail.. was distracted... i am assuming that 3.2/3.3 can be tracked by User-Story-Tracker tool | 21:45 |
| shamail | Go ahead Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:45 |
| GeraldK_ | arkady_Kanevsky has submitted a new patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358888/ | 21:45 |
| shamail | thx leong | 21:45 |
| GeraldK_ | would be good if people could review it | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I send email for folks to updated/add PWG wiki page for liason | 21:45 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358888/ | 21:45 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Did you get any updates? | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | no. except mine | 21:46 |
| shamail | :( | 21:46 |
| shamail | Can you please send out another reminder after the holiday? We can also add an agenda item in the next meeting. | 21:46 |
| GeraldK_ | shamail, what kind of updates are you referring to? | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | asking for peoplle to take a quick look now. Andd if some projects are missing which they want to cover | 21:47 |
| shamail | I am wondering if it partially got lost due to people recovering after being gone for BCN and now Thanksgiving | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | GeraldK - need a couple of +2 for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358888/ | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | As far as I am concern it is done | 21:47 |
| GeraldK_ | yes | 21:47 |
| shamail | #action Please review https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Product_Working_Group and volunteer to be a CPL… If you are a CPL already then please let Arkady_Kanevsky know its still valid for your project | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | <shamail> - possible. I sent email during last Monday meeting | 21:48 |
| shamail | Alright Arkady_Kanevsky, I will try to look at it over the next couple of days | 21:48 |
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| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky and GeraldK_ | 21:48 |
| shamail | Anything else? | 21:48 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | none from me | 21:48 |
| mrhillsman | nothing from me | 21:48 |
| shamail | Alright , have a great week everyone! | 21:48 |
| mrhillsman | you too! | 21:49 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 21:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 21 21:49:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-11-21-21.01.html | 21:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-11-21-21.01.txt | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | have a great thanksgiving | 21:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-11-21-21.01.log.html | 21:49 |
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| GeraldK_ | have a great Thanksgiving | 21:49 |
| shamail | Yep, hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving | 21:49 |
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| shamail | bye | 21:49 |
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| jeblair | hello people who meet about zuul | 22:00 |
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| fungi | there are no people, only zuul | 22:01 |
| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 22:01 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 22:01 |
| phschwartz | o/ | 22:01 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 22:01 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 21 22:01:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:01 |
| Shrews | yo | 22:01 |
| jeblair | hi all. i know we have some apologies for absences today... | 22:02 |
| phschwartz | Hi | 22:02 |
| jeblair | so this might be brief | 22:02 |
| jeblair | i know that would be disappointing | 22:02 |
| jeblair | but we will cope | 22:02 |
| Shrews | say it ain't so | 22:02 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:02 |
| jeblair | there is our shiny new agenda! | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:03 | |
| jeblair | jeblair set up meeting agenda wiki page | 22:03 |
| jeblair | done! | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #action jeblair work with Shuo_ to document roadmap location / process | 22:03 |
| jeblair | not so much with that one yet | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:04 | |
| jeblair | let's talk about nodepool/zookeeper | 22:04 |
| * zaro lurks for the latest news | 22:04 | |
| jeblair | i think we're really really close there | 22:04 |
| pabelanger | Ya, I'm happy how well it is going too | 22:04 |
| jeblair | pabelanger, Shrews: are we about there on the test-reenablement front? | 22:04 |
| pabelanger | I think we are in good shape. I believe all our existing tests ther were disabled, have been re-enabled (up for review or merged) | 22:05 |
| pabelanger | I | 22:05 |
| Shrews | 4 in test_commands, 3 in test_nodepool, 1 in test_webapp | 22:05 |
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| Shrews | according to a quick "git grep" | 22:05 |
| Shrews | some of those probably have reviews up | 22:06 |
| jeblair | yeah, i know there are at least a few | 22:06 |
| jeblair | so we're probably down to the last 1-3 or something like that | 22:06 |
| jeblair | we've also been polishing up the procedures for enabling/disabling images/providers | 22:06 |
| jeblair | and we identified last week an operational need for a 'pause' attribute to temporarily suspend image builds | 22:07 |
| jeblair | i think that will end up being a 10 line change, i can write that after the meeting | 22:07 |
| jeblair | we also recently discussed rolling this out into production | 22:07 |
| jeblair | and that we would like to spin up a new builder host and run this on it in parallel while we continue using the current system | 22:08 |
| jeblair | that way we can watch image builds and uploads, make sure it works well, and see if we can get a quorum of images in zk | 22:08 |
| jeblair | (if we can't, we could always port the data over) | 22:09 |
| jeblair | i think we can probably make that happen by the end of wednesday? what do folks think? | 22:09 |
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| Shrews | i'm out on Wednesday | 22:10 |
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| pabelanger | internet is poor where I am :( | 22:11 |
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| jeblair | Shrews: maybe we can make it happen before then :) but also, maybe by then we'll just be down to puppet changes | 22:11 |
| pabelanger | Ya, I've starte on puppet-nodepool changes. I can pick that up again this week | 22:12 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: let's see how far we can get | 22:13 |
| pabelanger | ack | 22:13 |
| Shrews | how many ZK nodes in the cluster are you planning to use? | 22:13 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'll be around, so i can check things during EMEA times if needed | 22:13 |
| jeblair | Shrews: just one for starters | 22:13 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: cool! | 22:13 |
| jhesketh | ditto APAC time for me | 22:14 |
| Shrews | jhesketh: who needs redundancy? :-P | 22:14 |
| Shrews | err, jeblair | 22:15 |
| Shrews | darn you, tab completion | 22:15 |
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| jeblair | Shrews: not us -- not on a system which is, today, entirely contained on a single host. :) | 22:15 |
| fungi | wednesday will mostly be entertaining in-laws for me, so not much help sorry :/ | 22:15 |
| Shrews | jeblair: maybe we should do some disaster testing... like, killing the single ZK node to see what breaks and what cleanup looks like | 22:16 |
| phschwartz | About the same here but for most of the morning est I can lend a hand. | 22:16 |
| jeblair | Shrews: we can expand that perhaps after we start running a builder, and maybe before we start running separate node workers. | 22:16 |
| phschwartz | If this will be turned on at all in production I would advise against 1 zk node | 22:17 |
| pabelanger | I'll be on a train again Wednesday, but should be able to help too | 22:17 |
| jeblair | Shrews: yeah, that's a good idea. i feel certain we're going to want some "--force" commands to forcibly alter the ZK tree. | 22:17 |
| jeblair | Shrews: and of course, developing some tests for that once we figure out how would be nice as well. :) | 22:17 |
| Shrews | yup | 22:17 |
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| jeblair | phschwartz: well, we want the entire system to scale down to being able to run on one node (zuul and zookeeper) for the very small case. so if zk can't run with just a single node, we have made a very bad mistake. | 22:18 |
| mordred | ohai | 22:18 |
| jeblair | i haven't encountered anything that suggests that though | 22:19 |
| phschwartz | You can run it with a single zk node but there is no data safety guarantee which is bad. | 22:19 |
| phschwartz | You can loose the running data set with the last journal set to replay from which can be missing stuff. | 22:20 |
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| phschwartz | It is not a show stopper for dev systems and such. But I would say yes for prod if we don't want a chance of loosing stuff. | 22:20 |
| jeblair | well, if we want to support one-node operation, we may need to be aware of that limitation and work around it | 22:21 |
| phschwartz | Ack | 22:21 |
| Shrews | yep, thus my suggestion for disaster scenerio testing | 22:22 |
| mordred | what does "lose the running data set with the last journal set to replay from which can be missing stuff" mean? | 22:22 |
| mordred | is that a thing that's a case that happens if the machine restarts hard? | 22:22 |
| mordred | or just a thing that can happen while it's running? | 22:22 |
| Shrews | mordred: it means we all go drinking when that happens | 22:22 |
| mordred | neat! | 22:22 |
| jeblair | (for instance, it sounds like we might end up leaking an image or node -- fortunately, openstack has taught us to be pretty skeptical of that sort of thing, so we often have routines that deal with stuff like that) | 22:22 |
| clarkb | mordred: hard restart | 22:23 |
| clarkb | its no different than today with gearman aiui | 22:23 |
| pabelanger | right | 22:23 |
| mordred | ack | 22:23 |
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| phschwartz | The only difference is the journal can be damn large and take a long time to replay to get back up to date | 22:24 |
| phschwartz | But not a showstopper by any means. | 22:24 |
| jeblair | cool, i'm in favor of building systems that are pretty resilient to that kind of thing. i think nodepool is currently to a signifigant degree. we'll run into some edge cases with zk which are new to us and we'll have to fix them up. but dealing with surprising data is something we can do. | 22:24 |
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| jeblair | i think that covers it for nodepool for now | 22:27 |
| jeblair | any status updates re zuul? | 22:27 |
| pabelanger | nothing, for me. I've shifted to nodepool this past week | 22:28 |
| jeblair | (and yeah, i think the push on nodepool right now is a good idea) | 22:28 |
| rcarrillocruz | i have a handful of devstack-gate ansible roles in review for some time | 22:28 |
| jhesketh | jeblair: it's not v3 related, but I'd like reviews on the sql reporter: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223333/ | 22:29 |
| mordred | I keep thinking that's landed | 22:29 |
| mordred | rcarrillocruz: oh yeah? you got a topic? | 22:29 |
| rcarrillocruz | also, awaiting for the secrets spec to land ( i +1, jhesketh too), so i can move forward implementation | 22:29 |
| rcarrillocruz | mordred: zuulv3 | 22:29 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: oh yes, that's a good idea. i'm happy to do so (i think it's grandfathered in to pass the v2 feature freeze) | 22:29 |
| jhesketh | I'm also working on merging master into feature/zuulv3 which I assume we still want to do | 22:30 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: ++ | 22:30 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: i'm not seeing your changes under topic zuulv3 | 22:30 |
| jhesketh | I poked around merging nodepool master into the feature branch too which looks like it might pick up some useful changes... Is this a thing we want to try and do or should I go through and cherrypick anythign that might be applicable given how close it is | 22:30 |
| mordred | jeblair: I do actually: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/devstack-gate+branch:master+topic:zuulv3 | 22:31 |
| rcarrillocruz | jeblair: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:zuulv3 i do, maybe cos those changes are openstack-infra/devstack-gate ? | 22:31 |
| mordred | rcarrillocruz: sorry - I had missed those - they're on my list now | 22:31 |
| rcarrillocruz | no worries, thanks | 22:31 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: i'm very excited that's happening! :) | 22:31 |
| rcarrillocruz | ++ | 22:31 |
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| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: oh, i see my problem. sorry. :) | 22:32 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: if you can give that a shot, i think it would be useful. | 22:32 |
| rcarrillocruz | we need cross-project topics in gerrit naow :P | 22:32 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: i hope the builder in master hasn't changed much | 22:33 |
| jhesketh | jeblair: we'll need to set the acl's to allow merge commits, so I'll do that shortly | 22:33 |
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| jeblair | jhesketh: cool. | 22:33 |
| jhesketh | err, there's some big merge conflicts that I need to figure out if they are useful | 22:33 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: ok, let me know if you need help sorting through that. | 22:34 |
| jhesketh | thanks :-) | 22:34 |
| jhesketh | so I realise I'm jumping back to nodepool again, but after we test/prove the new system, how soon do we plan on cutting the feature branch over to master? | 22:34 |
| jeblair | and, ftr, i think the plan is that once we are ready to use this builder in production, we will merge the zuulv3 branch of nodepool into master | 22:34 |
| jhesketh | can we do that before zuulv3 is ready for example? (ie asap) | 22:34 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: yep | 22:34 |
| jeblair | puppet-openstackci has a pin on it, so it should be safe | 22:34 |
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| jhesketh | heh, cool, thanks :-) | 22:35 |
| jeblair | and, it is definitely something people can start running if they want | 22:35 |
| jhesketh | jeblair: you want to merge the feature branch into master? or do you want to switch the branch to become master | 22:35 |
| jeblair | ie, it's still compatible with zuulv2 | 22:35 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: merge otherwise its non fast forward | 22:36 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: i think merge into master (but prefer v3 in conflict resolution -- which, hopefully, there won't be any after you finish your work) | 22:36 |
| jhesketh | okay, we'll have to resolve the diffs then | 22:36 |
| jhesketh | yep | 22:36 |
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| jeblair | one last status update: SpamapS found an issue with zuulv3 job configuration in his work on tests. i think i have a solution for that which i will write a patch for soon | 22:39 |
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| jeblair | moving on -- i'm going to skip progress summary since SpamapS isn't around... | 22:39 |
| jeblair | #topic Announcements of areas of interest | 22:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements of areas of interest (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:39 | |
| jeblair | anyone have anything new they'd like to start working on? | 22:40 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i have, but don't want to put more on my plate till i have something decent for the zuul secrets stuff | 22:40 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: ++ that's a big one | 22:40 |
| jeblair | and actually, with that... | 22:41 |
| rcarrillocruz | in particular, nodepool working with other node providers, which can be another big one :P | 22:41 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: yes, that will be important, but it's also not in our critical path to get the initial zuulv3 version out the door | 22:41 |
| rcarrillocruz | ++ agreed | 22:41 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: but that will build on the next stage of nodepool work, so good to be involved in that and make sure we're setting things up so we can accomplish that later | 22:42 |
| jeblair | (the use zk for node builders phase) | 22:42 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'll def. keen an eye on that | 22:42 |
| fungi | jeblair: are you planning to propose the outstanding zuul spec updates at the infra meeting tomorrow, or giving them another week to firm up first? | 22:43 |
| jeblair | i think next week i should be able to clean up the spec update for that, and maybe we can review it | 22:43 |
| jeblair | #topic Secrets spec update | 22:43 |
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| fungi | aha, excellent | 22:43 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/386281 | 22:43 |
| jeblair | i think that is ready now | 22:43 |
| jeblair | fungi: so i'd like to put it on tomorrows agenda | 22:44 |
| fungi | sounds great | 22:44 |
| jeblair | mordred, fungi: i would especially like your reviews on it before it merges | 22:44 |
| fungi | already have the latest diff pulled up, thanks for the reminder | 22:45 |
| jeblair | but you've both been involved in it enough now that i think we can safely open it up for council vote | 22:45 |
| fungi | i agree | 22:45 |
| jeblair | (and of course, i only didn't mention rcarrillocruz there since he already voted on it :) | 22:45 |
| rcarrillocruz | ++ | 22:45 |
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| jeblair | but anyone else who would like to go over it with a fine tooth comb, that would be great. there is much opportunity for us to shoot ourselves in the foot with this. :) | 22:46 |
| jeblair | i'll put it on the infra meeting agenda | 22:47 |
| jeblair | fungi: and yeah, the other 2 outstanding ones i'm not quite ready for, but hope to clean up after this one | 22:47 |
| jeblair | #topic Open Discussion | 22:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:48 | |
| jeblair | ...so not that short after all... | 22:48 |
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| Shrews | Many thanks to pabelanger for jumping in on the nodepool test enablement and new tests. That pushed us along quite awesomely. | 22:49 |
| rcarrillocruz | \o/ | 22:49 |
| Shrews | and found cool bugs | 22:49 |
| pabelanger | Shrews: no problem, thanks for the awesome zk.py, for make it easy to use :) | 22:49 |
| clarkb | for turning the builder on if we preserve the ezisting log publiahing that should help people debug any potential issues | 22:49 |
| clarkb | also exct upload failures | 22:50 |
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| jeblair | yes, i'd like to add that it's been really fun working with Shrews, pabelanger, and clarkb on pushing hard on getting the nodepool builder ready for production :) | 22:50 |
| clarkb | ok now I afk again | 22:50 |
| jeblair | shall we end this with clarkb's mic drop? | 22:51 |
| Shrews | word | 22:51 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 22:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 21 22:51:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2016/zuul.2016-11-21-22.01.html | 22:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2016/zuul.2016-11-21-22.01.txt | 22:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2016/zuul.2016-11-21-22.01.log.html | 22:51 |
| fungi | thanks, jeblair! | 22:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | thanks ! | 22:52 |
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