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| IgorYozhikov | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 10 13:01:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is IgorYozhikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:02 |
| toabctl | hi | 13:02 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #chair IgorYozhikov | 13:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov | 13:02 |
| IgorYozhikov | #chair IgorYozhikov toabctl | 13:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov toabctl | 13:02 |
| IgorYozhikov | let's spend a couple of minutes on agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:02 |
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| jruzicka | o/ | 13:03 |
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| jpena | o/ | 13:03 |
| number80 | o/ | 13:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | yey number80 nice to c u here | 13:03 |
| sayalilunkad | hello | 13:04 |
| IgorYozhikov | if every1 is fine with agenda - let's start? | 13:06 |
| toabctl | yep. let's start | 13:06 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #topic (dev core projects + glare), let's discusss keystone & apache (IgorYozhikov) | 13:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "(dev core projects + glare), let's discusss keystone & apache (IgorYozhikov) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:06 | |
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| IgorYozhikov | As was discussed in Barcelona we are going to build dev core projects | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | and I'm suggesting to start from keystone | 13:07 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I'm working on spec.j2 at current moment | 13:07 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, nice! | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | and I want to rise a question about apache | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | since Newton keystone as aodh was moved under apache as wsgi app | 13:08 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I want to suggest to add a sub-package kyestone-httpd which is going to install apache configuration files of keystone services into /etc/httpd/... | 13:10 |
| toabctl | for suse it's /etc/apache2 | 13:10 |
| toabctl | didn't we discuss that already in barcelona? (but I don't rememeber the outcome) | 13:10 |
| toabctl | I would just start without that and install the example config in %doc | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, we discussed a multiple config dirs in systemd units | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | which are feats all distros | 13:11 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, we could add if {SUSE} for that purpose | 13:12 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, still not convinced. we currently don't have that package (I think nobody has) | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | and this will solve diff in apache etc folder path | 13:13 |
| toabctl | so this would need adjustments to all deployment tools | 13:13 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, also it could be done in %post | 13:14 |
| toabctl | also looks like rdo is installing it in %datadir | 13:14 |
| toabctl | number80, any opinion? | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | 4 example - determin os and put proper config into proper places | 13:14 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, could we just start without it? to keep things simple and see if we need it later? | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl sure | 13:15 |
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| IgorYozhikov | we are placing keystone config under https in out install job scripts | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | and by default in mos all apache configs are installed into %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/keystone/ | 13:16 |
| toabctl | I think that's fine | 13:17 |
| toabctl | so let's just do it as it is currently. | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok, going to propose changes in a couple of hours than :) | 13:17 |
| toabctl | great! | 13:17 |
| toabctl | #action IgorYozhikov proposes spec template for keystone | 13:18 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #agreed on storing wsgi keystone configuration under %{_datadir}/keystone/ | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | do we have anything else related to keystone? | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | nope... | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | another project which I want to discuss - https://github.com/openstack/glare | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | As I know it useful for app catalog | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | and also for murano | 13:21 |
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| IgorYozhikov | here I want to get your opinion | 13:21 |
| toabctl | about what? | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | about support of this project within our initiative | 13:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | may be not now, may be in a couple of months | 13:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | after we will done with glance 4 example | 13:22 |
| toabctl | it's afaik glancev3. so we should support it. but since we don't even have keystone and all the other core services it's imo uselsss to discuss this | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm fine with it, so that's why I started with keystone :) | 13:24 |
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| IgorYozhikov | moving to reviews? | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic - packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) | 13:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "- packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:25 | |
| IgorYozhikov | any updates for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382196/ from SUSE side? | 13:26 |
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| toabctl | I haven't looked into that. dirk did but he's traveling currently | 13:27 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ok, so we can postpone this until dirk will get back | 13:27 |
| toabctl | ActionException: Failed to send HTTP request: HTTPConnectionPool(host='www.example.com', port=80): Max retries exceeded with url: / (Caused by NewConnectionError('<requests.packages.urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at 0x7fba6351ef50>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno -2] Name or service not known',)) | 13:27 |
| toabctl | looks like the tests want to access the internet | 13:28 |
| toabctl | but yeah, let's wait for dirk with that. | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | we do not have epoch folder for mitaka branch | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | should we backport it from newton? | 13:30 |
| toabctl | I think yes | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | also this will unblock - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380834/ from failing | 13:31 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, could you please backport epoch to mitaka? | 13:32 |
| toabctl | not sure if I find time for that in the next week | 13:32 |
| toabctl | I can try | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | thanx any way | 13:32 |
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| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396150/2 | 13:33 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jpena, number80 ^^^^^ | 13:33 |
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| number80 | ack | 13:35 |
| number80 | Yes, I asked Chandan to submit that macro in openstack-macros | 13:35 |
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| IgorYozhikov | so if these changes will work 4 all - let's merge them? | 13:37 |
| IgorYozhikov | or version update required? | 13:37 |
| IgorYozhikov | due to changes in code | 13:38 |
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| number80 | I'd like to get feedback from people outside RH before merging | 13:38 |
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| number80 | we can update the package async | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | wfm | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | anything else from j2 reviews we need to pay attention? | 13:39 |
| IgorYozhikov | moving further? | 13:41 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/renderspec+status:open | 13:41 |
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| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384622/ | 13:42 |
| toabctl | I need to fix the comments from alan. | 13:42 |
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| toabctl | it's on my todo list but I guess I'll not find time for that soon | 13:43 |
| IgorYozhikov | i c | 13:43 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #topic open floor | 13:43 |
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| IgorYozhikov | we have ~quarter of hour | 13:44 |
| IgorYozhikov | do we have something else to discuss today? | 13:44 |
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| sayalilunkad | IgorYozhikov: is there a patch already for the template work you are doing? | 13:44 |
| IgorYozhikov | sayalilunkad, - yep , locally, will upload it today | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | I need to run a couple of tests before uploading | 13:45 |
| sayalilunkad | IgorYozhikov: I would like to help with that if there is something to do there | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | sayalilunkad, cool :) | 13:46 |
| sayalilunkad | IgorYozhikov: thanks! | 13:46 |
| jpena | there's some progress in the RDO CI. We have some jobs reporting at https://review.rdoproject.org/jenkins/job/DLRN-rpmbuild-rpm-packaging/, but we're still facing some issues (with our Zuul). Hope to fix them soon | 13:48 |
| IgorYozhikov | ah, sounds good ╰(*´︶`*)╯ | 13:48 |
| IgorYozhikov | if nothing else - going to close meeting in a minute | 13:50 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #endmeeting | 13:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 10 13:52:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-11-10-13.01.html | 13:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-11-10-13.01.txt | 13:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-11-10-13.01.log.html | 13:52 |
| IgorYozhikov | c u :) | 13:52 |
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| number80 | thanks IgorYozhikov | 13:56 |
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| szaher | #startmeeting freezer | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 10 14:02:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szaher. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:02 |
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| szaher | Hello everyone | 14:02 |
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| szaher | let's wait 5 minutes for everyone to join the meeting | 14:03 |
| yangyapeng | hello szaher | 14:03 |
| szaher | Hi yangyapeng | 14:03 |
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| zhusz | Hi szaher | 14:03 |
| szaher | The list of topics we have for today to be discussed are here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:03 |
| neilus_ | hi guys | 14:03 |
| szaher | Hi zhusz | 14:03 |
| szaher | Hi neilus_ | 14:03 |
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| szaher | You can find here a list of useful links about freezer https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_usefull_links | 14:04 |
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| szaher | Ok guys, Let start | 14:09 |
| szaher | #topic Stateless use of freezer | 14:09 |
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| szaher | saggi are you around ? | 14:09 |
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| szaher | anyone knows what the idea behind stateless freezer ? or what does it mean ? | 14:11 |
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| szaher | According to the description in freezer_meetings pad they want to run freezer without any permanent jobs or actions. | 14:12 |
| szaher | when you install freezer you don't get any default job or action ... I think this should be Ok ? | 14:12 |
| szaher | anyone has any ideas ? | 14:12 |
| yangyapeng | karbor commit this topic ? | 14:13 |
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| szaher | yangyapeng: according to freezer_meetings yes, they want to have this feature | 14:15 |
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| yangyapeng | xingxinyong are you around? | 14:15 |
| zhusz | I think it's OK. | 14:16 |
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| szaher | Ok ... I think we need more elaboration from the karbor guys around this topic | 14:17 |
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| zhusz | Maybe We need check more detailed about Karbor on this. | 14:17 |
| szaher | anyone has any thoughts about this or we move forward ? | 14:18 |
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| yangyapeng | hi saggi | 14:18 |
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| saggi | Hi, sorry, in my calendar it says the meeting is in an hour | 14:18 |
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| yangyapeng | saggi: welcome | 14:18 |
| szaher | saggi: Hi saggi no problem. We changed the meeting time to be 2 UTC after changing the time | 14:19 |
| szaher | Can you please explain us what do you guys mean by stateless freezer ? | 14:19 |
| saggi | In a nutshell, we would like to be able to run freezer without setting anything persistent in freezer. Since Karbor want's to do the book keeping. | 14:19 |
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| saggi | So we want to send all the options to what plugins we use on what VM on what node and have it just run | 14:20 |
| saggi | without first setting up a plan in freezer | 14:20 |
| saggi | Am I being clear? | 14:21 |
| szaher | saggi: Well. I did get some but didn't get the full picture here. | 14:22 |
| szaher | When we install freezer, we have 3 components at least | 14:22 |
| szaher | freezer, freezer-api, web-ui | 14:22 |
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| szaher | freezer (agent, scheduler) we need only os credentials to run and take backups ... | 14:23 |
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| szaher | freezer-api we need os credentials, and elasticsearch info to store jobs and actions | 14:24 |
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| saggi | What about what plugins to use? | 14:24 |
| szaher | which plugins ? | 14:24 |
| saggi | Also from what I understand elasticsearch would stop being mandatory for next version | 14:24 |
| szaher | do you mean fs, nova,cinder,mysql ? | 14:24 |
| yangyapeng | saggi: you mean ,want to make freezer as a plugin in karbor ,do a packaging in karbor? | 14:24 |
| saggi | From what I gathered from the roadmap in BCN you intend to allow more pluggability in the freezer workflow | 14:25 |
| saggi | and remove the dependency on elasticsearch | 14:25 |
| szaher | saggi: Yes, that's true | 14:25 |
| szaher | we will have pluggable engines, apps, storages | 14:26 |
| saggi | exactly | 14:26 |
| saggi | Can I select what plugins to use when I start the backup itself | 14:26 |
| szaher | we do have some kind of pluggable storage now and mods as well | 14:26 |
| saggi | or do I need to do it before hand | 14:26 |
| szaher | Yes, you can | 14:26 |
| saggi | Also, if we don't want scheduling, can we not have a persistent running freezer agent on compute nodes | 14:27 |
| szaher | you can use --mode or -m | 14:27 |
| szaher | you can run freezer-agent without freezer-scheduler but in this case freezer-api will be useless and you won't get any info about the backups | 14:28 |
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| szaher | you can fire freezer-agent and do backup/restore you data but you wont be able to list backups/jobs/actions | 14:29 |
| saggi | Isn't the state saved in the DB anyway? | 14:29 |
| saggi | Can't I query the DB? | 14:29 |
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| szaher | The only component that communicates with db is freezer-api | 14:29 |
| szaher | neither freezer-agent nor scheduler do query the db | 14:30 |
| saggi | So the freezer agent send information to freezer-api through the message bus? | 14:30 |
| saggi | about progrees? | 14:31 |
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| szaher | saggi: freezer-agent doesn't talk to freezer-api. | 14:31 |
| saggi | How does the progress information get to the api | 14:31 |
| szaher | saggi: freezer-scheduler is the one who communicates freezer-api using api-client and updates freezer-api with the status of job/action/backups | 14:31 |
| szaher | saggi: freezer-scheduler is the intermediate point between freezer-api and freezer-agent | 14:32 |
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| saggi | szaher: I understand | 14:33 |
| saggi | Can I live with only one scheduler for a cluster | 14:34 |
| szaher | saggi: No, scheduler is fetching the agent by subprocess so they need to be on the same host | 14:34 |
| saggi | szaher: It's a question of deployment | 14:35 |
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| szaher | to be clear if you want to schedule backups for a certain host, you need to have freezer-scheduler and freezer-agent running on this host | 14:36 |
| saggi | Are there plans to not have this restriction | 14:37 |
| saggi | So we can ssh and run the agent or something similar | 14:38 |
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| szaher | saggi: we have some thoughts about remote backups or agentless backups where you can ssh and fetch the backup remotely or using any different way to take the backup | 14:39 |
| saggi | szaher: I like those thoughts :) How concrete are they? | 14:39 |
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| szaher | saggi: they are low priority for the time being as we need to finish the refactoring and plugin layer first then we can move forward with agentless backups as an agent with some modes or apps | 14:40 |
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| szaher | if you want we can have talk more about in freezer room | 14:41 |
| saggi | szaher: OK, I'll just some up what I understand and then I'll stop for this meeting. | 14:42 |
| saggi | I should be able to do any style of backup without scheduling. Running agentless is something that might be in the future. | 14:42 |
| szaher | saggi: Yes | 14:43 |
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| saggi | szaher: Thanks! | 14:43 |
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| szaher | saggi: Just keep in mind if you take backups without scheduling you won't get any metadata about backups and you won't be able to see those backups in the db or api | 14:43 |
| szaher | for agentless backup, yes it's in future | 14:44 |
| saggi | szaher: What kind of metadata | 14:47 |
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| szaher | saggi: it backup information like which host, backup name, was it incremental, engine used and some other stuff that help | 14:50 |
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| szaher | saggi: If you use only freezer-agent without scheduler you will still be able to backup and restore your data, but you wont be able to list backups for example | 14:52 |
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| saggi | szaher: That's OK as long as it's information I already know so we can save it in the Karbor DB instead | 14:52 |
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| szaher | saggi: somehow you can do it, reach me if you need any help with that | 14:54 |
| szaher | anymore questions ? | 14:54 |
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| szaher | we are running out of time. anyone wants to add anything ? | 14:55 |
| zhusz | a question only. | 14:55 |
| szaher | zhusz: go a head | 14:55 |
| zhusz | If the backup process is interupt, we can resume from break point? | 14:55 |
| szaher | zhusz: how did you stop the backup job ? | 14:56 |
| zhusz | e.g. Network issue | 14:56 |
| szaher | zhusz: anyway, No you need to start again even the cleanup is manual, so you have to cleanup yourself then start the backup job again | 14:56 |
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| yangyapeng | it is in memery | 14:57 |
| zhusz | Ok, I understand. | 14:57 |
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| zhusz | Thanks szaher | 14:57 |
| szaher | zhusz: welcome :) | 14:57 |
| szaher | anymore questions ? | 14:58 |
| yangyapeng | 2 minutes | 14:58 |
| szaher | guys please we need to finish the pending reviews upstream. Please try to review all patches | 14:58 |
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| szaher | Thank you guys. Have a great day :) | 14:58 |
| yangyapeng | thank you szaher | 14:59 |
| zhusz | Thanks | 14:59 |
| szaher | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 10 14:59:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-11-10-14.02.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-11-10-14.02.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-11-10-14.02.log.html | 14:59 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 10 15:01:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
| markstur | hi | 15:01 |
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| ravichandran | hello | 15:01 |
| zengyingzhe_ | Hi | 15:01 |
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| zhonghua | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | we're 1 week away from ocata-1 | 15:02 |
| bswartz | as agreed, that's when we will freeze low priority specs | 15:02 |
| bswartz | more about that later in the agenda | 15:02 |
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| TommyLikeHu_ | thanks ganso | 15:03 |
| bswartz | first up we have a hopefully small issue raised by one of ganso's specs | 15:03 |
| ganso | TommyLikeHu_: np | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic Decide defaults for migration options | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392291 | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I thought we had reached an agreement in BCN about this | 15:04 |
| bswartz | but apparently not | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | my preference is to default all of the share-migration related optional flags to False | 15:04 |
| bswartz | because False is a more obvious default than True | 15:05 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is situation when default should be the most strictest variant | 15:05 |
| bswartz | and I also feel that a migration operations with no special args should always succeed (so it should be compatible with the fallback migration) | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: the most strictest because it is fool-proof approach | 15:06 |
| bswartz | the problem I see is that we're adding more and more options over time | 15:06 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:06 |
| bswartz | if we default eveything to true than a command that works last release won't work next release | 15:06 |
| bswartz | it's a backwards compatibility thing | 15:06 |
| ganso | bswartz: we are not committed to keep backwards compatibility on experimental features | 15:07 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: +1 | 15:07 |
| bswartz | ganso: I'm talking about the future not the past | 15:07 |
| bswartz | suppose we ship ocata with migration not experimental | 15:07 |
| bswartz | and everything defaults to true | 15:07 |
| ganso | bswartz: in that case, yes, we should not change it anymore in the future | 15:07 |
| bswartz | then in pike, we add a --preserve-fairy-dust migration flag | 15:07 |
| bswartz | and it defaults to true | 15:08 |
| bswartz | then people will observe that commands that used to work no longer too | 15:08 |
| toabctl | do we have real user feedback for the share-migration API? I outside of the manila-core group ? | 15:08 |
| bswartz | s/too/do/ | 15:08 |
| bswartz | toabctl: SAP has provided significant feedback | 15:09 |
| ganso | bswartz: at that point, we may break the consistency of "all options TRUE" or "all options FALSE", but if we retain the assumption that the API parameters default value follows the strictest default set idea then we should be fine IHMO | 15:09 |
| ganso | bswartz: s/IHMO/IMHO | 15:09 |
| bswartz | ganso: if we default everything to false then adding new options in the future is easy | 15:09 |
| toabctl | bswartz, I didn't read the feedback. was it possitive? or are there any concerns about the current API design? just asking. | 15:10 |
| bswartz | toabctl: many of these optional flags were inspired by feedback from SAP in Austin | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: concerns are listed in appropriate spec with migration API improvements | 15:10 |
| ganso | toabctl: most part of the feedback came from Goutham's interaction with some customers he was presenting to | 15:10 |
| toabctl | thx | 15:10 |
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| TommyLikeHu_ | what is SAP | 15:10 |
| bswartz | SAP is a large software company in germany | 15:10 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | thanks | 15:11 |
| bswartz | #link http://go.sap.com/index.html | 15:11 |
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| ganso | yup, mkoderer___ gave some feedback from SAP as well, that the options should be the strictest | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: what a coincidence )) | 15:11 |
| bswartz | ganso: my interpretation was that he wanted a way to guarantee that migrations were lossless | 15:11 |
| bswartz | that guarantee didn't need to be on by default | 15:12 |
| bswartz | as long as there's a way to do it, users should be happy | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: lossless by default, and lossy only when "yes I know what I am doing" | 15:12 |
| markstur | I thought there should be no loss unless the flag said it's ok to be lossy | 15:12 |
| ganso | bswartz: IIRC, he said that if there was any risk of losing data accidentally (like starting a migration that may lose data because the admin forgot the use a set of parameters), they would just disable migration in their cloud | 15:13 |
| bswartz | argh | 15:13 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: exactly | 15:13 |
| bswartz | the problem with that approach is that it won't work with most backends most of the time | 15:13 |
| markstur | I think others like disruptive we have more leeway with. | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | migration will become a feature that fails all the time unless you either specific a bunch of flags or have a very special backend | 15:14 |
| ganso | markstur: +1, that's exactly what I believe we had agreed to in the Newton midcycle | 15:14 |
| bswartz | that seems anti-cloud to me | 15:14 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is safe | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: after getting API error, admin will use proper set of options | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: no data loss | 15:14 |
| bswartz | but remember we want to open up migration to normal users | 15:14 |
| markstur | bswartz: I agree that it is unfortunate and inconvenient, but with data loss we seem to have a real need for "are you sure?" type of inconvenience | 15:15 |
| bswartz | not just admins | 15:15 |
| bswartz | normal users can't possibly know what will and won't work ahead of time | 15:15 |
| bswartz | therefore they should specify what they want and find out if it works | 15:15 |
| markstur | normal users would probably need to fail and then decide to try again w/ non-defualt options | 15:16 |
| markstur | hopefully user messages can help with that | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron, cknight, xyang1, what do you think? | 15:16 |
| bswartz | markstur: but how would they know which options to make false and which ones to leave true? | 15:16 |
| bswartz | it will depend heavily on which backends they have | 15:16 |
| bswartz | which they won't know | 15:16 |
| markstur | trial and error / admin help / ... ? | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: following "fool-proof" approach | 15:16 |
| ganso | bswartz: using the UI it is less likely that the admins will ignore the feature, he may just tick everything (if it is not ticked by default) because they want to have the "best possible migration", but my main concern is the python-manilaclient | 15:16 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: sorry, I'll have to get back to this later. in another meeting at the same time:( | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | my main concern is the REST API | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I want to make sure that it's sane | 15:18 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: I don't have a settled view on this. Would of course like to provide a good user experience for the end user with no "surprises". | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I think we've already agreed that any option added in the future would have to default to false | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | if we're okay with future options defaulting to false then why aren't we okay with existing options defaulting to false | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I don't have this same paranoia you guys do about users accidentally migrating their data and being unhappy about the result | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: because the point is safety, not false/true values | 15:19 |
| bswartz | migration will be clearly documented and I prefer the default to be: it always works, but we don't preserve anything | 15:19 |
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| ganso | users may have a hard time understand why there was data loss | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I hate the idea that migration will be another feature that works with a tiny fraction of backends (like replication) | 15:20 |
| ganso | when they open a ticket for their admin to migrate their data, they do not expect their data to have missing metadata | 15:21 |
| bswartz | ganso: the admins job is to preserve it for them | 15:21 |
| bswartz | it's not hard to check the boxes in the UI | 15:21 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1, and that's why I oscillate | 15:21 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes, being fool-proof prevents the admin from losing their data by mistake when they could have just inputted the parameters in python-manilaclient | 15:22 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: if safety is all we care about, why implement fallback approach at all? | 15:22 |
| ganso | bswartz: the fallback approach currently is the only way to migrate across vendors | 15:22 |
| bswartz | why not force all migrations to be "safe"? | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: for case when it is enough | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: but it should not be default, IMHO | 15:22 |
| bswartz | it seems to me that the user has to know what he's doing no matter which approach we take | 15:23 |
| markstur | To make defuult false, we could change preserve_metadata to opposite. Like no_preserve_metadata | 15:23 |
| bswartz | markstur: that's not my point | 15:23 |
| ganso | bswartz: it is the desired mechanism to use and it should be proper documented that there will be losses when migrating across vendors | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I want a migration with no optional args specified to work with fallback approach | 15:23 |
| bswartz | and I want users to ask for any special flags they care about (like snapshots, lossless, no-disrupt, etc) | 15:24 |
| ganso | markstur: in that case, yes, that's one alternative | 15:24 |
| markstur | but it won't "work" if damaging your ACLs is considered a major fail | 15:24 |
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| markstur | "just works" assumes the result will be OK and not in major need of repair (if possible) | 15:24 |
| bswartz | okay so I feel like I'm the only one arguing for my approach | 15:24 |
| bswartz | not sure how to break the impasse | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I don't want to eat up the whole meeting on this topic | 15:25 |
| bswartz | can we settle it with a vote? | 15:25 |
| * markstur will wish I agreed with bswartz everytime I forget the option | 15:25 | |
| ganso | bswartz: your point on having a rule that defaults everything to false to be easier to add new parameters is valid | 15:25 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | cool | 15:25 |
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| ganso | bswartz: but then I would go with markstur's idea | 15:25 |
| ganso | bswartz: of inverting all parameters | 15:25 |
| ganso | bswartz: so we still have the strictest combination defaulting to false | 15:26 |
| bswartz | ganso: so you're okay with all flags default to false, but only TRUE is compatible with fallback migration | 15:26 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes | 15:26 |
| bswartz | except for options we add in the future, where false will be compatible with fallback | 15:26 |
| bswartz | that seems equally confusing | 15:27 |
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| ganso | bswartz: I mean, for any options we introduce, we would be following 2 rules | 15:27 |
| ganso | bswartz: defaulting to false, and being strict | 15:27 |
| bswartz | then you have the same problem I mentioned | 15:27 |
| ganso | bswartz: so --no-preserve-fairy-dust if the admin wants to allow fallback | 15:27 |
| bswartz | a command that works in Ocata won't work in puke | 15:27 |
| bswartz | pike | 15:27 |
| tbarron | :) | 15:28 |
| bswartz | because the admin will need to add --no-preserve-fairy-dust for the command to succeed | 15:28 |
| markstur | lol on puke | 15:28 |
| ganso | bswartz: well, yes | 15:28 |
| ganso | bswartz: that does not really solve the problem | 15:28 |
| bswartz | it seems as bad as the other proposal | 15:28 |
| ganso | bswartz: indeed it does | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | so the basic issue here is that our desire to protect admins and users from mistakes is conflicting with our desire to have a forwards compatible API with sane semantics | 15:29 |
| bswartz | s/sane/consistent/ | 15:30 |
| vkmc | wouldn't the first be easily addressed with proper docs? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | I don't see how we can have both | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | vkmc: who reads docs? )) | 15:30 |
| vkmc | vponomaryov, docs! dooooocs! | 15:31 |
| vkmc | haha | 15:31 |
| bswartz | and honestly IDK care about protecting users from mistake at the API level -- I feel that's the responsibility of a high level abstraction | 15:31 |
| vkmc | bswartz++ | 15:31 |
| bswartz | the unlink() system call doen't have a (bool are_you_sure) paramer | 15:31 |
| bswartz | parameter | 15:31 |
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| TommyLikeHu_ | lol | 15:32 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: not sure it is good example, it does not have two ways of work, like migration does | 15:33 |
| ganso | bswartz: if we had the possibility of allowing access to the destination share to check the data before issuing migration-complete I could lean towards your proposal, but we agreed to not allow that in a previous meeting | 15:33 |
| vkmc | lol | 15:33 |
| bswartz | my only point is that APIs should do exactly what you ask them to do -- if we assume users calling our APIs don't know what they're asking for then all hope is lost | 15:33 |
| vkmc | bool are_you_sure sounds like a windows interface to me | 15:34 |
| ganso | s/hope/data | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | vkmc: housewife's mode happens to be really useful )) | 15:34 |
| toabctl | looks like the problem is that we provide a mgration where data can be lost. that's imo the problem | 15:34 |
| cknight | bswartz: you can always have safe defaults in manila client, even if the API defaults all arguments to false. | 15:35 |
| cknight | bswartz: the client *is* a thin abstraction atop the API | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | cknight: that's something I'd be more interested in considering | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: manilaclient will be used almost always | 15:36 |
| bswartz | ganso: what if the API did what I want, but the CLI client explicitly defaulted to true (opposite of what the API does) | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: to talk to server | 15:36 |
| cknight | ganso: +1 That's what I'm suggesting. | 15:36 |
| ganso | bswartz: that looks weird, but acceptable I would say | 15:36 |
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| tbarron | vponomaryov: housewife's role? what are you talking about? | 15:37 |
| bswartz | that would result in safety for people who use python-manilaclient, but users who don't want a fisher-price interface can just calls the REST APIs and get sane behavior | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: "mode" | 15:37 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: same question | 15:37 |
| bswartz | tbarron vponomaryov: let's not go down a rathole with our limited time in this meeting | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: I mean extremely high level of fool-proof design | 15:37 |
| ganso | bswartz: wait, why we would like the python-manilaclient to have insane behavior while the REST API is sane? there is no consistency in that | 15:38 |
| bswartz | ganso: no | 15:38 |
| bswartz | I suggest the API defaults to false, and false is compatible with fallback | 15:38 |
| bswartz | the CLI client can default to explicit true values when it sends the API unless the users says not to | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: why we use defaults in API then? wouldn't it be better to require setting it explicitly? | 15:39 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: because microversions | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: and set safe variants in our client? | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is experimental now | 15:40 |
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| ganso | bswartz: that easily leads to another mistake, where user of python-manilaclient assumes the default is TRUE, while it is not, so the user issues a curl command and migrates data losing metadata | 15:40 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: it would be nice to make everything explictly required but when we add the next value in the future it will need to have a default for backwards compatibility | 15:40 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is ok for old microversions and it is not the point of currect concern | 15:41 |
| bswartz | okay I'm going to table this subject in the interest of time | 15:42 |
| bswartz | #topic Spec review & prioritization | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | spec review have been going great | 15:42 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | sorry to disturb, but did we go throgh all of the specs last week? | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | TommyLikeHu_: no | 15:42 |
| bswartz | the review focus specs are getting reviews exactly as we'd hoped | 15:42 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | ok~ | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I have started writing the spec about race conditions | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-spec-review-focus | 15:43 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/manila-specs | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | TommyLikeHu_: not all of desired specs were even created | 15:43 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | lol | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I would like to propose that we mark the eliminate race conditions spec high priority | 15:44 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/396255 | 15:44 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | +1 | 15:44 |
| bswartz | I'm working on completing it in parallel with reviewing other sepcs | 15:44 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | +1 | 15:44 |
| vkmc | +1 | 15:44 |
| ganso | +1 | 15:44 |
| bswartz | TommyLikeHu_: we reviewed the specs that existing at the time last week | 15:44 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | how about the share backup | 15:44 |
| bswartz | any other new specs to consider | 15:44 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330306/ | 15:44 |
| bswartz | TommyLikeHu_: we briefly touched on it, but we can revisit it today | 15:45 |
| markstur | +1 for ending race conditions hi-pri | 15:45 |
| bswartz | I'm in favor of leaving it low priority, because it's a significant feature and this is a short release | 15:45 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | if it's a significant feature | 15:46 |
| bswartz | that's sort of what we agreed to last week, but with minimal discussion because we ran out of time | 15:46 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | can we keep on this | 15:46 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | and maybe merge it in Ocata | 15:46 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | ? | 15:46 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | only specs | 15:46 |
| bswartz | TommyLikeHu_: if the spec merges by next week then the code could be considered in ocata | 15:46 |
| bswartz | if not, then it's automatically pushed to pike | 15:47 |
| ganso | TommyLikeHu_: I believe there is no point in merging the spec if we do not want the feature in ocata | 15:47 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | cool~ | 15:47 |
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| cknight | ganso: +1 | 15:47 |
| bswartz | yeah and as ganso says we may decide not to merge the spec just so we can reserve bandwidth for other things | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | TommyLikeHu_: spec can be provided in "pike" subdirectory | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | TommyLikeHu_: specifying by it desired release target | 15:47 |
| bswartz | time is short in ocata so we have to jealously guard core reviewer time | 15:48 |
| bswartz | okay any other specs to consider for ocata | 15:48 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365617/ | 15:48 |
| bswartz | gouthamr had said something about an access rule spec.... | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: HA? | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: do we have spec about HA? | 15:48 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | no~ | 15:48 |
| ganso | bswartz: I am looking forward to seeing the access rules refactor spec | 15:49 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: it's touched on in the race condition spec, but HA is something we assume works for api/scheduler and assume it doesnt work for m-shr | 15:49 |
| bswartz | and we don't plan to fix the m-shr problems for HA in ocata | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: ok | 15:49 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr is on vacation today and tomorrow unfortunately | 15:50 |
| bswartz | so if he has a spec forthcoming it might not be until next week | 15:50 |
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| TommyLikeHu_ | enjoy his berlin beer | 15:50 |
| bswartz | however he's at a conference next week so I expect he'll have other stuff to focus on | 15:50 |
| bswartz | let me suggest this | 15:51 |
| bswartz | if the spec materializes and people want to designate it high priority, I'll push a patch to do that and we can use gerrit to decide it | 15:51 |
| ganso | bswartz: if we designate his spec hi-pri while it is not submitted yet, would that work? | 15:51 |
| bswartz | ganso: no | 15:51 |
| bswartz | the high-priority designation requires a gerrit change anyways, so that can be the voting interface | 15:52 |
| bswartz | we'll just avoid merging it until we have enough +2s | 15:52 |
| bswartz | any other specs to consider today? | 15:52 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390052/ | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | TommyLikeHu_: we decided low priority for that one | 15:53 |
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| TommyLikeHu_ | sure | 15:54 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | I am ok if this can be reviewed~ | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | looks like still only one of the 8 merged | 15:54 |
| bswartz | we need to merge more specs soon | 15:55 |
| bswartz | and remember we're looking for 6 or 7 +2s on the specs on the etherpad | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: 6 when author is another core member? | 15:55 |
| cknight | bswartz: revert-to-snapshot is ready, just need 1-2 more reviews. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391269 | 15:55 |
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| TommyLikeHu_ | I can do a help for the +2 | 15:55 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: it's approximate, but yes if the author is a core then they shouldn't +2 their own spec | 15:56 |
| bswartz | cknight: what's with Erlon? | 15:56 |
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| cknight | bswartz: no idea, he just posted a few things I disgree with | 15:56 |
| bswartz | let's see if we can get him to remove his -1 | 15:57 |
| bswartz | but if he's not around I'm happy to override him | 15:57 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | we're still carrying a backlog of design summit topics we didn't get to in BCN | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | not sure if we'll cover any of those next week | 15:58 |
| bswartz | top priority for everyone is specs | 15:58 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: cknight TommyLikeHu_ zhonghua erlon is also reviewing the corresponding cinder spec. | 15:59 |
| bswartz | we still need to resolve the issue in ganso' spec about migration defaults | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | I guess I'll work with ganso offline on that | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | and we can have an ML thread about it maybe | 15:59 |
| bswartz | thank everyone | 15:59 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 10 15:59:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-11-10-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-11-10-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-11-10-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
| tbarron | bswartz: cknight zhonghua TommyLikeHu_ ^^^ while I agree with Clinton's responses, let's keep erlon engaged as we need to press for consistency and cross-project communication on this stuff | 16:00 |
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| erlon-airlong | hey | 16:00 |
| erlon-airlong | :P | 16:00 |
| ganso | erlon-airlong: too late | 16:00 |
| erlon-airlong | too late I guess | 16:00 |
| tbarron | erlon-airlong: let's take it to #openstack-manila | 16:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 10 17:02:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:02 |
| lhinds | o/ | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | I'm stuck on a call for the next 10-15 minutes :'( | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | #chair lhinds | 17:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei lhinds | 17:02 |
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| lhinds | looks like a low turnout, will grab the etherpad | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | cheers! | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah super quiet. | 17:03 |
| lhinds | #topic agenda | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:04 | |
| lhinds | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Maybe our times are in the wrong timezone lhinds ? | 17:04 |
| lhinds | hyakuhei: I am thinking the same too | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | i.e we are both UK ? | 17:04 |
| lhinds | umm <goes to google utc> | 17:04 |
| lhinds | so its 17:00 which is correct | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | yupyup | 17:05 |
| lhinds | k, do you want me to walk through the agenda, or you have a headset? | 17:06 |
| lhinds | #topic Syntribos | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Syntribos (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:07 | |
| lhinds | any Syntribos folks here? | 17:07 |
| unrahul | hey lhinds yup | 17:07 |
| lhinds | ah cool..all yours unrahul | 17:07 |
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| unrahul | so we are in the process of setting up repos for templates and payloads and modifying few tests | 17:08 |
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| unrahul | As you guys may know, we have released a PyPi version of the tool, with automated download of openstack templates and certain payloads | 17:08 |
| lhinds | sounds cool | 17:09 |
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| unrahul | and revamped the docs, so if anyone would like to take a look at syntribos, just install it using pip install syntribos | 17:09 |
| unrahul | we would love to get more feedback on it.. | 17:09 |
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| lhinds | unrahul: that sounds like not a big ask..I will try to get some time to try it from pip | 17:10 |
| unrahul | this week and the next we would be having design sessions on modifying the request templates to make it less cluttered and may be help users write simple tests etc.. | 17:10 |
| lhinds | or pypi rather | 17:10 |
| unrahul | awesome lhinds .. | 17:10 |
| unrahul | so thats it from us.. | 17:10 |
| lhinds | thanks unrahul | 17:10 |
| lhinds | #topic OSSN | 17:10 |
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| lhinds | so we currently have three embargoed and one public | 17:11 |
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| lhinds | hyakuhei: looks like he has one almost ready to release, and his other is close too. tmcpeak has one with a draft in place | 17:11 |
| lhinds | we also have a new author in vds | 17:12 |
| lhinds | he is working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396080/ | 17:12 |
| lhinds | so please help with reviews | 17:12 |
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| lhinds | we are currently waiting on swift cores to feedback as its looking more like a patch and we are not sure what the notes ask is yet. | 17:13 |
| lhinds | that's it for notes. Not had time to do anymore work on the API yet, but will hopefully be able to pick it up again soon | 17:14 |
| lhinds | #topic Blog | 17:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blog (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:14 | |
| lhinds | hyakuhei: anything new on the blog? | 17:14 |
| lhinds | I still need you to look at merge rights when have a spare moment. | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Hey yeah so I will add more people in. | 17:15 |
| lhinds | thx hyakuhei | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Blog wise I want to put something in the blog about our super fancy award | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | My working title is: "OpenStack is not Secure" | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | "but we are doing all the right things" | 17:15 |
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| michaelxin | forgot time changed. | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | michaelxin so did everyone else :P | 17:16 |
| lhinds | i think a few of us have | 17:16 |
| lhinds | anymore on the blog? | 17:17 |
| lhinds | #topic Security Review | 17:17 |
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| lhinds | hyakuhei: I don't have anything on this topic, anything from you..? | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Narp, on a call about the internal version of that now lol | 17:17 |
| lhinds | k :) | 17:18 |
| michaelxin | What's security review? | 17:18 |
| lhinds | I think we already have the washup covered from last week | 17:18 |
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| lhinds | #topic sec-guide | 17:19 |
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| lhinds | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382600/ | 17:19 |
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| lhinds | I have some stuff I need to get round to updating in the security-guide, we have some old django / horizon key values that are depreciated | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | michaelxin you joking? | 17:20 |
| lhinds | for example USE_SSL | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | I will beat you! | 17:20 |
| lhinds | you spot them too hyakuhei ? | 17:20 |
| michaelxin | haha | 17:21 |
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| lhinds | k, I guess its going to be short and sweet this week. | 17:22 |
| lhinds | any other key topics before AOB? | 17:22 |
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| lhinds | #topic AOB | 17:23 |
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| unrahul | hyakuhei: we had to rebase the patch for the new repos , could you please do a +1 again https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390621/ | 17:23 |
| michaelxin | for updates about syntribos | 17:24 |
| michaelxin | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/syntribos-future | 17:24 |
| michaelxin | That's our current roadmap | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | unrahul I'm on it! | 17:24 |
| unrahul | thanks hyakuhei ! :) | 17:24 |
| michaelxin | also ccneill will move out syntribos project. | 17:25 |
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| michaelxin | He will not focus on openstack security in the future. | 17:25 |
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| michaelxin | I am trying to find someone to replace him. | 17:26 |
| lhinds | k, I guess this draw us to the end of the meeting, unless any more topics?] | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | What? Damn. That guy was Ninja. | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Typical, I just got off the phone. | 17:27 |
| vds | sorry I'm late, did you talk about OSSN-0077 already? | 17:27 |
| capnoday | ahh damn | 17:27 |
| browne | anchor has some reviews pending | 17:27 |
| capnoday | ccneil will be missed | 17:27 |
| lhinds | vds: already covered, but no worries | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | browne I'll take a looksy | 17:27 |
| capnoday | browne no way! | 17:27 |
| vds | lhinds: thx! :) | 17:27 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: capnoday: sorry guys. | 17:27 |
| capnoday | np, its awesome to see someone looking at it | 17:27 |
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| lhinds | ok, have a good weekend all. | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Cheers! | 17:29 |
| lhinds | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 10 17:29:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-11-10-17.02.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-11-10-17.02.txt | 17:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-11-10-17.02.log.html | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks for standing in again lhinds ! you're a star! | 17:29 |
| lhinds | np hyakuhei ! | 17:29 |
| michaelxin | thanks. | 17:29 |
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| vds | hyakuhei lhinds if there's something else I can help with just let me know, I have time to spare. | 17:30 |
| lhinds | sure thing vds | 17:32 |
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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 10 18:00:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:00 |
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| vgridnev | o/ | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | let's wait a little | 18:01 |
| dgonzalez | o/ | 18:01 |
| esikachev | hi! | 18:02 |
| tosky | o/ | 18:02 |
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| raissa | o/ | 18:03 |
| vgridnev | #topic News / Updates | 18:03 |
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| esikachev | working on patches with all processes for ambari and cdh, recovery of publishing jobs, update sahara-ci scripts for deploy devstacks | 18:05 |
| vgridnev | I've been working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1593663 mostly; still unable to reproduce this issue on my env. playing with parameters, wrote a letter to bug's reporter, waiting for some details | 18:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1593663 in Sahara "[hadoop-swift] Cannot access Swift Static Large Objects" [High,Confirmed] | 18:05 |
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| tosky | oh, the one we discussed during the Summit | 18:06 |
| vgridnev | yep | 18:06 |
| tosky | I'm doing a bit of internal work (still testing Sahara), and keeping an eye open on the gates | 18:06 |
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| tellesnobrega | I started looking into storm apache integration. If what we want is to be able to run storm jobs on hadoop cluster this will require a integration using apache slider | 18:07 |
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| raissa | internal work as well, for now | 18:07 |
| tellesnobrega | I'm not 100% sure how hard it is, I still have to test but it doesn't seem too complicated | 18:07 |
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| tosky | before I forget: it was pleasure to meet you all at the Summit, and I would have really preferred to join the remaining part of the design summit than being forced in the hotel, but yeah | 18:08 |
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| vgridnev | tosky, yeah, it was a good opportunity to meet each other | 18:08 |
| vgridnev | #topic PTG news | 18:10 |
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| vgridnev | registration is now open! | 18:10 |
| vgridnev | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg | 18:10 |
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| vgridnev | for those who interested, there is a travel support program for this event | 18:11 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, do you know if there are ATC codes for PTG? | 18:11 |
| vgridnev | #link https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/travelsupportptg_atlanta | 18:11 |
| tosky | tellesnobrega: no | 18:11 |
| tosky | if you go to the PTG, you can have a discount for the Summit | 18:11 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, thanks, actually if makes sense not to, everyone there is a ATC | 18:11 |
| tosky | the FAQ page contains all the details (even the ones I don't agree with) | 18:12 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, interesting, makes sense :) | 18:12 |
| vgridnev | anyone at redhat have plans to apply for travel support? | 18:13 |
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| tellesnobrega | probably not | 18:13 |
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| vgridnev | another question, we need to understand how many days we need for discussions, 2 or 3. For these days we will have a room for discussions as far as I remember | 18:14 |
| vgridnev | I hope that 2 days is a best fit for us | 18:15 |
| tosky | given the past experience, I agree | 18:16 |
| tellesnobrega | during the summit, we concentrated mostly in 2 days right? | 18:16 |
| tellesnobrega | if so I think 2 should be enough | 18:16 |
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| vgridnev | for summit, we have a day + 2 sessions at Wed. | 18:16 |
| tellesnobrega | so 2 days should be enough | 18:17 |
| vgridnev | ok, then | 18:18 |
| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 18:18 |
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| vgridnev | is there something that we can discuss today? | 18:18 |
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| tosky | I couldn't ask before, is the CI in a better shape now? I've seen some commits that seems to hint that it's better | 18:19 |
| vgridnev | yep, it seems it works much better | 18:20 |
| tosky | good! | 18:20 |
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| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, regarding integration of storm and apache | 18:22 |
| tellesnobrega | the idea is to run storm jobs on hadoop cluster right? | 18:22 |
| tellesnobrega | using hadoop 2* | 18:22 |
| vgridnev | I think so. | 18:22 |
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| tellesnobrega | ok, this will require another apache project to do it, I will see how feasible it is | 18:24 |
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| vgridnev | Generally, otherwise it doesn't makes a sense to have several resource orchestrators in the cluster | 18:25 |
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| tellesnobrega | it is not really an orchestrator, but it allows storm to use yarn resources | 18:26 |
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| tellesnobrega | it seems like the only option to do it now, I will check it out this week and give a final position by next meeting if we will be able to do it or not | 18:27 |
| vgridnev | ok, thanks tellesnobrega | 18:27 |
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| tellesnobrega | np | 18:29 |
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| vgridnev | is there some news from egafford? I mean, there were some outreachy interns, what is the current progress? | 18:30 |
| tosky | I think taht the oureachy intern was accepted | 18:30 |
| tosky | but I don't have more details | 18:31 |
| tosky | tellesnobrega: maybe you know? | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | she was accepted yes | 18:31 |
| mariannelm | hey vgridnev, i'm actually here haha. I'm one of the interns | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | her name is marianne | 18:31 |
| vgridnev | cool | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | there she is | 18:31 |
| raissa | welcome | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | let me introduce her formally :) | 18:31 |
| mariannelm | thanks, raissa :) | 18:32 |
| tellesnobrega | mariannelm is a computer science student here in Brazil (same city as me), she is her 3rd year I think and she is going to be a great addition to our team. Very smart, hard worker | 18:32 |
| tellesnobrega | I've worked with her before and I'm sure she will do great here | 18:33 |
| mariannelm | thanks for the nice words telles :) | 18:34 |
| vgridnev | thanks telles | 18:34 |
| vgridnev | mariannelm, how is it going? | 18:34 |
| mariannelm | hi vgridnev, I'm good, I've talked to egafford this week already, and I'm planning to discuss some things with her next week | 18:36 |
| vgridnev | I saw your blueprint few days ago, seems like you are going to work on APIv2, right? | 18:36 |
| mariannelm | not sure actually... | 18:37 |
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| vgridnev | ok, anyway. welcome! | 18:38 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, I think that she will be working on the EDP pluggabillity | 18:38 |
| tellesnobrega | not really sure, Elise is the right person to ask | 18:38 |
| vgridnev | uh, ok, let's wait for egafford's comments on this | 18:38 |
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| vgridnev | do we have something additional to cover? | 18:39 |
| mariannelm | yes, telles, EDP pluggability | 18:39 |
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| mariannelm | and thanks vgridnev | 18:39 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, I don't think so | 18:39 |
| tosky | nothing from me | 18:40 |
| vgridnev | ok, thanks! | 18:40 |
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| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 18:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 10 18:40:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-11-10-18.00.html | 18:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-11-10-18.00.txt | 18:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-11-10-18.00.log.html | 18:40 |
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