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| dirk | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 13:01:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 13:01 |
| dirk | ping dirk toabctl IgorYozhikov number80 jruzicka jpena aplanas | 13:02 |
| jpena | o/ | 13:02 |
| dirk | #chair toabctl jpena | 13:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dirk jpena toabctl | 13:02 |
| number80 | pong | 13:02 |
| dirk | #topic roll call | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:02 | |
| number80 | o/ | 13:02 |
| dirk | #chair number80 | 13:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dirk jpena number80 toabctl | 13:02 |
| dirk | everyone, please update the meeting agenda here | 13:02 |
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| dirk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:02 |
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| dirk | should we start? | 13:04 |
| toabctl | yes | 13:04 |
| number80 | yes | 13:04 |
| dirk | #topic Project Team Gathering | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project Team Gathering (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:05 | |
| dirk | should RPM packaging consider having meetings ? | 13:05 |
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| dirk | so I think we have to fill in the form until end of this week | 13:05 |
| dirk | not sure, toabctl number80 have you finalized travel plans? | 13:05 |
| number80 | From RH, we'll have a representative (best-effort) | 13:05 |
| toabctl | so who's going to atlanta? I don't have an approval yet.. | 13:05 |
| jruzicka | barcelona? | 13:05 |
| toabctl | jruzicka, atlanta in feb2017 | 13:05 |
| jruzicka | oh | 13:06 |
| number80 | jruzicka: Atlanta PTG, we have to tell the foundation if they have to save us some space or not | 13:06 |
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| dirk | number80: so do we have to say 'yes' or can we say 'maybe' ? | 13:06 |
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| number80 | dirk: if there's at least 2 other people, I'd say yes, otherwise, no | 13:07 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: any opinion? | 13:09 |
| dirk | number80: so for me I can not commit to anything. I would like to go but the particular week I have a very hard time going far away | 13:10 |
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| number80 | dirk: is it possible to know if suse can send at least one person? | 13:11 |
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| dirk | number80: do you mean a person related to rpm-packaging or in general? | 13:13 |
| number80 | dirk: in general is good enough | 13:13 |
| dirk | for general, we will definitely send a number of people | 13:13 |
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| number80 | ok, let's settle to maybe | 13:14 |
| number80 | worst-case will be trying to have something common with debian packaging folks | 13:14 |
| dirk | works for me | 13:14 |
| number80 | #action hguemar answer foundation to save some space for PTG (maybe) | 13:15 |
| dirk | #agreed settle to maybe do something common with debian fols | 13:15 |
| toabctl | sounds good | 13:15 |
| dirk | #topic pre-release version handling: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384622 | 13:15 |
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| toabctl | ah. so while starting to package services there was a discussion in the ceilometer review about version handling | 13:16 |
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| toabctl | fedora is using a combination of the version/release tag while suse uses only the version + '~' | 13:16 |
| toabctl | so I created a renderspec patch to handle both cases. Not sure if I did it correct for fedora so reviews welcome. | 13:17 |
| toabctl | that's it basically if you have no comments/questions | 13:17 |
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| number80 | I'll look at it but yes, it's not easy | 13:18 |
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| dirk | anything else on this? | 13:18 |
| toabctl | ok. then next topic | 13:18 |
| toabctl | nope | 13:18 |
| dirk | #topic packages reviews | 13:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "packages reviews (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:19 | |
| dirk | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open | 13:19 |
| toabctl | there are a couple of things waiting for the MOS CI but I think IgorYozhikov is working on that | 13:19 |
| dirk | right | 13:19 |
| jpena | I have a question about https://review.openstack.org/385049 | 13:20 |
| jpena | based on the review feedback, it looks like a macro is preferred in openstack-macros. I can prepare a patch, just wanted to know if we all agree on that | 13:21 |
| toabctl | sounds better to me, yes | 13:22 |
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| dirk | jpena: I'm fine with teh macro | 13:24 |
| number80 | ack for rpm macros | 13:24 |
| dirk | #agreed rework https://review.openstack.org/385049 to use a macro | 13:24 |
| jpena | ack, thanks | 13:25 |
| dirk | anything else? I have not had time to review the current patch queue before meeting | 13:26 |
| dirk | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/renderspec+status:open | 13:26 |
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| dirk | we have only one review there for the version handling | 13:27 |
| dirk | which we already talked about | 13:27 |
| dirk | so .. | 13:27 |
| dirk | #topic open floor | 13:27 |
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| dirk | anything that we have to discuss before barcelona ? | 13:27 |
| dirk | I might not be able to join next week's meeting | 13:27 |
| dirk | ah, one more thing.. timezone | 13:28 |
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| dirk | I think the meeting just moves an hour earlier when we switch DST off, right? | 13:28 |
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| dirk | is that an issue for anyone? | 13:28 |
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| jpena | not an issue for me | 13:31 |
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| toabctl | are we done? | 13:33 |
| dirk | looks like | 13:33 |
| dirk | last words..? 3..2..1.. ? | 13:34 |
| dirk | number80 can you do the chair next time? | 13:34 |
| toabctl | ciao | 13:34 |
| dirk | #endmeeting | 13:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 13:34:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-10-13-13.01.html | 13:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-10-13-13.01.txt | 13:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-10-13-13.01.log.html | 13:34 |
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| number80 | dirk: yes (sorry network is not stable here) | 13:37 |
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| dirk | number80: np | 13:47 |
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| slashme | #startmeeting freezer | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 14:01:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slashme. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:01 |
| yangyapeng | hello slashme | 14:01 |
| slashme | Hello everyone :) | 14:01 |
| domhnallw | Hi :) | 14:02 |
| slashme | Hi yangyapeng | 14:02 |
| yangyapeng | :) | 14:02 |
| raliev | hi all | 14:02 |
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| slashme | Let's wait a few minutes for people to join. | 14:02 |
| zhusz | hi all | 14:02 |
| slashme | As usual, the agenda is available here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:02 |
| slashme | And is also empry at the moment | 14:02 |
| slashme | empty* | 14:03 |
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| yangyapeng | hello slashme about freezer-api use oslo.db , It will do. | 14:04 |
| yangyapeng | slashme: freezer-scheduler have a problem . https://github.com/openstack/freezer/blob/master/freezer/scheduler/freezer_scheduler.py#L70 | 14:05 |
| yangyapeng | we should apscheduler addd jobstores store job scheduler time. | 14:06 |
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| raliev | slashme, yangyapeng what about plans to migrate freezer from ES to oslo.db(mysql)? | 14:07 |
| yangyapeng | use sqlalchemy store job_scheduler instead of memory | 14:07 |
| slashme | yangyapeng: This would not work. It would require direct connection between the freezer-scheduler and the mysql db. | 14:08 |
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| slashme | In many environment, this is not possible | 14:09 |
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| yangyapeng | slashme: oh, but i have a try, because first we should have a mysql, so oslo.db | 14:09 |
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| slashme | communication goes like : | 14:10 |
| slashme | Freezer-scheduler <=> freezer-api <=> oslo.db <=> mysql | 14:10 |
| yangyapeng | slashme: yeah | 14:10 |
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| slashme | Bare components should not talk directly to databases. This is the role of an API | 14:11 |
| yangyapeng | . We should not take the scheduler next_time store memory | 14:13 |
| yangyapeng | when have a restore freezer-scheduler jobs should have a autostart | 14:13 |
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| yangyapeng | restart | 14:13 |
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| slashme | This is already the case | 14:14 |
| slashme | If you use just interval | 14:14 |
| slashme | Then the scheduler executes the job when restarted | 14:14 |
| slashme | and then stores the new next_time in memory. | 14:14 |
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| yangyapeng | slashme: yes | 14:14 |
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| yangyapeng | I remeber have a code to migrate oslo.db by daemontool :) :) | 14:17 |
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| slashme | We are currently working on the schema for the database. | 14:18 |
| yangyapeng | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_mysql_migration ? | 14:18 |
| slashme | After this is figured out, neilus will help us doing the development | 14:18 |
| slashme | We can't use mysql as the jobstore for the scheduler. Because the scheduler does not have access to mysql | 14:20 |
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| yangyapeng | API | 14:23 |
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| yangyapeng | If there is no other topic to discuss | 14:26 |
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| zhusz | #topic Permission denied issue when create directory | 14:27 |
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| yangyapeng | zhusz: :) if have some patch | 14:28 |
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| szaher | what directory ? | 14:29 |
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| zhusz | /etc/freezer,/var/lib and so on | 14:30 |
| zhusz | Because we use the freezer client under non-root | 14:30 |
| yangyapeng | freezerclient ? or apiclient? | 14:31 |
| zhusz | freezer client | 14:31 |
| slashme | freezer-agent you mean ? | 14:31 |
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| zhusz | yes, freezer-scheduler also. | 14:32 |
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| yangyapeng | zhusz: can you submit a bug ? | 14:34 |
| yangyapeng | or have a bug link | 14:34 |
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| zhusz | ok | 14:34 |
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| zhusz | Fixing lvm snapshot mountpoint, /var/lib/freezer rather than /var/lib | 14:35 |
| zhusz | when create directory 'freezer' in the /var/lib, for non-root user, it will be fail. | 14:35 |
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| slashme | zhusz: this will fail anyway, you need to be root to take an lvm snapshot | 14:37 |
| zhusz | The patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376411/, same issue, when create the directory 'conf.d' in the /etc/freezer/scheduler | 14:40 |
| zhusz | The gate-freezer-devstack-dsvm test fails | 14:40 |
| zhusz | In the test script, the non-root user is being used | 14:41 |
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| yangyapeng | jenkins fails because Permission denied: | 14:42 |
| zhusz | Yes. | 14:42 |
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| zhusz | yapeng, Is there any solution for this fail? | 14:43 |
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| zhusz | Error while creating directory /etc/freezer/scheduler/conf.d: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/etc/freezer/scheduler' | 14:44 |
| szaher | zhusz: I think this directory shouldn't be created using freezer-scheduler itself ! | 14:45 |
| szaher | freezer-scheduler should complain if this directory doesn't exists or should be able to use temp directory | 14:45 |
| szaher | this directory should be created using the devstack installation script | 14:46 |
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| szaher | devstack script should grant the right permission on that directory, at least everyone should be able to read from directory | 14:46 |
| zhusz | szaher: yes | 14:46 |
| zhusz | https://github.com/openstack/freezer/blob/master/freezer/scheduler/shell.py#L178 | 14:48 |
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| zhusz | In the def do_job_download(client, args): | 14:49 |
| zhusz | The freezer_utils.create_dir is being used to create directory in the /etc/freezer/scheduler. For non-root user, it will be fail also. | 14:50 |
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| slashme | Indeed. | 14:51 |
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| slashme | This one is less bad | 14:53 |
| slashme | You can specify that directory: --conf JOBS_DIR, -f JOBS_DIR | 14:53 |
| slashme | Used to store/retrieve files on local storage, | 14:53 |
| slashme | including those exchanged with the api service.Default | 14:53 |
| slashme | value is /etc/freezer/scheduler/conf.d (Env: | 14:53 |
| slashme | FREEZER_SCHEDULER_CONF_D) | 14:53 |
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| zhusz | slashme: OK. | 14:55 |
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| slashme | For the freezer-agent, if you plan on using LVM, you need to be root. | 14:57 |
| slashme | If not, then you shouldn't need to be root. | 14:57 |
| slashme | Do we have a bug ticket to work on that ? | 14:58 |
| slashme | The meeting is almost over. | 14:58 |
| zhusz | I'll submit a bug for this issue. | 14:58 |
| slashme | thank you zhusz :) | 14:59 |
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| slashme | Here is a list of patch that are waiting for review : | 14:59 |
| slashme | Pending Reviews: | 14:59 |
| slashme | Support upper-constraints in tox.ini | 14:59 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384259 | 14:59 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384260 | 14:59 |
| slashme | Using assertEqual instead of assertEquals | 14:59 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377693/ | 14:59 |
| slashme | Remove .pyo before test run | 14:59 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385291 | 14:59 |
| slashme | Remove default=None when set value in Config | 14:59 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377727 | 14:59 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377721/ | 14:59 |
| slashme | Fixing LVM Snapshot mountpoint | 14:59 |
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| bswartz | rofl? | 14:59 |
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| bswartz | paste.openstack.org would be better for this ^ | 15:00 |
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| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304742/ | 15:01 |
| slashme | Using assertIsNone() instead of assertEqual(None, ...) | 15:01 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378139/ | 15:01 |
| slashme | Updated from global requirements (python-freezerclient) | 15:01 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384476 | 15:01 |
| slashme | Refactoring Freezer Engines | 15:01 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381904/ | 15:01 |
| slashme | Use ConfigParser instead of SafeConfigParser in Python 3 | 15:01 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375257/ | 15:01 |
| slashme | Fix docstrings in index.rst & README.rst | 15:01 |
| slashme | Thank you all for joining today :) | 15:01 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379065/ | 15:01 |
| slashme | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 15:01:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| slashme | Correct freezer reraising of exception | 15:01 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360863/ | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-10-13-14.01.html | 15:01 |
| slashme | Clean imports in code | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-10-13-14.01.txt | 15:01 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365854/ | 15:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-10-13-14.01.log.html | 15:02 |
| slashme | Increase the judgment of the state of the cinder volume | 15:02 |
| slashme | If you have some time, please take a look | 15:02 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318551/ | 15:02 |
| slashme | Fix job_schedule trigger cron | 15:02 |
| slashme | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338679/ | 15:02 |
| slashme | Request service token using identity v3 | 15:02 |
| ganso | o_O | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | think it's safe to start? | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: the meeting's ended :P | 15:03 |
| cknight | bswartz: go for it | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I'm worried about more channel flooding | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | I guess paste has not ended yet )) | 15:03 |
| slashme | #endmeeting | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I guess we'll risk it | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 15:03:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:04 |
| mkoderer | hello | 15:04 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:04 |
| ganso | hello o/ | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:04 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:04 |
| markstur | hi | 15:04 |
| xyang2 | hi | 15:04 |
| kaisers_ | hi | 15:04 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:04 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:04 |
| zengyingzhe | Hi | 15:04 |
| dustins | \o | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:04 |
| ravichandran | hello | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | barcelona in just 12 days! | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | #topic Ocata Design Summit | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Design Summit (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
| bswartz | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Manila%3A | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-design-summit-topics | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | sorry it's been slow going pulling together the design summit sessions | 15:06 |
| bswartz | I've been without email due a rather spectacular failure at my email provider | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I've been trying to find leaders for the discussion topics | 15:07 |
| bswartz | ganso: I hope you are okay leading the discussion on jobs | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | and I'm hoping either mkoderer or dmellado will lead the Tempest session | 15:08 |
| dmellado | bswartz: we'll do | 15:08 |
| * dmellado just needs to check the schedule | 15:08 | |
| bswartz | both of you? or just dmellado | 15:08 |
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| mkoderer | I can lead or co-lead | 15:09 |
| dmellado | bswartz: btw, besides that, there will be a session on the plugins, most probably | 15:09 |
| dmellado | mkoderer: let's co-lead that | 15:09 |
| bswartz | we want dmellado and mkoderer at that session so we can move it if there's a conflict | 15:09 |
| dmellado | +1 from my side ;) | 15:09 |
| dmellado | thanks bswartz | 15:09 |
| bswartz | please lmk if you have any schedule problems | 15:09 |
| dmellado | will do! | 15:09 |
| ganso | bswartz: sure :) | 15:09 |
| bswartz | ganso: can you confirm about the jobs session? | 15:09 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: I hope it's not conflicting with my presentations :( | 15:09 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes | 15:09 |
| mkoderer | sure we'll do | 15:09 |
| bswartz | k | 15:09 |
| bswartz | that just leaves the HA topic | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I don't know who is the peach color on the etherpad | 15:10 |
| bswartz | but HA got a ton of votes so we will cover it | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I can lead that topic but I wanted to know if anyone else had an agenda related to HA | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | I think most of the pressure for HA support is coming from the distros | 15:11 |
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| * bswartz glances at tbarron | 15:11 | |
| mkoderer | bswartz: and people who run it in production! ;) | 15:12 |
| tbarron | hi, yes we would like to be able to run share service active-active but | 15:12 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: do you have active/active HA working for other services? | 15:12 |
| tbarron | ocata is a very short cycle | 15:12 |
| tbarron | fixing race conditions is a pre-requisite | 15:13 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: we have a kubernetes deployment.. it takes care automagically :) | 15:13 |
| bswartz | okay we're on the same page then | 15:13 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: does the magic actually work? | 15:13 |
| tbarron | and cinder not doing active-active volume service yet relieves some pressure downstream | 15:13 |
| mkoderer | tbarron: we should spend some effort in thinking about testing - how we indentify all race conditions | 15:13 |
| bswartz | which services are able to run in A/A configuration without opening up possibilities for races? | 15:14 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: sometimes | 15:14 |
| toabctl | mkoderer, but kubernetes can't make manila-share active/active | 15:14 |
| tbarron | mkoderer: ++ | 15:14 |
| mkoderer | tbarron: no it can't but it's less painful | 15:14 |
| bswartz | toabctl: that's what I was going to say | 15:14 |
| toabctl | so it's less painful than pacemaker active/passive but the same result in the end | 15:14 |
| bswartz | you can run the services A/A but it might be way more dangerous than running A/P | 15:15 |
| bswartz | okay well I'm sure that will be a lively session | 15:15 |
| bswartz | and it looks like I'm still leading it | 15:16 |
| bswartz | now that we have sessions, the next step is putting up the etherpads | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I'll do that, and then contact session leaders to populate the etherpads with their agenda | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | anything else about the design summit? | 15:17 |
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| tbarron | are you posting a list of topics for the contributor's meetup? | 15:17 |
| ganso | tbarron: it is in the etherpad | 15:17 |
| tbarron | ganso: kk | 15:17 |
| ganso | tbarron: top section | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: we'll cover the "remaining" topic there | 15:17 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I've started sorting the topics by vote count | 15:17 |
| bswartz | yes they're in the etherpad | 15:18 |
| bswartz | and the meetup will get its own etherpad which people can add to | 15:18 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | okay that was the only agenda item | 15:19 |
| ganso | can we merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375164/ ? | 15:19 |
| bswartz | anything else we should discuss today? | 15:19 |
| tbarron | ganso: +1 | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | ganso: you asking for reviews or are you asking if the quiet period is ended? | 15:20 |
| ganso | bswartz: asking for reviews, I am assuming the quiet period is ended | 15:20 |
| bswartz | because the quiet period has been over officially since last week | 15:20 |
| bswartz | yeah okay | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: he just wants get it merged )) | 15:20 |
| bswartz | :-) | 15:21 |
| ravichandran | ) | 15:21 |
| bswartz | okay I guess it's a short meeting | 15:21 |
| tbarron | bswartz: mention the PTG so people can start travel plans/budgets? | 15:21 |
| markstur | Are we meeting next week? | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | we'll meet one more time next week and the obviously there will be no meeting during the design summit | 15:22 |
| bswartz | tbarron: oh thx | 15:22 |
| tbarron | bswartz: some teams are doing virtual only is why i bring it up | 15:22 |
| bswartz | So I think we should plan to participate in the PTG | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | it is replacing the design summit after all | 15:22 |
| ganso | cknight: thanks! | 15:22 |
| toabctl | bswartz, +1 | 15:22 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: we have so many conflicts with Cinder sessions this time at the summit | 15:22 |
| cknight | ganso: np | 15:22 |
| * markstur forgets what PTG acronym stands for | 15:23 | |
| bswartz | I don't know what to expect but I not participating seems like a missed opportunity | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: project team gathering | 15:23 |
| bswartz | PTG = project team gathering | 15:23 |
| bswartz | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg | 15:23 |
| markstur | the "gathering" is catchy. PTG not-so-much | 15:23 |
| bswartz | the details are TBD (thanks to my email SNAFU) but everyone should plan on attending that just like you would a design summit | 15:24 |
| bswartz | markstur: ikr | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | what I don't know so much about will be boston | 15:24 |
| * markstur googled for ikr | 15:24 | |
| bswartz | boston will call in the middle of the pike release and AFAIK there won't be so much space for developery stuff | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | s/call/fall/ | 15:25 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: will the manila and cinder sessions happening in parallel at PTG? | 15:25 |
| bswartz | xyang2: no idea -- I really hope not | 15:25 |
| bswartz | xyang2: I'll take an action to find out more and make our plans official | 15:26 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: thanks | 15:26 |
| bswartz | hopefully we'll have a clear plan by the the design summit | 15:26 |
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| markstur | Wondering if "mid-cycles" will happen in Boston. I think some will. | 15:27 |
| bswartz | markstur: that's been suggested but it's totally unclear if that will make sense | 15:27 |
| zengyingzhe | bswartz: will all of the manila sessions webcast? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | the whole point of separating the summit and the PTG is so that people like me can attend both | 15:28 |
| bswartz | if we have a midcycle in boston then we will fail as that goal | 15:28 |
| bswartz | s/as/at/ | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | zengyingzhe: we will setup a hangout/webex as we have before, but we don't have anyone savvy enough to record the sessions like cinder does | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | alright anything else? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 15:30 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 15:30:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-10-13-15.03.html | 15:30 |
| kaisers_ | thnx | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-10-13-15.03.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-10-13-15.03.log.html | 15:30 |
| kaisers_ | &bye | 15:30 |
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| ashtokolov | #startmeeting fuel | 16:14 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 16:14:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ashtokolov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:14 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:14 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:14 |
| ashtokolov | Folks, we have no agenda for today | 16:15 |
| ashtokolov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:15 |
| ashtokolov | Fuel team is working on Newton RC2 as a final RC | 16:15 |
| ashtokolov | we are going to tag it tomorrow | 16:15 |
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| ashtokolov | Next meeting we are going to discuss Barcelona schedule | 16:16 |
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| ashtokolov | thank you and see you next week | 16:17 |
| ashtokolov | #endmeeting | 16:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 16:17:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:17 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-10-13-16.14.html | 16:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-10-13-16.14.txt | 16:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-10-13-16.14.log.html | 16:17 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 17:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei | 17:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: hyakuhei | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei- | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei- | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei hyakuhei- tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
| vinaypotluri | o/ | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:00 |
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| knangia | o/ | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | Hey! Sorry about that | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | My BNC doesn't auth with Nickserv properly | 17:00 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:01 |
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| unrahul | o/ | 17:01 |
| redrobot | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Interesting, who put privacy badger on there. I'm guessing they browse reddit :) | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | oh hai redrobot ! | 17:01 |
| redrobot | hi guys! | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: that would be fungi | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | excellent | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, let's get started | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Privacy Badger + Security Blog | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | fungi: mentioned that Privacy Badger despises our security blog | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | fungi: you around? | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Interesting | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | It's green[0] for me... | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | does anybody use security badger? I assume this is a drawback of using the github.io? | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | green[0] sounds good | 17:03 |
| redrobot | I use the badger | 17:03 |
| redrobot | what's the url? | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://openstack-security.github.io/ | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | http://openstack-security.github.io/ | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | lol, welcome capnoday | 17:04 |
| capnoday | o/ | 17:04 |
| capnoday | hey guys, sup? | 17:04 |
| gmurphy_ | it complains about logging into google user content or something... | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | <3 that nick | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | gmurphy_: yeah, that's what fungi said too | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Interesting, that must be a non-default setting. | 17:04 |
| gmurphy_ | http://imgur.com/a/bi1wz | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | is that because of hyakuhei email address? | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Hmm. Interesting. | 17:05 |
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| gmurphy_ | https://www.eff.org/privacybadger == plugin | 17:05 |
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| lhinds | hi , sorry I am late | 17:05 |
| ccneill | looks ok with noscript + uBlockOrigin | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, I don't have that come up when I hit it | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | heh, hyakuhei must have always allowed google user content in the past | 17:05 |
| ccneill | but I can see hyakuhei's email in plaintext O:-) | 17:05 |
| sigmavirus | o/ | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | hi lhinds and sigmavirus | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak narp, it's been installed all of 10 minutes | 17:06 |
| redrobot | yeah, the badger is real upset about the Google User Content | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | The google content is images anyway | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | oh, it's linked to google drive | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | To my mind that's a false positive but we could move the images into github and link directly | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | I see | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Though that makes tmcpeak grumpy because he doesn't like binary in Git | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | well we already have tons of them, might as well add a few | 17:07 |
| sigmavirus | hyakuhei: github has lfs right? | 17:07 |
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| tmcpeak | I think binaries that are unlikely to change are OK | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | I'll open it as a GH issue, if someone _wants_ to move it all out of Google I won't stop them :) | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak +1 | 17:07 |
| ccneill | find a free CDN tier somewhere maybe? | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | allright, next topic? | 17:08 |
| capnoday | if only there was some kind of cloud thing we could host that on | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | ccneill I think just git will work, one less thing to worry about keeping track of | 17:08 |
| capnoday | +1 | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | capnoday there is no cloud... | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | capnoday: then the cloud will track you ;) | 17:08 |
| capnoday | its just someone elses server? | 17:08 |
| ccneill | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | honestly I don't understand what's the implication here? google knows that I went to the OS security blog? | 17:09 |
| ccneill | yep | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | top 20% on my list of things I don't give s' about :P | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | that being said, I've given up on privacy long ago | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | well, google _might_ know | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | It's more the concern that the blog is using something like single pixel images to track you etc | 17:10 |
| ccneill | Google probably knows anyway if you're using Chrome :P | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | either way it's a false positive | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | but still would be nice to not have our visitors that are using privacy badger get nasty alerts | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OpenCIT | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | so I met with some of the Intel folks last week | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | has anybody heard of Intel CIT? | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | #link https://01.org/opencit | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | Only a little. I know we spoke about it before tmcpeak but it wasn't what I thought it was. | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | basically the idea is to use TPMs to perform host attestation to verify each progressive stage of boot up through the kernel | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | this can help detect certain attacks | 17:12 |
| lhinds | I wonder if they are going to re-write the nova filter | 17:12 |
| capnoday | do i care any more than about regular attestation? | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Nice, yeah the boot chaining stuff is great | 17:12 |
| lhinds | it badly needs it | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: yeah, that's what this proposal is. They want to bring that back up and figure out how to get it | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | OpenCIT can be used to do things like geofencing too, which is interesting given European data laws and such | 17:13 |
| lhinds | good move | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Interesting, does it have any of the people working on it who were involved with TrustedCompute? | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | so we'd like to use a security session to discuss how to move it forward | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: I'm sure it does | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | Interesting. So I'd love to hear more about what they're doing. TC ended up bouncing out of Nova because it wasn't really used IIRC | 17:14 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: I am interested in jumping in and hearing whats possible | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | This is more the 'under-cloud' though right? | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | Or a fully trusted stack? | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: awesome | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: undercloud focus for now, but there are some other cool uses later | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | for example, you could use a trusted and immutable module in a kernel to validate the contents of containers and only deliver secrets to those that pass a check | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | that kind of stuff | 17:15 |
| lhinds | I beleive a big problem with the former TC filter, is it marked a host as trusted based on last boot, but if it had been compromised after then, it would still say 'go ahead' to any VM's asking for a trusted compute host | 17:15 |
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| lhinds | false sense of security I guess would be the words to use | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | lhinds yup, that was the problem with TCP and OAT all over TBH | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | Knowing a host came up with good firmware 3 months ago is of little value | 17:16 |
| lhinds | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: yeah, there are some challenges along those lines. Because of some work I've done in my day job I can help describe the current state of a lot of this too | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | However the ability to re-attest is interesting | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | In a live system etc. | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | Intel has some things to address that problem in their commercial product they may open source at some point | 17:17 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: definately intrested | 17:17 |
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| tmcpeak | lhinds, hyakuhei: awesome! | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | so I'm just going to add a session proposal to | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barcelona-security-sessions | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | seems like we have only 3 so far | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Please do. I need to finalize those over the next few days. | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | how many rooms do we have hyakuhei? | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | we may need to give some back if we don't have additional topics | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | I'll mention it but my understanding is we are not pushed for space at this summit, in fact there were a few slots going spare. | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: gotcha | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | I saw on the ML at least one project give some back | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | anyway, let's move to regular agenda | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Syntribos | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | ccneill, unrahul | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | I see a lot of Syntribos patches landing recently :) | 17:19 |
| ccneill | mmm not as many as a few weeks ago haha | 17:20 |
| unrahul | :D | 17:20 |
| ccneill | we'd like to get browne's CR here merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379844/2 | 17:20 |
| ccneill | if there's anyone here who can give it a nudge :) | 17:20 |
| ccneill | oops, no /2 at end | 17:20 |
| ccneill | I always do that >_< | 17:20 |
| ccneill | so we've started planning for Ocata | 17:21 |
| ccneill | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/syntribos-planning-ocata | 17:21 |
| browne | sorry, i need to revisit the patch. been busy with my day job | 17:21 |
| ccneill | browne: no worries, Andreas asked for a few minor edits so I just jumped in and made them real quick. hope you don't mind me jumping in | 17:21 |
| browne | no problem at all | 17:22 |
| ccneill | we have a few short-term objectives: get a working PyPI release cut, publish docs somewhere, and link it in a retrospective post on the OSSP blog | 17:22 |
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| ccneill | turns out we have the python job all set up for pypi releases, just gotta tag a release. anyone with experience numbering those, hit me up | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | As your planning these things can you start to think about OpenStack release phases ? | 17:23 |
| ccneill | sure, our goal is to have a pypi release cut by the summit if possible | 17:23 |
| ccneill | have a bit of work to do around the pypi installation process, but I think we might make it | 17:23 |
| sigmavirus | ccneill: i can help with that | 17:24 |
| sigmavirus | ccneill: there's little reason for you to start tagging things yourself | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | We need to do similar things (Release management, OpenStack Style) for Anchor, Bandit etc | 17:24 |
| ccneill | ok, well that's just my ignorance talking | 17:24 |
| ccneill | not sure what the common best practices are | 17:24 |
| sigmavirus | ccneill: nah, it's probably out of date docs too | 17:24 |
| sigmavirus | openstack/releases is the repo to use | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei, sigmavirus maybe we can use a session for that at the summit? | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | knock all of them out at once | 17:25 |
| ccneill | so, we've been talking about how to package up templates and payloads for a base pypi install | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | sigmavirus: you coming? | 17:25 |
| sigmavirus | I'm not | 17:25 |
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| ccneill | our thought right now is to basically have separate repos for them | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak that's a good idea. An idiots guide so to speak. There might be others who can drop in and help. | 17:25 |
| sigmavirus | ccneill: data_files is what I'd use | 17:25 |
| sigmavirus | but a separate repo could work too | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Sorry to hijack ccneill | 17:25 |
| ccneill | so on your first run, you go download the payloads, and can cache them or not | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:26 |
| ccneill | hyakuhei: no worries. so a session about uniting OSSP project releases? | 17:26 |
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| ccneill | sounds good to me | 17:26 |
| ccneill | sigmavirus: so I've fumbled around looking at pbr a bit, and I'm not sure how to work with data_files in the way we need to | 17:26 |
| ccneill | we want to ship them to ~/.syntribos/payloads in most cases | 17:27 |
| sigmavirus | hyakuhei: do we have time to discuss that here or should ccneill and I move to -security? | 17:27 |
| sigmavirus | ccneill: ah, neither pbr nor setuptools/wheel will make that easy for you | 17:27 |
| ccneill | yeah :( | 17:27 |
| ccneill | thought about package -> /usr/share/syntribos -> our folder maybe | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | sigmavirus we've got time, it's important for all our code-y projects. | 17:27 |
| ccneill | but that intermediate step isn't always easy, since it might be /usr/share or /usr/local/share or /dev/null based on system.. | 17:28 |
| ccneill | (not really /dev/null, but it does vary) | 17:28 |
| ccneill | anyway, if we were to do repos, I was curious if that would be something that we would host under openstack? or outside it | 17:28 |
| ccneill | so we were thinking like "syntribos-payloads", "syntribos-keystone-templates", "syntribos-neutron-templates", etc | 17:29 |
| ccneill | that way we don't ship you 5000 files on install, and you pick the pieces you want | 17:29 |
| sigmavirus | ccneill: that'd be inside openstack | 17:29 |
| sigmavirus | ccneill: right, having another package makes sense | 17:29 |
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| sigmavirus | ccneill: maybe even separate packages for separate services? | 17:29 |
| unrahul | Also the repo way has the advantage of updating the payloads whenever its necessary and giving a sub command to update the user local version as well. | 17:30 |
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| ccneill | sigmavirus: that's the idea, splitting it all up so that we don't ship stuff that general end-users aren't interested in | 17:30 |
| sigmavirus | ccneill: why not build into syntribos teh ability to download these from a git repo? | 17:30 |
| sigmavirus | or website | 17:30 |
| sigmavirus | or whatever? | 17:30 |
| ccneill | sigmavirus: yep, that's where we're headed at the moment | 17:30 |
| sigmavirus | i.e., syntribos download-templates http://github.com/openstack/syntribos-nova-templates | 17:30 |
| ccneill | I believe unrahul is working on it | 17:31 |
| unrahul | ccneill: +1 yup just started. | 17:31 |
| sigmavirus | that way you don't need to package the templates | 17:31 |
| ccneill | just wanted to air the idea and see if anyone had other ideas, but I'm hearing that this sounds reasonable | 17:31 |
| sigmavirus | ccneill: absolutely | 17:31 |
| ccneill | cool cool | 17:31 |
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| sigmavirus | that said, for releasing syntribos, using openstack/releases is the best idea | 17:31 |
| ccneill | ok, will definitely look into that | 17:32 |
| ccneill | thanks | 17:32 |
| sigmavirus | we already have bandit imported there for now | 17:32 |
| ccneill | sweet | 17:32 |
| sigmavirus | (so for our next bandit release we can use that) | 17:32 |
| ccneill | so one other thing that we're probably going to be revamping soon is our request template language | 17:32 |
| ccneill | how we doing on time? want me to carry this to -security? or keep going? | 17:32 |
| ccneill | tmcpeak? hyakuhei ? | 17:32 |
| sigmavirus | ccneill: I'd revamp that before you release if it's going to break anything | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, let's move to security | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | got a few more agenda items to cover | 17:33 |
| ccneill | ok, sounds good. figured we were getting in the weeds a bit. but tl;dr: fun stuff on the way | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | good stuff | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OSSN | 17:33 |
| ccneill | and if anyone wants to get involved, please reach out! :) | 17:33 |
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| tmcpeak | lhinds: you're up | 17:33 |
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| lhinds | ok, been out of action a little bit, but I have one to go out after this call (embargoed glance note) | 17:33 |
| lhinds | and we have four more then, hyakuhei is also very close to having a final draft. | 17:34 |
| lhinds | after that we have another three to get out (one new one came in iirc) | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | capnoday: you've been dying to write embargoed notes | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | I think I'm still waiting for an OK on one of the embargoed ones | 17:34 |
| capnoday | tmcpeak i live for that! | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | boom | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | haha +1 | 17:35 |
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| lhinds | hyakuhei: couple of notes from gmurphy_ and o-tony | 17:36 |
| lhinds | its close though! | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so what do we need to do to get them all over teh line. | 17:36 |
| lhinds | or maybe even ready if the nits are missing the point | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Ah on mine, yeah | 17:36 |
| lhinds | should have said comments rather then notes...yep | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | posting versions of the note on Launchpad kind of sucks | 17:37 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak and dg___ have some to work on too :) | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | wonder if we want to get to subscribing people to our google doc | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, so generally I get the note up to scratch and then post the final-ish draft | 17:37 |
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| lhinds | ^ what hyakuhei said | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | I had to go back and forth 5 or 6 times on one of them on Launchpad | 17:38 |
| lhinds | but I am not against extending it into the cores / vmt's | 17:38 |
| capnoday | welcome to openstack tmcpeak | 17:38 |
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| tmcpeak | well, I'm happy to forget about it for now | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:39 |
| lhinds | shall we try google-docs on the next one, maybe the one just assigned to you tmcpeak | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: anything else for notes? | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | A better process for these embagoed OSSN would be nice | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: yep | 17:39 |
| lhinds | the main thing is making sure we accept from valid emails | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yeah, especially given how many of them there are these days | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | but so would a better gerrit process for all bad vulns | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | It's a constant issue for the VMT | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | yep | 17:39 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, we've got to move on | 17:40 |
| lhinds | i am done | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | #topic Blog | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | lhinds: you post your masterpiece yet? | 17:40 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: mypost can go out | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Cool! lhinds you should be able to publish it yourself? | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: can you add lhinds to the repo so he can merge his own stuff? | 17:40 |
| lhinds | I just needed to check real life names are ok | 17:40 |
| lhinds | hyakuhei: cool, will take a look | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Security Review | 17:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Security Review (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:41 | |
| hyakuhei | capnoday ? | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | I actually don't think we have anything new hee | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | *here | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | we met with Kolla last week but already discussed that last meeting | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | I think the babrican one wrapped? | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, think so | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | capnoday: you are now Security Review point person :) | 17:41 |
| capnoday | yeah the big news is the barbican one got merged | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | weekly wrap up | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | Do we need to create issues from the barbican one ? | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yeah, I think we had at least one that I remember | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | that is probably a note/OSSA | 17:42 |
| sigmavirus | is there a repo where these reviews are being collected? | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | there is.. | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | yup, capnoday got a linky ? | 17:42 |
| capnoday | sigmavirus yes its the security-analysis repo | 17:42 |
| capnoday | one sec and I'll dig out a link | 17:42 |
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| sigmavirus | openstack or on github? | 17:42 |
| capnoday | openstack | 17:42 |
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| tmcpeak | capnoday: want to announce to ML about our completed Barbican review? | 17:42 |
| sigmavirus | (sorry, I missed this in the past) | 17:42 |
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| capnoday | np sigmavirus | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | we should actually probably do a retro blog post on it too | 17:43 |
| capnoday | tmcpeak yeah good idea, althugh shall we go through the list of findings first and see if we need to open tickets | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | yeah let's do that first | 17:43 |
| sigmavirus | thanks capnoday | 17:43 |
| tbarron | manila is interested in pursuing managed-vulnerability tag. I take it we should look at barbican review as example? | 17:43 |
| capnoday | we also need to figure out where we are going to publish completed reviews | 17:43 |
| * tbarron may be confused | 17:43 | |
| capnoday | this might be one for sicarie | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | check with redrobot first but I think that's a great idea (publish on the ML) | 17:44 |
| capnoday | tbarron yes barbican is a good example, we are currently writing a chapter for the security guide that describes it, once its published (or in review at least) I'll reach out | 17:44 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei ML sounds good to me | 17:44 |
| tbarron | capnoday: excellent, we'd like to make good progress on this front in ocata | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | Sounds like we could do a blog post around it too, what the experience was like, where we need to improve etc? | 17:45 |
| capnoday | excellent | 17:45 |
| capnoday | hyakuhei maybe work with redrobot on that? | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | yupyup | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | tbarron: we're happy to work with you to complete a security review | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | We have to scale up to get these done faster :) | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yeah | 17:46 |
| ccneill | bust out the markov chains! | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | Learning slow is fine so long as we can apply it quickly | 17:46 |
| tbarron | tmcpeak: great | 17:46 |
| ccneill | :P | 17:46 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:46 |
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| tmcpeak | tbarron: probaly won't have time before the summit | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | want to get with us at the summit? | 17:47 |
| capnoday | tmcpeak hyakuhei any thoguhts on publishing reviews? | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | we can get started | 17:47 |
| tbarron | tmcpeak: me either? but yes, at the summit would be perfect. | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | capnoday: I'm pretty sure we should publish them | 17:47 |
| capnoday | it would be nice if there was a way to view it in pretty markup like the security guide, rather than having to browse RST in the repo | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | seems like a lot of work to sit in a closet | 17:47 |
| tbarron | s/?/:) | 17:47 |
| capnoday | but without them being part of the security guide repo, or do we want to move them into there when they are completed? | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | tbarron: great, see you there | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | capnoday: emm, I have no idea | 17:48 |
| capnoday | hahah ok | 17:48 |
| capnoday | well have a think | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, would be awesome to have a nice pretty version | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | We can build RST ourselves with the relevant jobs or roll into the security docs stuff, whatever makes the most sense... | 17:48 |
| capnoday | I'll talk to sicarie and see what he thinks | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | capnoday: +1 | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | cool | 17:48 |
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| tmcpeak | speaking of sicarie, don't think we're going to have a sec guide update today | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | no sicarie, no elmiko | 17:48 |
| capnoday | yeh hes afk | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | so… | 17:48 |
| capnoday | i just spoke to him, RL | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | ok | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | are we having a meeting next week? | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | we obviously aren't in Barcelona | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | I'm also gone the following week | 17:49 |
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| lhinds | I am around next week | 17:49 |
| lhinds | is there something going on next week? | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | Traditionally we don't pre summit | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | no, just don't know if people are heading out early | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | I'm around too | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yea, that :) | 17:50 |
| lhinds | ah ok. | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | I should be around I think | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | #vote Should we have a meeting next week? | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | Oh maybe I can't because I changed nick after I got chair | 17:51 |
| capnoday | #vote Should we have a meeting next week? | 17:51 |
| capnoday | nope, i cant | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | TBH I think we can skip it. Give people some breathing room before the summit | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, let's skip it | 17:52 |
| capnoday | +1 | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool. | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | allright, anything else? | 17:52 |
| lhinds | I am ok with that | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:52 |
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| tmcpeak | thanks everybody! | 17:52 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 17:52:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-10-13-17.00.html | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-10-13-17.00.txt | 17:52 |
| lhinds | thanks * | 17:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-10-13-17.00.log.html | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | hopefully see a bunch of you at the summit | 17:53 |
| gmurphy_ | see yall in barcelona | 17:53 |
| ccneill | o/ hope the summit goes well! | 17:53 |
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| lhinds | is the etherpad the best source for where we will meet? | 17:53 |
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| ttx | SpamapS: meeting ? Or is it APAC week ? | 19:02 |
| rocky_g | good question. | 19:02 |
| ttx | official ical says this week is now | 19:02 |
| * cdent is here if it happens | 19:02 | |
| rocky_g | There's a ping line on the wiki page.... | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | I'm here | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | sorry | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #startmeeting arch_wg | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 19:03:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'arch_wg' | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Arch-WG#Agenda | 19:04 |
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| SpamapS | Courtesy ping for nikhil, harlowja, dstanek, kragniz, auggy | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | #topic previous meeting action items | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:04 | |
| SpamapS | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/ | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 19:05 |
| cdent | hola all | 19:05 |
| SpamapS | hello helllo all! | 19:05 |
| ttx | o/ | 19:05 |
| rustyl | o/ | 19:05 |
| rocky_g | o/ | 19:05 |
| SpamapS | Let's jump right in | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | * SpamapS send proposal for APAC friendly time slot to openstack-dev to get feedback from actual APAC dwellers. | 19:06 |
| ttx | I had an action item to kickstart the "base service" definition stuff | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | DONE | 19:06 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-wg-base-services | 19:06 |
| ttx | that would be the first draft, SpamapS will do a pass on it I think | 19:07 |
| ttx | and then we'll hopefully have some repo to propose it into | 19:07 |
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| SpamapS | Indeed, that cover's ttx's side of this one: | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | * ttx and SpamapS to statr etherpadding thoughts | 19:07 |
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| SpamapS | I've read through and mostly think it stands as a good proposal that I'd like to get into our repo and follow that new process on. | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | but that brings us to this: | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | * nikhil continue to drive forward repo creation | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | AFAICT, nikhil is MIA | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | so I just submitted a new rev on the repo creation review, which is here: | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | #link https://review.openstack.org/375093 | 19:09 |
| ttx | the reviewing machine already -1ed it | 19:09 |
| ttx | twice | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | haha yeah.. Ok I'll continue driving that forward and hopefully we'll have a repo by tomorrow | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS continue driving repo creation forward | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | ttx: once we have a repo, I'll propose your etherpad contents as the first submission. | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | sound good? | 19:10 |
| ttx | +1 | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS submit base services etherpad contents to arch-wg repo upon its creation. | 19:11 |
| cdent | ya | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | I'll propose the draft doc too | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | sweet | 19:11 |
| rocky_g | Cool | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | I'll email the architecture tag when the repo is up | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS email openstack-dev architecture tag when the repo is available for submissions | 19:12 |
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| SpamapS | Do we have any other open action items that we need to discuss? | 19:12 |
| ttx | In other news, we'll have a cross-project workshop around the ArchWG | 19:12 |
| * ttx digs up link | 19:12 | |
| rocky_g | Really cool. | 19:12 |
| ttx | we might want to discuss content for that a bit | 19:12 |
| ttx | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16922/cross-project-workshops-architecture-working-group-fishbowl | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | #topic Summit Cross-Project workshop | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit Cross-Project workshop (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:13 | |
| SpamapS | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16922/cross-project-workshops-architecture-working-group-fishbowl | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | Yes I have high hopes for this fishbowl for introducing ourselves as a group, and also for finding all the other groups that feel they overlap with and/or compliment us. | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | so.. | 19:15 |
| SpamapS | we have a link to an abandoned review in that description | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | Maybe we can replace that with an etherpad specifically for the session, which we can paste the mission statement into? | 19:16 |
| ttx | yes | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | ttx: I don't know how to update the text there. I am hoping you do. :) | 19:16 |
| ttx | and add it to the etherpads list | 19:16 |
| rocky_g | Sounds good | 19:16 |
| ttx | SpamapS: just send me an email with the description you want there and I'll make it happen | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | How about this: | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-summit-arch-wg | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | ttx: where's the etherpads list? | 19:18 |
| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Ocata/Etherpads | 19:18 |
| ttx | I'm a link machine | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | faster than me and I already had it in a paste buffer | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | Ok I'm just adding the etherpad now. | 19:20 |
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| rocky_g | Should you also put a whole section for cross project etherpads? | 19:20 |
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| SpamapS | rocky_g: maybe, I just did ours as one section now, but I do think the cross project ones being in one section makes more sense. | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | I'll get a header in that etherpad later today or tomorrow | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | and email ttx | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS email ttx with update to Fishbowl text and links. | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | #action Pre-populate etherpad with mission statement | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | #topic Proposals for work | 19:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposals for work (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:23 | |
| SpamapS | We have text for base services which ttx has so graciously prepared | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-wg-base-services | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | I'd like to invite everyone to read that. In the future, I think we should try to come to meetings having read all proposals in the current queue.. but for now, shall we pause for say, 5 minutes, so everyone can read that one? | 19:25 |
| ttx | yes, would be good to spot major objections/issues early | 19:25 |
| * cdent reads | 19:25 | |
| ttx | we can catch details later in the review | 19:25 |
| ttx | It's not really changing anything, it's more about setting a number of definitions | 19:26 |
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| SpamapS | I like the way it reads now as a full analysis, not just a proposal. | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | So it feels like the lead-in to a proposal. | 19:28 |
| * cdent agrees | 19:28 | |
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| ttx | it defines the framework for future additions, if any | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | and a path to do that | 19:29 |
| SpamapS | So one way that I'd like to see the outputs of our group look is to first produce something exactly like this (a good solid analysis of current state, gathering any supporting historical information if needed), and then recommended changes to improve from there. | 19:30 |
| rocky_g | That sounds good. Question....does swift use oslo.db? | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | in two parts? updating the state-of-the-state doc as things change? | 19:31 |
| ttx | I wanted to clearly explain the trade-offs in that question, to frame any future discussion | 19:31 |
| ttx | rocky_g: swift doesn't use a global database | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | AFAIK swift only uses sqlite, buried deep inside its code | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | many, many little sqlite dbs | 19:31 |
| ttx | (which is not a bad thing) | 19:31 |
| rocky_g | Ah. Thanks. | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | dtroyer: No I think we produce it as "OpenStack was like this as of X" and then we write what amounts to an RFC for how it should look. | 19:31 |
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| dtroyer | ok. that also lets us reference back to build later things on top of earlier ones | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | and from that RFC/spec/etc we estimate work to get that done, and manage that work in each project as needed. | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | I also like the idea of having varying levels of recommendation level. | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | Like the RFC process.. you can say you're RFC822 compliant, or RFC2822 compliant. | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | so if we recommend projects work together like X, then we can say "We're here to help you implement ARCH-WG-1 | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | and some of those will never happen, and some will be superseded | 19:34 |
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| SpamapS | anybody else like that idea? | 19:35 |
| ttx | that could work, not sure that could apply to everything though | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | its like microversions, just a monotonically increasing number :) | 19:36 |
| rocky_g | ++ as long as we do regular maintenance to remove never used/modify to what we did instead of what we proposed, etc | 19:36 |
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| SpamapS | yeah, some of our recommendations will just not fly, and we'll run out of steam or pivot away from them and not get anywhere, I think that's fine. | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | We can have various states.. Proposed, Active, Implemented, Superseded, Deprecated | 19:37 |
| ttx | I'm fine making it up as we go | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | If we were perfect, everything would go Proposed->Active->Implemented and stay there | 19:38 |
| SpamapS | ttx: me too | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | where is the fun in that? | 19:38 |
| SpamapS | so for now, we're at the state where I think ttx's base services will be proposed. | 19:38 |
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| SpamapS | dtroyer: <sniff> do I smell java class modeling on you? | 19:38 |
| SpamapS | ;) | 19:38 |
| rocky_g | we get to have microversions for our proposals then. that's where the fun is;) | 19:38 |
| SpamapS | you're not an openstack project if you don't have some way to microversion your outputs and inputs | 19:39 |
| cdent | so I should point out that from the the api-wg experience point of view, this is all sounding very optimistic | 19:39 |
| SpamapS | cdent: haha yeah I bet | 19:39 |
| cdent | not be a buzzkill, I encourage the optimism | 19:39 |
| cdent | just more of a "don't overeach, baby steps, etc" | 19:39 |
| SpamapS | cdent: I'd like to encourage you to expand on that. | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | If you don't mind | 19:40 |
| cdent | here now, or later? (either is fine) | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | maybe a quick summary of what your group puts out, and how it is received. | 19:40 |
| rocky_g | Yeah. But you know, the arch group can write the API stuff into its proposals..... | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | here if you don't mind | 19:40 |
| cdent | So I came into the api-wg some time after it was formed, during a point of transition | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | also | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | #topic Open Discussion | 19:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:40 | |
| cdent | initially it was fairly oriented towards capturing the state of apis in openstack | 19:41 |
| cdent | looking for commonality | 19:41 |
| cdent | and formalizing that commonality | 19:41 |
| cdent | what was discovered was that a lot of the implementations could not be considered "good" use of http | 19:41 |
| rocky_g | I put the cross project sessions into the wiki page, just under cinder, and put the link to the session. | 19:41 |
| cdent | so there was a phase of recapitulation of the rfcs into guidelines | 19:42 |
| cdent | a sort of distillation of best practices | 19:42 |
| cdent | that process continues to this day | 19:42 |
| rocky_g | cdent, was there at least some sort of consistency within projects? | 19:42 |
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| SpamapS | rocky_g: thanks for that | 19:42 |
| SpamapS | The inconsistency in the API's does not surprise me. | 19:42 |
| cdent | rocky_g: basically anything that was derived from nova often felt like nova | 19:43 |
| cdent | and other things felt different | 19:43 |
| rocky_g | That makes sense | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | cdent: that explains soooo much of OpenStack history :) | 19:43 |
| cdent | dtroyer: indeed | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | So I expect we'll find something similar happens as we start to give people a way to look at the system from outside the project lens. | 19:43 |
| cdent | within each project I can't really comment on consistency, I've been more focused on the recapitulation than the analysis | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | Like base services I think we'll find are also used differently in each project. | 19:44 |
| ttx | yes, although base services is not really prescriptive: we don't force anyone t ouse them | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | So at some point we may just decide our next best effort is to double down on base services and define how they're to be used. | 19:44 |
| cdent | the api-wg is now entering a phase where newer projects are actively driving the creation and adoption of guidelines | 19:44 |
| ttx | it's more of a "if you want to use extra stuff, you should have that around" | 19:45 |
| cdent | it used to be that nova was creating a lot of guidelines, but that has slacked off | 19:45 |
| SpamapS | Like it's one thing to say "THere's a database" another to say "That database will scale infinitely no matter what schema and query you throw at it" | 19:45 |
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| cdent | and there is a looming challenge of what to do about a project that has no interest in being "compliant" | 19:45 |
| rocky_g | Sounds like the tC might have some interesting challenges shortly | 19:46 |
| ttx | I suspect we'll have more issues with more prescriptive recommendations, like overall/cell scaling arch | 19:47 |
| SpamapS | Yeah I don't mind if a project rejects all the patches we submit to try and bring them into the fold. | 19:47 |
| cdent | api-wg summary: lots of education has been required | 19:48 |
| cdent | EOS | 19:48 |
| SpamapS | THe point is to make clear recommendations and listen when we try to implement them. | 19:48 |
| cdent | +1 | 19:48 |
| SpamapS | The point must never be to 'should all over' something. | 19:49 |
| cdent | but SpamapS people are wrong in the internet! | 19:49 |
| SpamapS | When we make good recommendations, I expect we'll not have a hard time landing patches to implement them. When we make bad ones, we'll likely be making an uphill battle for ourselves. | 19:50 |
| SpamapS | Ok well I am very excited to get in a room with all of you in 13 days. | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | SpamapS: Im afraid that the 'our way is best' projects will not care about good/bad there | 19:50 |
| rocky_g | Hahahahaha! you underestimate inertia! | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | rocky_g: that too | 19:50 |
| SpamapS | dtroyer: We can't help anyone who doesn't want our help. | 19:51 |
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| SpamapS | We'll see how it goes the first few times we try to add DLM support to a project. ;) | 19:51 |
| SpamapS | Also I'm really interested in more proposals for work. | 19:51 |
| SpamapS | I feel like many may be holding back due to the repo creation stumble. | 19:52 |
| SpamapS | Hopefully we can get past that shortly. | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | it'll come in a couple of weeks | 19:52 |
| SpamapS | I think we can end on that. | 19:52 |
| SpamapS | Thanks so much everyone. See many of you in Barcelona! | 19:52 |
| ttx | yay | 19:52 |
| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 19:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 19:53:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-10-13-19.03.html | 19:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-10-13-19.03.txt | 19:53 |
| cdent | thanks SpamapS | 19:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-10-13-19.03.log.html | 19:53 |
| rocky_g | So, I've got a dev team that wants to work on logging issues. I'm going to see how much I can move that forward and hand off detailed desing and implementation. I can do the arch side of it if it looks like it will fly | 19:53 |
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| rocky_g | just an fyi | 19:53 |
| rocky_g | And thanks, all | 19:53 |
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