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EmilienM#startmeeting tripleo14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 27 14:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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EmilienM#topic rollcall14:00
EmilienMhello there14:00
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mwhahahaahoy14:00
bandinio/14:00
cdearborn\o14:00
d0ugalHello! \o/14:00
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rhalliseyhi14:00
jpicho/14:00
pandao/14:00
jaosorioro/14:00
derekho/14:00
ccamachohi!! \o/14:00
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EmilienM#topic agenda14:01
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EmilienM* one off agenda items14:01
trowno/14:01
EmilienM* bugs14:01
EmilienM* Projects releases or stable backports14:01
EmilienM* CI14:01
thrasho/14:01
EmilienM* Specs14:01
beagleso/14:01
EmilienM* open discussion14:01
EmilienM#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items14:02
EmilienMif you have any off item you would like to discuss, please add it to the etherpad or tell it now :)14:02
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sshnaidmo/14:02
EmilienMif there isn't any item, we'll go through the regular agenda14:03
EmilienM#topic bugs14:03
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EmilienM#link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-rc214:04
EmilienM1 New, 1 Won't Fix, 9 Triaged, 8 In Progress, 57 Fix Released14:04
EmilienMI'll call that a milestone!14:04
d0ugalNice!14:04
bandiniI hope to have a fix for the New one by tonight14:04
EmilienMso we still have 18 open bugs14:04
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EmilienMmarios: where are we with manila?14:05
EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:tripleo/rc214:05
EmilienMI still see the bug open14:05
EmilienMlooks like we can close it14:05
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EmilienMI'll close the blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/manila-cephfs-integration since all code has been merged14:06
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EmilienMso there are 10 open bugs14:07
EmilienMat this stage of the RC I'm not sure we can fix them all14:07
EmilienMif you're willing to work on them, please assign it to yourself14:07
EmilienMactually, only 2 bugs are not assigned14:07
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EmilienMhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1624727 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/161492814:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1624727 in tripleo "Could not fetch contents for file:///home/stack/tripleo-heat-templates/puppet/post.yaml" [Critical,Triaged]14:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1614928 in tripleo "openstack overcloud update stack should be powered by a mistral workflow" [High,Triaged]14:08
EmilienMif there is any volunteer to work on it, go4it :)14:08
EmilienMalso please let me know if you think your bug is not going to be fixed by Thursday14:08
EmilienMwe'll have to defer it to Ocata and add a backport-potential flag14:09
bandiniack14:09
EmilienMdo we have outstanding bugs we need to discuss this week?14:09
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EmilienMI would like to congratulate the team for helping in fixing bugs in a such short timeframe14:10
EmilienMthat's a great team work here!14:10
EmilienMI'll close this topic by reminding people to use tripleo/rc2 gerrit topic so reviewers can use https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:tripleo/rc2 to easily find importants reviews14:11
EmilienM#topic Projects releases or stable backports14:11
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EmilienMso our plan is still to release TripleO RC2 on Thursday14:12
EmilienMwhen it's done, we'll have stable/newton branch for all projects14:12
EmilienMreminder: we already have stable/newton for tripleoclient14:12
EmilienMI know jpich did a lot of backports already for ^14:12
EmilienMjpich: could you please check if more backports are needed wrt oooclient?14:13
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jpichEmilienM: Yep, will go through the list14:13
EmilienMthanks14:13
EmilienMso i'll send the release request by Thursday and it will be processed end of day or early Friday.14:14
EmilienMany questions or feedback about release management?14:14
EmilienMlet's move to the next topic then14:15
EmilienM#topic CI14:15
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EmilienM#link http://tripleo.org/cistatus.html14:15
EmilienMCI looks pretty stable recently14:15
EmilienM#link https://dashboards.rdoproject.org/rdo-dev14:15
EmilienMwe also have packages promotions every day14:15
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EmilienMthe only information I would like to share today is that I'm going to work on re-enabling the container CI job after the release - I would like to re-use the multinode framework that we did for scenarios14:16
EmilienMderekh, sshnaidm, bnemec, dprince: anything to mention about CI this week ?14:16
* derekh has nothing to add14:17
EmilienMpanda: have we made progress on testing ipv6 ?14:17
dprincenothing from me14:17
sshnaidmEmilienM, it's good :)14:17
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pandaEmilienM: ha-ipv6 experimental job is blocked by this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/162772914:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1627729 in tripleo "Rabbitmq fails to start on two nodes on HA IPv6 configuration" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:17
pandaEmilienM: deployment secceds and overcloud works, but cluster is inconsistent14:17
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EmilienMpanda: is it transient?14:18
pandaEmilienM: we'll have to wait for rabbitmq and erlang packages to be updated14:18
EmilienMi'm asking because I remember bnemec telling us that he could deploy an ipv6 overcloud14:19
bnemecIt varies.  I've had all three fail.14:19
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bnemecAnd other times it works for me.14:19
bandiniyou can deploy one, but rabbit will only start on controller-014:19
EmilienMsounds like a critical bug to me14:19
bandiniso what happens after that is really "it depends"14:19
EmilienMis it because of low performances?14:20
bandiniI spoke to haikel and he was going to look into it14:20
EmilienMor is it a real software bug14:20
bandinino because we are missing ipv6 patches in erlang and rabbit14:20
pandaEmilienM: real bug14:20
EmilienMok so that's a real bug :)14:20
bandiniso we need to update them14:20
EmilienMthanks for looking at this one14:20
bnemecEmilienM: It's not just a performance issue.  It happens in my local environment too, although not all the time.14:20
EmilienMI tagged https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1627729 to rc2 and critical14:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1627729 in tripleo "Rabbitmq fails to start on two nodes on HA IPv6 configuration" [Critical,Confirmed]14:20
EmilienMbandini: ok, can you let us know in the bug report like you already do?14:21
bandiniEmilienM: as soon as I have some feedback I will update the LP bug sure thing14:21
EmilienMthanks14:21
EmilienMdo we have anything else about CI today?14:21
bnemecIt's running fast now. :-)14:22
EmilienMmatbu|bbl: any update about upgrades? (yeah I know)14:22
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EmilienMbnemec: yes, it's much better14:22
bnemec279695,10 - 1h 31m14:22
bandiniEmilienM: I have an update about upgrades14:22
bnemecOne of these times we're going to break 90 minutes. :-)14:22
bandinithey mostly work now. there is one race condition that needs fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/162796514:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1627965 in tripleo "M/N upgrades - pacemaker upgrade step2 is racy" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Michele Baldessari (michele)14:23
bandiniI will tackle it tonight14:23
EmilienMbandini: let us know if you need help in fixing the bug or review. Also make sure to tag it tripleo/rc2 in gerrit14:23
bandiniEmilienM: aye, will do so14:23
EmilienMthanks and nice work14:23
EmilienMI guess people know why I pushed for an upgrade job some months ago :)14:24
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EmilienMhopefully we can make progress on this area during ocata14:24
bandinithat'd be awesome14:24
EmilienManything else about CI? next topic: specs14:24
* gfidente would be happy to get updates back to start with14:24
bnemecgfidente: I have a patch up to make that job work again, but it's blocked by the ipv6 issues.14:25
gfidentebnemec, acl saw it14:25
EmilienMI created an multinode update job, i'll check but i think it's still in experimental pipeline14:25
EmilienM#topic specs14:26
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EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open14:26
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EmilienMI have one note about blueprints14:27
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EmilienMif your blueprint is for Ocata, please update it for the Summit so it's ready to be discussed prior in Gerrit and in real at the Summit14:27
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trownI started a CI blueprint, not sure if it will need a full spec or not https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/make-tripleo-ci-externally-consumable14:27
* EmilienM is happy to see Container blueprint alive again :)14:28
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trownstarted with just an etherpad to start getting thoughts about the topic organized for summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/make-tripleo-ci-externally-consumable14:28
EmilienMmhh, this one might need a spec14:29
EmilienMbut I'll let the team give opinion14:30
bandiniEmilienM: so the deadline for specs/blueprints for Ocata is before the BCN summit?14:30
EmilienMtrown: I updated https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-tripleo-ci14:30
trownwe have never had specs for CI, but I think if anything we could produce a spec after more discussion in BCN if we think it would be helpful14:30
EmilienMbandini: deadline to submit a blueprint is Summit I would say14:30
bandiniEmilienM: ack14:31
EmilienMtrown: right, the idea is to use Gerrit to engage discussion and collaboration14:31
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EmilienMsomething we can't really do in Launchpad14:31
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EmilienMthis topic is really important to continue to grow our community14:32
EmilienMwe have a lot of complaints about this problem, we really need to find solutions now.14:32
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bnemecUmm, we're really not accepting new feature proposals after summit?14:32
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EmilienMbnemec: well, it depends on the projetc14:33
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EmilienMas a reminder, Ocata is very short14:33
EmilienMit's a 4 months release14:33
trown^ this14:33
EmilienMso i'm not sure accepting features requests after the summit is a good idea for us14:33
EmilienMI think we already burnt a lot of ernergy in Newton to accept everything we could14:33
EmilienMI would like to use Ocata cycle to stabilize a bit the things and improve our CI14:33
EmilienMso if you want a feature, come in BCN with a blueprint14:34
EmilienMdoes it make sense?14:34
EmilienMplease shoot at me if I'm wrong14:34
beagles+1 .. esp. when you consider there's a holiday season in there. It's a *short* four months.14:35
jaosoriorEmilienM: well... if I had already brought up my blueprint and was accepted, but ended up being deferred to Ocata. What do I do? The spec is out there with no reviews.14:35
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EmilienMjaosorior: after the release, we'll have more time to review the blueprints for Ocata14:36
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jaosoriorok14:36
EmilienMand at the Summit we'll discuss what blueprints we take14:36
EmilienMin other words, if you already have submitted your blueprint, you don' thave to worry14:37
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EmilienMdo we have questions or feedback about specs/blueprints?14:37
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EmilienMgreat, we have time for open discussion14:38
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EmilienM#topic open discussion14:39
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EmilienMif you have any question or another topic to bring this week, please go ahead :)14:39
EmilienMif there is nothing, I'll let people go back to work14:40
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EmilienMthanks everyone and stay awesome!14:40
beaglescheers!14:40
trownthanks for chairing EmilienM14:40
EmilienM#endmeeting14:41
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ccamachothanks!14:42
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tmorin#startmeeting bgpvpn15:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 27 15:01:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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pcarverHi15:02
tmorinhi bfernando, doude, eon`, lewo, matrohon, pcarver, timirnich, wdeclercq15:02
matrohonhi15:02
wdeclercqhey15:02
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tmorinlet's start ?15:03
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matrohonyep15:04
tmorin#topic last week wrapup15:04
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tmorinlast week we merged quite a lof of changes15:04
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tmorinamong them changes needed to unbreak the gate (thx matrohon)15:04
tmorinwe merged a simple change to allow the ODL plugin to do BGPVPNs of type l215:05
tmorin(looking forward to see this work!)15:05
tmorinand another significant change merged was the last portion of the Horizon work15:06
tmorin#info we now have a full Horizon UI !  yay :)15:06
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tmorin#topic related neutron fixes15:06
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tmorinlast week me and matrohon worked on neutron's fixes15:07
tmorinone for https://launchpad.net/bugs/153706715:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1537067 in networking-bgpvpn "enforce constraints on "neutron router-interface-add"" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Mathieu Rohon (mathieu-rohon)15:07
tmorinand two for the bagpipe driver (issues in newton's ovs agent)15:07
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tmorinall this has now merged into neutron's stable/newton15:07
tmorinso we should be good for the release15:07
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tmorin#topic work in progress15:08
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tmorinsome things are in the pipe...15:08
tmorina fix to bug 1537067, as mentioned above15:08
openstackbug 1537067 in networking-bgpvpn "enforce constraints on "neutron router-interface-add"" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537067 - Assigned to Mathieu Rohon (mathieu-rohon)15:08
tmorinand a fix to bug 162764515:09
openstackbug 1627645 in networking-bgpvpn "bagpipe driver: need to co-exist with Neutron routers" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627645 - Assigned to Thomas Morin (tmmorin-orange)15:09
tmorinthis one I think will be solved soonish15:09
tmorinit addresses a longstanding limitation of bagpipe driver15:10
tmorinadditionally we also have work in progress by pcarver on the API documentation side15:10
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tmorinhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/373395/15:10
NikoHermannsErichey15:11
tmorinpcarver: do you want to comment ?15:11
pcarvertmorin: It's coming along. I've made a bunch of changes that I haven't pushed in the latest patch set yet15:11
tmorinhi NikoHermannsEric15:11
pcarverAlso, I still need to disambiguate the parameter names15:11
tmorinok15:11
tmorinwould you like to keep this in net-bgpvpn for now, or submit soonish in neutron-lib ?15:12
pcarverIt looks like there's a lot of cleanup going on in neutron-lib as well for ambiguous parameter names15:12
pcarverso the examples I was looking at contained information that hadn't been fixed yet15:12
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tmorinpcarver: np, understood, sounds like "work in progress"  / very reasonable :)15:15
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wdeclercqSorry im a bit late to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369413/4/networking_bgpvpn/neutron/db/bgpvpn_db.py  ... does the query return NoResultFound .. ever without doing .all() on it?15:15
tmorinpcarver: do you plan to look at how to integrate that into the doc generated by doc/source, or... ?15:15
pcarvertmorin: I think once I get it all cleaned up I can then move it into neutron-lib pretty easily15:16
pcarverbut I'm not sure about getting it in before the end of the current cycle15:16
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tmorinwdeclercq: that's ok, you're not so late: I haven't review it much myself :)15:17
pcarvermight make sense to get it into networking-bgpvpn first and then migrate it to neutron-lib right after the summit15:17
tmorinpcarver: publishing to the doc site happens independently of releases we make, so that's not a pb15:17
tmorinpcarver: ok, so the plan would be: clean it up here (manually checking the result with tox -eapi-ref) and then submit in neutron-lib ?15:18
tmorinpcarver: ok15:18
pcarvertmorin: yes. It belongs in neutron-lib eventually as long as networking-bgpvpn is a stadium sub-project15:18
tmorinwdeclercq: maybe matrohon can reply ?15:18
tmorinpcarver: yes15:18
pcarverbut there was some issue with getting the networking-sfc docs into neutron-lib15:19
pcarverI decided to follow the networking-sfc model and get the docs created first, then tackle the issue of getting them into neutron-lib15:19
matrohonwdeclercq, tmorin : I'm revisiting thsi patch now that the counter part as merged in neutron15:19
matrohonany review is welcomed15:20
pcarverI'm still not sure I 100% understand Armando's objection when I tried to move the networking-sfc API docs into neutron-lib15:20
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pcarverI'm pretty sure it wasn't an objection to them being there, just an objection with the mechanics of the change15:21
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tmorinpcarver: for our information, can you point at the corresponding change ?15:21
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pcarvertmorin: Oh, I see I was misremembering the sequence of events. I'm thinking of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351407/15:23
pcarverI wasn't moving them into neutron-lib, I was trying to enable publishing of them where Louis had created them15:24
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pcarverBut in the comments I asked about how to move them and Armando's reply was "Louis and I talked about this extensively. Moving now is not the right thing to do, there's a checklist of things to go through before we can move the API reference, which is really the last item to worry about."15:24
pcarverSo I dropped it for the time being.15:25
pcarverI don't know what the checklist is15:25
tmorinpcarver: ok, understood15:25
pcarverBut by working on it in the networking-bgpvpn repo I can at least get the content of the API docs complete and correct15:25
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pcarverI'll make a point of asking Armando about moving it after I've got it complete and correct15:26
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tmorinok !15:28
tmorinnext topic ?15:28
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tmorin#topic  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36941315:29
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tmorinback to this change15:29
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tmorinwdeclercq: just to keep track of that, can you comment in the change and then matrohon can follow up ?15:30
matrohontmorin, I started taking your comments into account15:30
tmorintmorin: wdeclercq's comment I guess15:30
matrohontmorin, we just discussed offline15:30
tmorinok15:30
wdeclercqtmorin: I'll submit a change on the current patch set. matrohon knows15:30
tmoringood then15:30
matrohonwdeclercq, will submit a cleanup patch15:30
tmorinwhat else should we discuss today ?15:30
matrohonwdeclercq, you can submit a change to master15:30
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tmorinabout https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1576440 ...15:31
openstackLaunchpad bug 1576440 in networking-bgpvpn "bagpipe: revisit driver now that update notification are fixed" [Medium,Confirmed]15:31
tmorinthis bug is really a code cleanup improvement15:31
tmorinit does not have to be "Medium" importance15:31
tmorinwe can downgrade it to clean up our list for release 5.0.015:32
matrohonwe should move it to ocata?15:32
tmorinyes, indeed15:32
tmorin#topic work for stadium inclusion / ocata-115:33
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tmorinwe have a few things that we need to work on to stay in the stadium15:33
tmorinthe deadline seems to be confirmed at ocata-115:33
tmorinwhich is November 17th15:33
tmorinnot very close, but not far either15:33
tmorin#help we need people to volunteer15:34
pcarvertmorin: Do we have a list?15:34
matrohonpcarver, the two remaining bugs for newton :)15:35
tmorinsome of the bugs we marked for 5.0.0 relate to that15:35
tmorinyes15:35
tmorinbug 156199315:35
openstackbug 1561993 in networking-bgpvpn "support for openstack CLI" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156199315:35
matrohonhttps://launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+milestone/5.0.015:35
tmorinbug 158751115:35
openstackbug 1587511 in networking-bgpvpn "demonstrate ability to upgrade" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158751115:35
tmorinand there is a checklist here as well: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/stadium/governance.html#checklist  (thanks matrohon)15:35
tmorinpcarver: neutron-lib api-ref is actually in this checklist15:36
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matrohontmorin, migrating to openstack client too15:37
tmorinthere is grafana as well -- not sure how important this is, nor how much work it will require15:37
tmorinmatrohon: yes, but we already track this one15:37
matrohontmorin, yep but examples are provided in the checklist, it's helpful15:38
tmorinyes15:39
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tmorinwdeclercq, NikoHermannsEric, pcarver, bfernando... anyone...: if you can think about helping on one of these, that could be nice15:40
pcarvertmorin: I'll take a look15:40
tmorintmorin: it would be nice to kickstart these before the summit,since Nov-17 will be very close afterwards15:40
tmoringreat pcarver !:)15:40
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tmorindo we have another topic to discuss ?15:42
tmorin#topic open discussion15:43
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NikoHermannsErictmorin: I will look at the list15:43
tmorinthanks NikoHermannsEric15:43
tmorinok, seems like we are done for today...!15:45
tmorinthanks everyone!15:45
tmorin#endmeeting15:45
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hongbin#startmeeting containers16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 27 16:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'containers'16:00
hongbin#topic Roll Call16:00
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Dragoo/16:00
strigaziSpyros Trigazis16:00
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hieulq_Hieu LE o/16:00
swatsonStephen Watson o/16:00
eghoboo/16:00
rpothierRob Pothier16:00
mkraiMadhuri Kumari16:00
jvgrantJaycen Grant16:00
tonanhngoTon Ngo16:00
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dane_leblanc__o/16:01
vijendaro/16:01
adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:01
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hongbinThanks for joining the meeting Drago strigazi hieulq_ swatson eghobo rpothier mkrai jvgrant tonanhngo dane_leblanc__ vijendar adrian_otto16:01
hongbin#topic Announcements16:01
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hongbin1. Magnum PTL election end. adrian_otto is your PTL in Ocata cycle16:02
adrian_ottoI would like to extend my most sincere thanks to hongbin for serving as our PTL over the Newton release cycle. We deeply appreciate your leadership during this time, and look forward to working together more.16:02
tonanhngoThanks Hongbin for leading Magnum the Newston cycle!16:02
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jvgrant+116:02
swatson+116:02
strigaziThanks hongbin16:02
hieulq_thanks hongbin and congrats adrian_otto16:02
dane_leblanc__+116:02
hongbinThanks. Glad to work with you in newton16:02
mkraiThanks hongbin :)16:02
strigaziCongrats Adrian16:02
mkraiCongratulations adrian_otto16:03
vijendarThanks hongbin and congrats adrian_otto16:03
hongbinI will work with adrian_otto this week for the transition.16:03
hongbin#topic Review Action Items16:03
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hongbinlet me find teh list of AIs16:04
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hongbin1. hongbin talk to kuryr ptl to setup a join-session in design summit16:04
hongbinThe Kuryr PTL agreed to have a joined session16:04
hongbinI believe adrian_otto will follow up the details later16:04
adrian_ottoI will, thanks.16:04
adrian_ottolet's record an action for me to follow up with him16:05
hongbin2, hongbin contact the heat team about a join-session for discussing heat performance16:05
hongbin#action adrian_otto follow up with Kuryr PTL to arrage a joined session16:05
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hongbinI believe strigazi is working on this?16:05
strigaziYes16:06
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hongbinstrigazi: how is the session going?16:06
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strigaziI contacted the heat ptl and he told me that they are doing a large stacks sessions where we can join16:06
strigaziwith tripleo16:06
strigaziThere will be no specific16:07
strigaziheat-magnum session16:07
strigaziWe can start the discussion on that16:07
adrian_ottoWe should plan to attend that session.16:07
strigaziand see how it goes16:07
tonanhngoThey should have an etherpad for planning, we should add our topics for discussion16:08
adrian_ottothe only concern I have is making sure it's placed on the schedule such that it does not conflict with other priorities of ours.16:08
adrian_ottotonanhngo: can you help us track down a link to that etherpad?16:08
tonanhngohopefully this session would not conflict with our own session16:08
strigaziI can continue on that and have more details16:08
tonanhngoSure, I will follow16:09
strigaziI'm preparing a list of detailed subjects16:09
adrian_ottohongbin: do you happen to know who's putting the schedule together this year?16:09
hongbinadrian_otto: i think it is ttx16:09
strigaziThey also have a PTL change16:09
adrian_ottothanks hongbin16:09
hongbinok, that is all for the AIs16:09
hongbin#topic Essential Blueprints Review16:10
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hongbin1. Support baremetal container clusters (strigazi)16:10
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support16:10
hongbinstrigazi: ^^16:10
strigaziWhile working on the mesos bm driver, I noticed the only difference between that vm and bm drivers16:11
strigaziare the private network and the lack of cinder support16:11
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strigaziWith a colleague here we investigated how we can make the private network optional but enabled by default16:11
strigaziand pass the selected network as a parameter (we have that option already)16:12
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strigaziSo, of the mesos driver16:12
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strigazis/of/for16:12
strigaziI will only modify the current driver to support both flavor with the same heat templates16:13
strigaziEventually this can happen for the other driver too16:13
strigaziwe are testing how the optional network goes at the moment16:13
strigazithat's it16:13
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hongbinthanks strigazi16:14
hongbinany comment regarding the ironic integration?16:14
hongbin2. Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango)16:14
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide16:14
hongbintonanhngo: ^^16:14
tonanhngoThe section on Horizon and native clients merged.  Thanks again everyone for the helpful comments.16:14
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tonanhngoWith this, I think the key sections in the guide are in place16:15
tonanhngoI will pause for awhile to focus on the scalability work for the summit16:15
strigazitonanhngo: I have a suggestion16:15
tonanhngostrigazi: Sure16:15
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strigazito discuss until the summit and at the summit16:16
strigaziThe user guide has a lot of good content but has become very big16:16
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strigazialso there is content for ops and end users16:16
strigaziwe could start spliting the guide16:16
strigazito architecture, ops and user16:17
strigaziwhat do you think?16:17
adrian_ottothat was our original intent as of the Tokyo summit16:17
tonanhngoThat's a good idea.  I was thinking of starting an operator guide.  The role distinction is basically who can manages the infrastructure16:17
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tonanhngoIt's true that some parts of the current user guide is really for operator16:18
adrian_ottothe service operator has one set of interests, and the service consumer has another set.16:18
tonanhngoWe have talked about tuning, which would be an operator guide16:18
adrian_ottoso it might be nice to split along that line.16:18
strigaziI could yes16:18
strigazi(only yes)16:18
strigaziWhat I wanted to say is16:19
strigaziI want to add content for the ironic integration and i'm not sure where16:19
strigaziMaybe Arch guide?16:19
tonanhngoWho would be the audience for the arch guide?16:20
adrian_ottoseems to me that fits in the operator guide16:20
strigaziMostly ops but16:20
strigaziwon't have any instructions to follow or setup steps16:20
strigaziit will be the description of the service16:21
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strigaziWith not a strict definition it's ops guide16:21
tonanhngoSo maybe we can start the operator guide by pulling the appropriate sections from the current user guide, and add more.16:21
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tonanhngoThen see if a separate arch guide would be needed16:22
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adrian_ottoseems sensible16:22
strigazimakes sense16:22
strigazithanks Ton16:22
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tonanhngoThanks Spyros16:22
adrian_ottoI worry that an arch guide standalone may be rather short16:22
adrian_ottoleaving the reader with an appetite for more specifics16:22
strigaziif the ops guide grows to much we split later16:23
strigazis/to/too16:23
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tonanhngoIt could start as a section in the operator guide, and we can direct the reader there16:23
strigazinew file?16:24
tonanhngoYes definitely16:24
strigazigreat16:24
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hongbinok, next topic16:24
hongbin3. COE Bay Drivers (muralia)16:24
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/bay-drivers16:25
hongbinmuralia: ^^16:25
DragoI have muralia's update16:25
Drago"so i updated my driver patch. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374906 . not sure why some of the functional tests are failing at the gates. they pass for me in devstack."16:25
Drago"ive addressed all comments. just need more reviews while i fix those failing tests"16:25
DragoThat is all16:25
hongbinThanks Drago16:26
hongbin#topic Kuryr Integration Update (tango)16:26
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hongbintonanhngo: ^^16:26
tonanhngoI attended the Kuryr meeting yesterday16:26
tonanhngoThe IPVLAN proposal seems to move along quickly16:26
tonanhngoA POC was made available and they already started putting the implementation into the Kuryr lib16:27
tonanhngosome part will go into the libnetwork for Swarm16:27
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tonanhngoThe nested container support is coming slowly16:28
tonanhngosimilarly for the Rest/API driver16:28
tonanhngoso nothing much for us to move on16:29
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tonanhngoAs they implement the IPVLAN support, I think issues are starting to emerge16:30
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tonanhngoWe will have to see how these are addressed.  If they cannot be solved, then they will just be limitation to be aware of16:30
tonanhngoThat's about all16:30
adrian_ottoso the implementation is not working completely yet?16:30
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tonanhngoThey just have the bare minimum to show the concept16:31
tonanhngothe full implementation is in progress now16:31
adrian_ottook16:31
hongbinthanks tonanhngo16:31
hongbin#topic Open Discussion16:32
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hongbinAnyone has topic to discuss?16:32
tonanhngoSo there is a fix for the Kubernetes load balancer, at least for LBaaS v116:32
strigaziI have an image with k8s 1.316:32
strigaziThat was for Ton ^^16:33
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hongbin_it looks my nick just changed (not sure why)16:34
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strigazitonanhngo, with k8s 1.3, lbaas v2 is expected to work right?16:34
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adrian_ottosweet!!16:38
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strigaziI have filtered the all, so for me it's just weird16:38
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adrian_otto1IRC is having a complete fit16:38
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tangoLost my connection16:39
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jvgrantstrange that some of us aren't impacted16:39
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tonanhngoprobably just some servers16:40
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hongbinbecome stable now?16:40
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strigazitonanhngo, about the fix16:41
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strigaziyou set hostname-override for all cases16:41
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strigazifor clouds without proper dns that is a problem16:41
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tonanhngoYes, we need that because the user can decide to use the load balancer at any time16:42
tonanhngoThe DNS issue also impacts some of the kubectl command16:42
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tonanhngolike exec16:42
strigaziyeap16:42
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adrian_otto1strigazi: I must have missed something because I don't understand the context of your remarks. Is hostname-override related to LBaaS? How?16:42
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tonanhngoThe context is as follows16:43
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strigaziI assume Ton is typing16:44
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tangoYes I show up as both tango and tonanhngo :)16:44
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tangoSo to make this happens, we need to register with kube-apiserver the Nova name of the instance for the node16:45
tangoWe do this using the hostname-override option in kubelet16:45
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tangoThis is one of the requirement for any feature in Kubernetes that requires interaction with OpenStack16:46
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hongbin_I got disconnected again16:46
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tangoSo, this holds for the load balancer and cinder volume support, and likely other features in the future.16:47
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tangoSo back to the DNS question, it might be worth considering adding a DNS as part of the Kubernetes cluster16:47
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strigaziWe can update /etc/hosts on all nodes,  we need the heat-agents for that16:48
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tangoThat's another option16:49
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tangomaybe easier16:49
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strigaziThat do you mean have a DNS as part of the cluster?16:49
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tangoinstall a DNS service16:50
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tangoand register the node names there16:50
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strigazilike skyDNS? I though  it was only the services16:50
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strigazi*only for16:51
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tangoIt would be good to try out16:52
hongbin_strigazi: tango : you could use the /etc/hosts as a DNS. what it needs is to populate it with IP addresses/hostnames of all the instances16:52
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Drago1Heat agents will definitely be on the nodes too16:53
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Drago1They're needed for lifecycle operations16:53
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adrian_ottoDocker tried an implementation recently where each node in a swarm had a mirrored copy of a hosts file, and that proved problematic.16:54
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adrian_ottoprobably because they did not have a way to handle inconsistencies in that distributed state16:54
hongbin_i see16:54
adrian_ottoif you have a node that's responding too slowly, it can miss updates, and then the state is inconsistent16:55
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adrian_ottopaket loss or other split cluster conditions can lead to taht16:55
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adrian_ottoso what seems like a simple solution starts to become a complex distributed system once you try to address all the edge cases16:55
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tangoTrue16:56
tangoit will be very hard to debug16:56
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adrian_ottoso using something on top of a quarum data store (example etcd, zookeeper...) tend to be better16:56
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Drago1Quaram? Is that quorum or is there something called quarum? I'm unfamiliar16:58
adrian_ottoSkyDNS uses etcd as a backing store for the resource records.16:58
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adrian_ottosorry, I meant "quarum" as a category16:58
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adrian_ottowe have only a couple of minutes remaining.16:58
strigaziSkyDNS, isn't only for the services to be registered?16:58
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strigazilet's go to out channel16:59
tangoThis seems like a general problem that needs some investigation.16:59
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tangook16:59
adrian_ottoyeah, we can continue this in #openstack-containers16:59
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hongbinok. thanks for joining the meeting16:59
hongbin#endmeeting16:59
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kzaitsev_mb#startmeeting murano17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 27 17:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'murano'17:00
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kzaitsev_mblet's see who shows up for some murano today =)17:00
vakovalchuko/17:01
osh\o/17:01
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kzaitsev_mbnice to see you guys =) the usual suspects =)17:01
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tlashchovao/17:01
vakovalchuk=)17:01
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kzaitsev_mb#topic Action Items Review17:04
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kzaitsev_mb1) kzaitsev_mb Check if we need to backport glance v2 commit to stable/newton17:05
kzaitsev_mbdid that17:05
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kzaitsev_mb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376980/17:05
kzaitsev_mbhope tsufiev would be happy =)17:05
kzaitsev_mb2) kzaitsev_mb osh write an email to ML and start a doodle to gather opinions and find most suitable time17:05
kzaitsev_mbalso done17:06
kzaitsev_mb#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/104529.html17:06
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kzaitsev_wswow my IRC client just froze17:09
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oshprobably we should wait a little for any opinion and make a commit with this new schedule17:10
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kzaitsev_wsosh: exactly what I wanted to propose17:10
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kzaitsev_wsok, seems like I was not the only one to have connect issues17:11
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kzaitsev_wsthe fact that I'm using a different nick now means, that I will not be able to change topic =/17:12
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oshIRC gets mad17:12
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kzaitsev_wsosh: seems like Freenode had connectivity issues17:14
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kzaitsev_mbok I'm back )17:14
Nikolay_St=Ð’17:14
Nikolay_St=D17:14
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kzaitsev_mb#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda17:14
kzaitsev_mb#topic Murano Meeting time change17:15
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kzaitsev_mbwell I think we've discussed that one17:15
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kzaitsev_mbwaiting for feedback from the community before applying any changes =)17:15
kzaitsev_mbif no one responds — we'll probably not change anything17:15
DavidPurcellThis time is good for me.17:16
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kzaitsev_mb#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/104529.html17:16
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kzaitsev_mbDavidPurcell: pls find a couple of minutes to respond to the thread, even if you're comfortable with current time =)17:17
DavidPurcellWill do.17:17
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kzaitsev_wsduh, looks like I still have connection issues from my usual location17:20
kzaitsev_ws=(17:20
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kzaitsev_mb#addchair kzaitsev_ws17:23
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kzaitsev_mbjust in case there will be more issues =/17:23
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kzaitsev_ws#topic Topics for Barcelona17:24
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kzaitsev_wshm, doesn't seem to work17:24
kzaitsev_mb#topic Topics for Barcelona17:24
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kzaitsev_mboh, addchair is actually an admin command17:25
kzaitsev_mbso17:25
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kzaitsev_mbwe have a single FishBowl room and a single WorkRoom sessions in Barcelona17:26
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kzaitsev_mbwe also had an opportunity to claim some more space for our discussions17:27
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kzaitsev_mbbut I decided that spending more time on x-project communications would be more productive17:27
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kzaitsev_mbso I gave away the 2d WR to glare guys (mfedosin)17:28
kzaitsev_mbI propose to use FishBowl for status updates and feedback from community =) hope there would be some )17:28
kzaitsev_mband we need to decide a topic for our WR17:29
kzaitsev_mb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-barcelona-wr17:29
kzaitsev_mbfeel free to add any suggestions guys ^^^17:29
kzaitsev_mbWe may go for multi-region/multi-cloud apps (although I believe we did that back in Tokyo and we're good on track of the changes we agreed on there =)17:30
kzaitsev_mbsame is true for app dev framework17:30
kzaitsev_mbidk, need to get some fresh ideas =)17:30
kzaitsev_mbhence the etherpad )17:30
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kzaitsev_mb#topic Open Discussion17:31
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kzaitsev_mbvakovalchuk: still there? =)17:31
DavidPurcellThis question might be larger scope than just Murano, but do you know the status of RBAC testing across various OpenStack projects?17:32
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vakovalchukkzaitsev_mb: yep17:33
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kzaitsev_mbDavidPurcell: definitelly larger than murano's WR =)17:33
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kzaitsev_mband no, I'm not sure I have the latest info on the topic17:34
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kzaitsev_mbI can share that in murano we're thinking about adding policy enforcement functions to MuranoPL, to allow app developers controll that, although I think vakovalchuk has a bit more info on that one17:35
kzaitsev_mbbtw17:35
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kzaitsev_mbvakovalchuk: do we have our backport thing on hold until release? =)17:35
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vakovalchukwe have a usual backport thing17:36
vakovalchuk#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-stable-backports17:36
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vakovalchukbut I didn't look which of the fixes are already in Newton17:36
vakovalchukyet17:37
kzaitsev_mbvakovalchuk: awesome. next week we will have newton released17:37
kzaitsev_mbso we'll start backporting things from ocata to newton17:37
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kzaitsev_mband mitaka will enter 2d stage17:38
kzaitsev_mband liberty will near it's EOL17:38
kzaitsev_mbvakovalchuk: so if you'll have any questions regarding switch to newton — pls ping me =)17:39
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vakovalchukas for policy enforcement for murano applications, we've started the development and plan to finish it this year. not sure when exactly, because the feature is quite big17:39
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vakovalchukkzaitsev_mb: of course =)17:40
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kzaitsev_mbvakovalchuk: yeah, maybe it can be a nice topic for discusssion for our WR )17:40
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kzaitsev_mbok, few last topics to cover17:40
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kzaitsev_mb29th is the deadline for RCs17:41
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kzaitsev_mbwe have few fixes in stable/newton branch17:41
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kzaitsev_mbso we'll release RC217:42
kzaitsev_mbmaybe tomorrow )17:42
kzaitsev_mball from my side17:43
kzaitsev_mb=)17:43
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kzaitsev_mbanyone has anything to add? =)17:45
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DavidPurcellUnit tests are coming along, but we got slowed down by some internal work.17:46
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kzaitsev_mbDavidPurcell: thanks a lot for the effort! +)17:46
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vakovalchuk+17:47
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oshawesome work folks (:17:47
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kzaitsev_mbok, I'll blame connectivity issues on the low attendance today =)17:49
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kzaitsev_mbI suggest we finish 10 mins early today, folks )17:50
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kzaitsev_mband save 10 minutes of our lives =)17:50
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osh+17:50
kzaitsev_mbsee you in #murano17:50
kzaitsev_mb#endmeeting17:50
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Rockygrefstack folks...do we have a meeting, or no?19:02
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luzChello Rockyg19:03
luzCI think meeting was canceled today19:04
sslypushenkoI remember that Catherine was talking about cancellation today's meeting19:04
Rockygah.19:05
Rockygok.19:05
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Rockygmore time for huawei paperwork =P19:05
luzC:)19:05
RockygThanks, guys!19:05
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