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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 1 14:00:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Who's here today? | 14:00 |
| _gryf | o/ | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | \o | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:00 |
| macsz | O/ | 14:01 |
| cdent | I'm sort of nearby | 14:01 |
| edleafe | cdent: I know that feeling :) | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | Let's give everyone another minute... | 14:02 |
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| jaypipes | o/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | I know that bauzas_off is on PTO this week and next | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | morning everyone. | 14:02 |
| edleafe | Hey Hey Jay | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | OK, let's get started | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #topic Mid-cycle recap | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | I didn't know how to summarize this | 14:03 |
| edleafe | so I figured that questions might be best | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | We did agree on the resource provider tags for handling qualitative aspects of a request | 14:04 |
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| alex_xu | \o/ | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | And that we would continue to abuse^H^H^H use flavor extra-specs to present them to the user | 14:05 |
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| jaypipes | yay netsplits. | 14:05 |
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| alaski | o/ | 14:05 |
| _gryf | edleafe, so the extra specs will not go away? | 14:05 |
| edleafe | _gryf: probably not in our lifetime | 14:05 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: can you repeat the last few things. I think a number of netsplits just occurred. | 14:05 |
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| _gryf | oh my… | 14:06 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: ok | 14:06 |
| edleafe | 09:04 < edleafe> We did agree on the resource provider tags for handling qualitative aspects of a request | 14:06 |
| edleafe | 09:04 < alex_xu>| \o/ | 14:06 |
| edleafe | 09:05 < edleafe> And that we would continue to abuse^H^H^H use flavor extra-specs to present them to the user | 14:06 |
| edleafe | 09:05 < jaypipes>| yay netsplits. | 14:06 |
| edleafe | 09:05 < alaski>| o/ | 14:07 |
| edleafe | 09:05 < _gryf> edleafe, so the extra specs will not go away? | 14:07 |
| edleafe | 09:05 < edleafe> _gryf: probably not in our lifetime | 14:07 |
| edleafe | 09:05 < edleafe> :) | 14:07 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: did you get that ok? | 14:07 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: yeah. didn't agree on the specifics yet (doing a review of the spec now actually) but the overall proposal was ++ | 14:07 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: I thought the require prefer tags can be added as atrribute of flavor, then leave the extra_spec alone, maybe keep existed extra_spec and freeze to add more? | 14:08 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: exactly. We agreed that tags were the way to go, and that we should proceed along those lines | 14:08 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: not sure that I follow. How would you add a flavor attribute? | 14:09 |
| alex_xu | jaypipes: thanks :) | 14:09 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: i mean flavor.required = [....a set of tags ...] | 14:09 |
| Yingxin | edleafe: alex_xu: we may need to draft another spec for it | 14:10 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: so would it be a json blob in the db? | 14:11 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: *another* json blob? | 14:11 |
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| _gryf | edleafe, it might be one-to-many relation… | 14:12 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: i think it isn't json blob, I remember jaypipes write a db scheme in the maillist | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: well, I generally don't like stuffing multiple values into a string and then relying on parsing to extract them | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | hence my preference for tag attributes over big_long_honking_names_with_many_meanings | 14:14 |
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| edleafe | so I guess I'd have to see a spec on how that would work. | 14:14 |
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| Yingxin | edleafe: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099675.html fyi | 14:14 |
| Yingxin | the table flavor_tags | 14:15 |
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| edleafe | But in any case, the notion that we could separate the qualtative aspects of the request from the flavor was not possible | 14:15 |
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| edleafe | Yingxin: thanks | 14:16 |
| alex_xu | Yingxin: thanks for the link | 14:16 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: yea | 14:16 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: I see, it's sort of the way extra_specs *should* have been done :) | 14:16 |
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| edleafe | FYI, I abandoned my spec for separating out qualitative request items from flavor | 14:17 |
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| edleafe | since it will probably be at least two more cycles before we can consider it | 14:17 |
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| edleafe | Anything else from the midcycle that we should cover? | 14:18 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: library os-capabilities? | 14:18 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: ah yes! thanks | 14:19 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: do you want to summarize? | 14:19 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: I'm not sure I clear about that, I only know it is libraty to define and catalog the capabilities, probably a set definitions for tags. | 14:20 |
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| jaypipes | sorry, netshits... | 14:21 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: it was also to provide a standard interface for reporting capabilities to the placement api, right? | 14:21 |
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| alex_xu | and there should be some convenient function like mapping the existed extra_spec(which is capabilities) to capabilities tags | 14:21 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: emm...i'm not sure, maybe jaypipes have better explain | 14:21 |
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| edleafe | Well, we can discuss the particulars when it comes time to start designing it. | 14:23 |
| edleafe | Let's move on for now | 14:23 |
| Yingxin | is it going to cover Standardize capabilities using Enums? | 14:23 |
| Yingxin | the standardize part? | 14:23 |
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| edleafe | Yingxin: probably not through Enums, but standardize on the format/naming for things | 14:24 |
| Yingxin | edleafe: thanks | 14:24 |
| edleafe | #topic Placement API | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329149 | 14:25 |
| edleafe | ^ cdent's spec | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: merged. | 14:25 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: yup | 14:25 |
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| edleafe | but it's been a few weeks since our last meeting, and wanted to make sure everyone was familiar with it | 14:26 |
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| edleafe | There are also some follow-up patches dealing with the separate placement db issues | 14:27 |
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| edleafe | #topic Generic Resource Pools | 14:28 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: yup, will be reviewing those today as soon as I finish review on alex_xu's tags spec. | 14:28 |
| edleafe | Looks like the current stack of patches begins with: | 14:28 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334031 | 14:28 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: anything to add about that series? | 14:29 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: no, just that reviews on it would be very useful. | 14:31 |
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| edleafe | got it | 14:31 |
| edleafe | Next up | 14:31 |
| edleafe | #topic Populate Allocation Fields | 14:32 |
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| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300177 | 14:32 |
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| jaypipes | _gryf poo-poo'd my spec :( | 14:32 |
| _gryf | jaypipes, sorry… | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | _gryf: just kiddin' :) | 14:32 |
| _gryf | jaypipes, i know ;) | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | _gryf: I'll fix those typos and push another. | 14:33 |
| jaypipes | _gryf: and answer your query about the pci devs | 14:33 |
| _gryf | jaypipes, ok! | 14:33 |
| edleafe | Yeah, that spec looks very close | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | Nobody posted any items to review, so... | 14:35 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:35 |
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| edleafe | Anyone have anything to discuss? | 14:35 |
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| Yingxin | I submitted a spec related to scheduler performance improvement | 14:36 |
| Yingxin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345874/ | 14:36 |
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| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345874/ | 14:37 |
| Yingxin | if we continue need to use in-memory python filtering and weighing, it is worthwhile to look at | 14:37 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: thanks, I haven't looked at that yet. Added to my queue | 14:37 |
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| Yingxin | thanks ed | 14:38 |
| alex_xu | Yingxin: cool, added to my queue also | 14:38 |
| Yingxin | alex_xu: \o/ | 14:38 |
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| edleafe | Anything else? Or should we get back to work? | 14:39 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:39 |
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| alex_xu | or get back to sleep :) | 14:39 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: Heh, forgot about timezones :) | 14:39 |
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| edleafe | OK, everyone, back to work/sleep!! | 14:40 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 1 14:40:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-08-01-14.00.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-08-01-14.00.txt | 14:40 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: thanks | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-08-01-14.00.log.html | 14:40 |
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| korzen | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 1 15:01:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is korzen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| korzen | Hello all | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| korzen | rossella_s: jlibosva: sc68cal: electrocucaracha: | 15:01 |
| korzen | ankur-gupta-f, | 15:01 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | hello | 15:01 |
| rossella_s | hi there | 15:01 |
| * electrocucaracha waves back | 15:01 | |
| korzen | I see there is plenty of us | 15:02 |
| korzen | Ihar is OOO today | 15:02 |
| korzen | I'm not sure if he is out for today or this week | 15:02 |
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| korzen | let start with agenda | 15:03 |
| korzen | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
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| korzen | Upgrades and objects are priority work items for upcoming neutron midcycle | 15:03 |
| korzen | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle-workitems | 15:03 |
| korzen | hope we will have good discussions there | 15:04 |
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| electrocucaracha | korzen: do you need that we update the line 28" | 15:05 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen: with the objects that we're working on | 15:05 |
| korzen | yea, I guess we can add all reviews | 15:05 |
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| korzen | that we think are important | 15:06 |
| korzen | P1 stays the same, port, subnet and maybe network | 15:06 |
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| korzen | we will see in about 2 weeks | 15:07 |
| korzen | waht is the general progress | 15:07 |
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| korzen | some of the items on the list is last week Ihar and I had good conversation with kevinbenton | 15:07 |
| korzen | and valuable feedback from him was gathered | 15:08 |
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| korzen | I need to reach kevinbenton to settle the details | 15:08 |
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| korzen | but in general the discussion was about extensions and OVO | 15:08 |
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| korzen | how we should handle the out of tree plugins/extensions to neutron resources | 15:09 |
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| korzen | how API is currently passing all filters to plugins and we do not support unknown arguments in objects | 15:10 |
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| korzen | and also kevinbenton noticed a improvement required in objects like QoS and trunk to slip details up to API | 15:11 |
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| amotoki | I think we need a way to let the API layer know what attributes are available as filters. | 15:11 |
| korzen | meaning like every fields in converted to to_dict and exposed via API, for example revision_number which was merged last week | 15:11 |
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| korzen | amotoki, so it should be the general aproach | 15:12 |
| amotoki | korzen: totally agree | 15:13 |
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| korzen | for now, I guess we can remove the filters just before passing it to object | 15:13 |
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| korzen | #link â—‹ http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/100286.html | 15:14 |
| amotoki | by which layer? | 15:14 |
| korzen | ML discussion on approach | 15:14 |
| -amotoki- should follow the discussion so far | 15:14 | |
| korzen | amotoki, in db layer | 15:15 |
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| amotoki | korzen: sounds fair. | 15:15 |
| korzen | like here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321001/13/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_common.py@278 | 15:15 |
| korzen | currently is looks like unknown filters are filtered out in https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/common_db_mixin.py#L203 | 15:16 |
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| korzen | currently, we are forced to change the tenant_id to project_id until API layer will take care of that | 15:17 |
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| korzen | not sure when that happen, amotoki dasm | 15:17 |
| dasm | korzen: plans were to do this previous week/this week | 15:17 |
| dasm | but still we didn't merge all db changes. | 15:18 |
| amotoki | korzen: In my understanding, the API layer translates the changes so that the change does not affect the DB layer directly. | 15:18 |
| korzen | dasm, ok, good to know, hope to see it ASAP :) | 15:18 |
| dasm | so api will be next step after db. | 15:18 |
| dasm | korzen: as asap as possible ;) | 15:18 |
| korzen | dasm, exactly | 15:18 |
| dasm | amotoki: that's the idea. but didn't look into api layer, so i'm not quite sure if something else would be necessary | 15:19 |
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| dasm | or it can be completely separated from db. | 15:19 |
| amotoki | dasm: i need to investigate it a bit next two weeks before the midcycle. | 15:19 |
| dasm | amotoki: hmm.. so this/next week? | 15:20 |
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| dasm | i'll also try to catch-up with api layer and check it before midcycle | 15:20 |
| amotoki | dasm: yeah. at least the API layer needs to pass either of tenant_id or project_id to DB layer. | 15:20 |
| korzen | my understanding is that DB layer should be prepared to handle both | 15:21 |
| amotoki | dasm: korzen: yes. it should work, but the APi layer should pass either of them at some time | 15:22 |
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| amotoki | if DB layer accepts both, the migration would be easier :) | 15:23 |
| dasm | korzen: you're assumption is correct, but what amotoki wrote. | 15:23 |
| dasm | amotoki: :) | 15:23 |
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| -amotoki- just notices we are still in the topic of "announcement" | 15:23 | |
| korzen | yea, ok moving on | 15:23 |
| dasm | :D | 15:23 |
| electrocucaracha | hehe | 15:23 |
| korzen | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:23 |
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| korzen | is sc68cal around? | 15:24 |
| korzen | I guess not | 15:24 |
| korzen | I have no update on that topic | 15:24 |
| korzen | so next | 15:25 |
| korzen | #topic Object implementation | 15:25 |
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| korzen | we had good progress last weeks | 15:25 |
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| korzen | Ihra was working on security groups patch | 15:25 |
| korzen | I have subnet integration patch almost ready | 15:26 |
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| electrocucaracha | korzen: manjeet was doing some migration on models -> https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bug/1597913 | 15:26 |
| korzen | thanks to manjeet on starting this effort | 15:26 |
| ankur-gupta-f | korzen: o/ question(s) | 15:26 |
| electrocucaracha | this effort was need it before OVO implementation | 15:27 |
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| korzen | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1597913 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1597913 in neutron "refactor model definitions" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Victor Morales (electrocucaracha) | 15:27 |
| korzen | yes ankur-gupta-f ? | 15:27 |
| ankur-gupta-f | Do you have the bandwidth to do network OVO? If so, what Objects need work? | 15:27 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | note: it will take me a bit longer to get up to speed | 15:28 |
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| korzen | ankur-gupta-f, well I guess I can use your help, because there is still one or two patches for subnet | 15:28 |
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| amotoki | korzen: is there any summary on the progress of OVO migration? | 15:29 |
| dasm | amotoki: ++ do we have some up-to-date place? | 15:29 |
| amotoki | I think it is related to ankur-gupta-f's question. | 15:29 |
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| dasm | i noticed that etherpad is kind outdated | 15:29 |
| korzen | amotoki, dasm I guess that my last email for ML is a good point to start, other than gerrit | 15:29 |
| korzen | let me grab a link | 15:30 |
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| korzen | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099039.html | 15:30 |
| dasm | korzen: thanks.\ | 15:31 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | Digging through Subnet OVO I noticed that subnetpool is not a synthetic field but rather its own Object. Why is this? pardon my silly questions. | 15:31 |
| ankur-gupta-f | thanks for the link korzen: | 15:31 |
| korzen | so there is list of objects and some of them is already merged | 15:31 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen: even when the P1 is port, subnet and network, that doesn't restrict to take others right? | 15:31 |
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| korzen | ankur-gupta-f, not sure exactly | 15:32 |
| amotoki | is P1 Phase1? | 15:33 |
| korzen | electrocucaracha, your question is directed to core reviewers, rossella_s | 15:33 |
| korzen | priority 1 | 15:33 |
| korzen | amotoki, ^ | 15:33 |
| amotoki | :) | 15:33 |
| electrocucaracha | ack | 15:34 |
| rossella_s | electrocucaracha, there's no restriction but if you have free cycle, better help with the existing objects | 15:34 |
| korzen | electrocucaracha, the intention is like have the bigger objects converted first | 15:34 |
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| korzen | I'm happy seeing all the objects being developed in parallel but we are limited to core's bandwidth | 15:35 |
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| dasm | moar cores!!11 ;) | 15:35 |
| amotoki | agree with all. In my understanding, we are now focusing on stuffs related to port/subnet/network as they have many attributes added by extensions | 15:35 |
| ankur-gupta-f | korzen: If that is the case then the Etherpad should be updated with the P1 priorities and what specifically needs to be worked on for each Object (network, subnet, etc..) | 15:35 |
| korzen | more cores (but not CPU) like they said in nova | 15:35 |
| electrocucaracha | got it, maybe the only thing that can be do it in parallel is the movement of models | 15:36 |
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| korzen | ankur-gupta-f, which etherpad? | 15:36 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/code-sprint-neutron-objects-brno | 15:37 |
| ankur-gupta-f | unless a newer one exists | 15:37 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | I keep getting refered to it to pick up something to work on | 15:37 |
| korzen | ankur-gupta-f, no I guess this is the only one, besides ML | 15:37 |
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| korzen | ok, I will update the etherpad then | 15:38 |
| korzen | this week | 15:38 |
| ankur-gupta-f | Thank you | 15:38 |
| amotoki | From today's discussion, it seems better we have some etherpad pages to capture the progress | 15:38 |
| amotoki | reusing the code sprint etherpad may be confusing though :-( | 15:39 |
| korzen | #action korzen to update/create etherpad with OVO progress | 15:39 |
| ankur-gupta-f | We have others on our team interested in potentially helping out as well. It would help out a lot. Thanks korzen: amotoki: | 15:39 |
| amotoki | korzen: you don't need to do all by yourself of course. everyone can collaborate :) | 15:40 |
| korzen | yeap | 15:40 |
| electrocucaracha | +1 | 15:41 |
| rossella_s | ankur-gupta-f, korzen the port object can be adopted, Ihar was working on it but he has plenty on his plate | 15:41 |
| ankur-gupta-f | +2 | 15:41 |
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| korzen | so subnet is very close, port is handles by Ihar but network could use some help | 15:42 |
| korzen | we can also ask Ihar if he need a help in port | 15:42 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, let's create the etherpad and put all the info there | 15:43 |
| korzen | rossella_s, ok, I will create such, and also we can put there an side effect jobs | 15:44 |
| korzen | like Setup core plugin in multiple places | 15:44 |
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| korzen | or common place to modify the filters from API to object layer | 15:44 |
| rossella_s | korzen, agreed | 15:44 |
| korzen | or we have this API fitlering for QoS and trunk | 15:45 |
| korzen | filtering* | 15:45 |
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| korzen | talking about extensions and objects | 15:45 |
| korzen | Ihar started a patch | 15:46 |
| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348279/ | 15:46 |
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| korzen | it is like get the db object as accessible field from OVO | 15:46 |
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| korzen | because the general request was- we cannot cut off the db from extension usage, which would mean that out of tree extension will be broken | 15:47 |
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| korzen | rossella_s, do you have any example in my, where out of tree extension can modify the DB to inject its logic? | 15:48 |
| korzen | in mind* | 15:49 |
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| korzen | current approach to extension when using object is to define all fields that are needed upfront in object definition | 15:50 |
| rossella_s | korzen, I don't but I imagine it's possible | 15:50 |
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| korzen | when out-of-tree extension wants to add anything, it wont get the data of of DB | 15:51 |
| korzen | out of* | 15:51 |
| korzen | I have hacked in UT | 15:51 |
| rossella_s | korzen, they will have to use objects too...otherwise what's the point of this ? | 15:51 |
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| korzen | to dynamically add new field with defined OVO | 15:52 |
| korzen | and at tearDown to remove the fields from 'fields' | 15:52 |
| rossella_s | korzen, cool...add me as reviewer please | 15:52 |
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| korzen | rossella_s, let me grab a link | 15:52 |
| amotoki | do we have any feedback from active out-of-tree plugins/drivers maintainers? it is not easy to discuss out-of-tree stuffs without good feedback... | 15:53 |
| korzen | amotoki, nothing yet, only from kevinbenton | 15:54 |
| korzen | rossella_s, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321001/13/neutron/tests/unit/plugins/ml2/drivers/ext_test.py defining extension OVO | 15:54 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, thanks | 15:55 |
| korzen | rossella_s, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321001/13/neutron/tests/unit/plugins/ml2/test_extension_driver_api.py and here you have the hack | 15:55 |
| korzen | line 191 | 15:55 |
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| korzen | ok, I guess we are running late, any questions? | 15:55 |
| korzen | #topic Open discussion | 15:56 |
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| korzen | amotoki, can you point me to any person who can give a feedback about out of tree extensions? | 15:56 |
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| amotoki | korzen: honestly I am not sure who is best person. Gary maintains vmware plugins but i am not sure nsx plugin is affected.. | 15:58 |
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| korzen | ok, I will talk with kevin first and then maybe ML | 15:58 |
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| amotoki | most plugin/driver maintainer are noticed when their plugins/drivers start to break. | 15:59 |
| dasm | :D | 15:59 |
| amotoki | if it happens early in a cycle, it would be a good chance to communicate. | 15:59 |
| korzen | :) | 15:59 |
| korzen | ok we are out of time | 15:59 |
| dasm | thanks o/ | 15:59 |
| korzen | thanks everyone, ping me on IRC ir something was not clear | 16:00 |
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| korzen | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 1 16:00:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-08-01-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-08-01-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks bye | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-08-01-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 1 16:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachys, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:00 |
| jecarey | 0/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | \o | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | wake up!!!! | 16:00 |
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| dims | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | \o/ | 16:00 |
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| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| ansmith | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | \o | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| * harlowja_at_home waits a few for people to show up | 16:01 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok good enough :-P | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| toabctl | hi | 16:03 |
| bknudson | none for keystone that I know of. | 16:03 |
| amrith | none from trove ... | 16:03 |
| johnsom | Nothing from LBaaS/Octavia land | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | None for Cinder. | 16:03 |
| amrith | other than that we have to deal with oslo incubator stuff soon | 16:03 |
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| gcb | nothing from Nova as I know , perhaps we can land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347608/ now | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | jd__, is http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-ceilometer-py27-with-oslo-master/54047df/ ok from ceilometer? | 16:04 |
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| jd__ | harlowja_at_home: looks like it | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-keystone-py34-with-oslo-master/9c56a34/ also had some issue, but i'm not opening that at home (to big) | 16:04 |
| gcb | nova has fixed oslo.context 2.6.0 in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342604 | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb, cool | 16:05 |
| jd__ | harlowja_at_home: the failure is not related to oslo, a fix in the review :) | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | jd__, sweet | 16:05 |
| jd__ | just a poorly written test | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:05 |
| lxsli | o/ | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | lxsli, any red flags from u :-P | 16:06 |
| lxsli | nope >.> | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Community-wide goals | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i just wanted to let people know to look over some stuff from dhellmann that's going on | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349070/ | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'add ocata goal "switch to oslo libraries"' | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/100472.html | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems relevant to bring up here ;) | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so if people get some time, looking over that thread/review would be cool | 16:08 |
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| * harlowja_at_home not sure yet what it will result in, but time will tell that i guess | 16:08 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, anything i (or) others need to do for that one | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | (besides review and reading and...) | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'll ping him later i suppose | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for newton | 16:10 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyone need a specific release of anything? | 16:10 |
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| johnsom | Nope | 16:11 |
| dims | nope | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | k, i'll just do a bulk release later then :-P | 16:11 |
| rpodolyaka | freeze is on the week of Aug 22-26, right? | 16:11 |
| dims | http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:12 |
| * harlowja_at_home pulls up schedule | 16:12 | |
| dims | "Final release for non-client libraries" | 16:12 |
| dims | y you are right rpodolyaka | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems right to me | 16:12 |
| rpodolyaka | ack, thanks! only a few weeks left :P | 16:12 |
| kgiusti | gah! | 16:12 |
| dims | i'd recommend leaving that week for touchups and actually release what we can before that | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | works for me | 16:13 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: we're closing down work on the feature branch. | 16:13 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: amqp-dispatch-router | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, by closing u me finishing? | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | *u mean | 16:14 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: yep, feature complete at this point, have some small fixes and docs to submit | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | k, cool, not closing like 'getting rid of' | 16:14 |
| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: other than docs, the refactor only touches amqp1 files - it's isolated | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool, guess its time to merge all that (or soon)? | 16:15 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: yeah I'd like to get some exposure before the freeze :P | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Reviews needing review | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews needing review (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:16 | |
| harlowja_at_home | exposure needed on oslo.messaging feature branch! :) | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.messaging+branch:feature/amqp-dispatch-router | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any other reviews folks want to raise? | 16:17 |
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| lxsli | wondering where we are with verbose? | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lxsli, is that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317547/ ? | 16:18 |
| lxsli | yep | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | do u want to submit that one again, we can see if its possible :-P | 16:19 |
| lxsli | Sure thing | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | guess it's a short meeting today :-P | 16:20 |
| lxsli | \o/ | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'm gonna blame mondays | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:21 |
| * harlowja_at_home needs more coffee | 16:21 | |
| harlowja_at_home | btw, what are the chances of folks getting to Barcelona ? | 16:21 |
| lxsli | Should be good | 16:21 |
| gcb | ok , vote for oslo sessions https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barcelona_oslo_talks | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | folks have any gut feeling if they'll make that? | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | gcb, nice nice | 16:22 |
| johnsom | I will be there | 16:22 |
| gcb | perhaps I will be there | 16:22 |
| kgiusti | most likely. I may have to ride in the luggage bay, but likely | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i think i'm likely also, just manager is in india right now, but need to verify | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | high chances of me showing up, ha | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | with a little bit of rain | 16:23 |
| * SpamapS will def be in Barcelona | 16:23 | |
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| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: I bought tickets so I will be there. | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | ontop of it nice, nice | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | They were 642 round trip! | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | not bad | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Wasn't waiting for the go-ahead which would be after they cost 2200 bucks instead. | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i know what u mean there, ha | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | i should probably do the same, ha | 16:25 |
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| harlowja_at_home | okie dokie, guess we can call it short-meeting monday unless others have some things to discuss? | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | going once | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | going twice | 16:27 |
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| amrith | gone? | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | sold | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | to amrith for 5$ | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:28 |
| amrith | nice | 16:28 |
| amrith | thanks harlowja_at_home | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | np np | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, back to #openstack-oslo for anything else needed i suppose :) | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | quick meetings ftw :-P | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 1 16:29:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-08-01-16.00.html | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-08-01-16.00.txt | 16:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-08-01-16.00.log.html | 16:29 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kairat, nikhil, sudipto, sskripnick | 17:31 |
| nikhil | o/ | 17:31 |
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| docaedo | o/ | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glare | 17:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 1 17:31:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glare' | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | hi :) | 17:32 |
| kairat_ | o/ | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | so, updates | 17:32 |
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| mfedosin | For the most part, we have concentrated on app catalog. | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | but we made several updates in Glare | 17:33 |
| docaedo | app catalog appreciates that! | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | first one is storing content-type for blobs | 17:34 |
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| mfedosin | it's useful if you work with glare from your browser | 17:34 |
| dshakhray_ | o/ | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | icons are icons and not just octet-stream | 17:34 |
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| mfedosin | also kairat reworked our framework and added default validators to some fields | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | for example by default string length is limited by 255 chars | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | also we found and fixed several small bugs | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | our next steps are integration with app-catalog: OpenID auth middleware, data validation, making Glare to work with Apache and so on | 17:37 |
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| mfedosin | but they are almost all app-catalog related | 17:38 |
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| mfedosin | also we are going to implement dynamic quota checking for artifacts | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | i.e. calculate blob sizes during upload | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | and generate more detailed json-schema | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | that's all for today | 17:39 |
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| mfedosin | let's move on to the main topic. | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | #topic Image Artifact Type | 17:40 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: docaedo: what should we do with that? | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | afaik App-Catalog requires storing images as artifacts | 17:41 |
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| mfedosin | but it's just for cataloging purposes only | 17:41 |
| docaedo | yeah .. I am not sure, I followed that thread on the ML and didn't not have an easy answer | 17:41 |
| docaedo | we can fork, but that creates lots of problems later | 17:42 |
| docaedo | is it just a setting though? | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | yeah | 17:42 |
| docaedo | because regardless of the "confustion" on the mailing list, for our case we are note going to install/manage glance for images and glare for everything else | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | artifact type is a schema | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | but anyway Nova won't be able to boot from it | 17:43 |
| docaedo | then yeah, we use glare for images even though glare can't "officially" hold images | 17:43 |
| docaedo | yeah there's no nova tied to glare in this scenario :) | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | I think Glare can be used for importing/exporting images between clouds | 17:44 |
| nikhil | I don't quite follow this conversation | 17:44 |
| nikhil | it's coming out of nowhere and conflicts with defcore work we've been doing in glare for last 14+ months | 17:44 |
| nikhil | s/doing in glare/doing in glance/ | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | scenario is like: glare downloads image from catalog, put it in the store, after that we create an image in glance and set location on the data in store | 17:45 |
| docaedo | nikhil: the app catalog use case does not conflict with anything, as it's a one-off case where glare is going to be used to catalog all assets | 17:45 |
| nikhil | Let me link the import spec so that it's clear 'why' that API is being discussed | 17:45 |
| nikhil | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/specs/mitaka/approved/image-import/image-import-refactor.html | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: but we were at defcore meeting, and they didn't mind if glare would provide "image" api | 17:46 |
| nikhil | which was this meeting and why wasn't I informed ? | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: I'll send you a link | 17:46 |
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| mfedosin | if image-import refactoring is done users will be able to import images from glare directly | 17:47 |
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| mfedosin | I mean now this work hasn't been started yet | 17:48 |
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| nikhil | defcore, osc, infra and individuals related have asked for a single streamlined API in glance that will allow them to create (import) images in interoperable way. if we have multiple APIs for importing images, this directly conflicts with that spec. | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | so, it's better to use glare to import images in a short term | 17:48 |
| nikhil | the work has been started and is currently being discussed | 17:48 |
| nikhil | there are many blockers from the defore side and that's been clearly communicated in the last glance-defcore sync | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | I think we have to ask for defcore permission | 17:49 |
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| mfedosin | should I send a message in ML? | 17:50 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: this doesn't have anything to do with the app catalog though | 17:50 |
| nikhil | I will find the link and share later | 17:50 |
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| docaedo | mfedosin: app catalog can have any kind of artifact type if feels like having, with no interop concerns :) | 17:50 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: oh gosh no, no emails that will result into more confusion | 17:50 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: okay :) | 17:51 |
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| nikhil | docaedo: that's not a problem, it's about a interoperable images API that defcore can provide to operators and end users based on which ecosystem can be built | 17:51 |
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| nikhil | if there are multiple implementations of the same API (same functionality) (like importing images) | 17:52 |
| nikhil | then foundation and the tc cannot provide any guidance on what needs to be used | 17:52 |
| mfedosin | but images in app-catalog are just abstract artifacts | 17:52 |
| nikhil | this results into broken adoption of the APIs | 17:52 |
| mfedosin | it's not the same functionality | 17:52 |
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| mfedosin | some properties like 'virtual-size' are not there | 17:53 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: may be you can create an etherpad for understanding app-catalog use case for images apis | 17:53 |
| nikhil | ? | 17:53 |
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| docaedo | yeah there is some confusion here, app-catalog is a web site, which will let users download things from it, not something that would be installed with an openstack environment | 17:53 |
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| docaedo | so the app catalog simply plans to use glare as an interface to ingesting assets, cataloging the assets, and letting people choose which ones to download | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | no one ever will be used it to boot vms :) | 17:54 |
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| docaedo | it will not be coupled to any openstack environment, connected to nova, etc. | 17:54 |
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| docaedo | it will present an API, but it's the app-catalog API not the glare API (even though they will be very similar) | 17:54 |
| nikhil | just three things really: 1) why glance isn't sufficient 2) what APIs need to be reimplemented in glare that's not in glance and the difference in those glare-vs-glance APIs 3) how is just app-catalog going to be the sole consumer for these APIs and some details around service catalog, read only things etc | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | if it helps we can call related artifact type "app-catalog-images" | 17:55 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: that makes sense to me | 17:55 |
| nikhil | when we have this information we can add that to the import spec so that osc, infra etc are not confused | 17:55 |
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| docaedo | who is confused? This is not the glare API, it's the app-catalog API, maybe was a mistake to conflate the two in this meeting? | 17:56 |
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| nikhil | so, let me as a simple question: | 17:56 |
| docaedo | (BTW, this kind of conversation is exactly why I was reluctant for a long time to use glare for this rather than working on our own implementation) | 17:56 |
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| docaedo | nikhil: please ask away :) | 17:57 |
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| nikhil | after implementing this stuff: will a regular user be able to GET (or POST) to <endpoint>/glare/images/artifact_id that will go ahead and create an image in the glance DB (or not sure may be glare DB -- which I don't quite get how will be used in IaaS layer) | 17:58 |
| nikhil | ? | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | emmm... everything is possible of course :) | 17:59 |
| nikhil | lol | 17:59 |
| docaedo | nikhil: for me, "regular user" is a user of the app catalog website | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | but I don't think it's required | 17:59 |
| docaedo | nikhil: for other cases, they would not be configured this way, so this use of uploading glance images into glare is unique to the community app catalog AFAIK | 17:59 |
| nikhil | (this is why I was suggesting a service API for glare a month back that will hide all this from regular end user) | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | I mean each artifact type comes with db | 18:00 |
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| nikhil | docaedo: and that's okay with me and exactly what I had suggested a while back | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | by default it's regular artifact db | 18:00 |
| docaedo | nikhil: we have an existing API for the app catalog, and glare will be behind our v2 api | 18:00 |
| nikhil | docaedo: the thing is 'all is possible' type situation which creates confusion | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | okay, sorry, we're out of time | 18:00 |
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| mfedosin | we can continue in openstack-glance | 18:00 |
| docaedo | yeah, probably best to not discuss app catalog stuff too much in this context :) | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| nikhil | ok, mfedosin you can send me the link of the defcore meeting | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 1 18:00:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-08-01-17.31.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-08-01-17.31.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-08-01-17.31.log.html | 18:01 |
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| nikhil | and I will sent the link to the hangout discussion with defcore | 18:01 |
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| dbite | #startmeeting training-labs | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 1 18:02:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_labs' | 18:03 |
| julen | hi dbite | 18:03 |
| dbite | hello | 18:03 |
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| dbite | julen: Lets discuss your patch :) | 18:04 |
| dbite | hopefully Roger joins us soon | 18:04 |
| julen | should we wait for him? | 18:04 |
| dbite | Not sure if he is joining us today. I guess he is busy today :) | 18:06 |
| julen | well.. we can always go on and he reads the logs whenever he joins | 18:07 |
| dbite | #frontend testing | 18:07 |
| dbite | I agree | 18:07 |
| dbite | #topic frontend testing | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "frontend testing (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:07 | |
| julen | by the way... how do you read the log before the meeting is finished? | 18:07 |
| dbite | ohh, there is a link for that, just a second let me fetch it | 18:08 |
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| dbite | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/ | 18:10 |
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| dbite | Anything from your side for this patch? | 18:11 |
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| dbite | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-08-01-18.02.log.txt | 18:11 |
| julen | yes | 18:11 |
| dbite | Sorry, this should be the right link, just hit refresh and it should give you updated logs :) | 18:11 |
| dbite | So, tell me about the patch | 18:11 |
| julen | (I didn't know those files were written on the fly :) ) | 18:12 |
| julen | so... so far so good | 18:12 |
| dbite | Ok, | 18:12 |
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| dbite | Sorry I have been zoned out in the last couple of days. I will review your patch asap (mostly tomorrow :)) | 18:12 |
| julen | for the first steps, the only challenge was to find out the syntax of the POST data to pass either wget or curl | 18:12 |
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| julen | it works fine with test-once.sh or running it directly from anywhere | 18:13 |
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| dbite | Ok, I guess this should technically run independently :) | 18:14 |
| julen | now, the challenge I'm facing is dealing with the javascript part for starting the instance | 18:14 |
| dbite | julen: I have a few nitpicks in there. Ill publish the comments after the meeting. | 18:14 |
| dbite | go on. | 18:14 |
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| julen | so, I took a look to the source code of horizon and I got a little lost when dealing with the javascript part | 18:15 |
| dbite | hmm, the JS code from the browser you mean? | 18:15 |
| julen | my best attempt is commented out at the end of the script I uploaded, if someone wants to take a look... | 18:15 |
| dbite | Or from the repository? | 18:16 |
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| julen | browser | 18:16 |
| rluethi | hey all, sorry for being late, was travelling | 18:16 |
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| dbite | How about keeping the scope of the first commit to just login and confirm that Horizon is working? | 18:16 |
| dbite | rluethi: No worries :) | 18:16 |
| dbite | Good to see you | 18:16 |
| julen | when filling in the data for the instance (name, flavor, network, ...) and clicking in Launch, it submits some post data, but I think it's not enough to be reproduced with wget | 18:17 |
| rluethi | dbite: I agree, I'd be happy to have a limited test, it would have been useful to us before. | 18:17 |
| julen | hi rluethi! :) | 18:17 |
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| rluethi | hi julen, I saw your updated patch. | 18:17 |
| julen | rluethi: thanks for the comments! :) | 18:18 |
| julen | rluethi: and? is it ok now? | 18:18 |
| rluethi | julen: I think it is okay. There are some style issues, but they are not hard requirements. | 18:19 |
| rluethi | julen: for instance, your code doesn't use the standard headers all our other client-side scripts use. | 18:20 |
| julen | rluethi: do you mean, the "source"s? | 18:20 |
| rluethi | julen: our code is also more verbose and tells the user much more about what it is currently doing. | 18:20 |
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| rluethi | julen: yes, and the setopt and all that jazz. | 18:20 |
| rluethi | julen: you hardcode things all the other scripts have in one central config file. | 18:21 |
| * dbite Jazz!!! | 18:21 | |
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| rluethi | dbite: chill, dbite :) | 18:21 |
| dbite | julen: I have added some inline comments for the same. Its better not to hardcode. If the user changes the IP/Subnet then it becomes a nightmare for the user. | 18:21 |
| dbite | rluethi: Yes :) | 18:22 |
| julen | dbite: true, that's a good point | 18:22 |
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| julen | can I put some conditional, so that if the osbash stuff is found, it uses the controller address, and if not, uses 10.0.0.11 by default? | 18:23 |
| rluethi | julen: there's a ton of details I don't want to annoy you with. We try to follow style guides used by other OpenStack projects (devstack, openstack-manuals) to provide a familiar look for other contributors. | 18:23 |
| julen | this would make it more standalone | 18:24 |
| dbite | julen: Nope, you could still make it stand alone without hardcoding | 18:24 |
| julen | rluethi: I would be happy to learn | 18:24 |
| rluethi | julen: it is a test-script for a training-labs specific setup, I am not sure how much being more standalone can actually buy us. | 18:25 |
| dbite | sourcing the configuration files does not create dependencies :) | 18:25 |
| rluethi | julen: for instance, note how we echo what we are about to do, e.g. "Configuring file X.", using that tense, ending with a period. | 18:26 |
| dbite | julen: We should ship this script as a part of training-labs | 18:26 |
| rluethi | julen: these are details, but our scripts are pretty consistent in this regard as well. | 18:26 |
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| julen | I was thinking, of having the possibility of copying the file to the compute1 and executing it from there, without config files. But well.. There's not likely many cases where someone would do that... | 18:27 |
| rluethi | dbite: absolutely, it is a very useful regression test. | 18:27 |
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| rluethi | julen: we should able to run it on the host as well (provided it is Linux or OS X). | 18:27 |
| dbite | julen: Just imagine a real deployment, why would the horizon dashboard be on the same network and accessible from compute node? | 18:27 |
| rluethi | julen: at least I don't see I reason right now why it shouldn't. | 18:28 |
| julen | rluethi: hmm.. never thought about the format of the comments before | 18:28 |
| julen | dbite: good point | 18:28 |
| rluethi | julen: or there is this bit "[ -n "$FOO" && do_something "]; we always use "if [ -n "$FOO" ]; then\n do_something". | 18:29 |
| dbite | rluethi: julen Are you guys satisfied with this? I guess we should take this off over email or docs channel after the meeting :) | 18:29 |
| rluethi | julen: it's not better, it's just a convention to make code look more consistent. | 18:29 |
| rluethi | no issues. | 18:30 |
| rluethi | we can move on. | 18:30 |
| dbite | julen: As of thinking about the JS debugging/understanding, I think we should try to search in the source of horizon's repository over the web console. | 18:30 |
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| dbite | next topic :) | 18:31 |
| julen | rluethi: sure... I just never thought about those things. If you help me spot those little issues, I definitely work on them | 18:31 |
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| dbite | julen: thats part of learning to becoming a pragmatic programmer ;_ | 18:32 |
| dbite | *;) | 18:32 |
| dbite | #topic parser | 18:32 |
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| julen | dbite: I tried with tcpdump and firefox extensions, but didn't manage to find out how it goes | 18:32 |
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| dbite | julen: Ill try to investigate the source of horizon tomorrow in the day and see if we could get some good clues in there :). Also asking the devs directly would save a lot of time. Just shoot an email over openstack-dev ML | 18:33 |
| dbite | rluethi: My apologizes I havent been able to cleanup and push my current local work for the parser. I have full priority for it this week. | 18:34 |
| dbite | rluethi: Lost track of time last week and its already Monday. | 18:34 |
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| rluethi | dbite: great. I pushed a new version of the python port. | 18:34 |
| dbite | :| | 18:34 |
| dbite | rluethi: Awesome, lets move on to python port then | 18:35 |
| dbite | #topic python port | 18:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python port (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:35 | |
| dbite | rluethi: I need to take another look at the python port. Did you manage to do cool git stuff finally? | 18:35 |
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| rluethi | dbite: not sure about "cool", but I nuked the old branch and pushed a new, updated one. | 18:36 |
| rluethi | the port is not done, but it has almost caught up (again) with osbash. | 18:36 |
| dbite | rluethi: -f to the rescue, lets have a pair programming session sometime soon | 18:36 |
| dbite | julen: Ofcourse, Ill invite you too :) | 18:37 |
| julen | dbite: I'm in :) | 18:37 |
| rluethi | dbite: sure | 18:37 |
| dbite | rluethi: Ill link you to a video which explains why it is really important to preserve the history of your source | 18:37 |
| dbite | even if its bad, buggy or there are mistakes in there ... but I am sure you know this already ;) | 18:38 |
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| rluethi | dbite: ...says the guy who kept posting new histories for his PoCs. That's rich coming from you :). | 18:38 |
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| dbite | rluethi: I could be sarcastic ;) ... but its not for the repositories where others are working with me. And ofcourse I am not perfect, I am learning these finer details in the last few months ... | 18:40 |
| dbite | Any interesting updates? | 18:40 |
| rluethi | dbite: I've been busy with the python port and fixing the Windows batch files. That's all. | 18:41 |
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| dbite | rluethi: Ok, lets move on then | 18:44 |
| dbite | #topic any other buisness? | 18:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other buisness? (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:44 | |
| dbite | Anything else? | 18:44 |
| dbite | From my side there are some house keeping/boiler plate work which I will be carrying out this week. | 18:44 |
| dbite | Additionally I have full focus on training labs for the next couple of months. | 18:45 |
| julen | dbite: cool :) | 18:45 |
| rluethi | any progress on the mascot? | 18:45 |
| dbite | rluethi: Not yet. Should take another look, I got lost into different emails for the same :| | 18:46 |
| dbite | I guess, thats the housekeeping work ;) | 18:46 |
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| dbite | rluethi: julen Lets call it a day then :) | 18:47 |
| rluethi | dbite: k | 18:47 |
| dbite | Additionally I plan to start attending the Docs meeting and install guides meeting. | 18:47 |
| julen | dbite: agree | 18:47 |
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| dbite | #endmeeting | 18:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 1 18:47:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:47 |
| dbite | bye guys | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-08-01-18.02.html | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-08-01-18.02.txt | 18:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-08-01-18.02.log.html | 18:48 |
| julen | bye | 18:48 |
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| rluethi | bye | 18:48 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 1 20:01:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:01 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:01 |
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| arunkant | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | It's my first day back from a long vacation | 20:02 |
| redrobot | so I have no idea what's going on | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | unlike the rest of the time when I have mostly no idea what's going on... ;) | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | looks like we have a couple of agenda items | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:03 |
| diazjf | redrobot welcome back! bet Alaska was nice | 20:03 |
| redrobot | diazjf omg, so incredibly beautiful | 20:03 |
| redrobot | crazy expensive though | 20:04 |
| diazjf | redrobot, its on my list! | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | #topic Reviews | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320100/6 | 20:04 |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | also | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343986/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | and also this | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339764/ | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | while we're at it. | 20:05 |
| redrobot | anyone else have stuff that needs reviewing? | 20:05 |
| redrobot | I plan to catch up on reviews in the next few days | 20:05 |
| diazjf | Just https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242635/ for me, its been up for a while | 20:05 |
| arunkant | redrobot: I have couple of reviews are multiple secret store backend...still working on rest of functionality. | 20:07 |
| arunkant | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/multiple-secret-backend | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | cool | 20:10 |
| redrobot | on to the next topic | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | #topic OpenStack Summit presentations | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Summit presentations (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:10 | |
| redrobot | are these up for voting now? | 20:11 |
| diazjf | redrobot, yup voting has opened | 20:11 |
| diazjf | https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/vote-for-speakers/ | 20:11 |
| diazjf | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/vote-for-speakers/ | 20:11 |
| diazjf | you can't actually provide a url to a specific talk, so we are gonna have to search | 20:12 |
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| redrobot | interesting | 20:12 |
| diazjf | I know the following ones: | 20:12 |
| diazjf | Barbican Workshop - Securing the Cloud | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | looks like there's 10 talks if you search for Barbican | 20:13 |
| diazjf | haha yup, maybe we should put them all from us in an etherpad | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | #action everyone go vote for barbican talks | 20:14 |
| redrobot | any other talks / questions about voting? | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:18 |
| redrobot | #topic Midcycle | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 20:18 |
| redrobot | just a reminder that you should be booking travel/hotel for the midcycle | 20:18 |
| diazjf | redrobot, I'm in the process of planning some fun activities. Hopefully all goes as planned its been pretty difficult getting everything together :) | 20:19 |
| * redrobot crosses fingers | 20:19 | |
| diazjf | If not I guess I'm buying a few rounds of shot :p | 20:20 |
| diazjf | shots* | 20:20 |
| redrobot | diazjf haha | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | any more questions/comments regarding the midcycle? | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:24 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:24 |
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| dave-mccowan | what animal did we submit for our mascot? | 20:24 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan :-O ... not sure if anyone submitted one? | 20:24 |
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| diazjf | redrobot, just out of curiosity I googled barbican animal, some weird stuff comes out lol. I hope they don't randomly choose | 20:25 |
| dave-mccowan | the foundation is going to make us stickers, so we should submit one. i don't think they will assign us one. | 20:26 |
| redrobot | ok, any suggestions? | 20:26 |
| redrobot | armadillo was brought up | 20:27 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan redrobot, where can we submit the animal. We decided either a `duck` in memory of Nate. or a komodo dragon since a dragon guards a castle? | 20:27 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan does it have to be a real animal? | 20:28 |
| dave-mccowan | i think the security project took armadillo (or something that looks like one) and keystone took turtle. | 20:28 |
| dave-mccowan | hmm... they said something from "nature". i don't know about fictitious animals. | 20:29 |
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| dave-mccowan | the last suggestions i remember is duck and raven. (ravens live in castles, apparently). | 20:29 |
| diazjf | How about a Naked Mole Rat | 20:30 |
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| dave-mccowan | kimodo dragon might be too close to gecko, when drawn in a cartoon fashion. | 20:30 |
| redrobot | I like raven | 20:32 |
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| dave-mccowan | doh... congress beat us to raven. | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | http://www.openstack.org/project-mascots | 20:32 |
| diazjf | I'd vote on raven. The white ravens look real cool. | 20:32 |
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| diazjf | ohh and monasca already has the water monitor lizard | 20:33 |
| diazjf | sea Urchin? | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | what about a rhyno? | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | I like sea urchin | 20:34 |
| redrobot | looks like we submit 3 and they choose one? | 20:34 |
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| diazjf | Sea Urchin, Rhino, Nake mole rat. They obviously wont pick the 3rd so we get one that we want. | 20:35 |
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| dave-mccowan | i think we can choose one, if they reject it we can try again. | 20:36 |
| redrobot | double negatives are confusing | 20:36 |
| redrobot | Can my mascot be an imaginary animal/feature? | 20:36 |
| redrobot | No. (Dragons, unicorns, centaurs, etc., are excluded.) | 20:36 |
| redrobot | does that mean we can choose dragon? | 20:37 |
| redrobot | because dragons and castles totally belong together | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | also not sure why dragonforce didn't pick a dragon, lol | 20:37 |
| redrobot | *dragonflow | 20:37 |
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| kfarr | doesn't necessarily have to be an animal | 20:38 |
| kfarr | "You can select a mascot from the natural world: animals, plants, fish, birds, or natural features such as a mountain or waterfall." | 20:38 |
| kfarr | http://www.openstack.org/project-mascots | 20:38 |
| dave-mccowan | german shepherd (guard dog)? | 20:39 |
| dave-mccowan | mountain would be good. kind of a natural castle. | 20:39 |
| dave-mccowan | or a cliff | 20:39 |
| redrobot | doberman > german shepherd | 20:40 |
| redrobot | mountain is cool too | 20:40 |
| panatl | rhinoceros beetle | 20:40 |
| diazjf | coral reef | 20:41 |
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| redrobot | hmmm... so many choices | 20:43 |
| redrobot | so little time... | 20:43 |
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| redrobot | #startvote What should our mascot be? Mountain, Sea Urchin, Dragon | 20:45 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: What should our mascot be? Valid vote options are Mountain, Sea, Urchin, Dragon. | 20:45 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:45 |
| redrobot | #vote Dragon | 20:45 |
| diazjf | #vote Urchin | 20:45 |
| redrobot | unless it's not allowed | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | any other votes? | 20:46 |
| redrobot | a tie-breaker at least? | 20:47 |
| panatl | two head dragon | 20:47 |
| panatl | like two tower :) | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | yeah, like a hydra! | 20:47 |
| diazjf | you destroy a Barbican node, 2 new ones rise | 20:48 |
| dave-mccowan | mountain or cliff? | 20:48 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan use #vote Mountain | 20:48 |
| dave-mccowan | #vote Mountain | 20:48 |
| redrobot | trying to be democratic... | 20:48 |
| redrobot | I think we have two votes for dragon | 20:49 |
| redrobot | with 1+ heads | 20:49 |
| redrobot | panatl use #vote Dragon ! | 20:49 |
| redrobot | ftw | 20:49 |
| redrobot | hehe | 20:49 |
| redrobot | kfarr any preference | 20:50 |
| redrobot | ? | 20:50 |
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| diazjf | #vote Dragon | 20:50 |
| redrobot | we only have 10 more minutes left in the meeting | 20:50 |
| diazjf | Bamm tie is broken | 20:50 |
| redrobot | haha | 20:50 |
| kfarr | I don't think dragon is allowed? | 20:50 |
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| diazjf | can we settle on bearded dragon? | 20:51 |
| kfarr | oh nvm | 20:51 |
| kfarr | vote #dragon | 20:51 |
| redrobot | \o/ dragon | 20:51 |
| redrobot | #endvote | 20:51 |
| openstack | Voted on "What should our mascot be?" Results are | 20:51 |
| openstack | Mountain (1): dave-mccowan | 20:51 |
| openstack | Dragon (2): diazjf, redrobot | 20:51 |
| redrobot | yay! | 20:51 |
| kfarr | in the rules, it said no imaginary animals, excluding dragons | 20:51 |
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| redrobot | kfarr yeah, I think that's a double negative, which means dragons are allowed? | 20:52 |
| dave-mccowan | i think we'll have to think of a real animal that looks like a dragon. | 20:52 |
| diazjf | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b9/Bearded_Dragon_showing_beard.jpg | 20:52 |
| kfarr | redrobot yeah :) | 20:52 |
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| panatl | pick scariest lizard (=dragon) | 20:52 |
| dave-mccowan | they gave the example that Komodo Dragon is fine. | 20:52 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan kfarr redrobot, checkout the link above. Thats a cool "real" dragon | 20:53 |
| panatl | ++ komodo dragon | 20:53 |
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| redrobot | ok, we'll try imaginary dragon, but if that's not allowed we'll use komodo dragon | 20:54 |
| diazjf | Komodo dragons are possibly some of the scariest animals ever http://www.badassoftheweek.com/images/106948521692/komododragon1.jpg | 20:55 |
| redrobot | diazjf creepy | 20:56 |
| redrobot | alrighty y'all, I think that's about all we have time for. | 20:56 |
| redrobot | I'll look into this mascot thing | 20:56 |
| redrobot | thanks for coming everyone! | 20:57 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 1 20:57:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-08-01-20.01.html | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-08-01-20.01.txt | 20:57 |
| diazjf | alrighty see y'all next week in Austin! | 20:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-08-01-20.01.log.html | 20:57 |
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| carolbarrett | #startmeeting product working group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 1 21:00:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carolbarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:00 |
| carolbarrett | Hi Folks who is here for the product working group meeting? | 21:00 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:00 |
| carolbarrett | You can find the agenda here: | 21:00 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:00 |
| carolbarrett | Hi KrishR | 21:01 |
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| KrishR | Hi carolbarrett: | 21:01 |
| * MarkBaker here | 21:01 | |
| carolbarrett | Hi Markbaker | 21:01 |
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| Soyeh | Hi Soyeh is here!' | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | Hi Soyeh | 21:02 |
| shamail | Hi everyone | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | Hi Shamail | 21:02 |
| leong | o/ | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | Hi Leong | 21:02 |
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| Soyeh | hi | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | Let's get started | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Upcoming meetings | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | There's a typo on the agenda - it should say 8/8 OpenStack Silicon Valley not 8/1... | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | Is anyone on this call going to be heading to OpenStack Silicon valley and unable to make this call on 8/8? | 21:04 |
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| leong | i'm not going to OpenStack silicon vallye | 21:04 |
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| KrishR | me neither | 21:05 |
| shamail | Not going to OSSV either | 21:05 |
| pchadwick | I'm passing as well | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | I will take silence to mean not going and can attend.. | 21:05 |
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| carolbarrett | Great - we'll keep next week's meeting | 21:05 |
| MarkBaker | I'm not. | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | Then we will cancel 8/22 for our Midcycle | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | and Cancel 9/5 due to Labor Day holiday in US | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | Any questions on any of that? | 21:06 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:06 |
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| carolbarrett | Next topic... | 21:06 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Midcycle Planning | 21:06 |
| MarkBaker | carolbarrett, so we will not meet in NYC 8/22? | 21:06 |
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| carolbarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team#August_1.2C_2016_Product_Team_Meeting_Agenda | 21:06 |
| * MarkBaker missed last weeks call | 21:06 | |
| pchadwick | I think carol means that we won't have the call, instead we meet | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | Markbaker: We will meet in NY for our midcycle, but will not have this call on that day | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick +1 | 21:07 |
| MarkBaker | carolbarrett, got you - thanks | 21:07 |
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| carolbarrett | If you'd click on the etherpad link above, i'd like to talk through the agenda and prework | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | and timing | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | pls look at lines 24-39 in the etherpad | 21:08 |
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| carolbarrett | If you're planning to attend pls add your info to the attendee section starting at linke 3 | 21:08 |
| carolbarrett | meant: line 3 | 21:09 |
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| carolbarrett | User Story owners: is 2 hrs enough time for review and discussion? | 21:09 |
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| Soyeh | I removed my name, as I won't be able to join you | 21:09 |
| pchadwick | carolbarrett: should be | 21:10 |
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| carolbarrett | soyeh: bummer | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett | OK - we'll plan for 2 hrs on that topic | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett | for User Story Workflow - does 2 hrs seem like enough time? | 21:11 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: What do you think? | 21:11 |
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| shamail | I think 2 hours is plenty | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | too much? | 21:13 |
| shamail | It will mainly be a review | 21:13 |
| shamail | Yeah, | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | OK - we'll keep that at 2 hrs | 21:13 |
| shamail | I would recommend starting with 1.5 hours and we can discuss any open questions later | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | I don't think kenny is here, will check with him offline to validate time. | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail: Will there be pre-work for the topic? | 21:14 |
| shamail | Sounds good | 21:14 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick, KrishR: will there be prework for your user stories? | 21:14 |
| shamail | I would like to encourage people to read the wiki as a primer | 21:14 |
| pchadwick | Other than reading the story, no. | 21:14 |
| shamail | So that we can focus on Q&A | 21:14 |
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| carolbarrett | shamail, pchadwick: Can you send an email on the ML for this and include link to most recent info? | 21:15 |
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| pchadwick | +1 | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | Thank you | 21:15 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories | 21:15 |
| shamail | Please read before the midcycle | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | #action shamail, pchadwick send email to ML for midcycle prework directions and links | 21:15 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1, will do | 21:16 |
| carolbarrett | I see lots of activitiy in the etherpad on the Additional Topic | 21:16 |
| carolbarrett | Pls add thoughts/questions on this, but we'll hold off on discussion til the 22nd - OK? | 21:16 |
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| carolbarrett | Are folks interested in going to dinner that night? | 21:17 |
| shamail | I would be carolbarrett | 21:17 |
| leong | fine with me :-) | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | OK - I've added a section in the etherpad for dinner plans. Pls add your name there and we'll figure out where to go | 21:18 |
| carolbarrett | Anything else on midcycle planning? | 21:18 |
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| pchadwick | carolbarrett: assume we are talking about Monday night? | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: yes | 21:19 |
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| pchadwick | lol - was paying attention to the ether pad and missed the original comment. | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | markbaker: are you flying in on Sunday? or Monday? | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | Let's move along... | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Ops Midcycle | 21:21 |
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| carolbarrett | Has anyone seen an agenda for this yet? | 21:22 |
| MarkBaker | carolbarrett, Sun, but I will make it as late as I can to minimise disruption to Sun | 21:22 |
| KrishR | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-meetup | 21:22 |
| shamail | Not yet, I emailed Tom and Matt J. today | 21:22 |
| carolbarrett | markbaker: understand, dinner will be Monday night | 21:22 |
| KrishR | link has the brainstorming | 21:23 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: Thanks. | 21:23 |
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| carolbarrett | I will try to make the 7AM Pacific Ops Meeting on Tuesday | 21:23 |
| carolbarrett | We'll revisit this one next week | 21:23 |
| carolbarrett | moving on | 21:23 |
| carolbarrett | #topic CPL Updates | 21:23 |
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| carolbarrett | KrishR had volunteered to provide a Telemetry update | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | KrishR take it away! | 21:24 |
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| KrishR | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Telemetry_CPL_Update | 21:24 |
| KrishR | summary is not much work on Ceilometer itself | 21:24 |
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| MarkBaker | carolbarrett, in that case count me in | 21:25 |
| KrishR | focus has been on Aodh and the new Panko project | 21:25 |
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| KrishR | Panko = events split-out | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett | markbaker: OK | 21:25 |
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| KrishR | Leong ahs been doing some additional work on scaling exercises using Gnocchi | 21:26 |
| pchadwick | What is the rationale for splitting out events from Ceilometer? | 21:27 |
| KrishR | we'll need more work in Ceilometer itself next cycle to redirect events to Panko | 21:27 |
| leong | to be precise... (not me) the ceilometer core developers are working on some gnocchi integration in my lab :-) | 21:27 |
| KrishR | don't know the full explanation, but the telemetry team has been on the path of breaking up into multiple modules | 21:27 |
| KrishR | to help scaling | 21:28 |
| pchadwick | So, referring to line 14 in the etherpad, if alarms, events, and samples are pulled out of Ceilometer, | 21:28 |
| pchadwick | what's left? | 21:29 |
| KrishR | they've even stopped regular meetings....it's just collaboration on the irc channel | 21:29 |
| KrishR | pchadwick: i guess Ceilometer becomes a "re-director" of sorts? | 21:30 |
| pchadwick | krishr: sounds less than interesting from a customer value. | 21:30 |
| shamail | I think it's just to facilitate collection of metrics? What you do with them and how you store them is being broken out (from collection and each other)? | 21:30 |
| KrishR | shamail: yes, that's correct | 21:31 |
| KrishR | ceilometer will continue to do the polling | 21:31 |
| pchadwick | OK - so Ceilometer collects and then hands off to others. | 21:31 |
| KrishR | yes | 21:32 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:32 |
| pchadwick | OK - thanks. | 21:32 |
| KrishR | ahy other questions? dont have much more to add | 21:32 |
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| pchadwick | krishr: not from me - thanks. | 21:33 |
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| carolbarrett | good discussion | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett | Anyone want to volunteer for next week? | 21:34 |
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| carolbarrett | don't all shout at once! :) | 21:35 |
| shamail | Lol | 21:35 |
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| carolbarrett | We'll come back to that next week.... | 21:35 |
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| carolbarrett | #topic Project Navigator/Show which Distros contain which projects | 21:36 |
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| carolbarrett | shamail: Do you want to take this one? | 21:36 |
| pchadwick | carolbarrett: I already had my 15 minutes of fame. | 21:36 |
| shamail | Sure | 21:36 |
| MarkBaker | carolbarrett, I cuod have a stab at Designate if you like | 21:37 |
| shamail | Can you please add the link from the agenda as well? | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/r.0749ed9d8a670d65c267145350accefa | 21:37 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett | MarkBaker: Thanks - will put you on the agenda for next week. | 21:37 |
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| shamail | We had an ops-tag meeting at the Austin Summit and one of the tags that we discussed adding was to show which services are available in which distributions | 21:38 |
| pchadwick | Is the etherpad locked? | 21:38 |
| shamail | (E.g. list whether or not a package is available for a particular distribution and its status (packaged but not officially supported, experimental, fully supported by the Distro provider, etc.)) | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: It works for me | 21:39 |
| shamail | This is a read only version of the etherpad | 21:39 |
| shamail | The read/write version is available from the ops-midcycle page (under Austin) | 21:39 |
| shamail | We (the ops-tag team) thinks this data would be valuable and make a great addition to the project navigator | 21:40 |
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| shamail | However, this content isn't published in a centralized location so I wanted to ask whether your teams could help us gather and maintain this information? | 21:40 |
| shamail | I would be glad to start an email thread with those that are interested in learning more | 21:41 |
| MarkBaker | shamail, of course | 21:41 |
| shamail | Thanks MarkBaker | 21:41 |
| pchadwick | shamail: yes | 21:41 |
| MarkBaker | shamail, I would add that in our case included does not necessarily mean supported | 21:42 |
| shamail | Thanks! | 21:42 |
| MarkBaker | so you may need to be a little more precise in syntax used | 21:42 |
| shamail | Exactly MarkBaker, we had the DEB packaging team with us and we discussed that at length | 21:42 |
| shamail | We definitely need to work on possibly statuses | 21:42 |
| MarkBaker | i.e Murano is packaged and avaiilable in Ubuntu but we won't support it under SLA | 21:43 |
| shamail | I'll start a separate thread and try to identify participants from additional distributions too | 21:43 |
| shamail | We also have to deal with "tech preview" as well | 21:43 |
| pchadwick | For SUSE, there are likely 4: Deployed supported, deployed tech preview, Supported, packaged | 21:43 |
| * MarkBaker chuckles | 21:44 | |
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| shamail | Supported and Deploy Support were the two we had a hard time distinguishing eloquently | 21:44 |
| shamail | Thanks MarkBaker and pchadwick | 21:45 |
| MarkBaker | and "supported if you pay enough or super strategic but pls don't tell anyone else" | 21:45 |
| shamail | I think that concludes this Topic for now carolbarrett! | 21:45 |
| shamail | Lol MarkBaker | 21:45 |
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| carolbarrett | Thanks Shamail | 21:45 |
| pchadwick | Markbaker; +1 | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Opns | 21:46 |
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| carolbarrett | next up is Opens - I'll come back to the Membership topic if we have no opens | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Opens | 21:46 |
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| * MarkBaker has a topic | 21:46 | |
| carolbarrett | anyone have something to share | 21:46 |
| * shamail does too | 21:46 | |
| carolbarrett | MarkBaker - go ahead | 21:46 |
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| carolbarrett | shamail - you'll be next | 21:47 |
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| MarkBaker | so as many of you know, IBM has launched an Interop challenge with the goal of building a set of workload templates that work cross distribution | 21:47 |
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| pchadwick | yep | 21:48 |
| MarkBaker | The basis of this challenge is to try and address a user need to have workload portability across distributions | 21:48 |
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| MarkBaker | this is a noble goal and I'd like to ask the group if we can write a user journey to articulate this need | 21:49 |
| MarkBaker | and set a roadmap for the likely milestones beyond the initial challenge | 21:49 |
| MarkBaker | thoughts? | 21:49 |
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| shamail | MarkBaker: +1, capturing the multiple layers of considerations for true interop/portability would be good to document/discuss | 21:50 |
| pchadwick | I haven't heard anything since the initial contact from IBM ~a month ago. | 21:50 |
| MarkBaker | if anyone needs background on the initiative then happy to provide link to slides etc.. | 21:50 |
| pchadwick | Has there been follow up? | 21:50 |
| shamail | pchadwick: there was a poll, first meeting is supposed to be this Wednesday at 10A EST | 21:50 |
| MarkBaker | pchadwick, not yet | 21:50 |
| pchadwick | shamail: did not see the poll. | 21:50 |
| shamail | 1400 UTC | 21:50 |
| shamail | I can forward the invite if you didn't get it | 21:50 |
| shamail | Anyone else need it? | 21:51 |
| pchadwick | Thanks - but I have a conflict then. | 21:51 |
| leong | pls forward that to me as well shamail, thanks! | 21:51 |
| pchadwick | I'll if we can cover. | 21:51 |
| shamail | Np | 21:51 |
| pchadwick | Please forward - I'll see if we can cover. | 21:51 |
| MarkBaker | whilst it is possible that driving the interop is beyond the scope of product working group, it would be helpful for us to define the problem at least | 21:51 |
| shamail | Will do leong | 21:51 |
| shamail | Sure thing pchadwick | 21:51 |
| MarkBaker | problem/need | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | MarkBaker +1 | 21:52 |
| leong | +1 markbaker | 21:52 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett | Anything else on this one? | 21:52 |
| leong | AR: to create a user story on distro interop? | 21:52 |
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| MarkBaker | I am happy to work on it, I guess I am looking for help from anyone else interested | 21:52 |
| pchadwick | markbaker: I can help | 21:53 |
| shamail | I'll help MarkBaker, +1 to Leong's suggested AR 🤓 | 21:53 |
| MarkBaker | pchadwick, thanks! | 21:53 |
| MarkBaker | :) | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett | #action Mark Baker, Shamail, others Create a user story on distro interop | 21:53 |
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| carolbarrett | We can touch base on this at the midcycle, maybe over lunch or... | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail: Go with your open | 21:54 |
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| shamail | Can someone get me tickets to Hamilton? | 21:54 |
| shamail | Sorry, I digress. | 21:54 |
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| shamail | I wanted to share a discussion from the dev ML | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | +1 | 21:54 |
| shamail | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/100558.html | 21:54 |
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| shamail | There is a topic about setting community/project wide goals by the TC moving forward | 21:55 |
| leong | i saw that email thread as well | 21:55 |
| MarkBaker | +1 | 21:55 |
| shamail | The initial ones are things that are already in flight but future ones may encompass multiple release efforts | 21:55 |
| * MarkBaker didn't really understand it tho | 21:55 | |
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| shamail | I suggested possibly creating user stories or using the tracker to track progress on the goals | 21:56 |
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| shamail | There seems to be a good opportunity for alignment and for the PWG and SWG to share documentation and tracking techniques :) | 21:56 |
| pchadwick | it seems that the comment at the end is that our user stories don't have a very good "definition of done" | 21:56 |
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| pchadwick | Can we get (or does it make sense) to get the developers to feed that into the stories. | 21:57 |
| shamail | I would agree with that pchadwick | 21:57 |
| shamail | We have usage scenarios but they are looking for implementation-level "done" qualifiers | 21:57 |
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| leong | +! | 21:58 |
| leong | +1 | 21:58 |
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| shamail | In our current workflow, that fits into the implementation plan but that's a good question pchadwick | 21:58 |
| leong | also no "timebound" | 21:58 |
| pchadwick | shamail, I'm not saying it makes sense | 21:58 |
| shamail | What is stopping us from including a final "read out" of the proposed plan and acceptance criteria | 21:58 |
| leong | a goal will not be a goal if there is no timebound associated :) | 21:58 |
| shamail | leong: +1 | 21:58 |
| pchadwick | There is a balance between having something that is readable/usable by the broader community | 21:59 |
| pchadwick | And something that can be put on a Trello card. | 21:59 |
| shamail | The user stories could simply be another artifact describing a goal, the tracker might still be useful though | 21:59 |
| shamail | True pchadwick | 22:00 |
| shamail | I just wanted to share the discussion/topic here in case anyone has a good intersection (or not) between stories and goals | 22:00 |
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| shamail | An open-ended open-topic :) | 22:01 |
| shamail | That's all I had | 22:01 |
| carolbarrett | We can talk about this as part of the workflow topic at our midcycle | 22:01 |
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| shamail | +1 | 22:01 |
| carolbarrett | We're at the top of the hour - thanks everyone for joining | 22:01 |
| carolbarrett | #endmeeting | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 1 22:02:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-08-01-21.00.html | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-08-01-21.00.txt | 22:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-08-01-21.00.log.html | 22:02 |
| shamail | See you next week! | 22:02 |
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| pchadwick | bye | 22:03 |
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