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| devkulkarni1 | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 22 14:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 14:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Roll Call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 14:00 | |
| devkulkarni1 | Devdatta Kulkarni | 14:00 |
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| caowei | caowei | 14:00 |
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| devkulkarni1 | hi caowei | 14:01 |
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| Ablu | hi | 14:01 |
| devkulkarni1 | hi Ablu | 14:01 |
| devkulkarni1 | we have caowei as well | 14:01 |
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| devkulkarni1 | we can get started | 14:02 |
| devkulkarni1 | here is the agenda for today's meeting: | 14:02 |
| devkulkarni1 | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2016-06-22_1400_UTC | 14:02 |
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| devkulkarni1 | #topic Announcements | 14:03 |
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| devkulkarni1 | Webinar on June 29, 2016 http://www.midokura.com/Webinars/ | 14:03 |
| devkulkarni1 | I am doing a Webinar next Wednesday on Solum | 14:03 |
| devkulkarni1 | The webinar series is being run by Midokura | 14:03 |
| devkulkarni1 | Recently they had reached out to me to inquire about possibility doing a Webinar | 14:04 |
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| devkulkarni1 | I think it is for 45 minutes | 14:04 |
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| devkulkarni1 | presentation and demo | 14:05 |
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| devkulkarni1 | I will be working on these this coming week | 14:05 |
| devkulkarni1 | Second announcement is the repeat of our last week's announcement | 14:06 |
| devkulkarni1 | Barcelona summit submissions are now open https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/faq/ | 14:06 |
| devkulkarni1 | •Deadline: July 13, 2016 | 14:06 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ideas —> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-barcelona-2016 | 14:07 |
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| devkulkarni1 | if you want to submit anything for the summit and want to brainstorm/discuss, let me know | 14:07 |
| devkulkarni1 | for the Austin summit we had a presentation selected based on the collaborative work that we did with folks from Wipro | 14:08 |
| devkulkarni1 | Those were the announcements I had | 14:08 |
| devkulkarni1 | Are there announcements/news that you want to share? | 14:09 |
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| Ablu | not from me | 14:09 |
| devkulkarni1 | alright | 14:09 |
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| devkulkarni1 | let me jump over to the topic of patches | 14:10 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Patch Review | 14:10 |
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| devkulkarni1 | Enabling Heat operations upon receiving github trigger | 14:10 |
| devkulkarni1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332253/ | 14:10 |
| devkulkarni1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332155/ | 14:11 |
| devkulkarni1 | Recently I submitted these two patches to address the issue of heat deployment failing on receiving github trigger | 14:11 |
| devkulkarni1 | this bug identifies the issue in detail: https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1594899 | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1594899 in Solum "use-usercreds-in-heat-operations" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Devdatta Kulkarni (devdatta-kulkarni) | 14:12 |
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| devkulkarni1 | Are there any patches that you are working on which you want to discuss with the team? | 14:14 |
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| caowei | I submitted some bug | 14:15 |
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| devkulkarni1 | caowei: can you share the bug link? | 14:15 |
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| devkulkarni1 | I merged one of your patches this morning | 14:16 |
| Ablu | nothing from my side | 14:16 |
| Ablu | i am still setting up my dev environment | 14:16 |
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| devkulkarni1 | ok cool | 14:17 |
| caowei | devkulkarni1: You've seen it all. | 14:17 |
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| caowei | https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1594128 | 14:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1594128 in Solum "image_storage glance not supported with image_format vm" [Undecided,New] | 14:17 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: yes, I have seen that one | 14:17 |
| caowei | https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1595069 | 14:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1595069 in Solum "git clone timeout" [Undecided,New] | 14:18 |
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| devkulkarni1 | btw, I like that you are using launchpad to submit the bugs with detailed stack traces/log messages | 14:19 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: I had not seen this other one. looking | 14:19 |
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| caowei | https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1589365 | 14:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1589365 in Solum "solum app delete fails" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to caowei (caowei-e) | 14:19 |
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| devkulkarni1 | caowei: app delete one should be fixed asap .. I will triage it soon and add comments on what needs to be done to address it | 14:21 |
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| caowei | ok. | 14:22 |
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| devkulkarni1 | caowei: thanks for reporting these bugs | 14:24 |
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| devkulkarni1 | alright, with that I will open the floor for open discussion | 14:24 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Open Discussion | 14:25 |
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| devkulkarni1 | we can discuss any topic that you want to discuss | 14:25 |
| devkulkarni1 | btw, I have one topic | 14:25 |
| devkulkarni1 | just a fyi, I will be taking two weeks off (July 5 - July 20). I will be traveling.. I should have Internet connectivity, so should be able to join irc whenever possible | 14:27 |
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| devkulkarni1 | Our meetings on 6th July and 20th July will be affected as I will be flying on both those days | 14:28 |
| devkulkarni1 | I am going to see if someone else can run our meetings on those days | 14:29 |
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| devkulkarni1 | btw, me being on travel should not affect our openstack submission on July 13th, if we want to submit anything | 14:31 |
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| devkulkarni1 | I would have Internet access, so should be able to work on it if we decide to submit something | 14:32 |
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| devkulkarni1 | hi Sunny | 14:37 |
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| caowei | you have 2 weeks traveling? | 14:39 |
| caowei | cool | 14:40 |
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| devkulkarni1 | caowei: yes, that is correct. :) | 14:40 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: but I should be able to be online as and when possible | 14:40 |
| caowei | great | 14:43 |
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| devkulkarni1 | alright.. looks like we don't have any other topic to discuss in open discussion | 14:44 |
| devkulkarni1 | so I will end the meeting | 14:44 |
| devkulkarni1 | (waiting for a minute) | 14:45 |
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| caowei | I more concerned is https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1594128 | 14:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1594128 in Solum "image_storage glance not supported with image_format vm" [Undecided,New] | 14:46 |
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| devkulkarni1 | caowei: as we were discussing yesterday, it will require some configuration changes to address it | 14:47 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: can you elaborate on your openstack setup? what all openstack services are you running? | 14:48 |
| caowei | no swift | 14:49 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: ok.. is there a possibility for you to run docker registry in your setup? | 14:49 |
| caowei | no docker registry | 14:50 |
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| caowei | there are any other | 14:51 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: is it possible for you to run one in your setup? | 14:51 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: the main issue is the following | 14:51 |
| devkulkarni1 | we need a place to store the application container image and then pass the image location to the VM when it is spun up | 14:52 |
| devkulkarni1 | currently solum supports two storage backends for this purpose | 14:52 |
| devkulkarni1 | swift and docker registry | 14:52 |
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| devkulkarni1 | for docker registry option, it should be possible to use public or private docker registry | 14:53 |
| devkulkarni1 | that's why I am asking if it is possible for you to run a docker registry in your setup? | 14:53 |
| devkulkarni1 | or, if it is possible for you to use the public docker registry (docker hub) | 14:54 |
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| caowei | Can install docker registry | 14:54 |
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| devkulkarni1 | caowei: great | 14:55 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: if that is the case then our problem is much easier | 14:55 |
| devkulkarni1 | I would suggest you to do following: | 14:55 |
| devkulkarni1 | - install and run docker registry in your setup | 14:56 |
| devkulkarni1 | - set image_storage = 'docker_registry' in /etc/solum/solum.conf | 14:56 |
| caowei | that's ok ? | 14:57 |
| devkulkarni1 | - set docker_reg_endpoint = <> in /etc/solum/solum.conf to the IP address of the host where the docker registry is running | 14:57 |
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| devkulkarni1 | caowei: with these two settings, solum will save the application docker container in the docker registry | 14:57 |
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| devkulkarni1 | then at the VM spun up time, heat.py will be able to download the application container from the docker registry | 14:58 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: lets continue discussion in the solum irc channel | 14:58 |
| devkulkarni1 | we are at the end of our meeting time today | 14:59 |
| caowei | ok | 14:59 |
| devkulkarni1 | thanks everyone for joining today | 14:59 |
| devkulkarni1 | see you next week | 14:59 |
| devkulkarni1 | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 22 14:59:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-06-22-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-06-22-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-06-22-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| * haleyb will wait and see if any other distributed neutrinos show up | 15:02 | |
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| anilvenkata | hi | 15:04 |
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| haleyb | anilvenkata: hi. I know swami is out this week so the meeting would be short, but if you have something to discuss i can start it up so it's logged | 15:05 |
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| anilvenkata | haleyb, about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1595043 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1595043 in neutron "Make DVR portbinding implementation useful for HA ports" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to venkata anil (anil-venkata) | 15:05 |
| anilvenkata | and related patches | 15:05 |
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| haleyb | let me start the meeting, don't know if others are here though | 15:06 |
| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:06 |
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| haleyb | It will be a short meeting, let's talk about anilvenkata's reviews | 15:07 |
| haleyb | #topic Open discussion | 15:07 |
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| anilvenkata | can someone review DVR patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324302/ | 15:07 |
| anilvenkata | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323993/ | 15:08 |
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| haleyb | anilvenkata: i had just taken a look at the first in the series, g/#/c/323993/ because of all the ML2 content I was only comfortable with a +1 | 15:08 |
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| anilvenkata | ok, thanks Brian | 15:09 |
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| anilvenkata | kevinbenton, Kevin, can u please review these port binding patches? | 15:09 |
| haleyb | obondarev had comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324302/ i see too | 15:09 |
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| anilvenkata | yes, working on review suggestions | 15:10 |
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| haleyb | i will re-review that once a new patch comes out | 15:10 |
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| anilvenkata | thanks Brian | 15:10 |
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| haleyb | I think both are fine to merge before Andreas' seriers | 15:11 |
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| anilvenkata | yes | 15:11 |
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| anilvenkata | these patches have minor changes and help HA to move to distributed port binding | 15:11 |
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| haleyb | yes, they are not very intrusive | 15:13 |
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| haleyb | anything else to discuss? | 15:15 |
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| haleyb | I will just end the meeting early then and let you get back to work | 15:18 |
| haleyb | #endmeeting | 15:18 |
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| Sukhdev | Time for ML2 meetin | 16:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:01 |
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| yamahata | hello | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
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| andreas_s_ | hi | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_June_22.2C_2016 | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | We could not cover the full agenda last week - so, I brought it forward this week | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | anybody wants to add anything to it? | 16:02 |
| andreas_s_ | I can provide a quick update on the "unify portbinding stuff" | 16:03 |
| andreas_s_ | not much | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s_ : sure | 16:03 |
| rkukura | hi | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | Ironic mid-cycle sprint is going on this week - if anybody cares | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | neutron mid-cycle is planned in middle of July in Ireland | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | anybody has anything else to share with team? | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | OK - lets move along then | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Update on unified binding | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | andreas_s_ : please go ahead | 16:07 |
| andreas_s_ | sure | 16:07 |
| andreas_s_ | talked to rossella_s and ihar regarding ovo | 16:07 |
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| andreas_s_ | the new binding_result object should be implemented as ovo | 16:08 |
| andreas_s_ | that's what I'm currently trying to figure out | 16:08 |
| andreas_s_ | if we get it release in Newton, there's no problem with upgrades | 16:08 |
| andreas_s_ | things like writing to 2 tables in parralell | 16:08 |
| andreas_s_ | this probably will come with Ocata first | 16:09 |
| andreas_s_ | and regarding the discussion with the patches of anilvenkata | 16:09 |
| andreas_s_ | we will continue in parallel | 16:09 |
| rkukura | andreas_s_: what do you mean by “in parallel”? | 16:09 |
| rkukura | Oh, the upgrade stuff, never mind | 16:09 |
| andreas_s_ | andreas_s_, there's not much overhead | 16:09 |
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| andreas_s_ | sorry | 16:09 |
| andreas_s_ | not much conflicting stuff | 16:10 |
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| andreas_s_ | and some core responded on his patchsets that its more important to get the router ha stuff fixed | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s_ : I thought there was some overlap - based upon last week's discussion | 16:10 |
| andreas_s_ | Sukhdev, yes we somehow try to achieve something similar | 16:10 |
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| andreas_s_ | at the moment there are not much conflicts | 16:11 |
| rkukura | My plan had been to unify first, an generalize second, but doing this in reverse may be possible | 16:11 |
| andreas_s_ | those might come when I start touching the dvr pieces | 16:11 |
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| andreas_s_ | but I'm far away from doing so at the moment | 16:11 |
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| andreas_s_ | so what the other patches are doing is mostly renaming a table + renaming the corresponding objects and so on | 16:12 |
| andreas_s_ | there's not much logic or so being implemented | 16:12 |
| anilvenkata | yes, and those patches are blocking for HA | 16:12 |
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| andreas_s_ | and the db rename patch already has already a +2, so I'm confident that it will go in this week or so | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323993/ | 16:14 |
| andreas_s_ | that's it | 16:14 |
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| andreas_s_ | so my next todo is the ovo stuff | 16:14 |
| rkukura | If my -1 is still there, I can re-review if we have an agreement that anilvenkata’s patches make sense to merge before andreas_s_’s | 16:14 |
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| andreas_s_ | rkukura, It's already gone... | 16:15 |
| andreas_s_ | due to a rebase | 16:15 |
| rkukura | andreas_s_: ok, great, but will still try to re-review | 16:15 |
| andreas_s_ | or a minor change | 16:15 |
| andreas_s_ | rkukura, perfect! | 16:15 |
| anilvenkata | commit message update | 16:15 |
| anilvenkata | rkukura, please review | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : I posted the link above - it looks good | 16:16 |
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| rkukura | ok, will try to get to it today | 16:16 |
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| anilvenkata | thanks | 16:16 |
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| andreas_s_ | I'm done! Thanks! | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | Ok - I just gave a +1 as well | 16:17 |
| anilvenkata | thanks | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | Anybody has anything else to discuss on this? | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | So, lets get back to the the items posted by routed network folks | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | the first item is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320657/1/neutron/db/ipam_backend_mixin.py | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | There is a bit of discrepancy which causes tests to fail - | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | I looked at this last week and posted a comment to proceed with the merge - it has already merged | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | but, the question raised in the patch is valid for discussion here in this meeting | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | so, the issue is host Id being Null vs empty string | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | Any openions? | 16:23 |
| rkukura | Seems like a simple bug fix to me. Are there any complications? | 16:23 |
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| andreas_s_ | so this is on the db level? | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | only one question I have - this value is usually passed by external API - | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | and also internally used as well | 16:25 |
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| yamamoto | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181867/ | 16:27 |
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| andreas_s_ | yamamoto, wow | 16:28 |
| yamamoto | i guess we can normalize it earlier. | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | yamamoto: right | 16:29 |
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| Sukhdev | I think similar fix should take care of it - as we can not control what senders send in API - it could be None or ' " | 16:30 |
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| andreas_s_ | Sukhdev, so your're proposing to not change current behavior? | 16:31 |
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| andreas_s_ | and add some code to the api layer to normalize it | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s_ : yes | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s_ : that makes it defensive coding | 16:32 |
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| andreas_s_ | cool | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | I did not see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181867/ - otherwise I would have proposed slightly different fix - | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | anyhow, moving right along - | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Driver API feature requests | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | yamamoto : thanks for keeping track for this | 16:35 |
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| yamamoto | i just happened to remember | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | first one is - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1273730 | 16:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1273730 in neutron "MechanismDriverError hides original exception" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Hong Hui Xiao (xiaohhui) | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | I looked at the patch proposed last week and posted comment - | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317358/5 | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | Do you guys see this on your ML2 drivers as well? | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | I recall some discussion before of allowing subtypes of some exception to bubble up, but hiding random exceptions that might leak from an MD | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : what do you mean by leak? | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | The original thinking was that any random exception might get raised internally by an MD, and that these should not be exposed to normal clients | 16:39 |
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| rkukura | they might give away unintended details about the deployment’s config, for example | 16:39 |
| rkukura | So that’s why they get caught and replaced | 16:40 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : right, that was my understanding as well | 16:41 |
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| rkukura | but there was dicsussion at some point of allowing any exception derived from MechanismDriverError to be returned, so the driver can return specific exceptions if it wants to | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | So, with this patch - it will bubble up all of them | 16:42 |
| rkukura | We actually did exactly this in GBP, which uses a similar model for its policy drivers | 16:42 |
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| yamamoto | i wonder what to do for special exceptions like RetryRequest | 16:43 |
| andreas_s_ | fyi: I opened a bug report for the None vs. '' issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1595250 | 16:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1595250 in neutron "ml2 Use None for portbinding.host instead of an empty String" [Undecided,New] | 16:43 |
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| rkukura | See https://github.com/openstack/group-based-policy/blob/master/gbpservice/neutron/services/grouppolicy/policy_driver_manager.py#L103 | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | andreas_s_: thanks | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | hmm... yamamoto you mean have ML2 plugin retry an operation based upon the exception raised by MD? | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s_ : cool - thanks | 16:44 |
| andreas_s_ | need to leave for today. See you next week | 16:45 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1595250 | 16:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1595250 in neutron "ml2 Use None for portbinding.host instead of an empty String" [Undecided,New] | 16:45 |
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| yamamoto | Sukhdev: not necessarily be ml2, but someone should handle those exceptions properly. | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | yamamoto : are you suggesting a separate bug to deal with that? | 16:48 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I suggest we resolve the exception hiding bug similarly to what is done in the GBP code I linked, but allowing through any exception derived from MechanismDriverError, or maby even Neutron’s base exception, instead of GroupPolicyException (line 121) | 16:48 |
| yamamoto | Sukhdev: i'm just wondering at this point. but probaly it ought to be a separate bug. | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : that is a good suggestion - they are looking for comments from ML2 guys - can you post the comment on the patch? | 16:50 |
| yamamoto | rkukura: does GBP have anything like db retry stuff? | 16:51 |
| rkukura | sure | 16:51 |
| rkukura | I’m not really sure about the DB retry | 16:52 |
| rkukura | But I’m not sure that makes sense from inside an MD- wouldn’t this happen when the transaction around the precommit calls is committed? | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | what DB entry? - you mean the rollback? | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I will suggest this on the patch | 16:54 |
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| yamamoto | i meant RetryRequest DBDeadlock etc | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : thanks - and, regarding your other concern, I think that is covered | 16:55 |
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| Sukhdev | yamamoto : oh I see - If memory serves me right, kevinbenton had done some work to deal with the DBDeadlock stuff a while back | 16:56 |
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| yamamoto | yea, he made api layer handle those exceptions. | 16:57 |
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| yamamoto | it means those exceptions need be propagated to api layer. | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | hmm... I see | 16:58 |
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| rkukura | So the question is whether these exceptions would be raised from within the ML2 MD, and need to be propogated to the API layer | 16:58 |
| yamamoto | replacing them with other exception as ml2 does would interfere the mechanism. | 16:58 |
| yamamoto | rkukura: right | 16:58 |
| rkukura | But I think these exceptions get raised when the transaction is closed, which should be happening in ML2 itself, not in the MD | 16:58 |
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| rkukura | But I’m not certain about this | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | right - this might be worthwhile to look into in the context of this patch - or perhaps a new bug? | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | we could not get to the other three - perhaps we will continue in the next meeting | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | We are out of time - | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks for attending folks - great discussion | 17:00 |
| rkukura | Thanks Sukhdev! | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:00 |
| rkukura | bye | 17:00 |
| yamamoto | bye | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 22 17:01:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-06-22-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-06-22-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-06-22-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
| timsim | #startmeeting designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 22 17:01:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is timsim. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: designate)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| timsim | Hello folks, who's here? | 17:01 |
| rsyed | o/ | 17:01 |
| sonuk_ | o/ | 17:01 |
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| timsim | elarson pglass rsyed james_li benji jmcbride | 17:02 |
| timsim | Kiall, mugsie, and federico3 are unable to join us today | 17:02 |
| timsim | But hopefully mugsie's watch just vibrated during his meeting | 17:02 |
| timsim | #topic Annoucements | 17:02 |
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| timsim | I'm guessing nobody wants to announce anything | 17:03 |
| timsim | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:03 |
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| timsim | I had a bp that I did | 17:03 |
| timsim | #topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:04 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1594951 | 17:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1594951 in Designate "No recordset notifications emitted for nameserver changes" [Undecided,New] | 17:04 |
| timsim | Looks high n2 to me | 17:04 |
| timsim | and that's it lolz | 17:04 |
| timsim | Anyone think differently? | 17:04 |
| pglass | no but i have a new bug | 17:05 |
| pglass | which is the txt length limit of 255 is too small | 17:05 |
| timsim | Did I miss that.. | 17:06 |
| pglass | well i didn't put anything in launchpad | 17:06 |
| pglass | there is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1474012 | 17:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1474012 in Designate "Incorrect length limit for TXT record data" [Medium,Fix committed] - Assigned to Federico Ceratto (federico-ceratto) | 17:06 |
| pglass | but the fix is not really a fix | 17:07 |
| pglass | it just ensures the that designate reject txt records over 255 chars | 17:07 |
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| timsim | Alright, can you file a new bug for that? | 17:07 |
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| elarson | pglass: the bug should probably mention the dB constraints | 17:08 |
| pglass | there shouldn't be db constraints | 17:09 |
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| elarson | rsyed mentioned them the other day | 17:09 |
| pglass | the record data is stored in a text type column | 17:09 |
| pglass | which has arbitrary length | 17:09 |
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| rsyed | yeah elarson i was referring to a different datatype (varchar). didn't realize it was already type text | 17:09 |
| elarson | Ah ok. | 17:09 |
| elarson | Nvmd then! | 17:10 |
| timsim | Alright, moving on | 17:10 |
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| timsim | #topic Stable Backport Triage | 17:10 |
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| timsim | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/521241/ | 17:10 |
| timsim | Probably just a6d7ee9 Fix output of datetime objects in API ? | 17:10 |
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| timsim | That fixed something in this: https://github.com/openstack/designate/commit/7abae80c61f5c6779357c8bcf7e9dcaaa4ed20a3 so it'll need BP to mitaka I believe | 17:11 |
| elarson | +1 | 17:11 |
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| timsim | #action mugsie to bp a6d7ee9 | 17:12 |
| timsim | That's what he gets for not being here | 17:12 |
| elarson | Nice | 17:12 |
| timsim | (and it was his fix) | 17:12 |
| timsim | #topic Open Discussion | 17:12 |
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| mpbnka | I have a bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/different-format-for-ipv4-and-ipv6 which needs a review | 17:12 |
| mpbnka | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322936/ is the spec | 17:13 |
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| elarson | mpbnka: I can take look | 17:13 |
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| mpbnka | I have added all four of you core members in it :) | 17:14 |
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| mpbnka | this will be my first bp so ... | 17:14 |
| timsim | Cool! We'll take a look | 17:14 |
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| elarson | mpbnka: sorry I haven't taken a look yet. I've had other priorities. | 17:14 |
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| mpbnka | np i can understand | 17:15 |
| elarson | I was going to bring up the midcycle, but with mugsie et la out, we can push it until later or at least in irc. | 17:15 |
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| timsim | Yeah for sure, there's some uncertainty there on our part anyway at the moment | 17:16 |
| timsim | For the folks reading later, I proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331853/ as a small change in the powerdns plugin I was running into testing with worker model, it seems so obvious that I must be doing something wrong, but it's a six line diff, take a look. | 17:16 |
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| timsim | Also, worker model is passing the bind9 gates now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283784/, I think the lack of eventlet is causing problems in the powerdns plugin, that's why it's failing those gates. | 17:17 |
| timsim | http://logs.openstack.org/84/283784/22/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-designate-powerdns/4a72e81/logs/screen-designate-worker.txt.gz if you're curious | 17:17 |
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| timsim | Does anyone have anything else they want to talk about? | 17:17 |
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| elarson | Not me | 17:18 |
| timsim | Alright going once... | 17:18 |
| timsim | twice.. | 17:18 |
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| timsim | #endmeeting designate | 17:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 22 17:19:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-06-22-17.01.html | 17:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-06-22-17.01.txt | 17:19 |
| timsim | byeee | 17:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-06-22-17.01.log.html | 17:19 |
| timsim | see you in #openstack-dns | 17:19 |
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| amrith | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 22 18:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
| mvandijk_ | ./ | 18:00 |
| pmalik | 😋/ | 18:00 |
| amrith | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:00 |
| amrith | for the agenda ... | 18:00 |
| amrith | ... i feel like a pretzel ... | 18:01 |
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| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | anyone know where I could get a pretzel? | 18:01 |
| amrith | mvandijk_? | 18:01 |
| cp16net_ | hai | 18:01 |
| mvandijk_ | you will have to speak up | 18:01 |
| mvandijk_ | there is a fire drill | 18:01 |
| vgnbkr | We have a fire alarm in Mississauga, so we might have to leave. | 18:01 |
| johnma | o/ | 18:01 |
| mvandijk_ | i cant hear you over the alarm | 18:01 |
| amrith | MVANDIJK_ WHERE CAN I GET A PRETZEL? | 18:01 |
| amrith | let's give others a minute to come in | 18:02 |
| amrith | SlickNik will not be able to join today, sends his apologies | 18:02 |
| amrith | hi cp16net_ vgnbkr pmalik johnma | 18:02 |
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| johnma | hello Amrith | 18:02 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:03 |
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| amrith | ok, 2m past the hour | 18:03 |
| amrith | let's get started | 18:03 |
| amrith | hi peterstac | 18:03 |
| amrith | #topic Action items from last week's meeting | 18:03 |
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| peterstac | hi amrith, everyone :) | 18:03 |
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| amrith | I did not see any specifically called out in last weeks meeting other than that people should propose mid-cycle talks | 18:04 |
| amrith | I didn't see anyone having done that though ... | 18:04 |
| amrith | Did I miss anything? | 18:04 |
| amrith | ... and thanks to johnma for running the meeting last week ... | 18:04 |
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| amrith | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:05 |
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| amrith | #link http://bit.ly/1VQyg00 | 18:05 |
| amrith | #link https://gist.github.com/amrith/d7525462d2d13f207fe8839f06666e04 | 18:05 |
| amrith | so we had an up-tick in reviews | 18:05 |
| amrith | which was great | 18:05 |
| amrith | there is however still quite a long backlog of things we have to review | 18:05 |
| amrith | the number of open reviews remained largely flat over the week | 18:06 |
| amrith | and the queue grew a bit | 18:06 |
| amrith | earlier today there was some talk on #openstack-trove about reviewing changes | 18:06 |
| amrith | haypo brought it up in the context of the py34 changes | 18:06 |
| amrith | as part of that, I proposed a change for review | 18:07 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/332933 | 18:07 |
| amrith | I'd like to take some time to review that here | 18:07 |
| amrith | and if appropriate see if we can't reach a consensus on it | 18:07 |
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| amrith | stevemar, commented on the review (I'd sent him the link and asked him what keystone did) and I'd asked some others about a couple of other projects | 18:08 |
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| amrith | many projects have some variant of the trove 2 company rule | 18:08 |
| amrith | so let me shut up now and see what others have to say about this ... | 18:08 |
| * stevemar sneaks in and sits in the back | 18:08 | |
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| amrith | stevemar, hello. thanks for your review comments. I made one change you recommended (and not the other). | 18:09 |
| stevemar | ++ | 18:09 |
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| vgnbkr | THe document refers to a single core notifying other reviewers before workflowing it - does that imply that there would need to be one or more +1s from non-core before a single core workflow? | 18:09 |
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| amrith | vgnbkr, I don't believe so | 18:09 |
| amrith | but again, the idea is that we do have active reviewers | 18:10 |
| amrith | (which we do) | 18:10 |
| vgnbkr | So then if there are no other reviews, there would be no notification period? | 18:10 |
| amrith | for some value of active | 18:10 |
| amrith | what I was thinking was something like this ... | 18:11 |
| vgnbkr | Or do you mean reviews in general, not reviewers of that specific change? | 18:11 |
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| amrith | for example, at a trove meeting such as today, i could list a set of changes that I plan to approve on, say friday morning | 18:11 |
| vgnbkr | s/reviews/reviewers/ | 18:11 |
| amrith | that gives everyone a fair warning of my intended action | 18:11 |
| amrith | it sets a time definite | 18:11 |
| amrith | (friday morning) | 18:11 |
| amrith | and barring anyone stepping in and either -1'ing, -2'ing, or making a good case for why more review is required, I would go ahead and make the +A | 18:12 |
| amrith | on Friday morning | 18:12 |
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| amrith | does that answer your question? | 18:12 |
| peterstac | so each core would be expected to submit this 'report' each meeting? | 18:12 |
| vgnbkr | Sure. | 18:13 |
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| pmalik | So I guess it would make sense to have a page on the agenda where all cores could put the reviews for approval. Rather than having each core step up independently? | 18:13 |
| amrith | no, that was just one way of providing a heads-up | 18:13 |
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| amrith | we don't (I don't think) need to make a huge process around it but that's just my thinking | 18:14 |
| johnma | so how the Trove dashboard we have right now help with this. Isnt this what the current dashboard does? | 18:14 |
| amrith | johnma, cp16net, peterstac ? | 18:14 |
| johnma | there is a section that says "Needs Final Approval" | 18:14 |
| cp16net | i think you answered one of my quetsiosn around this | 18:14 |
| johnma | that pretty much is doing what you just described , right | 18:14 |
| cp16net | i'd like to see that it has at least a +1 from other contributors before moving forward with the +A | 18:15 |
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| cp16net | so that at least 2 people looked at it | 18:15 |
| johnma | I kind of agree with cp16net. i would feel more comfortable with atleast 1 +1 and then a core could review and approve it within the timeline process you specified | 18:16 |
| cp16net | yeah thats my thought | 18:16 |
| cp16net | usually its 2 cores | 18:17 |
| johnma | I think the bottomline is 2 cores from the same company policy shouldn't become a bottleneck for all the outstanding reviews | 18:17 |
| cp16net | but removing one of the core votes should still require at least 2 votes | 18:17 |
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| cp16net | others agree with that? | 18:18 |
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| amrith | so, does this sentence meet with everyones approval | 18:19 |
| amrith | "We will however still require that at least one other person review | 18:19 |
| amrith | (and +1 or +2) the change before it can be +A'ed. | 18:19 |
| amrith | " | 18:19 |
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| peterstac | are you suggesting that the two votes (1 core, 1 non-core) have to be from different companies? | 18:19 |
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| amrith | no I am not proposing that | 18:20 |
| peterstac | cp16net ^^ | 18:20 |
| amrith | I don't believe that he is either | 18:20 |
| cp16net | peterstac: i think anyone in the community should be able to be the +1 votes | 18:21 |
| peterstac | sounds good | 18:21 |
| amrith | please see patch set 3 | 18:21 |
| amrith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332933/ | 18:21 |
| amrith | are we all ok with this change as proposed and are we ready to take a vote? | 18:22 |
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| cp16net | i think that sounds fair where some change might be negliected | 18:22 |
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| pmalik | Or, so to clarify. With this single +2 and at least one +1 policy. Do we still have a required waiting period? | 18:22 |
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| pmalik | Or is a patch good to go once it gets these two approvals. | 18:23 |
| pmalik | cp16net, amrith ^^^ | 18:23 |
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| amrith | I would still think it is a good thing if we had it. | 18:23 |
| amrith | that would be my recommendation | 18:23 |
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| amrith | johnma, peterstac, cp16net ? | 18:24 |
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| cp16net | yeah i think if no response from the other cores means they veto their vote given a week | 18:24 |
| johnma | I like a waiting period in place, as long as its not too long a wait | 18:25 |
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| amrith | I think we can all tune this on the fly without having to stipulate the waiting period in hours and minutes in the document :) | 18:26 |
| cp16net | sure | 18:26 |
| cp16net | i think that sounds good to me | 18:26 |
| peterstac | Sounds good. If anyone *really* wants to review a change they can always put a note in gerrit asking for some time | 18:26 |
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| cp16net | exactly | 18:26 |
| cp16net | or file a bug to fix something in it | 18:26 |
| amrith | ok ... let's cast our votes by +1 or +2 on the change | 18:27 |
| cp16net | if it merged | 18:27 |
| amrith | I will wait to hear from SlickNik but if I don't hear anything negative from him on this by the end of the day, I'll +2/+A this change :) | 18:27 |
| cp16net | forgot troveclient | 18:28 |
| amrith | good point, let me add that | 18:28 |
| cp16net | maybe it should be trove-* | 18:28 |
| cp16net | :-P | 18:28 |
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| amrith | ok, I just made that change cp16net | 18:28 |
| amrith | if I don't hear back to the contrary from anyone by end of the day, I will approve this change. | 18:29 |
| peterstac | trove* | 18:29 |
| pmalik | +1 | 18:29 |
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| amrith | ok, let's move on if there are no further comments | 18:29 |
| amrith | ok, moving along | 18:30 |
| amrith | thanks stevemar | 18:30 |
| amrith | #topic Call for topics for mid-cycle | 18:31 |
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| peterstac | One more point, amrith | 18:31 |
| stevemar | amrith: happy to help | 18:31 |
| amrith | stevemar, we're going to discuss hello-deli now if you want to stick around :) | 18:31 |
| amrith | go ahead peterstac | 18:31 |
| peterstac | I assume that the old rules still apply - if we have 2 +2's from different companies we don't have to go through the 'wait' process, right? :) | 18:31 |
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| peterstac | (for approval) | 18:31 |
| amrith | that would be my understanding | 18:32 |
| peterstac | ok, great | 18:32 |
| amrith | do others understand the same thing :) | 18:32 |
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| amrith | #topic Call for topics for mid-cycle | 18:32 |
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| amrith | let's see ... | 18:32 |
| amrith | there's an etherpad for this now | 18:32 |
| amrith | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-trove-midcycle | 18:32 |
| amrith | If you will be attending, there's an eventbrite for it | 18:33 |
| johnma | and for the time being is the wait time - a week ? | 18:33 |
| amrith | #link http://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-trove-ocata-midcycle-tickets-26197358003 | 18:33 |
| amrith | johnma, I hadn't stipulated a wait time ... I'm thinking it should be reasonable and a couple of days was what I had in mine | 18:33 |
| amrith | s/mine/mind/ | 18:33 |
| johnma | sounds good amrith | 18:34 |
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| amrith | so please register | 18:34 |
| amrith | and propose topics | 18:34 |
| amrith | my thanks to johnma for arranging a place for us to meet; at IBM in midtown | 18:34 |
| amrith | address and stuff to follow later | 18:35 |
| amrith | I believe there will be remote connectivity | 18:35 |
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| amrith | and we should be able to get people to participate remotely | 18:35 |
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| amrith | johnma, would you like to add anything... | 18:35 |
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| johnma | nothing more than you already did. I will send the details on remote connectively in the coming weeks | 18:36 |
| amrith | thanks johnma | 18:36 |
| amrith | anything else that people want to add ... | 18:37 |
| amrith | fyi, it is a 2 day mid-cycle | 18:37 |
| amrith | thursday and friday | 18:37 |
| amrith | I know this may mean you have a late night flight out of NYC | 18:37 |
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| amrith | but given that it is 2 days | 18:37 |
| amrith | we can't have a 'light' afternoon on the last day | 18:37 |
| amrith | we may go all the way up to 5pm | 18:37 |
| amrith | so please plan your travel accordingly | 18:38 |
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| amrith | I did check that there are 8pm and 9pm departures out of JFK for both Austin and Toronto :) | 18:38 |
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| amrith | ... anything else re: midcycle ... | 18:39 |
| amrith | I don't have anything else specific on the agenda so let's move straight to open discussion | 18:39 |
| amrith | #topic open discussion | 18:39 |
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| amrith | anyone have anything here? | 18:39 |
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| peterstac | can we add a list of reviews that have +2's? | 18:40 |
| peterstac | :) | 18:40 |
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| amrith | sure | 18:40 |
| pmalik | +1 | 18:40 |
| amrith | go ahead | 18:40 |
| peterstac | There are already quite a few that have been sitting around for several weeks | 18:41 |
| amrith | my starting point would be https://review.openstack.org/#/q/NOT+label:Workflow%253E%253D1+NOT+label:Workflow%253C%253D-1+label:Verified%253E%253D1%252Cjenkins+NOT+owner:self+label:Code-Review%253E%253D2+NOT+label:Code-Review-1+is:mergeable+status:open++%28project:openstack/trove+OR+project:openstack/trove-integration+OR+project:openstack/trove-specs+OR+project:openstack/python-troveclient+OR+project:openstack/trov | 18:41 |
| amrith | e-dashboard%29 | 18:41 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/NOT+label:Workflow%253E%253D1+NOT+label:Workflow%253C%253D-1+label:Verified%253E%253D1%252Cjenkins+NOT+owner:self+label:Code-Review%253E%253D2+NOT+label:Code-Review-1+is:mergeable+status:open++%28project:openstack/trove+OR+project:openstack/trove-integration+OR+project:openstack/trove-specs+OR+project:openstack/python-troveclient+OR+project:openstack/trove-dashboard%29 | 18:41 |
| amrith | from the dashboard | 18:41 |
| peterstac | This is what I look at: | 18:41 |
| peterstac | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?title=Trove+Reviews&Needs+Final+%252B2=%28project:openstack/trove+OR+project:openstack/python-troveclient+OR+project:openstack/trove-integration%29+AND+status:open+NOT+label:Code-Review%253C%253D-2+NOT+label:Workflow%253C%253D-1+label:Verified%253E%253D1%252Cjenkins+label:Code-Review%253E%253D2+limit:50&No+Negative+Feedback=%28project:openstack/trove+OR+project: | 18:41 |
| peterstac | openstack/python-troveclient+OR+project:openstack/trove-integration%29+AND+status:open+NOT+label:Code-Review%253C%253D-1+NOT+label:Workflow%253C%253D-1+label:Verified%253E%253D1%252Cjenkins+limit:50&Ancient+Changes+That+Need+Reviews=%28project:openstack/trove+OR+project:openstack/python-troveclient+OR+project:openstack/trove-integration%29+AND+status:open+NOT+label:Workflow%253C%253D-1+NOT+label:Code-Review%2 | 18:41 |
| peterstac | 53C%253D2+label:Verified%253E%253D1%252Cjenkins+age:2d | 18:41 |
| amrith | as johnma said | 18:41 |
| peterstac | hmm, they don't paste very well | 18:42 |
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| peterstac | It's SlickNik's dashboard from a while back ... | 18:42 |
| vgnbkr | This already has 2 +2s: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326676/ | 18:42 |
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| amrith | I'm inclined to approve the change vgnbkr just mentioned if no one objects; it is only a change in redstack | 18:43 |
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| amrith | johnma, cp16net ? | 18:43 |
| peterstac | How about I post the links in the agenda? | 18:43 |
| peterstac | there's quite a few :) | 18:43 |
| cp16net | +1 | 18:43 |
| johnma | yes amrith, I am good with morgan's change | 18:44 |
| amrith | thx folks, cp16net or johnma you can +A that | 18:44 |
| amrith | i see 3 +2's for a total of +6 | 18:44 |
| cp16net | done | 18:44 |
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| amrith | any others like that which are quick? | 18:44 |
| vgnbkr | cp16net, Thanks. | 18:44 |
| cp16net | vgnbkr: np | 18:45 |
| amrith | are you posting the link now peterstac? | 18:45 |
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| pmalik | This one for instance: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330230/ :) | 18:45 |
| peterstac | I'm adding the review to a section in the current agenda - should be there shortly | 18:45 |
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| amrith | yes, that one that pmalik points to is quite safe | 18:45 |
| amrith | I've tried it out and it didn't bite | 18:46 |
| amrith | it just mocks me everytime I look at it though | 18:46 |
| amrith | ok peterstac post the list | 18:46 |
| amrith | anyone have anything else to discuss | 18:46 |
| amrith | or can we all go and spend the remaining 14m of meeting time doing reviews? | 18:46 |
| amrith | OH: BEFORE I FORGET | 18:47 |
| amrith | what do we want to do about reviews for specs? | 18:47 |
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| amrith | do we want to use the same policy for specs; I think so but want to make sure we all agree. | 18:47 |
| pmalik | This one seems pretty useful and simple as well: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326131/ :P | 18:48 |
| johnma | +1 I thought that was also part of the list of projects mentioned in the review policy change | 18:48 |
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| peterstac | I've added all the reviews that have at least one +2 to the current agenda | 18:49 |
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| peterstac | (maybe in the future we can copy the description too, for clarity - didn't have the time just now :) ) | 18:50 |
| amrith | thanks johnma it was. but I want to make sure that I called it out specifically since there are a bunch of specs sitting there (like hbase) :> | 18:50 |
| amrith | <evil-grin>could someone review the hbase spec</evil-grin> | 18:50 |
| johnma | promise to catch up with all the reviews :) | 18:51 |
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| cp16net | make | 18:53 |
| amrith | ok, sounds like we've got nothing more ... motion to adjourn? | 18:53 |
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| amrith | this is the first time that a motion to adjourn hasn't been accepted :) | 18:55 |
| amrith | johnma, cp16net peterstac can we set the end of the week as the deadline for the reviews that were added to the agenda? | 18:57 |
| peterstac | That's what I put in the agenda item :) | 18:57 |
| amrith | i know, but I'd like to confirm that others agree withit | 18:57 |
| peterstac | ah, ok (I'm adding descriptions as well, almost done) | 18:57 |
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| johnma | there are about 12-13 reviews. lets start with end of week. I havent gone through the list but if we need more time to review, we couldn mention that in the review | 18:59 |
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| amrith | Yup, that's fine | 19:00 |
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| amrith | I think we've outlasted our welcome on this meeting channel | 19:00 |
| amrith | thanks to all who attended and participated | 19:00 |
| amrith | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 22 19:00:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-06-22-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-06-22-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-06-22-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 22 20:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| Frito | O.o | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:00 |
| diltram | o/ | 20:00 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| longstaff | hi | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy! | 20:00 |
| johnsom | I'm back........ Grin | 20:00 |
| diltram | hey | 20:00 |
| fnaval | o/ | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! | 20:00 |
| eezhova | hi | 20:00 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | He's not back... HE'S OURS | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | MUAH HA HA HA HA HA | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Also, mid-cycle planning | 20:01 |
| fnaval | he's to my right! | 20:01 |
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| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-octavia-newton-midcycle | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | He's to my 4:30 | 20:01 |
| blogan | hi | 20:01 |
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| johnsom | Please update with your attendance, etc. | 20:01 |
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| * johnsom Waves to people | 20:01 | |
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| Frito | he's to my that-a-way | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | also make sure to note if you can't physically attend but want to be on a conference | 20:02 |
| TrevorV | we can set that up here at Rax | 20:02 |
| johnsom | Any other announcements? | 20:02 |
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| dougwig | have we finalized which days? | 20:02 |
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| TrevorV | dougwig its marked in the etherpad and everything man! | 20:02 |
| johnsom | I plan to be there for Monday through sometime Friday. I see we added a section about maybe less days. | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | (said in "The Dude"'s voice) | 20:03 |
| johnsom | That probably means: dougwig can't stand to look at us for a full week. | 20:03 |
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| blogan | i think its the other way around | 20:04 |
| johnsom | Do we need a vote? | 20:04 |
| johnsom | grin | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:04 |
| TrevorV | I'm not against having the space available for the week, but us calling it a 4-day | 20:04 |
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| dougwig | it just says 'week of', with some debate. | 20:04 |
| johnsom | Other folks traveling, sbalukoff, any comments on how many days? | 20:05 |
| Frito | always better to reserve and not need vs not reserve and need. That's just my $0.02 | 20:05 |
| dougwig | i'll be there mon-thu night, regardless of what y'all decide, because i've learned i'm too much of a grouch on the 5th day. not fit company for man nor beast. | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | +1 on dougwig being intolerable by the 5th day. | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | ;) | 20:05 |
| rm_work | I think Friday usually ends up kinda minimally useful | 20:05 |
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| johnsom | Oye, that isn't exactly what I meant, but ok.... | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | And actually, I think productivity that last day is always pretty waning anyway | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | Yeah, we end up spending the morning touching up some reviews, and then everyone bailing after lunch anyway | 20:06 |
| rm_work | Maybe Mon-Thurs with Monday as a kind of "get everyone set up and started" day, and Tues-Thurs the real work days | 20:06 |
| TrevorV | So I think that's fine, we'll call it 4 days | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | But I'm all for working Monday -> Thurs (and possibly part of Friday, eh.) | 20:06 |
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| rm_work | yeah and we'll have the room Friday for stragglers :P | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | Sounds good. | 20:06 |
| TrevorV | Yeah, sounds good to me. | 20:06 |
| xgerman | o/ | 20:06 |
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| johnsom | Yep, works for me too. I will likely have to leave mid-day Friday myself. | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | Yep, gotta catch a flight back home. | 20:07 |
| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports / bugs needing review (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:08 | |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306084 | 20:08 |
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| TrevorV | I need eyes on this | 20:08 |
| TrevorV | its ready | 20:08 |
| johnsom | How are things going? I have started doing reviews again. Lots of good stuff going on! | 20:08 |
| johnsom | "its ready" == ready to -2? | 20:08 |
| johnsom | JK | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | I'm still being diverted by internal stuff and recovery from surgery, so wasn't able to get to many reviews this week; Probably won't get to many this week either. :/ | 20:09 |
| dougwig | TrevorV: looks like it just passed my CI, which is what i was waiting for to review it. | 20:09 |
| johnsom | TrevorV It looks like sbalukoff has a comment to attend to on that | 20:09 |
| johnsom | Anything else? | 20:10 |
| eezhova | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310490/ | 20:10 |
| fnaval | mostly working on ineternal stuff; I still a few open reviews that needs to be looked at | 20:10 |
| TrevorV | johnsom I just noticed. | 20:10 |
| fnaval | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306083/ | 20:10 |
| TrevorV | I'll tinker | 20:10 |
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| sbalukoff | That's because I'm a jerk. | 20:10 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: default rise is 2, fall is 3 | 20:10 |
| rm_work | for HAProxy | 20:10 |
| fnaval | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308091/ | 20:10 |
| johnsom | Thanks eezhova | 20:10 |
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| rm_work | just a note | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Oh? Ok-- we should probably do that, then. | 20:11 |
| Frito | I've been mainly working on internal again, lol | 20:11 |
| rm_work | I'll post that note on the CR | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Sounds good. | 20:11 |
| blogan | eezhova: done! | 20:11 |
| johnsom | Ok, I will be spinning up the review engine over the next week, so hopefully get our velocity back up. | 20:12 |
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| sbalukoff | Yay! | 20:12 |
| eezhova | blogan, thanks! | 20:12 |
| johnsom | #topic Should amphorae be rebootable? | 20:12 |
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| johnsom | Not sure who added this, but good topic | 20:12 |
| johnsom | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1517290 | 20:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1517290 in octavia "Not able to ssh to amphora or curl the vip after rebooting" [High,Opinion] | 20:12 |
| blogan | why does it need rebooting in the first place? | 20:12 |
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| rm_work | I added it | 20:13 |
| rm_work | I think the answer is no | 20:13 |
| johnsom | I agree with the cattle mentality here, but I have also attempted to maintain reboot functionality. | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | My thought is: "No, amphorae should not be rebootable." | 20:13 |
| rm_work | but, we just need to make a decision so i can kill the bug or not | 20:13 |
| johnsom | It actually was a huge pain for network namespaces. | 20:13 |
| blogan | what are the cases a reboot is absolutely needed though? | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Can you think of a reason why we'd want to allow rebooting of amphorae? | 20:13 |
| diltram | plus without reboot we're able to use some system like tiny core linux | 20:14 |
| johnsom | We should make a policy call on this. At least to remove my guilt. grin | 20:14 |
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| sbalukoff | diltram: +1 | 20:14 |
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| johnsom | diltram Not sure how that makes a difference with tiny core linux.... | 20:14 |
| rm_work | yeah, i'm about to be dealing with minifying the amp image, so i don't want to have to deal with this :P | 20:14 |
| dougwig | you always have your amps on UPS's, huh? | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Shall we vote on it? ;) Seriously, though, I've not heard any compelling arguments for needing to be able to reboot in any case. | 20:14 |
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| blogan | it probably depends on what the amp is | 20:15 |
| johnsom | I was leaving it functional mostly thinking of the situation where an amp could reboot faster than our health check timeout, thus reducing nova churn | 20:15 |
| dougwig | what happens if the hypervisors bounces? downtime while we decide its dead and spin up another? is that faster than just letting it boot? | 20:15 |
| rm_work | I mean, if an amp goes down to reboot, it should probably just failover anyway | 20:15 |
| diltram | johnsom: TCL is a ram based system, you need to really run command to sync data on disk and create configuration to save data on storage | 20:15 |
| blogan | if someone writes a hardware amp driver, then they'd have to support it | 20:15 |
| rm_work | hmm | 20:15 |
| blogan | but since we only support VMs right now... | 20:15 |
| rm_work | that's an interesting point i guess dougwig <_< | 20:15 |
| rm_work | because that happens | 20:16 |
| TrevorV | I think I have a better question, what's the *harm* in letting it reboot? | 20:16 |
| rm_work | rarely, but imagine having to apply a Xen patch for an XSA and then ... | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | Well, also consider that SSL keys are supposed to be on RAM only on amphorae. They'd be gone after a reboot. | 20:16 |
| TrevorV | ^^ that | 20:16 |
| rm_work | hmm yeah that was in our design but never completed | 20:16 |
| TrevorV | That's a downside | 20:16 |
| xgerman | if we reboot are we taking it out of health? | 20:17 |
| rm_work | and I'm not sure if we actually decided to worry about that | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | We should complete that. It's better security. :/ | 20:17 |
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| rm_work | depends on the monitoring frequency | 20:17 |
| xgerman | Also if we failover and it comes back can we account for that | 20:17 |
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| rm_work | well if we failover it, we'll nova-delete it | 20:17 |
| johnsom | I also have the question if anyone has tried this recently? I think I have rebooted and sshed in without issue during namespace testing. | 20:17 |
| diltram | there is too many corner cases to cover when we're allowing to reboot | 20:17 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | I'm strongly against allowing amphorae reboots. | 20:18 |
| diltram | +1 | 20:18 |
| xgerman | we can always not support it and tell people YMMV | 20:18 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: i'm not sure even just RAM is enough on a shared hypervisor. we're in smoke and mirrors land without a soft HSM involved. | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | Unless someone can come up with a really compelling reason to go to the trouble of allowing them. | 20:18 |
| blogan | depends on the amp driver doesn't it? | 20:18 |
| johnsom | dougwig yeah, it was encrypted ram volume, but yeah, without HSM it "would" be possible. | 20:19 |
| rm_work | i mean, I feel like dougwig's point is valid, it'd be scary if we had to bounce every hypervisor momentarily for a security patch and that meant forced cycling 100% of amps | 20:19 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: Well, RAM is still probably better than non-volatile storage-- at least its apparent then that it's not suppose to be written to non-volatile storage (even if the back-end does this without our say-so.) | 20:19 |
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| xgerman | rm_work those bounces are done by first migrating vms, then bounce, etc. | 20:19 |
| johnsom | I think it depends on the amp image actually. Octavia doesn't care today. It is either up or not, based on the health monitoring. | 20:19 |
| rm_work | hmm yeah i guess i don't actually have experience with doing it | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Yep. This is a known (and solved) problem in the could. | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | cloud. | 20:20 |
| xgerman | I think people would stop paying you if you start rebooting vms randomly | 20:20 |
| rm_work | well i just remember my servers were "rebooted" when that happened | 20:20 |
| rm_work | but, i guess it was from the original migration | 20:20 |
| dougwig | one example of a simple seeming decision like this that SUCKS for operators is cinder... have you ever tried to reboot a cinder-volume server? no? enjoy finding all the related instances and pausing them first. it's a nightmare. | 20:20 |
| johnsom | So, before we go too far here, I think we should test this bug to validate. | 20:20 |
| dougwig | but the ssl key argument does have some validity. | 20:20 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Because block storage is ugly in a cloud. | 20:21 |
| xgerman | also in the world of containers you won’t need to reboot | 20:21 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff +1 | 20:21 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: what part of openstack is not ugly, and don't we exist to make it less ugly? | 20:21 |
| xgerman | also if you don’t like cinder I can put you in touch with people who sell storage | 20:21 |
| rm_work | ok so then we can't actually close this bug yet? T_T | 20:22 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: True enough. But some parts are just always going to be ugly. Doing block storage (ie. using a very, very old interface to storage because you can't be bothered to update your damned legacy application) is always going to be ugly.) | 20:22 |
| rm_work | are we actually agreeing to test this before officially taking a vote, to see if we can avoid taking a vote? :P | 20:22 |
| johnsom | I would like someone to try it and either mark it invalid or an confirmed | 20:23 |
| johnsom | Yes, basically. | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | Again, I think we should just make a policy decision that amphorae are not rebooted, and go with that until someone comes up with a really compelling case to do it. (Compelling enough to revisit code that depends on not allowing reboot functionality.) | 20:23 |
| johnsom | If we decide to not support reboots, we should open a bug to make the amp NOT come back up to enforce that decission. | 20:24 |
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| johnsom | sbalukoff So not churning nova isn't a basic enough reason to maintain reboot capability? This just seems like one of those we will come back and wish we didn't make the decision. | 20:25 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: Realistically, which cases are you worried about churning nova in? | 20:25 |
| johnsom | If an amp could come up before we health fail it over. It saves a nova boot, etc. | 20:26 |
| dougwig | since the meat of the argument here is around SSL termination security issues, what is the ratio of ssl termination to not in you big operators VIPs ? | 20:26 |
| xgerman | but that is highly YMMV | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: But I mean: That's still a service disruption even if it's smaller than your health check thresholds. | 20:26 |
| johnsom | Agreed, just exploring the issue. | 20:27 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff Not in Act/stndby or act/act | 20:27 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: Right, but why would you need to do that reboot in the first place? | 20:27 |
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| johnsom | sbalukoff I don't have a "need". reboots happen | 20:28 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: Yeah, but then I suspect you'd want to detect that it happened. Seeing the amphora get recycled is a good indicator that something hiccupped there. | 20:28 |
| dougwig | that's a stretch. :) | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: What is? | 20:29 |
| dougwig | that a cycle amp is a feature that provides notification. | 20:29 |
| dougwig | /cycle/cycled/ | 20:29 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: Right. But then, random reboots that are "normal" is also a stretch. :P | 20:29 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff I don't disagree that you would like to know it happened, but that is different about how the situation resolves itself. | 20:29 |
| perelman | hi | 20:29 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: touche. | 20:30 |
| johnsom | I guess I still have a certain public cloud nightmare about nova issues | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff so you're saying its better to have random failovers than random reboots? | 20:30 |
| johnsom | queues full and instance issues. | 20:30 |
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| johnsom | I perelman | 20:30 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Probably, yes. | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | I can't say I agree there sbalukoff , especially when you increase frequency of either event. | 20:31 |
| TrevorV | I think I'd rather have 100 reboots of an amphora than 100 failovers | 20:31 |
| johnsom | Hmmm. Ok, so we can vote or we can test and potentially kick the can.... | 20:31 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: If your reboot / failover frequency is that high, you've got some serious other problems. | 20:31 |
| TrevorV | Right, but the failover frequency is much much more taxing to other systems and provides potentially more down-time than just the reboots | 20:32 |
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| TrevorV | and is just as detectable | 20:32 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff I don't disagree. However that issue was resolved in a different way.... | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: If you've got a piece of faulty hardware that keeps rebooting amphora VMs, it's better that the instance get failed over to some other hardware host the very first time. | 20:32 |
| rm_work | if i saw that some VM rebooted 100 times, i'd think "ok that VM is busted", IF i even noticed (how would I notice?) | 20:32 |
| johnsom | TrevorV +1 | 20:32 |
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| TrevorV | sbalukoff My argument there is if the faulty hardware is the cause, a failover event would be issued before the amphora came back online from a reboot anyway | 20:32 |
| johnsom | Ok. Let's hold this discussion here. I will try to test by next week. Then we can do a vote if it is an issue now. Work? | 20:33 |
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| TrevorV | Sounds good. | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Uh... that argument goes against the idea the reboots would take less than the health check interval. You've got no reason to assume that. | 20:33 |
| rm_work | if I saw that an amp cycled 100 times, i'd think "oh shit" | 20:33 |
| rm_work | and it'd be easier to see, I think | 20:33 |
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| TrevorV | No, sbalukoff the reboots of an amphora are less taxing than failing over, that's what I said, not a check interval | 20:34 |
| johnsom | I want to leave some time for other discussions (and catch a shuttle in 30 if I can) | 20:34 |
| xgerman | now as everybody has their paintbrush are there other sheds in need of coloring | 20:34 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 20:34 |
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| sbalukoff | Sorry, I meant to say that when you say "if the faulty hardware is the cause, a failover event would be issued before the amphora came back online from a reboot anyway"-- that's a faulty argument. You have no reason to believe faulty hardware wouldn't reboot quickly. | 20:35 |
| dougwig | an ubuntu reboot is like 5 seconds. i know a nova spawn and orchestrate is longer. | 20:35 |
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| johnsom | dougwig +1 | 20:35 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 20:35 |
| xgerman | also I will skip next week’s meeting… | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff I'll concede that, I was just considering that lets say a server in a rack was having issues, its unlikely that everything comes back up super quickly, but you're right, I don't know that 100% | 20:36 |
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| sbalukoff | TrevorV: And my argument that is if you're having random reboot problems, that if faulty hardware is the cause (or faulty software, like an improperly-set-up compute node), then it's better to get off that host the first time anyway. | 20:37 |
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| TrevorV | sbalukoff but do we have the logic that failover will definitely choose a different host? | 20:37 |
| TrevorV | What if it fails over to the same host constantly? | 20:37 |
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| sbalukoff | I guess the core of my argument is that random reboots should be a relatively rare occurrence. If not, your cloud is already having serious problems anyway. | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: I'm assuming you have a cloud that is somewhat large. And therefore, it's unlikely to be re-issued to the same host. | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | Only large clouds are going to need to worry about nova scheduler bottlenecks and whatnot when you have a lot of failovers near the same time. :/ | 20:38 |
| johnsom | I'm more worried about software issues than hardware. Memory leaks, kernel panics, etc. in the amp. | 20:38 |
| johnsom | Yes, yes, shame on us, I know, but "stuff happens" | 20:38 |
| johnsom | These are fast reboot situations | 20:39 |
| xgerman | reboots are very concentrated on vms | 20:39 |
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| xgerman | container wouldn’t reboot and not sure what we would do with hardware | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: What do you mean? | 20:39 |
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| dougwig | hardware wouldn't have 'amps'. | 20:39 |
| xgerman | well, for generalizations sake I would just not allow reboots | 20:39 |
| blogan | so can i argue that a nova instance being deleted is not going to happen very often adn we shouldn't solve for that case? | 20:39 |
| blogan | and if it does get deleted by an admin there are other serious problems? | 20:39 |
| * johnsom glares at blogan | 20:39 | |
| TrevorV | blogan nova instances are deleted every time a failover happens | 20:40 |
| TrevorV | But not every time a reboot would happen | 20:40 |
| TrevorV | hence my tax comment | 20:40 |
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| blogan | TrevorV: i'm alluding to a specific bug we've discussed before | 20:40 |
| johnsom | blogan is referencing the failover flow issue with deleted instances | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:40 |
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| blogan | same arguments are being made for this that i made for not handling that case | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | In a real production scenario, then yes, I would anticipate that deliberate deletions of amphorae by administrators is going to be a relatively rare occurrence. | 20:41 |
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| blogan | they're not apples to apples though | 20:41 |
| johnsom | They are not | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | Hell, on our blocks load balancer product (that a good portion of Octavia was modeled after) we have instances that are still running continuously for 4 years... | 20:41 |
| xgerman | nope, but if an operator wants to reboot they can deactivate health monitoring, reboot, and be back on their merry way | 20:42 |
| TrevorV | Alright, well then, I concede to having a test and a decision next week. | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | (They probably shouldn't be, but I'm not in charge of applying security updates, etc. on them anymore. ;) ) | 20:42 |
| johnsom | To me it comes down to layers of resiliency. "stuff happens" and I would like clean, efficient ways to deal with those situations that minimize the impact. | 20:42 |
| TrevorV | Its not like its keeping us from doing anything if that testing is done, right? | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: +1 | 20:42 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: are those 4 years instances running on IBM hardware? | 20:42 |
| xgerman | HP probably :-) | 20:42 |
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| dougwig | sbalukoff: and how are those instances not vulnerable to about 8 dozen openssl bugs by now? | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Nope. Which means they're going down soon in any case because the Blue Box datacenters are being phased out. ;) | 20:42 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: No comment. ;) | 20:43 |
| dougwig | lol | 20:43 |
| johnsom | wow... | 20:43 |
| johnsom | Ok, any other topics for today? | 20:43 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff http://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/2015/09/19/635782305346788765-336606072_2905279.jpg | 20:44 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: Actually, we'd typically patch the libraries and restart haproxy. This doesn't require a reboot. | 20:44 |
| dougwig | good that you threw that in the logs there to cover yourself. | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:44 |
| johnsom | Ok, going once..... | 20:45 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks folks! | 20:45 |
| johnsom | Awesome. Thanks for joining! | 20:45 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 20:45 |
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| diltram | cu | 20:45 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 22 20:45:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-06-22-20.00.html | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-06-22-20.00.txt | 20:45 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-06-22-20.00.log.html | 20:45 |
| fnaval | thanks! | 20:46 |
| xgerman | o/ | 20:46 |
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| blogan | adios | 20:46 |
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| TrevorV | geegee! | 20:46 |
| Frito | laters | 20:46 |
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| rm_mobile | O/ | 20:46 |
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