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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 14:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| doffm | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | Good crowd today | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | I'm a little unprepared, as I was out most of last week | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | No one updated the agenda, so we'll have to wing it | 14:01 |
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| alex_xu | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | Is there anything to discuss regarding specs? | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | so spec freeze happened last week | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we have a good list of the priority spec we still want to happen? | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess the etherpad covers some of that | 14:02 |
| * bauzas waves | 14:02 | |
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| bauzas | I think we possibly need to amend some already approved specs | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | plus the allocations sepc | 14:03 |
| bauzas | spec | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:03 |
| bauzas | given what jaypipes wrote | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | to clarify how the RT is updating its stats | 14:03 |
| bauzas | well, I should abandon the wording "stats" | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I'm almost done with the amend to the generic-resource-pools spec. | 14:03 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: coolness ++ | 14:03 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: thanks for the nice catch-up email btw., nice to dig into it | 14:04 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: anything you need to discuss/clarify here? | 14:04 |
| bauzas | so, I was saying there is a major implementation change (not really a design modification) about how the RT is sending its inventories | 14:04 |
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| bauzas | see the tl;dr in jaypipes's email of this morning/afternoon/<pick your TZ> | 14:05 |
| bauzas | plus some cdent's open question about which interface we should use for that | 14:05 |
| bauzas | (I just gave MHO to that) | 14:06 |
| cdent | Yeah, my comments there are trying to draw out people's opinions, get things clarified, etc | 14:07 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: no, just that the resource-providers-allocations spec will basically be overhauled. | 14:07 |
| alaski | o/ | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | jaypipes: is it going to be a new gerrit patchset? | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: since we will not try to do the migration in the Instance objects themselves but instead rely on a duplicate call to the placement API from the resource tracker to add allocation information via the placement API. | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | mlavalle: talking about the spec :) | 14:07 |
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| jaypipes | mlavalle: but yes, it will likely be a new patchset. | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | jaypipes: thatnks, that is what I meant | 14:08 |
| edleafe | OK, thanks. We can continue discussion on the ML | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | #topic Reviews | 14:09 |
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| edleafe | Anyone have anything to bring up about code reviews? | 14:09 |
| bauzas | well, reviews, I'm a bit on-hold now :) | 14:09 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: cdent: so AFAICS, there is a patch series starting with the Allocation object that ends up with us having a new placement endpoint, correct? | 14:10 |
| cdent | bauzas: s/endpoint/service/ | 14:10 |
| cdent | but yes | 14:10 |
| cdent | and much of it needs to be -W, because of the stuff we've talked about earlier today and late last week | 14:10 |
| cdent | but some of it is still stable | 14:10 |
| bauzas | well, I don't think that would be a lot impacted | 14:11 |
| cdent | later today I'm going to extract the stable bits | 14:11 |
| bauzas | we can still merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282442/ | 14:11 |
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| cdent | bauzas: no, that one is wrong too | 14:11 |
| cdent | will mark it -w now | 14:11 |
| bauzas | and then, I could see how we would end-up with us having that new endpoint | 14:11 |
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| cdent | actually I can't, wil -1 it | 14:11 |
| bauzas | cdent: why so ? | 14:11 |
| bauzas | oh | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: well, what we've come up with is a plan to put most methods on the ResourceProvider object itself. | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | bauza, edleafe: for instance, have a ResourceProvider.update_inventory() method and a ResourceProvider.associate_aggregate() call, etc. | 14:12 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: okay, I guess it's what I haven't read yet in your summary email :) | 14:12 |
| bauzas | gotcha | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: no, that was a conversation I had with cdent *after* I sent my email. :) | 14:12 |
| bauzas | graaaah | 14:13 |
| bauzas | I officially state here that I have free time for helping you :) | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: will send another ML post after finalize that decision with dansmith | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: understood. | 14:13 |
| bauzas | so, just lemme know so I could bite a bit of that big cake :) | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: will need your review help this week more than anything else. | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: also... | 14:14 |
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| bauzas | (still waiting about what the supreme secret of the universe being...) | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | edleafe, bauzas: I have changed the REST API from /resource_pools to /resource_providers to standardize the terminology used. from last week's discussion with the Ironic team folks, it was clear the terminology was inconsistent and confusing. | 14:14 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: k, wfm | 14:15 |
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| edleafe | yeah, makes sense | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: cdent: one thing is confusing me, do we need a new endpoint or a new *service* ? | 14:16 |
| bauzas | ie. a new port ? | 14:16 |
| cdent | bauzas: it's been described as a new port from the start, to enable later extraction | 14:16 |
| bauzas | I mean, the more can do the less, but that mostly impacts a lot of ops | 14:16 |
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| cdent | and at midcycle when we decided new, port we also decided "use less of nova wsgi architecture" | 14:17 |
| bauzas | we can still have a totally separate branch that would be behind a single endpoint, without requiring a new service | 14:17 |
| bauzas | cdent: sure, but you know that every new service we create is just a clear PITA for packagers and ops running our infra ? | 14:17 |
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| cdent | That may be, but we decided this back in January. | 14:18 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: it's a new service. | 14:18 |
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| cdent | That was one of the few things we agreed on. | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | cdent: in Bristol ? I should have been sleeping by then :) | 14:18 |
| cdent | You snooze you loose :) | 14:19 |
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| dansmith | jaypipes: by service you mean a new thing in the catalog and a new port? | 14:19 |
| dansmith | long term that's certainly the expectation, but not sure we need to do that _now_ | 14:19 |
| dansmith | we can, of course, but.. | 14:19 |
| bauzas | dansmith: my point, thanks for clarifying | 14:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the alternative is not use the service catalog for now and a CONF value instead? | 14:20 |
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| cdent | At the time, the fear was that if we didn't do it from the outset, then we would have to maintain the halfway-way forever. | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | or find it relative to nova? | 14:20 |
| cdent | So it would be better to do a clean bit of newness. | 14:20 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I'm fine with having the placement API behind a separate endpoint, that's what we agreed | 14:21 |
| dansmith | I guess I'm a bit afraid to commit to a new thing in the catalog and a new port at the moment | 14:21 |
| bauzas | I'm only concerned by having a new n-something with a dedicated port | 14:21 |
| dansmith | the nice thing is it means we don't have to add rpc from the api to that service if we go straight for a new port, | 14:21 |
| dansmith | but that's a pretty weak decision, vs what hedging gives us in terms of being able to evolve the course | 14:21 |
| cdent | \b | 14:22 |
| dansmith | IMHO, if it's a separate endpoint we're not committed to anything long-term | 14:22 |
| cdent | Ooops. | 14:22 |
| cdent | Before last weeks re-ordering, the hedging was being done by not using the API at all, initially | 14:22 |
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| dansmith | and as I said last week, we don't *have* to use the API in newton | 14:23 |
| dansmith | jaypipes kinda codified the decision in his summary, | 14:23 |
| dansmith | but I was just explaining that I had expected we'd get there in newton and avoid the rpc upcall | 14:23 |
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| cdent | It sounds like we still have quite a bit of getting-on-the-same-page to be doing. | 14:24 |
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| dansmith | I think the real sticking point for the api comes in where neutron needs to report their resources right? | 14:24 |
| dansmith | seems like maybe jaypipes has gotten pulled away.. not sure we're still making progress here... | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | I | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | sorry, by service I mean a new thing in th ecatalog and a new port, yes. | 14:26 |
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| dansmith | heh | 14:26 |
| bauzas | um | 14:26 |
| bauzas | I wish things would have been clearer before, because that's really concerning me :/ | 14:27 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: why? | 14:27 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: because there are 2 possibilities with that | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: we're going to need a separate scheduler service in the catalog when the rEST API for placement exists. | 14:27 |
| bauzas | #1 either we keep the current wsgi stack and just add a new service that would use the existing stack for running the new namespace | 14:28 |
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| bauzas | but that sounds an huge operator impact for something that could be running on the same workers | 14:28 |
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| bauzas | #2 or we assume the existing wsgi stack has kind of a tech debt and we deploy a new framework, but that would be terrible because we would have 2 ways of writing REST resources within one single repo | 14:29 |
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| bauzas | creating a new service means more than allocating a new port, operational-wise :) | 14:30 |
| bauzas | in particular for packagers and deployers :) | 14:31 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: we discussed a lot of that a while ago with sdague and determined it would actually be good to *not* have the placement API code inherit the Nova baggage and instead be a totally separate API service endpoint, just housed in /nova/api/openstack/placement instead of nova/api/openstack/compute | 14:31 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: I agree with having its own endpoint | 14:31 |
| bauzas | even, 100% to that | 14:31 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I don't really see any benefit to keeping the placement API within the same nova-os-compute-api endpoint. | 14:32 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: don't get me wrogn | 14:32 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: not talking of not having /placement | 14:32 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: just talking of it running behind our single n-api service or not | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: we don't currently have a "single n-api" service, though. | 14:33 |
| bauzas | and AFAIR, we agreed on having it a separate endpoint, I'm fine with that :) | 14:33 |
| jaypipes | we have nova-os-api-compute and nova-api-metadata services. | 14:33 |
| bauzas | right | 14:33 |
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| sdague | bauzas: this definitely should start as a 3rd API on the network | 14:34 |
| sdague | otherwise, the split requires a proxy service | 14:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it has to be as separate as nova-api and metadata | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | at a minimum | 14:35 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: right | 14:36 |
| bauzas | sdague: I see, because our endpoint is /v2.1/<resource>, not /v2.1/os-api-compute/<resource> ? | 14:36 |
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| sdague | bauzas: well, for a lot of reasons, but yes, that's a symptom | 14:36 |
| sdague | os-api (compute) has one router | 14:36 |
| bauzas | okay, thanks for clarifying | 14:36 |
| sdague | you can't really mix routers | 14:36 |
| bauzas | k, I see it now | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: to be clear, this would be an API service running on a totally different port or top-level directory. | 14:37 |
| sdague | and I think we've been pretty clear on this approach since ... at least bristol | 14:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it seems like we need to expose this extra service to deployers eventually, seems like doing it now is the easiest path long term | 14:37 |
| edleafe | I wasn't at Bristol, but I do remember this being one of the outcomes | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | agreed there is significant short term pain | 14:38 |
| dansmith | I was getting lost in the terminology here.. I agree it needs to be a thing peer to compute and metadata | 14:38 |
| bauzas | sdague: I think I mixed endpoint and service | 14:38 |
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| bauzas | I clearly remember us talking about the placement API being a separate endpoint | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now that doesn't mean we have to get it in the service catalog right away, I guess? | 14:38 |
| sdague | bauzas: right, which is what this means | 14:38 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yes | 14:38 |
| sdague | type=placement | 14:38 |
| bauzas | sdague: okay | 14:38 |
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| bauzas | can we re-use the existing WSGI stack we have or do we need to somehow run a totally different router ? | 14:39 |
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| sdague | that is up to whoever is doing it | 14:40 |
| sdague | you could do either | 14:40 |
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| cdent | bauzas: In the POC at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293104/ I'm using a different router because it is much simpler than the Nova Routes mode | 14:40 |
| bauzas | okay, because the latter is a bit worrying me | 14:40 |
| dansmith | my concern stems really from putting the build-a-new-api-from-new-parts in the critical path | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, thats a good concern, it seems like we could create the API in parallel, if we cheat for the short term | 14:41 |
| cdent | dansmith: I agree that's a valid concern, but one of the things I've taken great pains to do is make sure that the code being used is very straightforward and small. _much_ more so than the compute-api | 14:41 |
| cdent | As the API is currently definied, there's no need for it to be super complicated. | 14:41 |
| sdague | for reference, this is where the service split between os-api and md happens today - https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/903731e7a145eb3cd27e16461de83fdbab1baf03/nova/cmd/api.py#L52-L61 it's a super early split in the workers | 14:41 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: it's those "cheats" that involve using the ovo indirection_api that I believe add to much cruft to the solution that long-term will need to be undone. | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | well that is the trade off here | 14:42 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: I totally don't understand what you just said | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, not sure I understand the cost of the "cruft", it doesn't seem too big, as it uses existing infrastructure, but I assume I am missing something? | 14:43 |
| bauzas | cdent: well, the problem with using a new router can be seen with things like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293104/50/nova/api/openstack/placement/handlers/aggregate.py | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: the "cheats" that johnthetubaguy is referring to is not using the HTTP API at all in Newton and instead directly using InventoryList objects et al from the Nova resource tracker and using in-object-trickery to send invneotry/allocation data to one place or the other. | 14:43 |
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| bauzas | cdent: that's a different way of coding that needs me to having 2 different mindsets for reviewing depending on which namespace I'm looking at | 14:44 |
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| bauzas | (plus the fact that we're duplicating the aggregates REST resoruce, which is a bit worrying me, but out of that convo now) | 14:44 |
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| dansmith | jaypipes: I don't get the "in-object-trickery" part.. you mean sending inventory updates to the api db? | 14:44 |
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| cdent | (bauzas let's talk about that outside this meeing, because I think I can change your mind, at least a little bit) | 14:45 |
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| bauzas | k | 14:45 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: yes. via the ComputeNode object instead of having totally separate objects for the placement service and for Nova. | 14:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | can't we just call the placement service code, pre split? | 14:46 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: in other words, the stuff I pushed a revert up for, I don't think that way of doing things is good. I believe we need totall different sets of objects in Nova and in the placement service (the split-out scheduler). | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | at least, thats what I expected to happen in that scheduler client seam | 14:46 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: well, that's my point... we don't *have* a placement service until we get the REST API done and we can't get that REST API done until the object interfaces are done. And we can't get the object interfaces done until we decide how to handle data in the old ComputeNode object vs. the new ResourceProvider object.. | 14:48 |
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| sdague | jaypipes: why can't you have a REST API until the object interfaces are done? There should be some decoupling right | 14:49 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: thats my thinking too | 14:49 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: so my proposal to the ML was to work on the object interfaces for the ResourceProvider object (InventoryList, AllocationList, etc), get those defined to the point where they make sense for the split-out placement service, then get the REST API for placement finalized to use those object definitions and the API database in Nova, and then update the resource tracker to call | 14:49 |
| jaypipes | that placement REST API in addition to its existing call to ComputeNode.save() whenever inventory changes. | 14:49 |
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| jaypipes | sdague: we could have the placement REST API just directly operate against the API DB instead of using Nova objects. Is that your suggestion? | 14:50 |
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| sdague | well, we know from history that what we need in the data layer and the REST layer changes over time | 14:51 |
| bauzas | given Ironic in particular is actively waiting for the generic-rp to be implemented (plus dynamic-rc), I'd suggest to not wait for a potential split-out that's blocking us, and rather iterate on things we can do quickly | 14:51 |
| sdague | and the REST layer needs certain guaruntees to users and has to change more slowly | 14:51 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: Sylvain, that is precisely what I am trying to do: make some progress. | 14:51 |
| bauzas | because I really want us to not have the Ironic host/node relationship to be kept again a couple of cycles | 14:51 |
| cdent | From my standpoint, there are a lot of good ideas here, but _none_ of them are being communicated clearly and completely. Can everybody be good and join the ML thread with more complete dumps of their concerns and ideas? | 14:52 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: sure, I'm just trying to say that generic-rp is what we want to achieve, not the split-out (yet) | 14:52 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I don't either | 14:52 |
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| bauzas | it's certainly a nice side effect that we could do that in the same time, but we shouldn't block us because of that | 14:52 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I am at a loss right now. | 14:53 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: all I want to do is make forward progress but every time I suggest something you say something like "but that would be too much for operators to deal with". | 14:53 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: how do you propose to make progress here exactly? | 14:54 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I totally apologize if you feel that, I was confused by the reason behind a new service, but sdague clarified that | 14:54 |
| edleafe | We only have 5 minutes left. We should continue in -nova and/or the ML | 14:55 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:55 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: my point is, can't we just add those Inventory and Allocation objects and then work on having the REST API implemented | 14:55 |
| edleafe | Anything (different) to discuss? | 14:55 |
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| cdent | silence means security | 14:57 |
| edleafe | OK, so let's continue this on the ML, where we can probably express our ideas more clearly | 14:57 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 6 14:57:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-06-06-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-06-06-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-06-06-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: sorry, but what do you think we've been trying to do for the past 4 weeks? cdent has had those objects on review for 4 weeks and we've delayed him by saying "ok, we need to move the tables into the API database now" and then "ok, the migration of the inventory fields from compute nodes to inventories table introduced bugs and can't be done the same now that compute_nodes and | 14:58 |
| jaypipes | inventories tables are in totally different DBs" and then we delayed by kvetching over how inventory records would need to be done in a transactional manner... | 14:58 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: in other words, we *have* been trying to do that. and in my ML post I specifically said let's try to finalize on a definitio of the Allocationlist and InventoryList objects this week and use that as a first stepping stone. | 14:59 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 15:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas, dansmith: honestly, this is what I feel like doing: let me rebase cdent's patches for the object work and put them in a state I'm happy with. Let cdent be able to focus on the REST API changes that will be needed after the amendment to the generic-resource-pools spec, and let us not try to boil the ocean too much this week and just try to get agreement on the definition of the | 15:01 |
| jaypipes | InventoryList and AllocationList objects. | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | hi upgrades folks! | 15:02 |
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| john-davidge_ | o/ | 15:02 |
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| dasm | upgrade-o-nauts | 15:03 |
| dasm | or upgrade-o-nuts | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | meh :) | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | john-davidge_: howdy! | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | korzen: hello | 15:03 |
| korzen | ihrachys, hello | 15:04 |
| korzen | I've just joined | 15:04 |
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| * ihrachys waves at rossella_s | 15:04 | |
| rossella_s | hello sorry for being late | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | np, we are starting late :) | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's get it rolling | 15:05 |
| rossella_s | I am a lucky girl | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | #topic Actions from the last meeting | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | "korzen to send a breaking patch to validate multinode grenade job catches rolling breakages" | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | korzen: did it happen? | 15:05 |
| korzen | ihrachys, sadly not yet but I have a patch ready for push | 15:05 |
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| korzen | I will push it and write the report on ML | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | nice | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | "korzen to prepare first bi-weekly status update for ML" | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | that actually happened! | 15:06 |
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| dasm | i can confirm. good job korzen! :) | 15:06 |
| korzen | general idea is to modify the RPC method interface for neutron server and agent communication in incompatible way... | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096512.html | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | korzen: yeah, like drop an attribute from notification payload | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | "ihrachys to update neutron meeting open agenda with ovo status update" | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | that did *not* happen, but I have time till tomorrow ;) | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | I will refer to korzen's report for the most part | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | "everyone to switch from 'ovo' topic to bug/XXXX or bp/XXXX where XXXX is targeted for Newton" | 15:07 |
| * ihrachys looks at gerrit | 15:07 | |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ovo+status:open | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | I see some stuff that is relevant to the effort but has wrong topics. | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | I guess I need to walk through the list and make sure topics are correct | 15:08 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I should update my patches...but not sure if it's worth reviewing them, they are still kind of WIP | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: if it's WIP, it's ok to keep it as-is for now | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | the main point of changing is getting attention from reviewers | 15:09 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, that's what I thought | 15:09 |
| korzen | I am about to split my Subnet OVO eval patch and submit it with proper bp | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | if we don't want that for a patch, it may be better to keep it under radar | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to walk thru topic:ovo and change topics where applicable | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | I haven't heard any progress on that one. sc68cal, did you have a change to look at expanding the testing to DVR and other stuff from that etherpad? | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | *chance | 15:10 |
| sc68cal | sorry, haven't | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | np, let's just move on | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Object implementation (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:11 | |
| ihrachys | ok, I was looking at the blocker from API layer where I thought page_reverse is broken | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | it could not be less trues | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | *true | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | turned out it's my brain having a bug, and I just incorrectly interpreted a goal of page_reverse | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | so long story short, no bug and we just need some api test coverage | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/318270 some tests | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | and with that, I assume api test coverage is enough for us to start switching core resources to objects | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | we just need to cover them with existing tests, which is a matter of inheritance. | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | and btw, we landed sorting/pagination support in objects! | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/300055 | 15:14 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, cool | 15:14 |
| korzen | ! | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | so from that perspective, we should be good to proceed | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | now the focus probably moves to patches that adopt existing resources in db code | 15:14 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, I will catch up with the reviews | 15:15 |
| * ihrachys will get back to those patches this week. | 15:15 | |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: thanks, I would really love to get those api tests in | 15:15 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, will do later tonight | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | any interesting patches to discuss in this regard? do we have mergeable pieces in review that adopt objects? | 15:16 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, no news on my side unfortunately...we should get the sec group patch in | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: does it have db side? or just object definitions/ | 15:17 |
| rossella_s | I will synch with sayali and see if she can work on it or if we should find volunteers | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: thanks for handling that! we should make sure no piece is stuck to deliver as planned. | 15:17 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, it's just the ovo introduction | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: it's my thinking that we should focus on object adoption, would be great to see objects used in code and not just hanging out there. | 15:18 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, I totally agree, I commented that on some ovo patches | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | without adoption, we risk to chase new features. | 15:19 |
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| rossella_s | agreed | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | ok, good to be on same side | 15:19 |
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| korzen | I will publish some Subnet usage this week | 15:19 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, great | 15:19 |
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| ihrachys | I know that jlibosva was looking at refactoring resource hooks our of common_db_mixin but I don't see anything in review queue so far | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | I heard that he may need to sync with korzen on that one. | 15:20 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, I've seen that it was added to subnetpool | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | oh right. | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300056/4/neutron/objects/base.py | 15:21 |
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| ihrachys | something we may consider moving out of this patch since it seems like a separate piece of code | 15:21 |
| korzen | yes | 15:21 |
| rossella_s | for people who want to help I'd like to ask for help for the port extensions and the port object...instead of adding new ovo I think it's more productive to finish what we have | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: absolutely. what's the base link to port object? | 15:22 |
| rossella_s | #link https://review.openstack.org/253641 | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | ok, do we have a list of todos in this regard? | 15:23 |
| rossella_s | we still need some work for the binding object... | 15:23 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, good idea I can update the team page | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | maybe even putting it in commit message could help to understand the scope | 15:23 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, another good point, will do | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: or this way. not sure about others, but I don't see the whole picture for the object as you probably do, so documenting your vision would be the 1st thing to do | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | #action rossella_s to come up with specific list of TODOs for port object | 15:24 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, right, I will do that because I realized that I want to work on that but I keep postponing | 15:25 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, thanks for the TODO | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | any more specific stuff for objects that would require team attention? | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's move on | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open Discussion | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | one thing to note, seems like mid-cycle date is moved | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: does it cover your concern with the original date? | 15:26 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, yes the email was clear | 15:27 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, still don't know if I will be able to attend, you people? | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: nope, I still did not get ack from my management, and I would need a visa for that. we'll see. | 15:27 |
| korzen | i didn't ask for permission either | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | I guess we may have some focused discussion there on objects if we'll have some and if people attend; otherwise, no big dea. | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | *deal | 15:28 |
| rossella_s | indeed, it would be useful to know who's attending to understand if we can have that discussion | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | I assume HenryG will ;) | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | ok folks, anything more to cover? | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | or we cut it short :) | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | the latter ;) | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | thanks folks! | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 6 15:30:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-06-06-15.01.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-06-06-15.01.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-06-06-15.01.log.html | 15:30 |
| korzen | thanks | 15:30 |
| dasm | o/ | 15:30 |
| rossella_s | bye! | 15:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 16:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:00 |
| * harlowja_at_home needs more coffee, lol | 16:00 | |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 16:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | hi there, let's get started i suppose | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything folks need to bring up? | 16:02 |
| bknudson | nothing for keystone that I know of. | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | (from a liason perspective) | 16:02 |
| amrith | nothing from the world of trove | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | nothing from neutron. we were broken in mitaka by config_dir option type change, but we handled it on our side. | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool, good to know | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for newton | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for newton (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:04 | |
| harlowja_at_home | anyone need anything specifically released ? | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | otherwise i'll post a larger set of oslo things to get out today | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | (but let me know if any such thing should wait/or be prioritized sooner) | 16:04 |
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| * ihrachys checks neutron periodic job trend. all clear, 0% failure rate. | 16:05 | |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i'll look those over as well (need more coffee first, ha) | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | i do like 0% failure though | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | +2 | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | :) | 16:06 |
| bknudson | 0% failure means you're not taking enough risks | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | true dat | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | right. it becomes too boring, developers look at greener riskier pastures | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | like importing from tempest :P | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll break some stuff so that it isn't 0% | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja_at_home break some things, lol | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | attaboy | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | don't want people getting used to things working u know | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | (managing expectations ...) | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Farewell oslo-incubator | 16:08 |
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| rbradfor | testing is not about showing that your software works, testing is about breaking software. | 16:08 |
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| bknudson | it's taken a long time to exorcise this. | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | so just fyi this is nearly done | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320680/ | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | neutron just removed the last incubator bit the previous week. good timing! | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx gcb for helping there | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, the repo is being blown up/torn down | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | nearly there | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Specs | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:10 | |
| harlowja_at_home | so this week i'm gonna try to get all these specs cleaned up (at least my own) | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo-specs | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | seems like other projects are also finalizing there newton specs this week | 16:11 |
| bknudson | spec proposal freeze was last week for keystone | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | any specs there in that list people urgently need folks to look over (for some definition of urgent) | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok, assuming not then :-P | 16:13 |
| rbradfor | hold a sec | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll clean up all mine and get those in shape | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:13 |
| rbradfor | I'd like to see some more feedback on deprecation policy -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288720/ | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | +1 | 16:14 |
| rbradfor | there has been some other review about adding another attribute, and it would be good for us to standardize on. | 16:14 |
| * rbradfor looks for said review | 16:14 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288720/ has been a long time coming, so i'll also look over it again | 16:14 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, I know you raised comments about versionedutils in comparison to debtcollector usage | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | see if i can find/think of anything new | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, likely | 16:15 |
| rbradfor | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307671/ | 16:15 |
| bknudson | is this trying to set deprecation policy for other projects? That doesn't seem appropriate for an oslo spec. | 16:15 |
| rbradfor | a proposal to add deprecated_version. | 16:15 |
| rbradfor | bknudson, it's a policy to be used in all Oslo projects, and then for us to promote adoption of how to deprecate stuff in a consistent and reproducible manner. | 16:16 |
| rbradfor | some of the goals of the Oslo project. | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307671/ seems nice, will look over that | 16:16 |
| rbradfor | in order to use/enforce in all Oslo projects, I'd like to know we are in agreement | 16:17 |
| rbradfor | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307671/, only goes part of the way, I'd proposed to ML more detailed info, for example, a deprecated_version and a removal_version. | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, seems fair to have that | 16:17 |
| rbradfor | so it's clear which release stuff is to be removed, not just a +2 policy, by adding as an attribute, it gets into all docs, help text etc. | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | yup | 16:18 |
| rbradfor | or in the case of some projects, something is deprecated but it's not expected to be removed. | 16:18 |
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| bknudson | we're looking to add a tool for keystone that will show when deprecated options are used. | 16:19 |
| bknudson | rather than having to search the logs | 16:19 |
| bknudson | so this might cause changes to oslo.config | 16:19 |
| rbradfor | bknudson, there is a nice deprecated log file that dims added | 16:19 |
| rbradfor | for devstack gates | 16:19 |
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| bknudson | this would be for operators not just devs. | 16:19 |
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| rbradfor | bknudson, e.g. http://logs.openstack.org/36/294136/1/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/b34704d/logs/deprecations.txt.gz | 16:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ah, thats nice | 16:20 |
| rbradfor | bknudson, I agree. | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'Its value may be silently ignored in the future' :-/ | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | (from that log) | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, let's see if we (as a group) can look over that depreciation standardization work and come to some agreement | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'd like that, pretty sure rbradfor would to ;) | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Stuck reviews | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any stuck reviews that people want to raise (so that they may get unstuck?) | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | (raise or discuss) | 16:23 |
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| rbradfor | yes | 16:23 |
| rbradfor | Oslo Incubator cleanup, these reviews in other projects have been idle 4-8 weeks. Could some Oslo reviewers please +1 so hopefully the respective cores will pick up and get them approved -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312175/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312171/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297330/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297329/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294730/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294775/ | 16:24 |
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| rbradfor | given we are deleting the project, this ongoing cleanup should still be a goal for Newton | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | yup | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll give those a good look over today | 16:24 |
| rbradfor | they have various different topics, so it's hard to provide a single link. | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:25 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, thanks. I think your a person that has +1 some already | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | yup yup, seems like i did find some of those, will look over the rest (that i must of missed or something, ha) | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'openstack/sticks-dashboard' | 16:25 |
| rbradfor | let's get somebody else to help out to. | 16:25 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i wonder what that project is, lol | 16:25 |
| rbradfor | some projects are very idle, and hence I was able to retire the entire kite project based on proposing incubator cleanup | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:26 |
| rbradfor | happy to kill off a few more, so codesearch shows no incubator code | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | need a GC for projects | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, the GC | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:26 |
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| rbradfor | GC? | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | garbage collector | 16:27 |
| rbradfor | doh! | 16:27 |
| amrith | He's from NYC/NJ. If I were you, I wouldn't make fun of the garbage collector. Otherwise you may 'become part of the landfill'. | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | any other stuck reviews from folks? | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:30 |
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| kgiusti | got a general 'feature branch etiquette" question... | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | sileht, yt, if u are do u mind responding to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096607.html | 16:31 |
| amrith | I have a q re: 290907 (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290907/) | 16:31 |
| amrith | and a question about isotime() since everyone misses that ... | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, whats up (not sure i can answer, but maybe someone can, ha) | 16:31 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:31 |
| kgiusti | Do patches going onto the feature branch need multiple reviewers? | 16:32 |
| amrith | so the first question is about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290907/ | 16:32 |
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| amrith | I'm hoping we can come to a quick decision on it (preferably in line with my review comments). | 16:32 |
| rbradfor | amrith and I had a dicussion over beer about 290907 | 16:32 |
| amrith | I'd hate to see a change to this ... | 16:32 |
| * amrith nods; was good beer | 16:32 | |
| bknudson | I'd prefer the same review criteria for feature branches as for master. | 16:32 |
| bknudson | unless there's a plan for another review step before the code is merged to master? | 16:33 |
| amrith | my question about isotime(). Does anyone know of a project that actually took the recommended advice of using datetime.datetime.isoformat()? | 16:33 |
| bknudson | I wouldn't want to work that way | 16:33 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya, same here, what have people done that have used feature branches on gerrit previously (i haven't used one yet) | 16:33 |
| amrith | as far as I can tell, everyone just took the code from timeutils and made it their own; warts and all. | 16:33 |
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| rbradfor | to summarize our discussion, on one side (the spec), proposals standardizing names of arguments because multiple projects just effective duplicate _id versions, and then there is differing code duplicated. So, in Oslo form, our goal should be to reduce, simplify and provide consistent code. | 16:34 |
| kgiusti | bknudson: It's likely that further work will iteratively modify the code until the feature is finished | 16:34 |
| rbradfor | on the other side as amrith correctly points out, it's doesn't add any real value. | 16:34 |
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| amrith | rbradfor, ironically it will have the same effect as attempting to deprecate isotime :) | 16:34 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so for isotime() some projects as u stated took the code themselves, i've used isoformat() in a library of mine without issue, but i think if a project felt they really needed it (for some reason) that it was ok (but not preferable imho) to just copy over isotime() | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | or at least i think that was the consensus for that isotime -> isoformat dilemma | 16:36 |
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| rbradfor | my concern in these two cases, when 3 new projects come onboard, do they simply copy said code also. And when somebody modifies 'their' version, when/how do other projects know about it, or determine it's validity, and need to incorporate | 16:36 |
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| bknudson | if we have a v4 of the identity API I assume we'll go with isoformat for timestamps. | 16:37 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya, i think that new projects should just use isoformat from the get-go | 16:37 |
| bknudson | or maybe we can change it in a microversion | 16:38 |
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| kgiusti | seems silly to have 2x+2 on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325916/ | 16:38 |
| bknudson | kgiusti: I don't think you need 2x+2 for administrative reviews like this one. | 16:39 |
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| kgiusti | bknudson: agreed! | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, i forget, but when that feature branch --> master; does the whole thing get reviewed at that point | 16:40 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: I haven't the foggiest - that would be ideal | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | i thought something like that happened | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | kgiusti, harlowja_at_home : I think there's a merge commit, but I don't think you want to wait that long to have strong review. It'd be a lot more code if you wait until the end. | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:41 |
| bknudson | reviewing large changes doesn't work well. Reviewers get burned out and don't do careful reviews. | 16:41 |
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| kgiusti | gotcha | 16:42 |
| bknudson | and you don't want to have to rework everything. | 16:42 |
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| harlowja_at_home | agreed, so i guess kgiusti do your best if u can, for administrative ones, meh, i guess those are fine | 16:42 |
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| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, right | 16:42 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:42 |
| kgiusti | no problem | 16:42 |
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| kgiusti | thanks | 16:42 |
| bknudson | review cookies might work better. | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:43 |
| kgiusti | only if you come to the dark side... | 16:43 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, thanks for the clarification re: isotime. I'm wondering which way to go for trove | 16:43 |
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| amrith | leaning towards the isoformat() route but unfortunately can't find someones footsteps to follow | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, i'd try isoformat first, if u really can't just use it, then we can figure out what u can do | 16:43 |
| bknudson | if you're going the typical route you should just pick a new random format | 16:44 |
| amrith | I think it should be fine for Trove | 16:44 |
| bknudson | ;) | 16:44 |
| amrith | bknudson, yes. I was thinking pope Gregory had something to say about that ... | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | the pope uses isotime() ? | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:45 |
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| bknudson | seconds since trove 1.0 | 16:45 |
| amrith | Since ~1582 | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah, ya that gregorian time stuff ( i got the joke now, ha) | 16:45 |
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| amrith | but I much prefer bknudson's definition of the epoch | 16:46 |
| amrith | BT and AT | 16:46 |
| bknudson | isoformat looks like the way to go. | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:46 |
| amrith | bknudson, yes. I think so | 16:46 |
| amrith | it should work for Trove | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:47 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, guess we can continue with anything else in #openstack-oslo as needed | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | unless anything else people want to bring up? | 16:47 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, at some point I'd love to have some decision on the review I brought up | 16:47 |
| amrith | to put it to rest, hopefully | 16:48 |
| amrith | it is (at this point) a concern for Trove | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | agreed | 16:48 |
| amrith | as we use oslo.context | 16:48 |
| amrith | and if the thing changes; then we have a verioning issue | 16:48 |
| amrith | versioning | 16:48 |
| amrith | and since for other reasons (bad ones) trove doesn't yet version it's RPC API (shame, shame) this would be a serious problem for us. | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | i thought u guys had a happy beer over it, lol | 16:48 |
| rbradfor | amrith, any changes will always be backward compatible for 1+ versions, however your concern is need for that longer right? | 16:48 |
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| amrith | to drown my sorrows on this one would take more than beer | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:49 |
| amrith | rbradfor, my issue is that we need versions first | 16:49 |
| amrith | before you go make this change :) | 16:49 |
| amrith | and currently that's a big hill | 16:49 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, we had a happy discussion, and amrith points are totally valid, and I would agree. | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | gotcha | 16:50 |
| rbradfor | I want to add some more specific details to the spec, a code example and also lists of projects duplicating code (in varying ways) | 16:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | sounds good to me | 16:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | okie dokie, amrith rbradfor we will come to some conclusion there, i just know it (and hopefully not in a few years, ha) | 16:52 |
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| rbradfor | as per my discussion with amrith, what is the means to justify a change, if we take the true agile approach, we construct ALL functionality for new code to be a user story. i.e. how does it benefit the end user. | 16:53 |
| amrith | well, some incentives would help. I think beer is a good start, don't you rbradfor? | 16:53 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, could buy :) | 16:53 |
| rbradfor | however, a lot of work done in OpenStack does not even start with the basic premise. | 16:53 |
| amrith | the basic premise that beer helps decision making? | 16:54 |
| amrith | :) | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | or 'how does it benefit the end-user' ? | 16:54 |
| amrith | rbradfor, let's discuss some more | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | or how does beer benefit the end-user? | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:54 |
| rbradfor | ok, beer wins, lets all finish up now and have a beer | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha, ok | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | until next time! | 16:55 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, thanks | 16:55 |
| amrith | toodle-doo | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | thanks those who showed up for coming :) | 16:55 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #openstack-oslo for further things! | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| amrith | thanks for hosting the party harlowja_at_home | 16:55 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 6 16:55:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-06-06-16.00.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-06-06-16.00.txt | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-06-06-16.00.log.html | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | bbiab | 16:55 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil, sudipto | 17:30 |
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| * mfedosin is waiting for nikhil | 17:31 | |
| nikhil | o/ | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | hey! | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glare | 17:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 17:32:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:32 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glare' | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | #topic agenda | 17:33 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | #topic Updates | 17:33 |
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| mfedosin | okay... so, our main focus was on testing and bug fixing | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | we implemented test artifact type and now writing test for it | 17:34 |
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| mfedosin | also, there was a bug about uploading data into dict of blobs - today it's fixed | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | our plan for tomorrow to continue testing | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | then kairat will come to my office on Wednesday and we will start prepare our code for review | 17:36 |
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| nikhil | Hey hey | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | if it's required we can organize virtual sync up on Friday | 17:36 |
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| mfedosin | where we'll tell you how Glare is organized and everything | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: sudipto what do you think? | 17:37 |
| sudipto | mfedosin, i am extremely sorry - i just had a network blip. I just read this: "where we'll tell you how Glare is organized and everything" | 17:38 |
| sudipto | I guess you spoke about a PoC | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | I want to organize virtual sync up | 17:38 |
| sudipto | mfedosin, sure. | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | I'm not sure who's going to be there | 17:39 |
| sudipto | btw, i re-read the spec today and left a few questions. | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | yeah, I saw - thank you | 17:39 |
| nikhil | I'm having n/w issues too | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | I spent all day on Nova :( | 17:39 |
| nikhil | my two msgs didn't go through | 17:40 |
| nikhil | I am a bit caught up this week | 17:40 |
| nikhil | also, I think we need to give more time before a virtual sync | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | next week is absolutely fine as well | 17:40 |
| nikhil | next week is glance mid-cycle | 17:40 |
| nikhil | we can think of dedicating some sessions to glare then | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | oh... I forgot | 17:41 |
| nikhil | for glare | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | It makes sense :) | 17:41 |
| nikhil | there may be other cross project people interested | 17:41 |
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| nikhil | so we need to give them time to schedule as per their convenience too | 17:41 |
| nikhil | let's work together in the next couple of days to come up with a glance mid-cycle agenda by wednesday | 17:42 |
| nikhil | we can then send email to ML so that people can give feedback and we may be able to adjust a slots accordingly | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | nikhil, now Nova work is done and I can concentrate on Glance stuff :) | 17:42 |
| nikhil | awesome | 17:42 |
| nikhil | Thanks to you both mfedosin and sudipto for helping with Nova stuff | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | btw, I have several non glare related topics for glance | 17:43 |
| nikhil | it calls for a celebration! | 17:43 |
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| * nikhil back to glare for the meeting | 17:43 | |
| sudipto | nikhil, yeah kudos to mfedosin for getting it over the line. | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | also there are plans to write an article about Glare | 17:44 |
| nikhil | which article? | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | my management wants it from me :) | 17:44 |
| nikhil | I am a bit caught up this week | 17:45 |
| nikhil | lol, my old msgs are coming through now | 17:45 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: weird :) | 17:45 |
| nikhil | Also I think we need to give more time before organizing virtual sybc | 17:45 |
| nikhil | I am a bit caught up this week | 17:45 |
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| mfedosin | :D | 17:46 |
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| mfedosin | We all understand that you are a bit caught up this week | 17:46 |
| nikhil | lol | 17:46 |
| nikhil | So, I don't quite understand the article bit | 17:46 |
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| nikhil | we don't have a code merged yet | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | yeah - after code is merged | 17:47 |
| nikhil | and people are a bit fussy about knowledge gap | 17:47 |
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| nikhil | ok | 17:47 |
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| nikhil | that's cool. in fact, I think it's needed :) | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | they want to know how Glare is organized, but don't want to review the code | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | so, they ask me to write a small text with pictures | 17:48 |
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| nikhil | ++ | 17:48 |
| nikhil | sudipto: thanks much for reviewing the spec | 17:48 |
| sudipto | mfedosin, nikhil my review of the spec was with the intent of thinking of glare providing APIs for docker FS support. | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | btw, I have to say, that next Monday is a holiday here | 17:49 |
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| nikhil | sudipto: good line of thought.we need to seriously consider it. | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | so, I will have to miss next meeting, unfortunately | 17:49 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: let's cancle it.. | 17:50 |
| nikhil | I asked one more glance guy and they found themselves not being able to review as they do not know what's going on. So, the midcycle will help. | 17:50 |
| sudipto | there's a new project called Higgins - and they want to make containers as the first class citizen on OpenStack, I want to push them to use Glare/Glance - because in band image management would be probably necessary. | 17:50 |
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| nikhil | (let's get the team on same page as Glare during the midcycle) | 17:50 |
| mfedosin | sudipto: great! | 17:50 |
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| mfedosin | but for me Glare is a catalog of versioned binaries with metadata | 17:51 |
| * mfedosin will read about Higgins more | 17:51 | |
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| nikhil | sudipto: I don't full understand container image mgmt, but the requirement of the dependencies on the images -- ie dedup ( image delta ) is THE primary reason for my motivation behind glare. | 17:52 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: hard dependencies are not implemented yet | 17:53 |
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| mfedosin | but for sure they will | 17:53 |
| sudipto | nikhil, yeah - more than Higgins, I guess we should look at how to support a docker filesystem like thing there. | 17:53 |
| nikhil | sudipto: ++ | 17:53 |
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| nikhil | there's bunch of other that will have this requirement | 17:53 |
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| nikhil | sudipto: yeah, me too waiting to know and contribute more to glare | 17:55 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: btw, if code is good enough, do we have any plans about merge? | 17:55 |
| mfedosin | I mean when it can be done | 17:56 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: how can I answer that question? | 17:56 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: I will try to review from my end... we need to be collaborative with the rest of the community to make sure they are on the same page and not give their -2 | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | "yes, code will be merged next week" | 17:57 |
| nikhil | ? | 17:57 |
| nikhil | oh lol | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | mfedosin: how can I answer that question? | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | it's the answer that satisfies me :) | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | so, we have not so much time left | 17:58 |
| nikhil | I don't think that's how the community works.. at least we need to learn from past experience. | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | I think we can skip next meeting | 17:58 |
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| mfedosin | because I'm not sure about my Internet connection there | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | okay, thank you for coming and reviews! | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | we can continue in #openstack-glance | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-06-06-17.32.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-06-06-17.32.txt | 18:00 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 20:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| diazjf | o | 20:00 |
| diazjf | o | 20:00 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:00 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:00 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| jmckind | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | awesome, lots of barbicaneers here today | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items from last meeting (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:02 | |
| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-05-23-20.01.html | 20:02 |
| redrobot | I actually haven't put this doc meeting in my schedule | 20:02 |
| redrobot | I'll try to make it this week for sure | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to join the next installation doc meeting | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #topic Newton Milestone 1 | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Newton Milestone 1 (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:03 | |
| redrobot | speaking of not putting things in my calendar | 20:03 |
| redrobot | I dropped the ball on the first milestone. Didn't realize that it was release week until Friday but the release team cutoff releases on Thursday | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | Talked to the release team | 20:04 |
| redrobot | not a big deal | 20:04 |
| redrobot | we'll be fine without a Newton M-1 release | 20:04 |
| redrobot | Already added the next few releases to my calendar, so we shouldn't miss any of those. | 20:04 |
| redrobot | any questions/comments about the Milestone-1 non-release? | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #topic Blueprints | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | We should try to land outstanding BPs in the next week or two | 20:07 |
| redrobot | so that there's enough time to implement them between now and FF | 20:07 |
| alee | o/ | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/barbican-specs+status:open | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | any questions/comments/links for Newton Blueprints? | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | #topic Newton Mid-cycle | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Newton Mid-cycle (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:10 | |
| redrobot | diazjf any news on IBM sponsorship for this one? | 20:11 |
| diazjf | redrobot, #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 20:11 |
| diazjf | Looks like we don't have too many people. edtubill and I were able to book a conference room, but other than that I need to see if hyakuhei can get some funding. | 20:12 |
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| diazjf | Else it may have to be in the castle again | 20:12 |
| redrobot | so still tenative-ish? | 20:12 |
| diazjf | redrobot, yup no one has given me a definite yes other than booking a room. | 20:13 |
| redrobot | diazjf word... we'll re-sync next week | 20:13 |
| diazjf | I heard it will be hard at RackSpace Austin as well | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | diazjf thanks for staying on top of this btw! :) | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | I think we could be able to figure something out | 20:14 |
| diazjf | redrobot, no worries we'll see I'll keep positive | 20:14 |
| redrobot | but I only go up there once eery couple of weeks. | 20:14 |
| * redrobot crosses fingers | 20:14 | |
| diazjf | we have pretty low attendance so far :( | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | :( | 20:16 |
| redrobot | I think more people will sign up once we have concrete plans | 20:16 |
| redrobot | it's hard to ask for travel money for a tentative event ;) | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:17 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | Anything else we want to talk about? | 20:17 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: Is there any discussion about moving barbican to use oslo db libarary ? | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | arunkant someone had mentioned it before, but so far nobody has signed up to do the work. | 20:18 |
| arunkant | redrobot: Asking as we are seeing some issues which are addressed in oslo db .. | 20:19 |
| arunkant | redrobot: okay | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | I think that may be something that OSIC might be interested in contributing. | 20:20 |
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| woodster_ | arunkant: does that include versioned objects as well? | 20:20 |
| arunkant | woodster_ : I am not aware about versioned object. I just logged a bug ..https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1589673 which is addressed in oslo db side | 20:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1589673 in Barbican "MySQL server has gone away error related to HA event" [Undecided,New] | 20:21 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: cool about OSIC | 20:21 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: Yes, it will be good if barbican can be ported to oslo db. I don't have time to do this as still trying to get time for multiple backend code. | 20:22 |
| woodster_ | arunkant: looks good to me | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | any other topics? | 20:25 |
| redrobot | if not we may be able to get 30 min back | 20:25 |
| arunkant | redorobot: Is there freeze on spec approval timeline for Newton ? | 20:26 |
| arunkant | I mean what is the date ? | 20:26 |
| redrobot | arunkant I don't think we have a hard deadline, but it would be good to get BPs finalied before m-2 | 20:27 |
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| arunkant | redorobot: okay. | 20:27 |
| redrobot | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 20:27 |
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| redrobot | newton-2 week is Jul 11-15 | 20:28 |
| redrobot | anything else? | 20:29 |
| redrobot | going once ... | 20:29 |
| redrobot | going 2x | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | Sold to the gentleman with the 30-minues back! | 20:30 |
| redrobot | have a good week everyone! | 20:30 |
| redrobot | thanks for coming | 20:30 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 6 20:30:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-06-06-20.00.html | 20:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-06-06-20.00.txt | 20:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-06-06-20.00.log.html | 20:30 |
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| carolbarrett | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 21:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carolbarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| carolbarrett | Hi Folks - It's time for the Product Working Group meeting | 21:00 |
| carolbarrett | The agenda can be found here | 21:00 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:00 |
| carolbarrett | #Link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:00 |
| carolbarrett | Hi Rockyg | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | Let's start with roll call | 21:01 |
| qwebirc80186 | Hi Carrol, Soyeh McCarthy here.... What bridge number? | 21:01 |
| cloudrancher | o/ | 21:01 |
| shamail | hi everyone | 21:01 |
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| shamail | qwebirc80186: this meeting is IRC only so there is not a bridge. | 21:01 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | Hi Soyeh - No bridge today, we had one last week for the user story review, but usually we use IRC | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | hi Shamail | 21:02 |
| qwebirc80186 | ok, thanks | 21:02 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:02 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | great - let's get going | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Midcycle Planning | 21:02 |
| kencjohnston | hi team, fyi I've got to drop in about 15 minutes | 21:02 |
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| rockyg | boy, 80186 takes me back....Worked on a system that used that processor | 21:02 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello team | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston: thanks for the heads-up. Do you have any opens that you want to share or comments on the other agenda items? | 21:03 |
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| carolbarrett | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Newton_Midcycle_Planning | 21:03 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | are we also on the phone bridge today? | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | That's the link for the mid cycle planning etherpad | 21:03 |
| kei_ | o/ | 21:04 |
| carolbarrett | Arkdady_kanevsky: no bridge today | 21:04 |
| carolbarrett | hi Kei | 21:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks Carol | 21:04 |
| kei_ | hi carolbarrett! | 21:04 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett nope | 21:04 |
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| carolbarrett | Thanks kencjohnston | 21:04 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: I thought NYC and Seattle were in the running for ops-midcycle… Is PDX as well? | 21:04 |
| carolbarrett | On the midcycle - does anyone have an update on the Ops Midcycle? | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: No one has reached out to me about PDX/Intel hosting. Though they may have other plans | 21:05 |
| rockyg | They're thinking mid august, either Seattle or NYC | 21:05 |
| shamail | I saw PDX in the etherpad thats why I asked | 21:05 |
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| carolbarrett | rockyg: Thanks. Any idea when they will finalize? | 21:05 |
| shamail | I was aware of the same as rockyg, NYC or SEA | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | While the date and location are still be worked, we can spend our time on planning the agenda for our midcycle | 21:06 |
| leong | hi folks | 21:06 |
| rockyg | They're talking to the companies about the sites this week. So possible this week, but more likely next week. | 21:06 |
| carolbarrett | Hi Leong | 21:06 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:06 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks Rocky. | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on planning | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | Can folks go to the planning etherpad and spend 10 mins now adding your proposals for the agenda? | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | The currebt 5 user stories are for Newton | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | What about starting to plan usre stories for Ocata at mid-cyclke | 21:07 |
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| rockyg | crickets | 21:09 |
| leong | might be worthwhile to review the process of user story workflow/gap-analysis/implementation | 21:09 |
| leong | review if we missed out anything or any rooms for improvement | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett | As topics get added to the etherpad pls indicate your top 3-4 priorities with +1. If you think a topic is not a good use of time, pls put a -1 by it | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett | leong +1: Can you pls add this to the etherpad? | 21:11 |
| leong | just added | 21:11 |
| carolbarrett | Arkady_Kanesvky: Can you add that to the planning etherpad? | 21:11 |
| rockyg | Love to discuss success/failure so far in current active user stories. | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I already did | 21:12 |
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| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: Thanks | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | rockyg: good | 21:12 |
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| carolbarrett | rockyg: can you add that to the etherpad? | 21:12 |
| rockyg | working on that... | 21:13 |
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| carolbarrett | rockyg: thanks | 21:13 |
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| carolbarrett | We haven't discussed length of the midcycle - what do you all think? 1 day? 2 days? | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | can we move all user story related topics together on etherpad? | 21:14 |
| MeganR | 2 days has been really beneficial in the past | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: Sure, go ahead and group them. Thanks | 21:15 |
| shamail | I vote 2 as well | 21:15 |
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| kencjohnston | carolbarrett MeganR +1 on 2 days | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | done | 21:15 |
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| shamail | cya kencjohnston | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | bye kencjohnston | 21:16 |
| carolbarrett | thanks Arkday_kanevsky | 21:16 |
| rockyg | +1 on 2 | 21:16 |
| carolbarrett | OK - Let's plan on 2 days | 21:16 |
| carolbarrett | #agree Newton Midcycle will be 2 days | 21:16 |
| leong | 2 days | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks for the additions to the agenda - over the next week, pls look over the etherpad and add your +1s, -1s and other topics | 21:17 |
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| carolbarrett | Seems like there's a couple of Topics on Roadmap that we can group together too | 21:17 |
| shamail | wil ldo | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we will need to put some time duration per topic to see what we can fit in 2 days. Then we can vote both on topic and duration. | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | If we can fit them all then +1 for all and we only need to prioritize agenda | 21:18 |
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| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: good point. Let's tackle that next week, once folks have had a chance to look it over. | 21:18 |
| carolbarrett | Let's move to the next topic | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Identify Pilot for Workflow | 21:19 |
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| carolbarrett | In our review of the user stories last week, we didn't get time to talk about which, if any, would be good for a pilot for the workflow we developed out of the Austin discussion. | 21:19 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | looking at current 5 top stories | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | upgrade has been going ofr a long while - not a good candidate | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail - Do you have thoughts on this to share? | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: agree | 21:20 |
| shamail | I like fleet management but it might be too big for plit | 21:20 |
| shamail | pilot* | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | shamail agree with you. | 21:21 |
| shamail | I think bare metal might be a good one | 21:21 |
| rockyg | Agree with shamail about fleet mgmt | 21:21 |
| shamail | bare metal or HA VM imo | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | Link to workflow | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories | 21:21 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | HA VM also have been going ofr a while and require parts outside of openstack | 21:21 |
| rockyg | HA VM is getting lots of comments | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | could we divide fleet management? | 21:22 |
| rockyg | I suspect most of our user stories will.... | 21:22 |
| KrishR | i think HA VM is a good candiadte even though it needs outside parts like Pacemaker etc. | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think it will be easier to devide HA VM. | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 for KrishR | 21:22 |
| shamail | agreed, mainly because a team is already started to work on the cross prokject spec | 21:22 |
| carolbarrett | Pete Chadwick - Are you around? | 21:23 |
| shamail | I think we could divide it carolbarrett, ken added prioritization info which could be used for that | 21:23 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | does that mean that we shoudl prioritize use cases within a story? | 21:24 |
| KrishR | shamail: you meant for Fleet Mgmt, right? | 21:24 |
| shamail | yea | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | so it sounds like the 2 options are Fleet Management and HA VM | 21:24 |
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| carolbarrett | KrishR: What do you think? | 21:24 |
| KrishR | Kenny and I are working on prioritizing the use cases so we can focus on a subset | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | HA VM is simpler | 21:24 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 on those two | 21:24 |
| KrishR | I meantof ro Fleet Mgmt | 21:25 |
| KrishR | +1 on FLeet and HA VM | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | can we do 2 pilots? | 21:25 |
| rockyg | I tend to go with Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | or we should really pick 1 | 21:25 |
| shamail | probably just want to pilot one… (we can proceed with both but use one as pilot) | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_Kanevsky: I don't see why not...as long as we have enough resources | 21:25 |
| rockyg | HA VM might be more direct in the early stages, and a phase one would be based on gaps | 21:26 |
| shamail | there is nothing preventing us from progressing with multiple stories.. but we should only read out on one | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | let's ask story owners. | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | if they willing and able to handle it | 21:26 |
| shamail | good idea Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:26 |
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| carolbarrett | That would be KrishR and Pete Chadwick | 21:26 |
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| KrishR | I'm OK with Fleet - but rememebr that a lot of it is outside OpenStack | 21:27 |
| shamail | Agreed KrishR | 21:27 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 with KrishR. | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | KrishR: That's a good point | 21:27 |
| shamail | I think the discussion is a good one to have… let’s see how much HA VM and Fleet Mgmt think they can achieve in this cycle... | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | But it is a pilot - our goal is to get expererince... | 21:27 |
| rockyg | That's why I was leaning to HA VM | 21:27 |
| shamail | We can decide which one to showcase as the pilot later | 21:28 |
| shamail | as long as they are moving forward | 21:28 |
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| carolbarrett | I wonder if HA VM is a better pilot | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | and DOCIMENT experience | 21:28 |
| shamail | if we only have enough resources for one then we have to choose now (but I dont think that is the case) | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett | shamail +1 | 21:28 |
| leong | i think we can work on multiple | 21:28 |
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| carolbarrett | leong +1 | 21:29 |
| shamail | I think HA VM might be the better/simpler pilot as well carolbarrett but let’s move both forward | 21:29 |
| leong | even baremetal can fits in aas well | 21:29 |
| shamail | leong: +1 it sure can | 21:29 |
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| carolbarrett | How do we want to decide? | 21:29 |
| shamail | So carolbarrett, would an action to contact user story owners for bare metal, HA VM, and fleet mgmt be the right next step? | 21:29 |
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| shamail | action item* | 21:29 |
| shamail | to gauge their thoughts on what can be accomplished for each one | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:30 |
| leong | ha_vm, fleet_mgmt, baremetal are all progressing into the next phase of the flow: Gap analysis | 21:30 |
| KrishR | for Fleet, i can say we will hav gap analysis done | 21:30 |
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| KrishR | and possibly implementation plan too | 21:31 |
| carolbarrett | KrishR: That's great! | 21:31 |
| shamail | I think either of those three are good candidates, that is why I am thinking that we let them all make progress and then maybe decide which one is our “pilot” at mid-cycle? | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | next topic? | 21:32 |
| leong | +1 shamail | 21:32 |
| shamail | The only difference between pilot and others is which one we will showcase when giving workflow examples | 21:32 |
| shamail | achievements of all will be shared | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | #agree decide on User Story Pilot at Midcycle | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | Moving on | 21:32 |
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| shamail | and I am sure we will learn lessons from all as well | 21:32 |
| shamail | thanks. | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | #topics Newton Design Series Update | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail - Pls take this one | 21:33 |
| shamail | Sure thing carolbarrett | 21:33 |
| shamail | So we had good success with lining up PTL interviews | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Newton Design Series Update | 21:33 |
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| shamail | So we had good success with lining up PTL interviews (most recordings are done) | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | so what is the next xtep? | 21:34 |
| shamail | I will be contacting a few people to possibly re-record based on the videos…. Some were missing video for PTL | 21:34 |
| KrishR | hope not one of mine :-( | 21:34 |
| shamail | The next thing we need to do is create slides that summarize the answers for each question from the PTL in 2-3 bullet points | 21:34 |
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| shamail | KrishR: One of them is :( | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I was thinkinbg of updating each project roadmap based on interveiw | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | shamail +2 | 21:35 |
| shamail | I am waiting until I review all videos before I send out an email about re-recording | 21:35 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: +1, I have been doing that for the interviews I conducted but that would be appreciated | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I have my last one rescheduled for this wednesday | 21:35 |
| shamail | For the slides, I am glad to help those who want me to create them on their behalf… Is anyone willing to create their own summary slides? | 21:36 |
| shamail | I will gladly send the template | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will od that for 3 I am CPL | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I expected that CPL will do that for their projects. | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Do we have a base Newton slides where to put them? | 21:36 |
| shamail | I will be creating slides for the videos that have been sent to Heidi Joy this week | 21:37 |
| KrishR | shamail: can you send out a link to all the videos? I didnt take notes while interviewing | 21:37 |
| shamail | We will begin publishing the videos next week :) | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | looking for consistency for slide across projects | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | carol can you repost pointer to interveiw schedule? | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Suggest each person add a pointer to interview on it | 21:37 |
| shamail | KrishR: Please email Heidi Joy and ask her to add you to the newton design series dropbox account | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I uploaded to google and send heidi a pointer to it | 21:38 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: This information already exists.. it is in the google spreadsheet we used and all videos are in a single dropbox account. We don’t need to add it to etherpad | 21:38 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:38 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Newton_design_series_PTL_interview | 21:38 |
| shamail | Any questions? | 21:38 |
| shamail | Seems like I volunteered to create all slides. :x | 21:38 |
| shamail | lol | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | tahnsk carol | 21:38 |
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| carolbarrett | shamail: Sounds like you're looking for the CPLs to create the slides, not the person who did the interview? | 21:39 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: I am looking for the interviewer to create them (or I will) | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | shamail, if you send a pointer to sample slides, I will handle once I am CPL for | 21:39 |
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| carolbarrett | shamail: OK. Is there a deadline you want us working to? | 21:39 |
| shamail | either is fine but I was trying to spread the workload a bit | 21:39 |
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| KrishR | shamail: I'll create slides for my interviews | 21:39 |
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| shamail | Yes carolbarrett, please let me know if you are going to be creating slides for your interview by tomorrow. If you are creating the slides then please have them completed by 6/13 | 21:40 |
| shamail | Thanks KrishR, I will send you the template we are using. | 21:40 |
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| carolbarrett | #agree Newton design series interviewers to complete and post slides by 6/13 | 21:40 |
| MeganR | I can help create slides, if needed. | 21:40 |
| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky, i’ll send it to you as well | 21:40 |
| shamail | Awesome MeganR! | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: I can create the slides for the interviews I did - pls cc me on the email with the template (again)... | 21:41 |
| shamail | I meant to reply to your email but then got sidetracked | 21:41 |
| shamail | Will do.. thank you carolbarrett, Arkady_Kanevsky, KrishR, and MeganR! | 21:41 |
| shamail | That’s all I had for this topic | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:41 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks Shamail | 21:41 |
| carolbarrett | let's move on | 21:41 |
| carolbarrett | #topic 6/20 Meeting Plan | 21:41 |
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| carolbarrett | In Austin and even before then, we had discussed getting regular updates from CPLs in this meeting. | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | The intention is to help educate the rest of this team on the hot topics and highlight anything that relates to our use cases | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail and I talked about order and decided to use the project adoption info to guide this. | 21:43 |
| carolbarrett | We'd like to dedicate 30 mins in the 6/20 meeting to CPL updates. | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | carol, great idea. | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | But I expect we will need shareable mdeai to present and hear | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | The ones we'd like to cover are: Nova (Hugh), Keystone (Who owns this?), Horizon (Carol), Glance (Nate) | 21:44 |
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| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: Good point. We can use an etherpad for the CPLs to put notes into. I can add a bridge for that meeting if folks want | 21:45 |
| rockyg | What about Neutron "core"? That would hit all the defcore projects then | 21:45 |
| carolbarrett | rockyg: neutron would be in the next wave | 21:45 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | waht about webex so we can see a slide or 2 per project? | 21:45 |
| shamail | I would prefer an etherpad per project, that way the update can be seen later by those who miss the meeting | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | who was keystoen CPL before? | 21:46 |
| shamail | It could also be used by the AsiaPac Regional meeting | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: +1 | 21:46 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Sheena from Mirantis | 21:46 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes on etherpad for notes on the projects. Aslo slides should be on google so all can see them | 21:47 |
| carolbarrett | We could do a combo of Etherpad + Phone or Etherpad + Webex - preferences? | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | he dropped out I assume? | 21:47 |
| KrishR | +1 on etherpads | 21:47 |
| shamail | MeganR: You did the keystone roadmap slides right? Were you just helping with the roadmap content or did you take CPL? | 21:47 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: etherpad or phone+etherpad | 21:48 |
| carolbarrett | #agree Setup 1 etherpad per project for the CPL to place updates in; Link etherpad from Wiki | 21:48 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: I think we need something beyond the etherpad for the Q&A...yes? | 21:48 |
| shamail | Yep | 21:48 |
| shamail | IRC or Phone | 21:48 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: Etherpad and IRC is a tough combo | 21:49 |
| shamail | fair | 21:49 |
| shamail | im fine with etherpad+phone as well! | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ca n we do etherpad and google? | 21:49 |
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| KrishR | +1 to etherpad and phone | 21:49 |
| carolbarrett | Is etherpad + phone OK with everyone? | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | etherpad & webex (or equivalent) for meeting | 21:49 |
| rockyg | +1 | 21:49 |
| MeganR | +1 | 21:49 |
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| carolbarrett | #agree Use a combo of Etherpad and Phone for the CPL updates | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 for etherapd and phone. | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | Do we have a Keystone CPL volunteer | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | ? | 21:50 |
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| KrishR | Arkady_Kanevsky: looks like you prefer a video link - let me talk to Kenny about the one we've been using | 21:50 |
| rockyg | If the phone conference owner is using ATT, they have an online app for sharing desktop... | 21:50 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | My comment that it is hard to present etherpad. SLide is easier | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | I'll send an email to the CPLs who aren't here today and confirm they can do the 6/20 meeting | 21:51 |
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| carolbarrett | arkady_kanesvky: I think the ease of sharing and tracking info in etherpad is important | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett | #action Carol send email to CPLs to confirm 6/20 attendance and readiness for updates | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett | Let's move on | 21:52 |
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| carolbarrett | #topic Barcelona Session Planning | 21:52 |
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| carolbarrett | I'm sure you all saw emails from the Foundation folks about the start of submissions | 21:53 |
| KrishR | carolbarrett: yes | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Barcelona_Sessions | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett | I started an etherpad where we can propose, discuss and track session proposals | 21:54 |
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| shamail | awesome thanks | 21:54 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:55 |
| shamail | I will think about sessions this week and add them to the etherpad | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett | Pls use the etherpad to capture your proposals and we can review it next week. | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: Thanks! | 21:55 |
| leong | me too | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett | OK - last topic | 21:56 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Opens | 21:56 |
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| carolbarrett | Anyone have any opens to share? | 21:56 |
| carolbarrett | Pete, Mark Baker and I will be presenting the Roadmap at the OpenStack Ireland Day on Friday. | 21:56 |
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| shamail | none from me | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | good luck. Say hi to Gael rehault (Dell) from me | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | Anyone else? | 21:57 |
| MeganR | Have fun at OS Ireland!! | 21:57 |
| shamail | Yea | 21:57 |
| shamail | have fun and a safe trip! | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | arkday_kanevsky: Will do | 21:57 |
| KrishR | carolbarrett: all the best | 21:57 |
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| carolbarrett | Thanks all - looking forward to it! | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks all | 21:58 |
| shamail | o/ | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett | You all have a good rest of your week. | 21:58 |
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| leong | have fun | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | bye | 21:58 |
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| carolbarrett | Bye | 21:58 |
| MeganR | bye | 21:58 |
| kei_ | bye | 21:58 |
| cloudrancher | bye | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 6 21:58:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-06-21.00.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-06-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-06-21.00.log.html | 21:58 |
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