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| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
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| Swami | hi | 15:01 |
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| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 15:01:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_dvr)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_dvr' | 15:01 |
| haleyb | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| haleyb | N1 is approaching, but we don't have anything critical to get in besides bug fixes | 15:03 |
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| Swami | yes that's what I hoped. | 15:04 |
| haleyb | #topic Bugs | 15:04 |
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| Swami | when is N1. | 15:04 |
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| haleyb | let me look | 15:04 |
| Swami | ok. | 15:04 |
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| haleyb | it was discussed at the networking meeting monday, need to find the link | 15:05 |
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| haleyb | just a meta-comment on bugs | 15:05 |
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| Swami | it saw two dates, july 4th and May 30th. | 15:05 |
| Swami | I was not sure what was the right one. | 15:06 |
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| haleyb | it's been a slow week or two getting merges through jenkins, a couple of changes are helping, saw another one today | 15:06 |
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| Swami | ok let us move on to the bugs. | 15:06 |
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| Swami | This week we did not have any new bugs. There was one bug that was tagged with l3_dvr_backlog, but was incomplete. | 15:07 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318116/ is reverting a keystone change that has caused a lot of failures, so should help | 15:07 |
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| haleyb | that was the #1 infra issue | 15:08 |
| haleyb | Swami: continue, should have had that copy/paste read | 15:08 |
| Swami | No not the infra one. | 15:08 |
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| Swami | There is one bug that has a patch that needs review. https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1581348 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1581348 in neutron "Can't delete a v4 csnat port when there is a v6 router interface attached" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Hong Hui Xiao (xiaohhui) | 15:09 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315926/ | 15:09 |
| haleyb | yeah, that link was meant to go with my previous comment :) | 15:09 |
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| Swami | haleyb: did you get a chance to recheck this patch. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300358/ | 15:11 |
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| haleyb | Swami: i did look, and talked to carl_baldwin - i think there's still a window where a race could happen between exists() and ip_lib call | 15:13 |
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| Swami | are we planning to address it in this patch or as a follow on patch. | 15:13 |
| haleyb | i think it would be better to try/except where possible, but let's discuss | 15:14 |
| Swami | haleyb: ok thanks | 15:14 |
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| Swami | There is one more patch that needs to be merged, I think I addressed all comments from Oleg. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300268/17 | 15:16 |
| haleyb | Swami: there's no de-facto doc that says "always try, and deal with the failure gracefully", but if we can do that here it would remove the race completely. There are still cases where we have to call netns.exists() of course, and possibly re-create the namespace ? | 15:16 |
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| Swami | please post your comments on the patch on where you wanted to have it try/catch captured and were not. | 15:17 |
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| haleyb | ok, will do that | 15:18 |
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| Swami | thanks | 15:19 |
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| haleyb | regarding ^^^ i'll look once jenkins is done with it | 15:20 |
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| Swami | Another thing that I wanted to discuss is the 'allowed_address_pair' and floatingip when the allowed_address_pair is associated to multiple active ports. | 15:20 |
| Swami | This patch is still waiting. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304905/ | 15:20 |
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| haleyb | i thought there was an issue with lbaas ? | 15:21 |
| Swami | Yes, that is the one that is related to this patch. | 15:21 |
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| Swami | We need to have some sort of blueprint worked out for this unique use case, since it deviates from the DVR design model. | 15:22 |
| haleyb | Right, because it's too slow on fail-over, correct? | 15:22 |
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| Swami | Yes, also they don't have a model were they can only have ACTIVE and passive logged into the DB that the neutron can take advantage of. | 15:23 |
| Swami | This is like, DVR should proactively create routers and floatingip on all the nodes, where they have the allowed_address_pair configured for the VM. | 15:24 |
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| haleyb | So that sounds like a spec/RFE. is it something they can do, or falls on us? | 15:24 |
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| Swami | haleyb: it might be on both sides. | 15:24 |
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| Swami | The reason is if they have assigned allowed_address_pair for multiple VM on multiple nodes, is it ok for neutron to start routers on all nodes and increase the control plane activity. | 15:25 |
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| haleyb | Swami: could we alternately put this FIP on the controller as well in this case? I know that's a regression from DVR | 15:26 |
| Swami | haleyb: Yes that is kind of going back to centralized, which we don't want to do, unless required. | 15:26 |
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| haleyb | i see it as a last resort to solve this particular problem | 15:28 |
| Swami | Ok, let me think through it and probably will add an RFE to address this issue. | 15:28 |
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| haleyb | ok, thanks | 15:28 |
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| Swami | but, I think irrespective of this issue, we should still pursue the patch shown below, since this would be usefull for people who are configuring allowed_address_pair just for ACTIVE and PASSIVE. | 15:29 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304905/ | 15:29 |
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| haleyb | ok, let me recheck the patch, but think i was fine with it last week | 15:30 |
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| Swami | haleyb: yes I think I have addressed all your comments on it. | 15:30 |
| Swami | that's all I have with respect to bugs. | 15:31 |
| haleyb | yes, i think i was just waiting based on our lbaas meeting | 15:31 |
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| haleyb | #topic Gate failures | 15:32 |
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| haleyb | As I mentioned earlier, there were some issues out of our control causing Check queue failures | 15:32 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318116/ (keystone fernet token issue) was one | 15:32 |
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| haleyb | There is also an ongoing OVS issue being chased | 15:33 |
| Swami | multinode is still not happy | 15:33 |
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| haleyb | dvr is lower than "regular" :) | 15:34 |
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| Swami | haleyb: dvr is always opposite to neutron-full. | 15:34 |
| haleyb | Swami: have you seen any particular string in failures you've seen? | 15:35 |
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| Swami | not much. I need to look more closely. | 15:35 |
| haleyb | use logstash too, that helped track-down the other failures i saw | 15:36 |
| Swami | will do | 15:36 |
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| haleyb | #topic Stable backports | 15:38 |
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| haleyb | Swami: i fixed a merge issue in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314790/ and re-based the other two on-top | 15:38 |
| Swami | haleyb: i have a bunch of patches for stable backport. | 15:39 |
| Swami | what was the error, I could not figure out the issue. | 15:39 |
| haleyb | And I am working on back-porting OVS support for IPv6 endpoints manually | 15:39 |
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| haleyb | Swami: an iptables NAT addition line got removed, so a few tests were failing | 15:39 |
| Swami | haleyb: thanks | 15:40 |
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| haleyb | Swami: feel free to add me to any other backports you start | 15:40 |
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| Swami | ok, will do. | 15:40 |
| haleyb | I also need to check the backport dashboard and update it | 15:41 |
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| Swami | Congrats! are you officially the stable core now. | 15:41 |
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| haleyb | Thanks, it might take a week to fully happen and get the +2 | 15:42 |
| Swami | ok. | 15:42 |
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| haleyb | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-bug-candidates-from-master is the stable bug dashboard btw | 15:43 |
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| haleyb | #topic Open Discussion | 15:44 |
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| Swami | ok will add mine to the list | 15:44 |
| haleyb | anyone have anything else they want to talk about ? | 15:44 |
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| Swami | no I don't have any other topics to discuss at this time. | 15:45 |
| haleyb | ok, and since noone else seems to be here, i'll end it | 15:45 |
| haleyb | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 15:45:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-05-18-15.01.html | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-05-18-15.01.txt | 15:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-05-18-15.01.log.html | 15:45 |
| haleyb | thanks Swami | 15:45 |
| Swami | bye | 15:46 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | time for ML2 meeting | 16:01 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:02 |
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| andreas_s | hi | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | I don’t have much on today’s agenda, but lets get started | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 16:03:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #topic Agenda | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_May_18.2C_2016 | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | I have nothing specific on the agenda for this week, mainly because I’ve had some PTO/travel and haven’t done my homework :( | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | Is there anything anyone wants to make sure we cover? | 16:04 |
| andreas_s | maybe a minute regarding distributed portbinding | 16:05 |
| rkukura | sure | 16:05 |
| andreas_s | would be great | 16:05 |
| rkukura | anything else? | 16:05 |
| andreas_s | #link https://review.openstack.org/309416 | 16:05 |
| andreas_s | oh sorry | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | We’ll get to it | 16:05 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | I have no announcements - does anyone? | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | N-1 is around the corner | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | end of may | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Thanks | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Anything else? | 16:06 |
| rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | We’ve only been tracking one bug: | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1567792 | 16:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1567792 in openstack-manuals "Mitaka Configuration Reference Nework section is missing ML2 parameters" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Andreas Scheuring (andreas-scheuring) | 16:07 |
| andreas_s | fix got merged yesterday | 16:07 |
| rkukura | Great - we can take that off for next week’s agenda | 16:07 |
| andreas_s | backport is still pending I guess.. | 16:07 |
| rkukura | Any other bugs we should be tracking? | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | OK, … | 16:08 |
| rkukura | #topic Distributed port binding | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | andreas_s: go ahead | 16:08 |
| andreas_s | #link https://review.openstack.org/309416 | 16:08 |
| andreas_s | thanks | 16:08 |
| andreas_s | so I updated the spec | 16:08 |
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| andreas_s | Now the api specifies a new subresource of port called "binding" | 16:09 |
| rkukura | cool - want to look at this closely | 16:09 |
| andreas_s | api/ports/{port-id}/bindings | 16:09 |
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| andreas_s | cool | 16:09 |
| andreas_s | I also added an RFE | 16:10 |
| andreas_s | hope it gets discussed in tomorrows drivers meeting.. | 16:10 |
| rkukura | andreas_s: Is the cleanup/generalization I had been working on included in this, a pre-requisite, or irrelevant? | 16:10 |
| andreas_s | rkukura, it is a pre-req | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | got it - so we have some work to do ;) | 16:11 |
| andreas_s | so we should get that going again, yes | 16:11 |
| andreas_s | one question is, if we should only have one rfe for all this stuff? | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | I’ll do my best to carefully review the spec in the next day or two | 16:11 |
| andreas_s | now it's very distributed. like there's the database bug, the rfe I opened, the macvtap bug,.. | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s : link to the rfe? | 16:12 |
| andreas_s | and probaly the segment stuff which might correlate? | 16:12 |
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| rkukura | I think generally one RFE and spec can encompass a whole series of development patches | 16:12 |
| andreas_s | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1567792 | 16:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1567792 in openstack-manuals "Mitaka Configuration Reference Nework section is missing ML2 parameters" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Andreas Scheuring (andreas-scheuring) | 16:12 |
| andreas_s | ups | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s: thanks | 16:12 |
| andreas_s | #undo | 16:13 |
| andreas_s | #links https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1580880 | 16:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580880 in neutron "[RFE] Distributed Portbinding for all port types" [Wishlist,New] | 16:13 |
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| andreas_s | but we can determine that on the way down.... it'S only about tracking | 16:13 |
| rkukura | andreas_s: thanks | 16:14 |
| andreas_s | my biggest worry is to get the database refactoring going... | 16:14 |
| andreas_s | rkukura, do you have a proposal how to proceede there? | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | andreas_s : make sure to speak with HenryG regarding database refactoring and the backward compatibility | 16:15 |
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| andreas_s | Sukhdev, good point, thanks | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | andreas_s: Not yet. I may be able to work on those old patches myself, and if not, could certainly advize | 16:15 |
| andreas_s | rkukura, so what I could do is just commit the current state of the refactoring | 16:16 |
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| andreas_s | rkukura, and then we could have a look together or so... | 16:16 |
| rkukura | I agree that sort of DB work is best done early in the cycle | 16:16 |
| rkukura | andreas_s: Did you succeed in the rebasing, or give up? | 16:16 |
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| rkukura | I recall I was going to look for a repo with my finer grained patches | 16:17 |
| andreas_s | rkukura, the unittests still do not succeed | 16:17 |
| rkukura | Lets try to make some progress on this over the next week and see where we are next Wednesday | 16:17 |
| andreas_s | rkukura, I'm out next week, so we have 2 weeks :) | 16:17 |
| rkukura | OK | 16:17 |
| andreas_s | but I'll upload my status quo and comment where I think the problem is | 16:18 |
| rkukura | Great | 16:18 |
| andreas_s | maybe you'll find it in a minute... | 16:18 |
| rkukura | OK - lets followup out-of-band | 16:18 |
| andreas_s | rkukura, yup | 16:18 |
| andreas_s | thanks guys! | 16:18 |
| rkukura | Anything else on this topic? | 16:19 |
| andreas_s | not from my side | 16:19 |
| yamamoto | nothing from me | 16:19 |
| rkukura | Do we have any updates to discuss on routed networks? I think the email thread was started, but I have not read it yet | 16:19 |
| rkukura | If not, we should revisit that next week | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | Anything anyone would like to discuss today? | 16:20 |
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| yamamoto | i have nothing | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | nothing from me | 16:21 |
| rkukura | If not, I’m happy to wrap this up early today! | 16:21 |
| rkukura | last call… | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | works for me | 16:21 |
| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 16:21 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 16:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 16:21:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-05-18-16.03.html | 16:21 |
| yamamoto | bye | 16:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-05-18-16.03.txt | 16:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-05-18-16.03.log.html | 16:21 |
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| andreas_s | bye! | 16:21 |
| rkukura | bye | 16:21 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 17:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
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| mugsie | so, whos here? | 17:00 |
| pglass | o/ | 17:01 |
| mugsie | timsim: Kiall federico3 elarson ping | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | o/ | 17:01 |
| mugsie | rsyed: | 17:01 |
| mugsie | Kiall: we need 4 weeks for the backports btw :P | 17:02 |
| Kiall | was just checking how many ;) | 17:02 |
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| timsim | o/ | 17:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Announcements | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | API-Ref docs have started to get worked on | 17:02 |
| rsyed2 | o/ | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | #link http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/dns | 17:03 |
| mugsie | will have them in a few hours hopefully | 17:03 |
| federico3 | o/ | 17:03 |
| mugsie | #topic Action items | 17:03 |
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| elarson | o/ | 17:03 |
| mugsie | mugsie to do stable bp for 4 weeks | 17:03 |
| mugsie | well, that was delegated :P | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | #topic Bug Triaged | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | timsim: | 17:04 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1581090 | 17:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1581090 in Designate " Expose /v2/recordsets api endpoint" [Undecided,New] | 17:04 |
| timsim | looks like it was auto-filed to make sure we write docs? | 17:04 |
| mugsie | yeap | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | there is docs afaik? | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | I know there is API-Ref docs anyway :P | 17:05 |
| Kiall | mugsie's got it covered in the API docs too | 17:05 |
| mugsie | fix released | 17:05 |
| timsim | k | 17:05 |
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| timsim | That's it :) (there's one that I forgot to respond to last week, will do that now | 17:05 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | quiet bug week | 17:06 |
| mugsie | #topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring) | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/497560/ | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | as usual, take a few to nominate backports | 17:06 |
| Kiall | 4 weeeks work.. So.. tis a tad long | 17:06 |
| mugsie | ca7ffba Support both olso.m v4 and v5 ? | 17:06 |
| mugsie | did that go back? | 17:06 |
| federico3 | ed51f49 Ensure services shutdown during unit testing ? | 17:07 |
| timsim | mugsie yeah | 17:07 |
| timsim | https://github.com/openstack/designate/commits/stable/mitaka | 17:07 |
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| rsyed2 | 699468c DevStack: Allow disabling of API versions | 17:08 |
| rsyed2 | ? | 17:08 |
| Kiall | federico3: I dunno, it wasn't the CI issue in the end.. so, probably not give it's test only changes and not 100% needed | 17:08 |
| Kiall | rsyed2: I believe that went back already | 17:08 |
| rsyed2 | cool | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | yep - it did :) | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | (was needed to get tempest going against stable/mitaka | 17:08 |
| federico3 | Kiall: do you think it mitigated the CI issues in part? | 17:08 |
| rsyed2 | ah | 17:08 |
| Kiall | federico3: I don't think it had an effect in the end | 17:09 |
| Kiall | 7ee8501 Merge "Allow api_export_size to be updated" | 17:09 |
| mugsie | api change | 17:09 |
| mugsie | so, not without an exception | 17:09 |
| Kiall | True... | 17:10 |
| Kiall | then - nothing to BP? | 17:10 |
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| mugsie | I dont think so | 17:10 |
| * Kiall doesn't believe that | 17:10 | |
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| mugsie | we have been pretty good with proposing to all brnachs recently | 17:10 |
| timsim | nice | 17:10 |
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| mugsie | anyone else see any potential commits? | 17:11 |
| mugsie | or are we good to move on? | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | actually. CI fix | 17:11 |
| federico3 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1550441 ? | 17:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1550441 in Designate "SerializationMiddleware: rrset can be None" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Federico Ceratto (federico-ceratto) | 17:11 |
| Kiall | that didn't go back, but somehow isn't causing an issue/ | 17:12 |
| Kiall | it was 96de5c139bcccf6cc6314bc9a8c579b996f2cb27 | 17:12 |
| Kiall | https://github.com/openstack/designate/commit/96de5c139bcccf6cc6314bc9a8c579b996f2cb27 | 17:12 |
| mugsie | federico3: what commit was that? | 17:12 |
| Kiall | (I use the word "fix" loosly) | 17:12 |
| Kiall | federico3's one was https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/designate/commit/?id=4bc65992ce98e1146803ec6befdb87315bd61b1b | 17:12 |
| federico3 | 4bc6599 Fix rrset serialization, improve mdns tests | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | The refactor scares me ;) | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | It's really too big to backport at 6 files changed, 274 insertions, 44 deletions | 17:13 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:13 |
| federico3 | we can backport only teh fix | 17:13 |
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| mugsie | if we can get just the fix extracted, maybe. | 17:14 |
| mugsie | but, it is not a clean backport / cherry-pick | 17:14 |
| Kiall | possibly - hard to know without seeing it | 17:14 |
| mugsie | so, it is not ideal | 17:15 |
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| federico3 | OTOH the impact of the bug is not huge | 17:15 |
| mugsie | yeah, we may be better leaving it be | 17:15 |
| mugsie | opinions? | 17:16 |
| Kiall | We're probably OK to leave it, and can re-eval later if people are hitting it | 17:16 |
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| timsim | That ^ | 17:16 |
| mugsie | OK, if there is no disent, we should leave it | 17:16 |
| mugsie | ok | 17:16 |
| federico3 | if some user ping us on the bug report in future we can backport it | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | I have 2 items | 17:17 |
| * Kiall has 1 too | 17:17 | |
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| mugsie | one - we are about to EOL Kilo | 17:17 |
| Kiall | :) | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | so, if there is any vital backports, they need to be done now | 17:17 |
| timsim | bye felicia | 17:17 |
| mugsie | (like in the next few hours) | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | 2 - Requrements Updates. I suggest that we just +2+W them | 17:18 |
| mugsie | as long as they pass gate | 17:18 |
| mugsie | (i.e. no need for 2 cores) | 17:18 |
| Kiall | ++ - translation updates too | 17:18 |
| mugsie | yup - good point | 17:18 |
| mugsie | but I think they may be a thing of the past? | 17:18 |
| timsim | Seems legit | 17:18 |
| mugsie | need to go look at the new service | 17:18 |
| Kiall | True, haven't seen them in a while | 17:18 |
| mugsie | everyone OK with that? | 17:19 |
| mugsie | if not speak now :) | 17:19 |
| timsim | I think that's a good idea | 17:19 |
| mugsie | #info Bot Patches only require one core to review from now on | 17:19 |
| mugsie | and one last item - | 17:19 |
| elarson | +1 | 17:19 |
| mugsie | I am on vacation from Friday morn | 17:20 |
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| mugsie | Kiall is my nominated "emergancy" stand in | 17:20 |
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| mugsie | for releases etc | 17:20 |
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| elarson | +1 | 17:20 |
| Kiall | what's an emergancy? ;) | 17:20 |
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| elarson | Lol | 17:21 |
| timsim | It's depricated, don't worry about it | 17:21 |
| mugsie | a lack of spell check | 17:21 |
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| Kiall | Wasn't it dipricated? :D | 17:21 |
| mugsie | damn word didnt auto complete | 17:21 |
| rsyed2 | dipricated i thought | 17:21 |
| Kiall | lol | 17:21 |
| timsim | something something writing on the wall | 17:21 |
| Kiall | timsim: highfive | 17:21 |
| timsim | #neverforget | 17:21 |
| mugsie | peeing in a flood | 17:21 |
| elarson | Derprercerte | 17:21 |
| timsim | mugsie: lol | 17:22 |
| timsim | ANYWAY | 17:22 |
| Kiall | Ok - FYI re Tempest - We're now using master of designate-tempest-plugin as a gate on stable/mitaka, and have a gate on master of designate-tempest-plugin that tests against stable/mitaka of designate. This means we forced to avoid making breaking API changes (at least for stuff covered by tempest).... | 17:22 |
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| Kiall | New APIs etc require a small dance in order to test with tempest, you must A) have a config flag in tempest defaulting to off... and then B) you must update our devstack plugin to set the option to True so the tests run on the master etc | 17:23 |
| mugsie | 👍 | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316649/ is a good example of where this is needed | 17:23 |
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| timsim | Seems easy enough. Could we not get to a point with the tests that they cover Mitaka and explicitly check out that point in the mitaka gate? | 17:24 |
| Kiall | the /v2/recordsets endpoint is in master, but not mitaka - so the *-mitaka jobs failed.. | 17:24 |
| mugsie | timsim: tempest is branchless | 17:24 |
| mugsie | I.e. it should run on all versions of the API, with some features disabled | 17:24 |
| Kiall | timsim: that means you can make breaking changes in Newton and update the tests without them exploding ;) | 17:24 |
| mugsie | it stops us breaking APIs in N for people who use M | 17:25 |
| timsim | Alright, makes sense. | 17:25 |
| Kiall | If we had microversions, like some of the other projects, conf flags aren't needed.. | 17:25 |
| mugsie | it makes some dev slower, but much better for people who actually use our stuff | 17:25 |
| Kiall | but that's a problem for another year | 17:25 |
| * mugsie will never implement nova style microversions | 17:25 | |
| Kiall | Anyway - Just FYI in case anyone hits it and is wondering what's going on | 17:26 |
| mugsie | any other topics? | 17:26 |
| mugsie | goign once | 17:26 |
| mugsie | twice | 17:26 |
| Kiall | Not from me | 17:26 |
| timsim | I'm good | 17:27 |
| rsyed2 | nope | 17:27 |
| mugsie | timsim: no your not :P | 17:27 |
| timsim | oh wait | 17:27 |
| timsim | review the worker model :) | 17:27 |
| timsim | i wasn't, actually | 17:27 |
| mugsie | I knew | 17:27 |
| mugsie | ok - everyone enjoy the 30 mins back | 17:27 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 17:27:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-05-18-17.00.html | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-05-18-17.00.txt | 17:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-05-18-17.00.log.html | 17:27 |
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| amrith | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 18:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:00 | |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:00 |
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| cp16net | howdy | 18:00 |
| mvandijk | O/ | 18:00 |
| dloi | o/ | 18:00 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:00 |
| amrith | 'owdy cp16net | 18:00 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | let's give people 1 minute to trickle in | 18:02 |
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| amrith | ok, let's get started | 18:02 |
| pmalik | ./ | 18:02 |
| amrith | #topic Action items from last week's meeting | 18:03 |
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| amrith | there are none ... we finished them off last week (during the meeting) | 18:03 |
| amrith | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:03 |
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| amrith | #link http://bit.ly/1VQyg00 | 18:03 |
| amrith | #link https://gist.github.com/amrith/abab5d5553864b1562d7c99ab88351fc | 18:03 |
| amrith | Good progress on the reviews this past week | 18:04 |
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| amrith | the number of open reviews (backlog) reduced slightly | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | o/ | 18:04 |
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| amrith | hi SlickNik | 18:04 |
| dougshelley66 | seems like a good trend | 18:04 |
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| amrith | yes, it was a move in the right direction, i think. | 18:05 |
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| amrith | I know that there were several changes I wanted merged in stable/mitaka that got merged | 18:05 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:05 |
| amrith | and that contributed (positively) to the reduction in #open reviews | 18:05 |
| amrith | hi vgnbkr | 18:05 |
| amrith | anyone have other things to add on this subject? | 18:06 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:06 |
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| amrith | . | 18:07 |
| amrith | let's try and keep the momentum going this week | 18:07 |
| amrith | there are still a good number of open reviews | 18:08 |
| amrith | and a fair number in need of review at this point | 18:08 |
| amrith | #topic Announcements | 18:08 |
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| amrith | I didn't have any, wasn't sure if others had anything that they'd like to add | 18:08 |
| amrith | hearing nonw | 18:09 |
| amrith | none | 18:09 |
| pmackinn | amrith, any updates on newton mid-cycle plan? | 18:09 |
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| amrith | pmackinn, haven't got any | 18:09 |
| pmackinn | k | 18:09 |
| amrith | other than the time and place | 18:09 |
| amrith | I've seen other projects put out google-docs or other sign up mechanisms | 18:10 |
| amrith | for their mid-cycles in July | 18:10 |
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| amrith | so I figured I have abotu a month :) | 18:10 |
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| amrith | I'll get more details in the next couple of weeks. | 18:10 |
| amrith | #topic Specs that are up for review | 18:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs that are up for review (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:10 | |
| amrith | So, there are a couple on the agenda today | 18:10 |
| amrith | I see 3 | 18:11 |
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| amrith | so in the interest of time, I'm going to suggest that we try and spend about 15m each | 18:11 |
| amrith | it is now 2:11, I'll keep time | 18:11 |
| amrith | vkmc, you're up first | 18:11 |
| amrith | with RPC API Versioning https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315079/ | 18:11 |
| amrith | #topic RPC API Versioning https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315079/ | 18:11 |
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| amrith | all yours vkmc | 18:11 |
| vkmc | thanks amrith | 18:11 |
| vkmc | so the RPC API Versioning spec proposes adding independent versioning for Trove components | 18:12 |
| vkmc | so operators can perform upgrades as they see fit without the need of taking all the services down | 18:13 |
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| vkmc | there were a few questions that I replied earlier today | 18:13 |
| vkmc | is there any other question or comment? | 18:13 |
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| vkmc | do somebody want to talk about a specific question in particular? | 18:13 |
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| amrith | i do but I'll wait to see if others have anything to say first. | 18:14 |
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| pmackinn | vkmc, do we have a reference from other projects? | 18:14 |
| vkmc | pmackinn, we do, this has been implemented already in many defcore projects | 18:14 |
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| vkmc | pmackinn, and AFAIK Sahara was moving towards that path as well | 18:14 |
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| johnma | So vkmc, there is a spec already out for instance upgrades. Does this overlap with that in any way? | 18:15 |
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| vkmc | johnma, not so much, the instance upgrades aims to cover guestagent/os/database upgrades | 18:15 |
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| amrith | but isn't a guestagent part of the versioning API that you propose here? | 18:17 |
| vkmc | johnma, the rpc api versioning one aims to guarantee operators that they can perform upgrades for different components in trove with no downtime | 18:17 |
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| vkmc | amrith, yes, but you will upgrade to a new version of the guestagent using the method provided by the instance upgrades feature | 18:17 |
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| amrith | but how then does a guest agent know what version it should run at? | 18:18 |
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| dougshelley66 | vkmc i'm still not clear how the taskmanager (for example) knows which version of the message to send to the guest | 18:18 |
| amrith | how do you intend to communicate the pin to a guestagent? | 18:18 |
| amrith | dougshelley66, ++ | 18:18 |
| vkmc | amrith, in the configuration of the guestagent that would be | 18:19 |
| pmackinn | could go into guest_info, no? | 18:19 |
| amrith | which is why I think johnma's question is an interesting thing. | 18:19 |
| vkmc | it is interesting indeed :) | 18:19 |
| dougshelley66 | so you have a new TM and a running (i.e. old) guest | 18:19 |
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| dougshelley66 | some one runs say backup_create | 18:19 |
| dougshelley66 | which let's say has some new api in the new TM | 18:19 |
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| dougshelley66 | how does the TM know that it can't send that new message to the old guest | 18:20 |
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| amrith | i.e discovery | 18:20 |
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| amrith | and that part of it isn't related to upgrade (of the guest) | 18:20 |
| vkmc | so that would be a major upgrade... if it's a breaking change | 18:21 |
| amrith | the question is in general, how does a participant know what version(s) another participant will understand. | 18:21 |
| amrith | anyway, as a time check. it has been 10m. | 18:22 |
| vkmc | if there is a breaking change we need to perform controls over the version to "translate" the message accordingly | 18:22 |
| pmackinn | 1.0 == unknown version | 18:22 |
| amrith | one of my concerns about this spec is that we describe a software mechanism but don't describe how it will be used. | 18:22 |
| amrith | therefore it is hard to evaluate the specification. | 18:22 |
| vkmc | fair enough, let me add details about this | 18:22 |
| amrith | put differently, the specs says you will add versions to messages. taht's true | 18:22 |
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| vkmc | agree | 18:23 |
| amrith | but without knowing how others will deal with the version, or react to it, or how operators will use it, or how it will be operationalized in an upgrade (rolling or otherwise) it is hard to provide any feedback. | 18:23 |
| amrith | that was the intent of my meta comments. | 18:23 |
| vkmc | yeah, that's true | 18:23 |
| amrith | also pmackinn's point, about references, I'd provided a list of references that relate to this subject. | 18:23 |
| vkmc | will add some examples of this in a new draft | 18:23 |
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| amrith | some are more detailed than this spec, others provide directions that are contrary to this spec. | 18:23 |
| vkmc | which reference are you referring to? | 18:24 |
| pmackinn | foiled again by the damn guestagent | 18:24 |
| amrith | for example, your observation that when a requirement is bumped you do't need to bump version flies in the face of our observation with oslo.context. | 18:24 |
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| amrith | because that object is part of an rpc message. | 18:24 |
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| amrith | vkmc, please see my comment | 18:24 |
| amrith | May 13 10:29 AM | 18:24 |
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| vkmc | checking it now | 18:25 |
| vgnbkr | For any of this to work, implementing versioning for oslo_messaging is a necessary precondition. Why don't we just do that first, then move on from there? | 18:25 |
| amrith | so, since we're about to timeout here, what are the action items? | 18:25 |
| amrith | vgnbkr, would you add that comment to the review please. | 18:25 |
| vgnbkr | OK. | 18:26 |
| amrith | it is a very important thing that I guess I've alluded to but never articulated as succinctly | 18:26 |
| amrith | thanks | 18:26 |
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| amrith | johnma, what action items or other comments do you have at this stage. | 18:26 |
| amrith | anybody else ... please put comments in the spec | 18:26 |
| amrith | or vkmc, should they wait for a new version? | 18:26 |
| amrith | thx vgnbkr | 18:27 |
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| vkmc | please add all the questions/concerns in the current version and I'll address those | 18:27 |
| amrith | thanks vkmc | 18:27 |
| johnma | I will add my comments in the spec amrith | 18:27 |
| vkmc | thanks amrith | 18:27 |
| amrith | thanks johnma, before we move on, anything further to add from anyone | 18:27 |
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| amrith | ok, peterstac, you are up. [peterstac] Locality https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298994/ ... 15 minutes | 18:28 |
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| amrith | #topic [peterstac] Locality https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298994/ | 18:28 |
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| peterstac | I think I've addressed all the concerns on the spec online | 18:28 |
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| peterstac | Just wanted to know if there was anything else | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | vkmc / amrith: FWIW this has come up before, but was incomplete. | 18:28 |
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| SlickNik | dan had some notes here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove-rpc-versioning | 18:29 |
| vkmc | SlickNik, yeah I'm aware :) | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove-rpc-versioning | 18:29 |
| vkmc | thanks for the link | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | np — sorry peterstac — moving on. | 18:29 |
| peterstac | SlickNik, np ;) | 18:29 |
| amrith | peterstac, I haven't looked recently but did you change the command line argument to --hint? | 18:30 |
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| amrith | I hope it is still --locality | 18:30 |
| peterstac | no, since it's only a hint when it gets sent to Nova | 18:30 |
| tellesnobrega | peterstac, I just comment on the spec, looks fine by me | 18:31 |
| peterstac | I saw that tellesnobrega, thx! | 18:31 |
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| tellesnobrega | i can't speak for flavio and he is probably going to review tomorrow or friday | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | but seems like it is good to go | 18:31 |
| amrith | peterstac, we may have talked about this already but so apologies. did you answer the question re: database change? | 18:32 |
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| amrith | I see the answer. thanks | 18:32 |
| peterstac | I added it to the 'alternatives' section as an option | 18:32 |
| peterstac | I still think that unless we see an obvious performance issue that we should let Nova track it, not us | 18:33 |
| amrith | I will re-read and I think (based on my last reading) +2 | 18:33 |
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| amrith | that's all I had, thanks peterstac | 18:34 |
| peterstac | ok, thx | 18:34 |
| amrith | i believe that you've addressed all the comments that flavio raised. pmackinn you had some questions at summit, right? | 18:35 |
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| pmackinn | amrith, uh i'm good | 18:35 |
| amrith | anybody else ... | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | peterstac: so the creation of the server group is internal and not dictated by the user of the feature (at least for now)? | 18:36 |
| peterstac | right | 18:36 |
| peterstac | we manage that all under-the-covers | 18:36 |
| peterstac | (like secgroups) | 18:36 |
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| SlickNik | okay , cool | 18:37 |
| amrith | #action [all] review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298994/5 | 18:37 |
| amrith | peterstac, anything else you'd like to add | 18:37 |
| peterstac | no, I think I'm good | 18:37 |
| amrith | ok, anyone else ... | 18:37 |
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| amrith | #topic Persist Error Messages https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313780/ | 18:38 |
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| amrith | peterstac, you are up (15m) | 18:38 |
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| peterstac | This one has one remaining issue afaik - should we return/save a stack trace in the fault info | 18:38 |
| peterstac | (There was another concern about security, but I think that belongs on the notification impl if it exists) | 18:39 |
| peterstac | Right now we return a message and the stack trace | 18:39 |
| peterstac | There's a concern that some OPs don't want end-users seeing stack traces (and I understand that) | 18:39 |
| amrith | As a point of reference peterstac what does Nova do (WWND?) | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | maybe, we could conditionally return the stack trace if the caller is an admin? | 18:39 |
| peterstac | that's what I suggested on the spec, but it's recent so I haven't seen any feedback yet | 18:40 |
| peterstac | would everyone be ok with that? | 18:40 |
| amrith | I wouldn't, not until I know what the precedent is. | 18:40 |
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| SlickNik | not sure what nova does — I've seen stack traces before, but I'm not sure they're still doing it. | 18:41 |
| amrith | they still do | 18:41 |
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| amrith | saw them last week, was very helpful | 18:41 |
| amrith | (helped figure out that nova was out of quota, and what quota thing nova puked on) | 18:41 |
| peterstac | I see them sometimes and sometimes not - maybe they're doing the same thing so that only admin sees stack traces? | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | I suspect it might be only admin — would be good to find out for sure. | 18:42 |
| peterstac | ah, amrith, with this feature Trove will show you that :D | 18:42 |
| amrith | ok, so are we agreed that admin's will see a stack trace? if so, will the stack trace be sanitized with mask_password() | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | peterstac: ++ have had to take a look at the logs too many times to only find that. | 18:42 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: I think it's probably a good idea | 18:43 |
| peterstac | amrith, that was my point - since I'm persisting the notification messages, if there's a prob we should fix it there | 18:44 |
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| amrith | ok so let me say it this way | 18:44 |
| peterstac | (i.e. out of scope of this spec) | 18:44 |
| amrith | #agreed that we will persist stack traces and only show them to admins | 18:44 |
| peterstac | ok, done | 18:45 |
| amrith | #agreed that we will sanitize the stack traces and error messages that we persist using mask_password | 18:45 |
| SlickNik | ++ | 18:45 |
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| amrith | anything further on these? | 18:45 |
| peterstac | what about notifications, then? | 18:45 |
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| amrith | I would do the same thing | 18:46 |
| amrith | unless you feel that it will make the notifications less useful | 18:46 |
| amrith | I don't think it will | 18:46 |
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| amrith | didn't the notifications change merge or am I thinking of something else? | 18:46 |
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| peterstac | yes it merged | 18:47 |
| peterstac | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227870/ | 18:47 |
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| amrith | so what was the question :) | 18:48 |
| peterstac | But there would only be a problem with a password, etc. if someone printed it out in a log message | 18:48 |
| peterstac | (hopefully we'd catch that in review) | 18:48 |
| amrith | mask_password() tries to catch those | 18:49 |
| amrith | but it is a best effort ... | 18:49 |
| peterstac | a stack trace shouldn't ever have anything sensitive ... | 18:49 |
| amrith | famous last words. | 18:49 |
| vgnbkr | If anyone printed a password in a LOG/exception message, the review would have caught it, right? | 18:49 |
| amrith | s/would/should/ | 18:50 |
| amrith | anything else to add on this spec? | 18:50 |
| amrith | peterstac, before we move on, anything else to add? | 18:50 |
| amrith | johnma, vkmc, cp16net, SlickNik, you ok with this (modulo anything else you find as you review) | 18:51 |
| amrith | same question for the previous specs as well | 18:51 |
| peterstac | nope, I'll push up another patchset shortly | 18:51 |
| peterstac | thx! | 18:51 |
| cp16net | i like the idea of the error message like nova :) | 18:51 |
| amrith | sounds good. thanks peterstac | 18:52 |
| amrith | #topic Open Discussion | 18:52 |
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| amrith | I had a quick one ... | 18:52 |
| amrith | I will be cutting a new trove release | 18:52 |
| amrith | so far I've tagged the server and the client | 18:52 |
| amrith | I need to also tag the dashboard | 18:52 |
| amrith | this is somewhat urgent for mitaka | 18:53 |
| amrith | since keystoneclient released 3.0.0 | 18:53 |
| amrith | and that causes some grief for mitaka | 18:53 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318191/1 | 18:53 |
| amrith | if anyone wants to see what I'm talking about | 18:53 |
| amrith | that's all I had | 18:54 |
| amrith | anyone else have anything for Open Discussion | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | amrith / peterstac: good with the error messages (comment from above) | 18:54 |
| amrith | thx SlickNik | 18:54 |
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| amrith | hearing none ... | 18:55 |
| amrith | ... #endmeeting? | 18:55 |
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| amrith | #endmeeting | 18:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 18:56:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-05-18-18.00.html | 18:56 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-05-18-18.00.txt | 18:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-05-18-18.00.log.html | 18:56 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks all | 18:56 |
| vkmc | thanks! | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | thanks all! | 18:56 |
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| pmackinn | buh bye | 18:56 |
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| amrith | have a good day everyone. | 18:56 |
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| cp16net | thx | 18:58 |
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| fnaval | o/ | 19:58 |
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| Frito | it's not that time yet fnaval ;-) | 19:59 |
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| fnaval | i just wanted to be first | 19:59 |
| fnaval | lol | 19:59 |
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| TrevorV | o/ | 19:59 |
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| fnaval | alway forget if it's this one or the non alt meeting channel | 19:59 |
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| TrevorV | Its this one homie :D | 20:00 |
| fnaval | always* | 20:00 |
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| dougwig | #startmeeting octavia | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 20:01:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| Frito | fnaval: You're on. But first after the openmeeting call is what you're looking for. YOu went before the green light | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:01 |
| Frito | hey | 20:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:01 |
| fnaval | o/ | 20:01 |
| fnaval | =) | 20:01 |
| Frito | hahahahaha. first by complete chance | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | Looks like this meeting is going to be super organized, and totally useful :P | 20:01 |
| blogan | hi | 20:01 |
| dougwig | we have no agenda, since trevor reminded me of this meeting 1 minute ago, and i am horrible. | 20:02 |
| dougwig | #topic Announcements | 20:02 |
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| dougwig | any announcements today? | 20:02 |
| blogan | i have none | 20:03 |
| dougwig | right, then. | 20:03 |
| dougwig | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:03 |
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| TrevorV | I still need reviews on the following: | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306084/ | 20:03 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257201/ | 20:03 |
| evgenyf | hi | 20:03 |
| fnaval | likewise: | 20:03 |
| fnaval | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305525/ | 20:03 |
| fnaval | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306182/ | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | The single-create in neutron lbaas is looking really solid now, thanks to ptoohill | 20:03 |
| fnaval | those have +2's already | 20:04 |
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| dougwig | fnaval: how much time do those add to our jobs, and which jobs? | 20:04 |
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| blogan | TrevorV: you said that a month ago | 20:04 |
| fnaval | those shouldn't affect the current jobs | 20:04 |
| perelman | hi | 20:04 |
| madhu_ak | o/ | 20:04 |
| TrevorV | blogan I never thanked ptoohill a month ago, quit bein so cynical and help review, you lazy core o_0 | 20:04 |
| dougwig | fnaval: then what do they affect? | 20:05 |
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| fnaval | since they're only functional tests | 20:05 |
| rm_work | fnaval: what did you actually change on my review? lol | 20:05 |
| fnaval | it looks like we only run the scenario tests | 20:05 |
| ptoohill | :P | 20:05 |
| blogan | core reviewers are supposed to review? | 20:05 |
| dougwig | fnaval: so we're merging tests that don't get run? | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | One more review that could use some attention: (thanks dougwig) | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314665/ | 20:05 |
| rm_work | ah you added a closes-bug | 20:05 |
| fnaval | i leave it up to individual groups/companies if they want to run the functional tests sepearately. but the functional tests aren't part of gate | 20:05 |
| rm_work | they should be EVENTUALLY | 20:05 |
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| fnaval | Long term plan though, is to get the functional tests to run faster and in parallel - it's going to require some refactoring of the fixtures | 20:06 |
| rm_work | but we need to get them in there, then add the job for them | 20:06 |
| rm_work | then make sure it's stable, then gate on it | 20:06 |
| rm_work | there's a .... process | 20:06 |
| dougwig | what's to keep them from rotting? | 20:06 |
| dougwig | is there an experimental job? | 20:06 |
| rm_work | well there can't be an experimental job until there's something there for it to run, can there? | 20:06 |
| blogan | those tests get run | 20:06 |
| * dougwig is confused. | 20:07 | |
| fnaval | I'd like at least the functional smoke tests to run in gate and run in parallel/concurrently | 20:07 |
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| fnaval | yeah what rm_work said | 20:07 |
| rm_work | there are NEW tests aren't they? | 20:07 |
| rm_work | err | 20:07 |
| rm_work | *these are | 20:07 |
| rm_work | completely new tests I thought | 20:07 |
| blogan | the gate-neutron-lbaasv2-dsvm-* jobs run those tests | 20:07 |
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| perelman | hi all, i am new here, so sorry i dont know how i am supposed to raise things for discussion... hope the protocol is not too difficult :) | 20:08 |
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| blogan | perelman: there will be an open discussion at the end of the meeting | 20:08 |
| fnaval | blogan: ah, so that doesn't run the scenario - dsvm runs functional? | 20:08 |
| Frito | perelman: There will be a topic change to open discussoin | 20:08 |
| dougwig | perelman: just shout it out, but preferably in open discussion | 20:08 |
| rm_work | perelman: we have an agenda (theoretically) and then open discussion for stuff not added to the agenda ahead of time | 20:08 |
| rm_work | that said, we are pretty freeform :P | 20:08 |
| blogan | perelman: you got some good help there | 20:08 |
| dougwig | alright, i'm too confused to continue with progress reports, a sign we are doing it right. | 20:09 |
| madhu_ak | all the api functional tests are running at the gate using noop driver | 20:09 |
| rm_work | hmm ok | 20:09 |
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| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 20:09 |
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| rm_work | then i guess they are being run now? :P | 20:09 |
| fnaval | ah ok thanks madhu_ak | 20:09 |
| dougwig | perelman: welcome | 20:09 |
| perelman | i am from ibm and we have a blueprint that is pending for reviews for N+1 LoadBalancer in Octavia project | 20:09 |
| * rm_work is also confused | 20:09 | |
| Frito | Re: billing. A group of us were talking and wondering how much billing stuff is reallly needed upstream since pretty much everyones billing process is going to be customized. Also, Neutron LBaaS doesn't really have any billing stuff in the codebase I'm told. In that light do we really want any billing framework in the upstream Octavia codebase? | 20:09 |
| perelman | today i have pushed two initial commits to gerrit for review as well | 20:09 |
| rm_work | perelman: ah hey, you're from the IBM active/active team :P welcome | 20:09 |
| TrevorV | perelman can you give us a link? Use "#link <link>" as the message and it'll get logged | 20:10 |
| rm_work | did I meet you at the summit? | 20:10 |
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| blogan | lets take one topic at a time | 20:10 |
| fnaval | yeah they did the flowershop demo - pretty cool | 20:10 |
| perelman | ok, will wait for the discussion. sorry for the noise :) | 20:11 |
| rm_work | nah, this IS the discussion | 20:11 |
| blogan | perelman: you go first | 20:11 |
| TrevorV | perelman you're in open discussion now homie, have at it :D | 20:11 |
| blogan | Frito: you go after | 20:11 |
| rm_work | we just need to figure out who's talking | 20:11 |
| * Frito has two things. | 20:11 | |
| rm_work | take-charge blogan is here today ^_^ | 20:11 |
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| TrevorV | Frito quantity is not quality... OOOOH BURN | 20:12 |
| blogan | perelman: can you paste a link? | 20:12 |
| dougwig | i had a question about this one, which seems correct, but i have a funny feeling that port 0 might be used by some for special things: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311631/ | 20:12 |
| Frito | yea, take me to the burn ward.</monotone> | 20:12 |
| blogan | and there goes dougwig off on another topic | 20:12 |
| dougwig | ok, then, active/active. go. | 20:13 |
| perelman | "#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234639" - this is the link to the Blue print | 20:13 |
| dougwig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234639 | 20:13 |
| TrevorV | Yeah, sorry perelman I meant just what was in quotes, like dougwig did above. My fault :) | 20:14 |
| blogan | perelman: are you calling out for reviews, or do you have a questiona bout it? | 20:14 |
| perelman | "#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313006/" - NoopDriver for distributor (entity that should distribute requests among amphorae) | 20:14 |
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| perelman | ok :) | 20:15 |
| perelman | sorry | 20:15 |
| bana_k | blogan: there are no any new reviews for the new patches. | 20:15 |
| dougwig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313006/ | 20:15 |
| Frito | Don't be sorry. We're trying to figure out what you're asking or requesting. | 20:15 |
| dougwig | ^^ are you calling attention to the reviews, or do you need to discuss anything? | 20:16 |
| blogan | perelman: ^^ | 20:16 |
| perelman | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317629/2 | 20:16 |
| bana_k | so we need to get the blueprint reviewed and approved so that we can go ahead with coding and all | 20:16 |
| bana_k | calling attention for the review :) | 20:16 |
| perelman | the last one is the nitial distributor driver | 20:16 |
| rm_work | I'm not married to BPs | 20:16 |
| rm_work | but yeah | 20:16 |
| bana_k | hehehe | 20:16 |
| rm_work | getting it updated and merged would be nice | 20:16 |
| dougwig | does active/active still pull in heat and ceilometer? | 20:16 |
| blogan | well in this case the bp is nice | 20:16 |
| rm_work | but if the code is there then it's there and i'll look at it, the BP just might help me know what i'm looking at | 20:17 |
| bana_k | oh thats awesome. | 20:17 |
| perelman | no, we now work on static N+1 | 20:17 |
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| perelman | initial version is without elasticity | 20:17 |
| dougwig | ok, reviews are up, lets get them some eyes. | 20:17 |
| dougwig | next up, billing. go. | 20:18 |
| Frito | yea | 20:18 |
| Frito | Re: billing. A group of us were talking and wondering how much billing stuff is reallly needed upstream since pretty much everyones billing process is going to be customized. Also, Neutron LBaaS doesn't really have any billing stuff in the codebase I'm told. In that light do we really want any billing framework in the upstream Octavia codebase? | 20:18 |
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| perelman | thanks :)))) | 20:18 |
| blogan | Frito: my initial idea has been that octavia would gather metrics and shunt them off to some pluggable layer | 20:19 |
| dougwig | i'm not hearing a lot of desire for billing being included. | 20:19 |
| dougwig | there we go, he waits until the last second. | 20:19 |
| Frito | blogan: yea, the data is being captured. | 20:19 |
| Frito | just the aggregation and other parts would be non upstream :-) | 20:19 |
| blogan | where's it currently being captured, on the controller right? | 20:20 |
| Frito | I'm thinking there's going to be enough differences in each groups billing implementations that having a common / core set of code would be difficult and more cumbersom to each group than is really worth it. | 20:20 |
| rm_work | basically, the heartbeat table | 20:20 |
| TrevorV | blogan its through the heartbeat mechanism. | 20:20 |
| Frito | Right now the heart beats | 20:20 |
| blogan | which is on the controller, well most likely | 20:20 |
| TrevorV | Its in the o-hm | 20:20 |
| blogan | which usually will reside on the controller | 20:21 |
| Frito | Right. And o-hm should be very lean / quick | 20:21 |
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| Frito | but the aggregation / pushing to whatever billing system in each corporation would slow that heartbeat stuff down. Probably considerably considering the scales that can be run. | 20:21 |
| blogan | so shouldn't that piece do the aggregation then by listener? | 20:22 |
| rm_work | yeah honestly i think a lot of people ALREADY have their billing stuff started / completed | 20:22 |
| blogan | or are you worried some people may want stats by amphora? | 20:22 |
| ptoohill | the 'pusher' part should ceratinly be separate | 20:22 |
| rm_work | i don't feel like making a billing framework exist upstream where the only pluggable method is "calculate_billing()" is very useful | 20:23 |
| rm_work | the data is there to read | 20:23 |
| blogan | it pushes to some pluggable layer, we could jsut make it push to a queue | 20:23 |
| Frito | +1 to rm_work | 20:23 |
| rm_work | it's easy to make a daemon to just read what you want, process it how you want, and push it where you want | 20:23 |
| TrevorV | ^^ this | 20:23 |
| Frito | I think what should be in upstream is just making sure the data exists for us | 20:23 |
| TrevorV | I'm on board for a separate daemon | 20:23 |
| rm_work | and there's no point trying to standardize something that's 90% boilerplate and 10% custom logic | 20:23 |
| blogan | i'm not suggesting billing, i'm suggesting some central place where the metrics are sent | 20:23 |
| rm_work | err | 20:23 |
| rm_work | sorry flip that | 20:23 |
| rm_work | 10% boilerplate and 90% custom logic | 20:23 |
| Frito | Right | 20:23 |
| rm_work | the metrics ARE in a central place | 20:23 |
| rm_work | the heartbeat table | 20:24 |
| ptoohill | oh, not the 'pusher' im thinking of then blogan | 20:24 |
| ptoohill | Yea, i dont see need for another layer | 20:24 |
| ptoohill | though there should be a way to get that data easily and not have to plug into db directly maybe? | 20:24 |
| blogan | okay and we're storing all the metrics in that table, for every heartbeat? | 20:24 |
| ptoohill | api call/mgmt api? :) | 20:24 |
| rm_work | all of the ones we collect, yes | 20:24 |
| rm_work | because the only metric collection is via heartbeat | 20:25 |
| dougwig | is that table named, "die_you_frigging_index_cache" ? | 20:25 |
| rm_work | the lines aren't additive, there's one line and it's absolute data | 20:25 |
| rm_work | not diffs | 20:25 |
| dougwig | oh, that's less fun. | 20:25 |
| rm_work | *one line per amp | 20:25 |
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| ptoohill | yea, upstream probably wont have same requirements as we would internally, so maybe it should just have a mech to send them off to another storage area for deployers to handle as needed? | 20:26 |
| rm_work | so you can look at the number for the last time you calculated a diff, look at the new number, and make your new diff | 20:26 |
| Frito | So correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like the consensus right now is no real value in having a billing template in upstream? I just state this b/c I don't want to dominate the discussion if there are other topics. | 20:26 |
| blogan | yeah that table is going to get large fast, so then its up to the deployers to make sue they scrape teh data from that table and then purge it? | 20:26 |
| rm_work | doesn't matter how often you read from it | 20:26 |
| dougwig | i would also expect large public operators to customize their amps, and could do a custom billing offload. | 20:26 |
| dougwig | i'm not sure private clouds care much about billing. | 20:26 |
| Frito | dougwig sounds like you're in agreement with me. Custom billing. | 20:26 |
| * ptoohill Shouts, "Billing is Fun!" | 20:26 | |
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| ptoohill | o.o | 20:27 |
| Frito | Lol. Is everyone cool with opening the floor for the next topic? | 20:27 |
| TrevorV | Yes, you have a second, right? | 20:27 |
| Frito | Yes | 20:27 |
| Frito | I think we should have another section to this meeting. One where we nominate topics for open discussion then the actual open discussion. | 20:27 |
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| Frito | So we don't crunch on time or someone gets left out or whatnot. | 20:27 |
| Frito | Not a decision that needs to be made now but I wanted to bring it up as food for thought | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | That's your second topic, or do you still have a second topic? | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | o_0 | 20:28 |
| ptoohill | lol | 20:28 |
| Frito | That's my second topic | 20:28 |
| Frito | :-D | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | Just wanted to be clear.... ha ha ha | 20:28 |
| Frito | I now yield the floor. | 20:28 |
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| TrevorV | I think that's a valid thing to consider... someone should remember that and bring it up when our PTL is here. | 20:28 |
| dougwig | umm, you can just edit the wiki during the week, Frito. | 20:29 |
| dougwig | next up, port 0 | 20:29 |
| Frito | TrevorV: I'll sync with johnsom | 20:29 |
| TrevorV | That's true... The "agenda" right? | 20:29 |
| dougwig | is port 0 a legit value on a member??? | 20:29 |
| TrevorV | Uh, no? | 20:29 |
| Frito | dougwig: Got ya. Will look for that. | 20:29 |
| Frito | thx | 20:29 |
| fnaval | port 0 should be reserved - I have a test that expects an error if port is 0 (in review) | 20:29 |
| rm_work | yeah the agenda comes from whatever people put in the wiki during the week | 20:29 |
| rm_work | and then we run through it | 20:29 |
| dougwig | or the chair fills it with germane things, if they're doing a good job. | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | dougwig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | According to this, "0" is reserved for UDP | 20:30 |
| dougwig | my appliance also accepts it for some weird reason. i wanted to make sure i wasn't going insane. | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | Of course, Wiki is not the end-all, be-all, but hey | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | Well, this and that are different topics dougwig | 20:31 |
| TrevorV | You're probably still going insane | 20:31 |
| ptoohill | i see that some oses will take 0 as default and select a positive port based on a few algos :) | 20:31 |
| ptoohill | ive never used port 0, i have no idea >< | 20:31 |
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| TrevorV | In other words, 0 is NOT acceptable, because they give you a different one lulz | 20:31 |
| dougwig | i wonder if it could also mean "just use the dang listener port" on some backends. i'm ok with the change in theory, but just a touch leery of backwards compat. | 20:31 |
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| TrevorV | Yeah, that's a concern. I wonder how we can check... | 20:32 |
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| dougwig | perhaps by asking our community at our meeting? | 20:32 |
| fnaval | see if there's a precendence | 20:32 |
| dougwig | ok, any other topics for today? | 20:33 |
| TrevorV | Yeah, so, I guess we can accept 0 == not good port? | 20:33 |
| TrevorV | I really really need single-create reviews | 20:33 |
| TrevorV | NOt a new topic, I just need people to hook it up | 20:33 |
| blogan | ptoohill has a reivew up i think that he wanted to discuss | 20:33 |
| fnaval | in this review, JingLiu says that 0 is reserved: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309635/ | 20:34 |
| ptoohill | not really o.O | 20:34 |
| fnaval | from ZTE | 20:34 |
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| ptoohill | ok, i suppose: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317236/ | 20:35 |
| TrevorV | don't twist his arm, blogan | 20:35 |
| dougwig | i think single-create is likely to be an octavia beastie. | 20:35 |
| blogan | beastie? | 20:35 |
| blogan | beastie boy? | 20:35 |
| TrevorV | dougwig its already IN octavia | 20:35 |
| ptoohill | Im adding amphora to haproxy templater, this can be used in custom templates, right now theres no need for upstream to use the data, but Im hoping we can agree this is something that upstream would find useful | 20:35 |
| TrevorV | I need the nlbaas one reviewed | 20:35 |
| fnaval | please review any of my stuffs too | 20:36 |
| fnaval | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Franklin+Naval+%253Cfranklin.naval%2540gmail.com%253E%22+status:open | 20:36 |
| dougwig | TrevorV: does it have an approved newton spec? | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | Does what? | 20:36 |
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| blogan | ptoohill: depending on the active/active implementation, it could be useful | 20:36 |
| ptoohill | its the 'host amphora' so that way data thats specific to the host itself can be used if needed, dougwig do you have any thoughts here? | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | Neutron lbaas? | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | Oh, probably not... heh | 20:36 |
| rm_work | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318290/ will hopefully pass tests and scenario will fail but in the way that isn't because LBs won't build at all >_> | 20:36 |
| ptoohill | Yea, just right now its not for upstream, we will use this internally blogan | 20:36 |
| rm_work | i gotta run >_> | 20:37 |
| rm_work | bbl | 20:37 |
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| dougwig | ptoohill: i'd need to see a review or something written down to have a comment. | 20:38 |
| TrevorV | dougwig I don't have a spec for it in Neutron LBaaS. I wrote one up for Octavia. I can write one up for NLBaaS if we think I need that. | 20:38 |
| dougwig | i'm fried today. | 20:38 |
| ptoohill | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317236/ | 20:38 |
| dougwig | TrevorV: nl requires neutron approval. | 20:38 |
| ptoohill | #Link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317236/ | 20:38 |
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| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317236/ | 20:38 |
| ptoohill | oh | 20:38 |
| ptoohill | mybad | 20:38 |
| TrevorV | ha ha ha | 20:38 |
| TrevorV | All good ptoohill | 20:38 |
| TrevorV | :D | 20:38 |
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| TrevorV | dougwig alright, I'll write up a spec. | 20:38 |
| TrevorV | :( | 20:38 |
| dougwig | TrevorV: there likely already is one, and it just needs re-proposing for newton | 20:39 |
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| TrevorV | Good call. | 20:39 |
| ptoohill | dougwig: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317236/ is the patch in question for me | 20:39 |
| dougwig | ptoohill: thanks | 20:40 |
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| dougwig | on my list. | 20:40 |
| dougwig | anything else today? | 20:40 |
| ptoohill | Thanks dougwig, i have like 40 other items to add to your plate, you ready? | 20:41 |
| ptoohill | Just kidding, but hope it made you smash something | 20:41 |
| dougwig | lol | 20:41 |
| dougwig | alright, let's get 20 minutes back. | 20:41 |
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| dougwig | #endmeeting | 20:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 20:41:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-05-18-20.01.html | 20:42 |
| Frito | whoots. Thanks guys! | 20:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-05-18-20.01.txt | 20:42 |
| fnaval | ty | 20:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-05-18-20.01.log.html | 20:42 |
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| TrevorV | ggwp! Later guys :D | 20:42 |
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