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SukhdevFolks ML2 meeting time16:00
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Sukhdev#startmeeting networking_ml216:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 20 16:01:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)"16:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2'16:01
yamamotohi16:01
Sukhdevyamamoto : hi16:01
Sukhdev#topic: Agenda16:01
*** openstack changes topic to ": Agenda (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)"16:01
Sukhdev#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_April_20.2C_201616:01
Sukhdev#topic: Announcements16:02
*** openstack changes topic to ": Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)"16:02
yamahatahello16:02
Sukhdevrkukura is out vacationing with his family16:02
Sukhdevso, he will not be able to join us today16:02
SukhdevAustin Summit is next week16:02
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SukhdevHope to see you guys there16:02
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SukhdevI am assuming you are all going there, right?16:03
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SukhdevThis also means there will be no meeting next week16:04
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Sukhdev#topic: Neutron Design sessions16:05
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Sukhdev#link: https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Neutron%3A16:05
SukhdevWe will have our usual session on Friday AM16:05
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Sukhdevyamahata yamamoto : are you guys to be going to Austin next week?16:06
yamahataSukhdev: yes.16:06
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Sukhdevgood16:06
SukhdevPlease do take a note of Friday AM session -16:06
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SukhdevIf you want to add anything to the agenda for Friday session, please add it here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-unplugged-track16:07
yamamotoyes16:08
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Sukhdevgood - hope to see you both next week -16:09
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Sukhdevin the mean time, please go through the etherpad and update it, if necessary16:10
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Sukhdevscheuran is not here - so I will skip over his section16:10
Sukhdevyamahata yamamoto : Today's agenda was light -16:11
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SukhdevI do not have anything specific to cover - do you?16:11
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yamamotoneither do i16:11
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yamahatanot special.16:12
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SukhdevOK - in that case I think we can call it a day and spend more time next week16:12
yamamotosure16:12
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Sukhdevyamahata : are you OK with it as well?16:12
yamahatayes.16:12
SukhdevIn that case, lets end the meeting16:13
yamahataIs there neutron gathering at the venue?16:13
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Sukhdevyamahata : I think so - you mean the social gathering, right?16:13
yamahataYes.16:13
SukhdevUsually it takes place on Wed or Thu PM16:14
Sukhdevand it is announced during the sessions16:14
SukhdevYou will know when you are there16:14
yamahatathanks.16:14
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Sukhdevif nothing else - lets end the meeting16:14
SukhdevThanks for attending16:15
Sukhdevbye16:15
yamahatabye16:15
Sukhdev#endmeeting16:15
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mugsie#startmeeting Designate17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 20 17:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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mugsie#topic Roll Call17:01
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Kiallo/17:01
sonuk_o/17:01
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mugsietimsim: elarson pglass federico3 rsyed meeting ping17:01
rsyedo/17:02
pglasso/17:02
rsyed(we're finishing up a meeting)17:02
mugsiea joe meeting?17:02
Kiallrsyed: is it a jmcbride meeting?17:02
Kiallsnap17:02
rsyedyup!17:02
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mugsiejmcbride meetings are famous :P17:03
mugsie#topic Action Items from last week17:03
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mugsieKiall backport 909cc5d17:03
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mugsieKiall: ?17:04
KiallEhh, I, doing it now -_-17:04
mugsie:D17:04
mugsiemugsie investiagte if 5104e6e and ab1639c are acceptable17:04
mugsieand I didnt either17:04
mugsiewill do that after the meeting17:04
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mugsie#action mugsie investiagte if 5104e6e and ab1639c are acceptable17:04
Kiall909cc5d done ;)17:04
elarsono/17:04
mugsie#topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring)17:05
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elarsontimsim: is in a meeting with me17:05
mugsie#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New17:05
elarsonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/147116517:05
openstackelarson: Error: malone bug 1471165 not found17:05
mugsie#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/157164417:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1571644 in Designate "Error in sink neutron_floatingip handler" [Undecided,New]17:05
elarsondangit17:05
mugsieelarson: pfft17:05
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mugsieI went looking for the format of neutron events17:06
KiallAnd, LP refusing to open for me17:06
mugsieand, there is basically no docs / schemas / info at all17:06
elarsonLP is an introvert... #dadjokesforever17:06
mugsiebut17:06
mugsieI do not think 'hostname' is sent as part of the event17:06
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KiallFrom Neutron? No, it's not..17:07
mugsieformat = '%(hostname)s.%(domain)s'17:07
mugsieI wanted to confirm it wasnt before closing it17:07
KiallIs that in our sample? or did they copy it from the nova sample and assume it worked for Neutron too?17:07
Kiall(it is in the nova events)17:07
mugsieits not in our sample17:07
KiallK - So not expected to work then17:08
mugsieOK, closing17:08
mugsie#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New17:08
mugsie#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/157157217:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1571572 in python-designateclient "Designate CLI - No output when domain-list is empty" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Preeti (pandey-preeti1)17:08
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mugsiei think ^ is OK17:09
KiallFor some reason, I thought pglass fixed that?17:09
KiallOh - thats designateclient, not OS client17:09
KiallWhat do you mean be OK? OK behaviour as is? OK to fix? ;)17:09
mugsieOK to fix17:10
mugsiesorry, was updating the other bug17:10
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KiallYea, it should be easy enough to fix and is worth it17:10
mugsiethats it :)17:11
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mugsie#topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring)17:11
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Kiall#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/494856/17:11
KiallAs usual, take a few mins, nominate things in need of backporting17:11
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KiallIMO - None are backport worth17:12
Kiallworthy*17:12
mugsienope17:12
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mugsieanyone else?17:12
KiallAnyone else?17:12
Kiallsnap - again17:12
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mugsieOK then :)17:12
mugsie#topic Open Discussion17:12
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mugsieany off agenda items?17:13
KiallJust - looking forward to seeing folks at the summit ;)17:13
mugsiedito17:13
elarsonyeah!17:14
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mugsiei think that is it for this week folks17:14
elarsono/17:15
mugsieand the meeting next week will not be happening of course17:15
mugsieas most of us will be in the same place17:15
elarsontimsim is typing in elarson's emacs right now and doesn't even know if his messages are coming across17:15
mugsieelarson: can you quit though?17:15
mugsie:P17:15
elarsonlol no17:15
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elarsonI had a hard enough time getting to the right buffer17:16
mugsieok - everyone enjoy 45 mins back :)17:16
mugsie#endmeeting17:16
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amrith#startmeeting trove18:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 20 18:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:01
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peterstaco/18:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'trove'18:01
tellesnobregao/18:01
amrith./18:01
toskyo/18:01
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amrithAgenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting18:01
amrith#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting18:01
amrithLet's give folks a couple of minutes to come in18:01
twm2016o/18:01
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amrithOK, let's get going18:03
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amrithhello everyone18:03
amrith#topic Action Items from Last Meeting18:03
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amrithNone outstanding18:03
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amrithI had taken one but I guess it didn't show up on the minutes last week. that was to send out a trove dashboard. I've done that.18:03
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amrith#link http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/nw4a2mtcdwd2vxue18:04
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amrithhas anyone tried this out?18:04
cp16net./18:04
cp16nethello18:05
amrithhello cp16net18:05
tellesnobregaamrith, did, looks pretty good18:05
vgnbkro/18:05
amriththx tellesnobrega18:05
SlickNikI tried it out as well — looks pretty good to me!18:05
tellesnobregaat this point don't see anything missing on that18:05
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SlickNikThanks Amrith!18:05
amrithflaper87's not here. as I said in my email, thx to him for pointing me to the dashboard creator18:05
cp16neti've made a dashboard before18:06
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amriththere were a couple of kinks as I went through and used it; the latest review as pushed into the repo looks stable to me.18:06
cp16netits pretty awesome18:06
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amrithso I like a lot about it; there are things I DON'T like18:06
cp16neta really long link18:06
amrithI can't change the sort order18:06
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amrithwell, the long link is easy to get around, since you generate it once and then put it in the settings so it is just a menu link to me18:06
amrithsee my email :)18:06
amrith#link http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/nw4a2mtcdwd2vxue18:07
cp16netyup18:07
pmalik./18:07
amriththe sort order bugs me18:07
amrithalso, the foreach is a nusiance18:07
johnmao/18:07
amrithfor me at least18:07
amriththis is a trove dashboard18:07
amrithso it makes sense to have a foreach that lists the trove projects18:07
amrithbut I watch about 23 projects all told18:07
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amrithso I can't have a single dashboard18:07
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amrithwithout having projects in each query18:07
amrithwhich makes for a VERY VERY VERY long link18:07
amrith:(18:07
amrithother than that, great tool18:08
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amrithand more importantly we all now should have a single priroity list of reviews18:08
amrithI suggest that we use this for a couple of weeks (say a month) and then revisit18:08
amrithand improve18:08
amriththoughts?18:08
vkmco/18:08
tellesnobrega+1 amrith18:08
johnmaamrith: I have been using it and I find it very useful to look at that list and prioritize. Thank you for putting it together18:09
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SlickNikYeah, I remember I hit a 2083 URL char limit at some point because the URL was too long — so that's something to be aware of.18:09
amriththx johnma18:10
amrith2083 char limit eh?18:10
amrithwhere?18:10
amrithis that a gerrit-dash-creator limit or a gerrit UI limit?18:10
SlickNikYeah, it was on the client — I was using chrome.18:10
cp16netlol18:10
johnmaI couldnt get the link you posted in the mail to work. So I just went to the gerrit-dashboard and got the link for Trove-Dashboard from there and used it in my settings. That worked18:11
amrithso SlickNik I got around that by pushing it into my menu18:11
amrithjohnma, sorry about that18:11
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amrithyou mean the link in the gist didn't work?18:11
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amrithI'll go and check that out.18:11
SlickNikThe link in the gist is well under 2083 chars, and is fine. :)18:11
johnmaoh ,no worries. Just wanted to bring it up in case someone else had a problem.18:12
johnmaright, the link in gist18:12
amrithcool. so let's keep a list of things we'd like to see improved and revisit in a month18:12
tellesnobregathe link worked nicely for me18:12
SlickNik++18:12
amrith#action Amrith to add agenda item in a month to revisit this and iterate.18:12
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johnmacould very much be something wrong on my side18:12
amrithok ... that's out of the way for now.18:12
amrith#topic Trove Pulse Update18:12
amrith#link http://bit.ly/1VQyg0018:12
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amrithSignificant uptick since last week, great job folks. The number of changes merged was up, the number of open patches went down. All good trends. What do others think?18:13
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johnmagood news18:13
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cp16netyeah i think there are still a few low hanging reviews that could make that better18:15
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cp16netbut overall its great!18:15
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amrithyes, that's what I thought.18:15
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amrithanyone else have thoughts on the #'s18:16
amrith#link https://gist.github.com/amrith/42a6772ff4ce22243381153596ef1a3018:17
amrithTop reviewers for the past week. Thanks folks, let's keep the momentum going in the coming week18:17
amrithlast week we said we'd bring back the top-N list ...18:17
amrithso there you have it.18:17
amrithI'm still trying to get a good understanding of the disagreements numbers18:18
amrithbut, ...18:18
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amrithI think they say that Peter disagrees more than me. I don't know if that's good or bad.18:18
amrith;)18:18
amrithjohnma, I fixed the link in the gist; it should work now.18:19
dougshelley66amrith don't know if it is good or bad but don't know if i believe it :)18:19
peterstacI see the disagreements all at 0%, so I'm not sure how they're calculated18:19
amrithwell, I read the documentation and here's is what it said18:19
johnmaI think there was a discussion past week about what this topic - regarding disagreements18:19
amrith"Disagreements is a reflection of how disagreeable the reviewer is".18:19
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amrithnow I don't know whether more is better or less is better :)18:19
amrithso is 100% disagreeable better or 80% ? :)18:20
amrithseriously though, there was some chatter about this in the ML18:20
amrithin the past two weeks18:20
johnmaI think it means, if someone +1/+2 a change and a core puts a -1 on it - thats a disagreement18:20
dougshelley66it isn't better or worse - this is if you +1 a review and core -1s it18:20
dougshelley66for example18:20
amrithdims brought it up (thread was about gaming stackalytics)18:20
johnmaright18:20
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cp16netyeah johnma thats how i understand it18:21
cp16netor the opposite case as well18:21
amrithyeah, I dont know what that is good for :)18:21
amrithI don't think core reviewers are "better" or "worse", just that they have the ability to +2 stuff.18:21
cp16netmaybe to see how negative someone can be?18:21
cp16netj/k18:21
amrithanyway18:22
amrithgood momemtun18:22
amriththe number of reviews is up18:22
amriththe number of patch sets is healthy18:22
amrithnew and merged18:22
amrithnothing was abandoned18:22
amrithall goodness18:22
amrithAnyone have anything else to add on this topic?18:22
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amrithOK, chugging along.18:23
amrith#topic announcements18:23
amrithNone that I know of18:23
amrithAnyone have any?18:23
amrithBabies, new pets, travel plans :)18:23
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johnma:)18:23
amrithanyone going to this thing in Austin?18:23
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amrithnext week?18:23
cp16neti'm here18:23
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johnma+118:23
cp16netcome join me18:23
cp16netand johnma18:23
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amrithcp16net, I'll be there Sunday afternoon. have a couple of meetings Sunday, then the WOO thing that evening.18:24
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cp16netdo you rsvps18:24
cp16netyour*18:24
amrithok, no announcements ...18:25
amrith#topic Proposals for review18:25
amrithI have none18:25
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amrithanyone else have any?18:25
pmalikHi.18:25
pmalikI pushed a long-overdue patch to the cfg.py18:25
pmalikI would just like to draw attention to it.18:25
pmalikYou can read the commit message and comment on the18:25
pmalikreview.18:25
pmalikIf we decide this is the way we want it it will just18:25
pmalikhave to go ASAP or it's going to stall forever in merge conflicts.18:25
pmalikhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/308126/18:25
pmalikThx.18:25
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amriththanks pmalik I've starred it18:26
amrithso it should popup on people's dashboards ...18:26
pmalikthx :)18:26
amrithback to the agenda ... anything in the form of a proposal that ppl want to put out there for review?18:26
amrithok, let's move along18:27
amrith#topic update on projects18:27
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amrithpmackinn, yt?18:27
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amrithare you going to be pushing any code for the trove image build thing before summit?18:27
amrithtellesnobrega, I've updated the session in the schedule, the etherpads and so on; now it is snapshot as a backup strategy18:28
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amrithI will update the agenda for next week18:28
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amrithas for the ceph spec, do you want to abandon it for now and revive it when you plan to work on it again?18:28
tellesnobregaamrith, I saw that, thanks18:28
amrithvkmc, any update on the sonali projects18:28
pmackinnamrith, push where?18:28
vkmcamrith, updated the spec yesterday, will update the code today18:29
tellesnobregaamrith, I can do that, so it is not on the review list yes18:29
* amrith resists the urge to fall for that :)18:29
amrithpmackinn, I was wondering if you would be putting up any code for review before summit18:29
amriththe spec has been out there for a while18:29
amrithI've stopped +1'ing it; I agree with the course in general but would like to see more details18:29
pmackinnamrith, code required for the spec? talking about bash scripts and libguestfs cli18:30
amrithyes, that kind of stuff18:30
amrithso ...18:30
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amrithif you look at other specs, some have a full API definition18:30
amrithor a detailed API specification18:30
amrithor look at my spec https://review.openstack.org/30295218:30
pmackinnamrith, what API applies here?18:30
amrithI don't believe that it has enough information in it for a +2 in a review18:31
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pmackinnamrith, vkmc +2 it :-)18:31
amrithit is an outline, a high level description, so I don't see anyone being willing to +2 it.18:31
amrithpmackinn, I'm talking about the spec I put up for storage things18:31
amrithI was wondering whether you'd be providing more details before summit18:31
vkmcwhat kind of details are you expecting to see outlined in the spec amrith?18:32
pmackinnamrith, you mean the trove image builder spec, right? i can or we could walk through it next week18:32
amrithvkmc, not in the spec per se, but before we meet and discuss next week18:32
amrithif there's more stuff one can read ahead of time, there's more value to the conversation there18:33
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amrithas it is, all I have been able to do is play with the tools18:33
amrithand familiarize myself with what they can and cannot do18:33
amrithand I modified some existing images using those tools (well, I've been doing that for some time)18:33
vkmcthis has been discussed during the on Tokyo summit and during the midcycle as well, I'm ok with discuss this on the Austin summit as well18:33
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vkmcbut I don't see why nobody would be willing to +2 that spec18:34
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amrithWell, I'm not in a position to +2 it because I'm not sure what the end deliverable looks like18:34
amrithlet me ask you the question this way, is there enough detail in https://review.openstack.org/302952 for you to +2 it?18:34
vkmcthat is something that ends up being defined with the code, once the proposal has been merged18:35
pmackinnamrith, ? what spec provides a full implementation in code for review?18:35
vkmclast time I check that was the procedure we were following with the rest of the features we have in Trove18:35
amrithpmackinn, not full code18:35
amrithbut sufficient detail on what the API would be, for example (we have more specs like that so I go back to that example).18:35
amrithvkmc, what's that procedure? what we've always done that I can recall is that the code and the specs merge together.18:35
toskyso the output of the command --help ?18:36
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amrithhard to say tosky because I don't know exactly what the shape of the things that will be delivered are.18:36
toskyamrith: it's a tool, so a program18:36
amrithanyway, let's discuss next week18:36
amrithvkmc, I guess my question then is this; there are a number of specs out there, do you feel that we should be merging them before the code is written?18:37
amrithI don't believe that we've done that before18:37
amrithand I'm certainly not advocating that.18:37
vkmcamrith, I don't think we should postpone merging an spec because the code is not there yet18:38
vkmcamrith, more in the case of this feature in particular that is depending on the creation of a repository under Trove umbrella18:38
amrithwe can create the repository anytime we want18:38
vkmcamrith, usually the process is blueprint registration -> spec -> code18:38
amrithdoesn't need a spec to merge for that18:39
amrithSlickNik, cp16net you've been doing this longer than I have, what do you think?18:39
tellesnobregaI believe merging spec than code is the common procedure on other projects18:39
tellesnobregathen*18:39
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cp16netusually we approve the spec18:40
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tellesnobregathey don't need to coexist on the same time frame for the spec to be merged18:40
cp16netthat allows us to know what the impl will be18:40
johnmaamrith: it was my understanding that we can merge the spec before the code as long as everyone agrees with the details in the spec18:40
cp16netand have the acceptance crtiera for it18:40
egaffordIn Sahara, we do occasionally need to submit patches to modify existing specs when the impls have to deviate, but that's just an extra patch set.18:40
SlickNikI don't think we need code for a spec to merge — we should be okay to merge the spec as long as the spec makes sense, and has sufficient detail regarding the design.18:41
vkmcjohnma++18:41
amrithok, so here's the list of specs out there now. https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/trove-specs+status:open18:41
amrithcould we get reviews on them done18:42
amrithand feedback provided18:42
amrithand if you agree with the spec, put a +1 or +2 on it ...18:42
amrithI currently see few specs that have this kind of review18:42
amrithTake https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294213/18:42
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amrithwell, maybe not that one18:43
amrithit is WF-118:43
amrithhttps://review.openstack.org/30295218:43
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amrithcould we get this reviewed and +1'ed if you agree?18:43
amrithanyway, I think we've spent a lot of time on this, we can discuss next week in detail18:44
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amrithif the process we want to follow is that specs get merged ahead of the code, let's do that.18:44
mvandijkamrith - what is that second spec about?18:44
amrithclick on it ...18:44
mvandijkthe commit message doesn't really say :)18:44
amrithok, if no one else has anything to add, let's discuss next week18:45
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amrith#topic Work on branches other than master18:46
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amrithThere are a number of patches outstanding for Mitaka and Liberty18:46
amrithif folks have cycles, I'd request you push up backports18:46
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amrithwe've had some new folks (brandon is one) who have pushed up some of these18:46
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amrithLooking down the agenda, most of the rest of what we have is procedural. Please update your etherpads for summit.18:47
amrithpmackinn, SlickNik we have one for superconductor that we should update18:47
pmackinnamrith, SlickNik: i put what i could in that etherpad18:48
amrithAlso, at raleigh we had talk about the idea of multiple datastores with a single manager18:48
SlickNikpmackinn: I still have the note  â€” I'll update the etherpad with them this afternoon.18:48
amrithif you could look over that and make sure it reflects what we discussedin raleigh that'd be great.18:48
amrithI've updated the etherpads I had.18:48
tellesnobregaupdating mine this afternoon as well18:49
amrithSlickNik, you and I have a couple; mgmt API, openstack CLI, and so on18:49
amriththx tellesnobrega18:49
tellesnobreganp18:49
amrithmaybe we can chat about that before next week18:49
amrithso we have the requisite info in there.18:49
SlickNikamrith: yes, I will spend some time this afternoon updating the etherpad.18:49
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amrithpmackinn, yours on images needs to be updated18:50
amrithI see that flaper87 has done his18:50
amrithdougshelley66, vgnbkr you have a couple18:50
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amrithunfortunately neither victor nor abhishek will be at summit so I'll post a quick update on python318:51
amrithwe may not have a lot to discuss about that18:51
dougshelley66guest instance upgrade is up in review - willl be on the docket for design summit18:51
amrithmvandijk, peterstac, pmalik you have a couple of etherpads to update18:52
pmackinnamrith, ack18:52
amriththat's mostly all I had18:52
amrith#topic Open Discussion18:52
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dougshelley66amrith - sorry, right the design summit etherpads, got it18:52
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mvandijkamrith: what etherpad sry?18:54
dougshelley66mvandijk i'll fill you in18:54
twm2016When the etherpads are complete, maybe they can be put on this page for others to easily view? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Newton/Etherpads#Trove18:55
twm2016- if its design summit related.18:55
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amrithtwm2016, doing it now18:56
amrithdone18:56
twm2016awesome, thanks.18:56
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pmackinnnewton sessions http://bit.ly/22Oklpy18:57
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amrithactually this may look better now18:58
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amrithanything else?18:58
amrith2m to go ...18:58
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johnmaI am assuming Trove meeting is cancelled for next week18:59
amrithyup18:59
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amrithgoing once19:00
amrithWell, I guess we're out of time :)19:01
amrith#endmeeting19:01
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johnmathanks Amrith19:01
tellesnobregathanks19:01
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johnsom#startmeeting Octavia20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 20 20:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
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blogan^^^^^^^^^^^|||||||||||||||^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^20:00
johnsomHi folks20:00
fnavalo/20:00
ajmillerhi20:00
TrevorVo/20:00
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johnsomblogan ???  It looks like we are playing an old text based game...20:00
minwang2o/20:00
bloganjohnsom: its my new wave, its trademarked20:00
johnsomAh the good old days20:00
xgermanblogan make sure to add TM to it20:01
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johnsom#topic Announcements20:01
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johnsomI don't have any announcements other than the summit is next week, no meeting20:01
xgermanfor those at home there will be videos to watch20:01
johnsomAnyone else?20:02
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johnsom#topic OpenStack summit20:02
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bloganthe summit is next week?!?!?!?!20:02
xgermanin Austin!20:02
johnsomI posted a list of session that may be of interest to us:20:02
johnsom#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda20:02
TrevorVIts my first summit guys, so I'm probably just going to follow people around like a lost puppy... :D20:03
xgerman:-)20:03
johnsomHahaha20:03
blogangood thing i'm going in disguise20:03
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johnsomYeah, we have HPE areas to we can totally ditch you20:03
johnsomJK20:04
bloganjust leave him face down in an alley20:04
Fritosry for being late.20:04
bloganFrito: you lied20:04
xgermanalso keep in mind for a lot of us this will be the last summit20:04
johnsomFrito welcome!20:04
bloganxgerman: what do you mean?20:04
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xgerman(since Europe travel is always tricky)20:04
TrevorVthe last summit xgerman ?20:04
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bloganoh i wont be able to go to barcelona bc of new babies20:04
TrevorVYou mean it'll be tougher to travel to future summits, or you're backing out of the project?20:04
FritoI did lie. I joined it on the rackspace irc, not freenode20:05
Fritooops20:05
xgermanthere will only be one more summit — then it’s dev only meetings20:05
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Fritomando is hopping on webchat now20:05
johnsomAh, the back channels where you guys mock us20:05
bloganxgerman: oh thats final?20:05
TrevorVOh, I missed that comm, xgerman20:05
Fritothx johnsom20:05
xgermanblogan I think so20:05
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johnsomYeah, it's final as far as I know20:06
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xgermanour management is treating it as a done deal20:06
fnavalyeah, the split between dev sessions and summit20:06
bloganyour management is hoping probably lol20:06
xgermanyep20:06
bloganours too20:06
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bloganhonestly though, the biggest expense is hotel, not airfare20:06
xgermanwell, hence the new locations like Des Moines20:06
xgermanor Boise20:06
bloganbut i guess if the hotels are in the touristy cities internationally then that does hurt20:06
bloganyeah20:06
xgermanFargo in Winter...20:07
bloganparis is cheap right?20:07
xgermanI think so20:07
johnsomHP has done Miami in July.  That was un-pleasant20:07
TrevorVI say Hawaii20:07
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TrevorVOne of the smaller islands20:07
bloganI say we've diverged :)20:08
johnsomI'm sure it was cheap, but wow, hot and humid20:08
blogandigressed20:08
blogani mean20:08
blogan:(20:08
johnsomYes.  Any other announcements/questions about the summit?20:08
xgermanwell, what I am saying we need to make Austin epic20:08
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bloganit needs to be so epic that i'm sober enough to drive back home everynight20:08
xgermanwell, if you stay long enough sessions start again20:09
johnsomHahaha20:09
TrevorVIf I'm riding with blogan then I'm okay to be trashed.20:09
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xgermanRAX isn’t running a shuttle?20:09
fnavali'm not gonna be the dd20:09
bloganTrevorV: that will throw a wrench in plans to never see you at the summit20:09
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johnsomYeah, but he will want to leave at like 5 so he doesn't miss Jeopardy or something20:09
bloganxgerman: that was discussed, not sure if we are or not20:09
TrevorVYou right.20:09
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blogani dont want to miss murder she wrote20:10
johnsomOk, moving on....20:10
johnsom#topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review20:10
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fnavalmatlock20:10
xgermannaval $1 Mio $ idea remake of Matlock as a movie20:10
TrevorVSingle create still needs someone to attack it with reviews!!!20:11
fnavali'm working on neutron-lbaas stuff; bugs written up; thanks for everyones help20:11
xgermanfnaval20:11
TrevorV#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257201/20:11
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johnsomSorry folks, I have been heads down on internal papers, posters, and presentations and haven't had much time for reviews20:11
fnavalinteresting idea xgerman20:11
xgermanfinalized lab talk: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1AqmF3BnKLLu1W1n-XT5MSfVYrGue1JIwKSvjbWgGA6s/edit?usp=sharing20:11
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fnavalnice! xgerman20:11
xgermanyeah, I discovered you need 50 GV HDD space on devstack rm_work20:11
fnavalreviews needed for some simple short tests:20:12
johnsomYeah, we have made good progress on the LBaaS talk too.20:12
fnavalhttps://review.openstack.org/16482820:12
fnavalhttps://review.openstack.org/30666920:12
fnavalhttps://review.openstack.org/30486620:12
fnavalhttps://review.openstack.org/30608320:12
fnavalhttps://review.openstack.org/30618220:12
fnavalhttps://review.openstack.org/30552520:12
bloganwhoa!20:12
TrevorV#link https://review.openstack.org/16482820:12
johnsomBusy, that is great!20:12
TrevorV#link https://review.openstack.org/30666920:12
FritoI have been trying to get ramped up mostly. I've had some discussions with blogan and mando around billing and just trying to get some general headway there. It sounds like we still need some design stuff to flesh out which can be brought up later.20:12
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TrevorV#link https://review.openstack.org/30486620:12
TrevorV#link https://review.openstack.org/30608320:12
blogani like how the first review # is almost half of the 2nd20:12
TrevorV#link https://review.openstack.org/30618220:12
bloganmust be an old one20:12
TrevorV#link https://review.openstack.org/30552520:12
xgermanFruit our people want to bill as well so we should sync up20:12
xgermanFrito20:12
fnaval#link https://review.openstack.org/16482820:13
fnaval#link https://review.openstack.org/30666920:13
fnaval#link https://review.openstack.org/30486620:13
fnaval#link https://review.openstack.org/30608320:13
fnaval#link https://review.openstack.org/30618220:13
* xgerman curses at the spell checker20:13
Fritolol @ fruit20:13
fnaval#link https://review.openstack.org/30552520:13
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fnavalthanks anyway TrevorV20:13
TrevorVFrito xgerman is notorious for renaming people20:13
Fritosounds good xgerman :-D20:13
bloganfruit, pothole, all great names xgerman has given people20:13
TrevorVWho gave you towgan?20:13
johnsomSo true20:13
blogandoug20:13
TrevorV:D20:13
johnsom#topic Open Discussion20:14
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bloganbilling!20:14
TrevorVbling!20:14
johnsomSo, the LBaaS gate is broken20:14
bloganit is?20:14
johnsomThe current patch doesn't fix it20:14
johnsom#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/157259220:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1572592 in neutron "gate-neutron-lbaasv1-dsvm-api gate broken on Neutron LBaaS: fail to find a quota" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Victor Stinner (victor-stinner)20:14
fnavalah!  cool - i thought it was my test20:15
bloganv1?20:15
bloganugh20:15
johnsomI just saw it, so don't have much to report on it20:15
fnavalsince it's down, folks can start reviewing the PRs that passed (like mine)20:15
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johnsomYeah, v120:15
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bloganfnaval: if your reviews got +A'ed they wouldn't be merged bc this would fail20:16
fnavalah ok20:16
johnsomYep, I'm a victim from this on a merge20:16
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johnsomAnyone want to jump on this?  Victor hasn't poked it in three hours, so I suspect he's in a different timezone20:17
johnsomcrickets20:18
johnsomok20:18
blogani'm looking20:18
blogancan't guarantee it20:18
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johnsomYeah, that is where I am too20:18
blogani think its something we can do in aparallel in discuss in channel20:19
johnsomOk, so, someone wanted to revive the billing discussion from a few weeks back.20:19
blogani must have missed that discussion20:19
johnsomblogan You commented during it...20:19
xgermanso I got our requirements which are basically when did the LB start; when did it end; subtraction20:20
bloganok i have some form of temporary amnesia?20:20
xgermanthat sort of squared with what TrevorV said20:20
johnsomYou advocated for runtime vs. uptime if I remember correctly20:20
bloganoh yeah20:20
blogani guess right now i'm thinking about more implementation details20:21
FritoBilling: blogan, mando and I were talking earlier. One thing we noticed is that when we save heartbeats from different amphorias it would overwrite the previous heart beat for a different amphoria since the listener_statistics table only has the pool_id PK20:21
bloganlistener_id20:21
FritoYea, that20:21
Fritothx20:21
xgermanyeah, heartbeats are sort of one-offish in our world20:21
bloganxgerman: what do you mean subtraction?20:21
bloganoh you just mean uptime20:22
bloganyall dont need bandwidth or connection info?20:22
johnsomYeah, the stats stuff was kind of "implemented" without a "how it's used" plan20:22
xgermanthey want to bill for the time the system was used/up (need to nail that down better)20:22
Fritoblogan: I assume he meant listener_stopped_at - listener_created_at20:22
bloganxgerman: my opinion is that once the loadbalancer goes active in the API thats when we started calculating uptime, if amps failover or whatever that shouldn't matter for uptime calculation20:22
xgermanyep20:23
johnsomAgree20:23
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xgermanand if there is a network outage we reimburse20:23
bloganok we need a vote20:23
blogani dont feel safe without a vote20:23
xgermanlol20:23
johnsomWell, uptime is a slightly different thing, but right general idea20:23
Fritolol20:23
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johnsomWhat do you want to vote on?20:24
blogani'm joking20:24
blogansounded unanimous, at least from those present20:24
fnavallaunched_at vs created_at ?20:24
xgermanthe more interesting thing is that we need push notifications - so driver, yada, yada20:24
xgermanlet’s not split hairs on that one ;-)20:24
bloganxgerman: can you expand on taht?20:24
xgermanright now we push things into the labs V2 DB for the metering solution to pull with the API20:25
xgermanwhat is wanted is a push into the metering solution20:25
bloganohhh yeah20:25
blogantahts what we discussed today too20:25
xgermanand unless you guys use ceilometer we probably want a driver20:25
johnsomlaunched_at should be pretty much created at I would expect.  At least database bits would be in use.20:25
bloganyeah we want it pluggable20:25
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johnsomYes, we need yet another driver20:26
Frito+1 pluggable20:26
xgerman(ideally we would get LBaaS V2 to push that so we can bill for 3rd party LBs as well)20:26
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bloganyeah that was the next question20:26
xgermanyep, I see path of least resistance would be to just have Octavia do it20:27
bloganis that an octavia responsibility or nlbaas, but good piont about it needing to support all nlbaas drivers20:27
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johnsomHow is the "merge" spec coming?20:27
bloganwell, octavia is still goign to need to aggegrate the stats from each amphora's listener into one listener stat and push that to nlbaas, that needs to be there regardless20:27
* blogan hides20:28
xgermanyep, but should we push into metering from Octavia or LBaaS or both?20:28
bloganjohnsom: its coming this year!20:28
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bloganxgerman: i guess ideally operator's choice, octavia will need it eventually as johnsom just pointed at me about with the "merge" spec20:29
fnavallaunched_at - created_at = (time waiting for LB to become ACTIVE)  though, that's how servers does it20:29
johnsomProbably lbaas, but write it in such a way it will copy into octavia nicely20:29
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xgermanlabs would then be some metering extension… which leads us to microversioning20:29
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bloganoctavia is still has more work to do for both efforts anyway, so that can start to be thought out and implemented20:30
johnsom+120:30
xgermanunless we are cheap and just run a thread every second who queries the DB and puts that out on the queue20:30
xgermanor triggers...20:30
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Frito... don't say triggers20:31
johnsomtriggers are evil20:31
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Fritowe can vote on triggers being evil if blogan still wanted a vote ;-)20:31
bloganwe need some kind of vote to complete the meeting20:31
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xgermanis there a Neutron dinner this summit?20:32
blogananyway, would yall agree that the work on at least aggregating the metrics from amps into single listener/loadbalancer combos can get started now, and then we can just send taht off to nlbaas, bc thats gonig to have to happen anyway20:32
xgermanor should we vote on an LBaaS one :-)20:32
johnsomI haven't seen anything announced20:32
FritoI think a background process that aggregates the amphorias and spits out whatever is needed for the listener is the more scalable soloution longterm. That's just my 2 cents though.20:32
johnsomYeah, I would personally spawn it from housekeeping manager20:33
xgerman+120:33
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johnsomIt's all about the periodic jobs20:33
bloganyeah that makes sense20:33
xgermanand make it HA some way20:33
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TrevorVI agree20:33
bloganxgerman: that might be an operator problem at that point20:33
bloganlike making the API HA20:33
xgermanwe probably need to support locking...20:34
johnsomWell, aggregating anything makes HA harder, so, I agree we should have a plan20:34
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xgerman+120:34
FritoI brought that point up too xgerman :-)20:34
xgermangreat minds think alike :-)20:35
bloganbwahaha20:35
blogani mean yeah20:35
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FritoI apologize for the ignorance here then. Is this something we'd then schedule a break out for at some point or just hash it out in the #openstack-lbaas channel or what? I don't want to eat up the rest of the meeting on this if there are other topics that need to be hit.20:36
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johnsomWell, this is the end of the agenda, so we can burn the time if it's a topic we need to discuss20:37
xgermanyep20:37
FritoYea, I more wanted to toss that out there in case there was something else :-)20:37
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FritoI'm going to take silence as consensus and go back to billing then :-D20:38
xgermanyep20:38
bloganwell sounds like we'll spawn a process to do the aggregation and it'll be the thign responsible for aggregating and shooting it off to nlbaas (and at some point a pluggable piece of code)20:38
johnsomSo, I'm guessing you are going to scrape the db on some interval.  HA could be done through locking and some timestamp column or something20:39
xgermanthat’s what I had in mind20:39
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bloganwell one other thing to decide on, currently heartbeats just overwrite the old record, so we don't keep track of any records in history20:40
TrevorVxgerman johnsom could that cause other API issues?  Probably not right, since the lock is per table and that table is only for heartbeats, right?20:40
blogando we want to continue doing that?20:40
FritoDumb question but we don't have a locking store? The only thing I've used in the past was Redis for it's atomic get / set operation. I'm not sure if that's suited here though.20:40
xgermanwe use mysql which locks20:40
johnsomYeah, depends on what you lock.  Could be rows(I think mysql can do that) or an aggregation table20:40
Fritogot ya.20:41
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FritoOkay. So the "shooting it off" bit from earlier. How do we go about defining the "it"20:41
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FritoIs that a pattern we already have somewhere (like v1) or would this be a new chunk of info?20:41
johnsomProbably could borrow from the build rate-limiting patch that is up for review20:42
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TrevorVFrito honestly we can pull from the jinja stuff for the REST client for the amphora configuration.20:42
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bloganwhat?20:42
* Frito note to self: find that patch20:42
xgerman??20:43
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johnsomLost me Frito.  Are you asking about the nlbaas side sending to somewhere?20:43
johnsom#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303304/20:43
TrevorVThat's the communication contract after rolling the stats up for a period of time, right Frito ?  That's what you're talking about20:43
bloganyeah there's gonig to be 2 pieces that shoot, octavia to someplace, and nlbaas to some place20:43
johnsomblogan right.20:44
TrevorVHe's talking about the ammunition, "what" is being shot.  Not where its going.20:44
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TrevorVI think.20:44
TrevorVo_020:44
bloganoctavia to someplace can be to nlbaas20:44
johnsomoctavia up to nlbaas, like event streamer?20:44
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xgermanlikely exactly like event streamer20:44
bloganjohnsom: yeah thats it for now, but i can see that becoming just a plugin in octavia at some point, but don't need to worry about it now20:44
johnsomnlbaas to celio or whatever, not sure on that one.  Probably something new20:45
bloganhowever, it will need tobe modified now to aggregate, and be done in the housekeeping manager process20:45
bloganspawned20:45
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johnsomblogan good idea, make it a plugin, current implementation is to nlbaas, but should be able to plug in the nlbaas code if needed/in future20:45
xgerman+120:46
johnsom+120:46
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xgermanand that allows people to only send a subset suited to their needs20:46
mando_dFrito is having IRC issues20:46
xgermandon’t tell ma about issues - our DC in Houston flooded20:46
johnsomUgh, we just totally solved his problem...  grin20:46
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blogani think i've got a good idea on waht we're talkinga bout, the details will need to be worked out but thats probably good enough to start implementing and discussing those as they come up20:47
xgermanhope the irc server is up on a hill :-)20:47
johnsomOk, cool20:47
xgermanyep, we probably should write a spec to make sure we are all on the same page20:47
TrevorVblogan yeah, we'll have to put those details in our tickets20:47
TrevorVYeah, spec would be good for upstream20:48
xgerman+120:48
* blogan burns specs20:48
bloganwhoops20:48
fnaval+120:48
ajmiller+120:48
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bloganall your +1's are for burnign specs20:48
xgerman#voye?20:49
xgerman#startvote Should we burn the spec? Yes, No20:49
openstackOnly the meeting chair may start a vote.20:49
TrevorV#vote yes,20:49
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TrevorV:P20:49
Fritoback. sorry. The wireless at my desk decided to go retarded.20:49
johnsomFrito we finished designing it.  blogan volunteered to write the design spec.20:50
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FritoWorks for me20:50
FritoLol20:50
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johnsomgrin20:50
FritoHey, if that's untrue that is between you guys ;-)20:51
bloganjohnsom, Frito: no!20:51
Fritolmao20:51
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blogani still have that other spec to write20:51
bloganone day20:51
FritoWe're getting close to time anyways and that discussion felt like it could go on for way longer.20:51
bloganthat i said i'd ahve done like last month20:51
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johnsomYeah.  Anyway, I think we have a good start.20:52
TrevorVFrito you can check the meeting notes after for what was discussed, and the rest is "implementation details"20:52
TrevorVInterest in saving time I mean20:52
johnsomAny other topics?  (btw, Frito you can check the meeting log for what you missed)20:52
Fritotopic: have a great rest of your day ;-)20:53
johnsomOk, then I will see you in person next week.20:53
johnsom#endmeeting20:53
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