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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: npm lint jobs are failing due to a problem with npm registry. The problem is under investigation, and we will update once the issue is solved.10:18
*** ChanServ changes topic to "npm lint jobs are failing due to a problem with npm registry. The problem is under investigation, and we will update once the issue is solved."10:18
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Swamihi15:00
haleybhi swami15:00
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haleyb#startmeeting neutron_dvr15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr  6 15:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_dvr'15:00
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haleyb#chair Swami15:00
openstackCurrent chairs: Swami haleyb15:00
haleyb#topic Announcements15:01
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obondarevhi15:01
Swamiobondarev: hi15:01
haleybJust realized i forgot to update this section on the wiki15:01
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Swamihaleyb: I updated a bit15:02
haleybGuess my only announcement is we've been seeing some issues and proposed some reverts, can cover that in bugs15:02
Swamihaleyb: I just updated about the RC3, do you have anything more.15:02
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haleyboh, guess I forgot about RC3, yes, it's final final i hope15:03
haleyb#topic Bugs15:03
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Swamihaleyb: hi15:03
SwamiThis week as you mentioned we have uncovered more bugs.15:03
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Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/156477615:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1564776 in neutron "DVR l3 agent should check for snat namespace existence before adding or deleting anything from the namespace" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:04
obondarevthis one is about manual deleting of snat namespace, right?15:04
SwamiThis is related to the agent not checking for the existence of the namespace before proceeding with adding or deleting interfaces to the namespace.15:05
Swamiobondarev: yes, but it also covers, certain uncleaned namespaces which is caused due to some errors.15:05
SwamiThis throws in a bunch of log messages in the l3 agent over and over.15:05
SwamiRight now i have a patch under review.15:05
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300358/15:06
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SwamiDo you have anymore questions on this bug/patch or can I move on.15:07
obondarevnot from my side15:07
haleybi'll just go review it15:08
Swamiok thanks.15:08
SwamiLet us move on15:08
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/156475715:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1564757 in neutron "Configure DVR fip router fail when l3 agent restarts and it cannot be recovered" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to RaoFei (milo-frao)15:08
SwamiThis is a new bug filed this week, there is no patch yet for this bug. I need to triage it.15:08
SwamiThis is related to unfinished FIP namespace state while the agent restarts.15:09
SwamiI will try to validate this. There might be some clean up loop that we should be handling for unfinished or errored out floatingips with DVR.15:10
haleybdo you have to kill things at just the right time for this?15:10
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haleyb1. loop create and delete fip on neutron-server side.15:11
haleyb2. loop restart l3 agent.15:11
Swamihaleyb: What I think is just verify the namespace that is in the node with the namespace data that we have in the agent cache and then clean up if not required. Also when Floatingip errors out, go through the clean loop to clean it up.15:11
Swamihaleyb: Yes this is timing related, but we can try to reduce it.15:11
SwamiBasically we need to make sure that the agent restart logic is solid with the DVR routers.15:12
SwamiAny other questions on this15:13
haleybright, it just doesn't seem the highest priority, but should get it fixed15:13
Swamihaleyb: you right.15:13
Swamihaleyb: probably it should be a low.15:13
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/155729015:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1557290 in neutron "DVR FIP agent gateway does not pass traffic directed at fixed IP" [Low,Triaged]15:14
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/146215415:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1462154 in neutron "With DVR Pings to floating IPs replied with fixed-ips if VMs are on the same network" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:14
haleybi have some comments on this15:14
SwamiSorry the first link is the wrong link15:14
Swamihaleyb: yes.15:14
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SwamiThis bug was reopened recently by carl_baldwin.15:15
haleybcarl_baldwin proposed revert https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301348/15:15
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haleybi wrote-up the explanation why in that review15:15
SwamiThe reason is the snat functionality is partially done in a router namespace rather than in a snat namespace.15:15
haleybbasically it looks like we could have a 5-tuple collision15:16
carl_baldwinI'm catching up on the comments.15:16
haleybSwami: right.  one solution might be to change the nat code to use port-ranges, such that the snat and qrouter namespace don't collide15:16
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haleybThe other is to use your patch, which sends everything via the snat namespace15:17
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Swamihaleyb: yes we should look through it. The issue that Xiao had with my patch was, he was more concerned about the behavior that the packet was going through snat and looped back and reached the fipnamespace even if they both reside on the same node.15:18
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haleybSwami: yes, non-optimal but functionally correct.  What do you think of forcing a port-range ?15:19
carl_baldwinIn most cases, it will go through snat ns anyway.15:19
carl_baldwinIt is just trying to optimize the case where two vms happen to land on the same host.  It isn't a compelling optimization IMO.15:20
Swamicarl_baldwin: agreed15:20
carl_baldwinBut, I'm willing to entertain the port range idea a bit too.  Though, it does seem a bit like a hack to optimize a lucky case.15:20
haleybcarl_baldwin: yes, the odds are small that two are on the same node, except in our non-real-world testing :)15:21
carl_baldwinhaleyb: very good point!15:21
Swamihaleyb:+115:22
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haleybwhen we can support 500 VMs per compute...15:22
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SwamiAny other questions on this bug? if not we can move on.15:24
SwamiOk, the next one is15:25
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/156604615:25
openstackLaunchpad bug 1566046 in neutron "Fix TypeError when trying to update an arp entry for ports with allowed_address_pairs on DVR router" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:25
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SwamiThere is a patch under review for this bug.15:25
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301410/15:25
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Swamiis anyone there15:27
SwamiI can't see any response15:28
haleybyes, i was looking at the review15:28
Swamihaleyb: thanks15:28
SwamiIt was silent, so I just thought I got dropped.15:29
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haleybnext?15:30
Swamiyes, let me move on15:30
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Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1564575 - (MUST FIX) (SNAT Move)15:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1564575 in neutron "DVR router namespaces are deleted when we manually move a DVR router from one SNAT_node to another SNAT_node even though there are active VMs in the node" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:30
Swami Patch: * https://review.openstack.org/#/c/3015:30
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SwamiThe patch to address this bug is15:30
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Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300268/15:31
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SwamiI need to add some test cases for this patch.15:31
SwamiBut before we address this patch, there is an auto-scheduler issue with DVR routers that does not help this patch.15:31
SwamiSo I have reverted the auto-schedule enablement for the dvr router patch.15:32
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301880/15:32
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SwamiI did see a comment from obondarev that there is another patch that assaf owns that might work.15:32
haleybSwami: Oleg mentioned https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285480 in that15:32
SwamiI have not tested with assaf patch, but will test it out.15:33
haleybthat removes the auto-schedue code15:33
obondarevyeah15:33
obondarevthat should help15:33
obondarevanyway I thing it's too radical to revert15:33
Swamiwill test it out, then we can probably push assaf patch first and then address the snat move patch, otherwise it would not work, or I will make mine dependent on the other.15:33
Swamiobondarev: sorry I was not intending to revert, but that's how it works.15:34
SwamiOk, that's all I had for the new bugs this week.15:35
obondarevSwami: no worries, I just want we handle it as correctly15:35
obondarevas possible15:35
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Swamiobondarev: yes understood.15:36
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Swamiobondarev: also with the snat manual move, I just want to check if it does not affect the snat ha logic, if it has any dependency on auto-scheduler.15:36
SwamiI also have a patch related to SNAT move and also addresses this bug.15:37
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/155790915:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 1557909 in neutron "SNAT namespace is not getting cleared after the manual move of SNAT with dead agent" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:37
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302068/15:38
SwamiThis patch needs review15:38
SwamiRight now this bug has been filed against liberty, but this will be also seen when we introduce the snat move again in master.15:38
haleybQuick question about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/156211015:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1562110 in neutron "link-lock-address allocater for DVR has a limit of 256 address pairs per node" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:40
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haleybcarl_baldwin: did you want us to remove the constants.py changes from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297839/ for this?15:40
Swamihaleyb: yes15:40
* carl_baldwin looks...15:40
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carl_baldwinyes15:41
Swami_sorry got disconnected15:41
haleybcarl_baldwin: ok, i'll split it out as I added it in the first place15:41
Swami_haleyb: what are we planning to split15:42
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haleybSwami: removing the constants.py changes from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297839/ into a follow-on.  i.e. fix the bug first, then make it pretty15:42
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Swami_haleyb: ok got it15:43
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haleybi'll take care of it toda15:43
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Swami_haleyb: thanks15:43
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Swami_that's all I have for the bugs today.15:44
haleybAny other bugs anyone wants to bring up ?15:45
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Swami_nothing more.15:46
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haleyb#topic Gate Failures15:47
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Swami_The multinode failures have subsided.15:47
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Swami_But the delta for the single node check job is above normal.15:48
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haleybyes, still higher than base job, i can't say i've seen a clear-cut pattern (yet)15:49
Swami_I haven't had a chance to see the details, but this is based on the graph.15:49
Swami_haleyb: you are right it always fluctuates.15:49
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haleybi always say i'll spend a day looking, but never found that much time, so parly just relying on each of us to raise when a specific issue is noticed15:51
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Swami_haleyb: yes same here15:51
haleybi.e. if you see a failure in one of your patches, look in logs before running recheck15:52
obondarev++15:52
Swami_haleyb:++15:52
obondarevor in patches that you review15:52
haleybwe could always blame it in tox_install.sh, or whatever that was last week15:53
haleyb:)15:53
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haleybmoving on...15:53
haleyb#topic Stable backports15:53
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haleybimo, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273235/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273236/ need to merge into stable/libery, as they make some base changes that make other backports easier15:54
Swami_haleyb: ok will take a look at those patches.15:55
haleybihar +2'd them today, need to get someone else with stable +2 power to take a look15:55
Swami_haleyb: good15:55
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haleyb#topic Open Discussion15:56
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haleybany other issues, got 3 minutes15:57
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Swami_haleyb: the nova patch that we had for live migration is still idle.15:57
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haleybhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/275073/15:57
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haleybDo we need to get the tempest change in?  maybe ping mattm on that patch15:58
Swami_haleyb: yes, it has +1s from the neutron cores right now.15:58
Swami_haleyb: ok will ping him again today15:58
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haleybi think he was fine with the nova patch merging without the tempest one15:59
Swami_haleyb: yes that's what I thought as well15:59
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haleybif we can get one +2 the other should follow quickly15:59
Swami_haleyb: yes16:00
haleybtop of hour, thanks everyone16:00
haleyb#endmeeting16:00
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Swami_bye16:00
rkukurahi ML2’ers!16:00
yamamotohi16:00
Sukhdev_hello16:01
yamahatahello16:01
rkukurawith scheuran, we’ve got the usual suspects, so lets get started...16:02
rkukura#startmeeting networking_ml216:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr  6 16:02:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
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scheuranhi16:02
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rkukura#topic Agenda16:02
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rkukura#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_April_6.2C_201616:03
rkukuraDoes anyone want to add/remove anything from the agenda today?16:03
rkukurashould be a relatively quick meeting today16:03
rkukura#topic Announcements16:04
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rkukuraThe Mitaka release is this week16:04
rkukuraNewton summit is approaching16:04
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rkukuraand, …16:04
rkukuratoday is Sukhdev_’s birthday!16:04
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Sukhdev_It was my turn to chair - hence, Bob graciously agreed to chair16:05
scheuranSukhdev_, happy birthday!!16:06
rkukuraSukhdev_ did the agenda, and kept it nice and short, so I’m happy to do it!16:06
Sukhdev_Thanks scheuran16:06
rkukuraany other announcements?16:06
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rkukura#topic Design Summit Ideas16:07
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rkukura#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas16:07
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Sukhdev_If you look at item 1, I am trying to get a session for Manila integration with Neutron -16:08
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rkukuraWe’ve got a couple of ML2 items, some OVS items, and others that will impact ML2 I’m sure16:08
Sukhdev_this really has to do with HPB16:08
Sukhdev_Number of total session for Neutron is 9 - so, it is going to be tight16:09
rkukuraSukhdev_: Yes, I’ve had some conversions regarding this as well - its really that Manilla was assuming the providernet extension was all it needed to know to attach to networks, which never was really guaranteed16:09
rkukuraMaybe a manilla session for that one?16:09
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rkukuraThat might also be something we can discuss with the appropriate manilla people on Friday16:10
rkukuraAnything missing that should be discussed at the summit?16:10
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Sukhdev_rkukura : Yup - Friday session will be good16:10
rkukurameetbot was not running last week, so its possible something was mentioned that I don’t recall16:11
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Sukhdev_rkukura : I discussed with armax to group some of these topics into one session16:11
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rkukuraok16:12
Sukhdev_for instance, visibility into segments of a network (added by rkukura), and manila requirements, routed network's segments, etc..16:12
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Sukhdev_all related to visibility into HPB and segments related to a network16:13
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yamamotorkukura: missing part of log: http://paste.openstack.org/show/492483/16:13
rkukurayamamoto: thanks!16:13
rkukuraI just noticed the PBAM idea on the etherpad - this looks like some kind of alternative to backend-specific ML2 extension drivers, so might be of interest16:15
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rkukuraSukhdev_: Did armax say when he’d have an initial session schedule ready?16:15
Sukhdev_no16:16
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rkukuraOK16:16
rkukuraAnything else on this topic?16:16
Sukhdev_I think the deadline to putting sessions on schedule is April 1716:16
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Sukhdev_so, probably some time next week16:16
rkukurathanks16:17
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rkukura#topic Migration and Port Binding16:17
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rkukurascheuran: I added the links to my old DVR cleanup patch and bug to last week’s agenda16:18
scheuranrkukura, oh cool, have not yet seen it16:18
scheuranthanks16:18
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rkukuraDo you have any update for us?16:18
scheuran#link https://review.openstack.org/29710016:18
scheuran^ this is the prototype - did some refactoring16:19
scheuranand the nova live migration guys asked me to write down a nova spec16:19
scheuran#link https://review.openstack.org/30109016:19
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scheuranhaven't found any showstopper so far16:20
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rkukurascheuran: Thanks!16:20
scheuranrkukura, but I'll also have a look at your patchset regarding portbinding, maybe this is a good alternative16:20
scheuranthat's it16:20
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rkukuraSo this approach just updates the port with the new host_id, land uses the port binding results for the new activation of the instance?16:21
scheuranrkukura, exactly16:21
rkukuraThis sounds like it should be sufficient in many cases16:22
scheuranand on migration failure, I  set the host_id back to the source port16:22
rkukuramakes sense16:22
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rkukuraIf some ML2 MD immediately stopped the flow of traffic when its port binding was torn down, would that be a problem with this approach?16:23
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scheuranrkukura, yes16:23
scheuranthat would be a problem16:23
scheurancause it might take some time to migrate the instance16:24
scheuranin this timeframe it is not available16:24
rkukuraIs there an assumption both run at the same time? Or should there be a separate explicit cut-over of traffic after the new one is ready?16:24
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scheuranrkukura, there is a explicit cut over16:25
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scheuranso for a few millisends it is not reachable16:25
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rkukurascheuran: How is that cutover implemented in terms of the Neutron API?16:26
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scheuranrkukura, sorry, I didn't get the question16:26
scheuranNeutron API is not affected at all, I think16:27
scheurannova triggers the migration (e.g. via a command to libvirt)16:27
scheuranlibvirt starts migrating16:27
rkukuraOK, maybe that is all that’s needed16:28
scheuranat one point, libvirt decides to pause the source16:28
scheurancopy over the rest16:28
scheuranand activate the instance on the target16:28
scheuranafter that succeeded, nova updates the portbinding16:28
rkukuraSo the assumtion is that Neutron will allow traffic to/from both VMs while this is happening?16:29
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scheuranrkukura, yes16:29
rkukuraAnd libvirt is what’s ensuring only one is active on the network at any one time?16:29
scheuranrkukura, yes16:29
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scheuranyou will never have 2 running instances16:30
scheuranat least one is in paused state16:30
scheuranalways16:30
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rkukuraOK, for the reference implementation we are probably OK, but I’m a bit concerned that some MDs may need to know not to stop traffic immediately when the port is initially unbound.16:31
scheuranbut what could be problematic is a scenario where you have a sdn controller16:31
scheuranrkukura, agree16:31
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rkukuraSo this is where the distributed binding support may be needed.16:31
scheuranrkukura, yep16:32
yamamotofyi, midonet has the exact problem16:32
scheuranwhy did it never land?16:32
rkukuraI never had time to complete the patches16:32
scheuranyamamoto, ah interesting - so you're shutting down the port when the binding:host_id changes?16:32
rkukuraAnd it kind of fell off everyone’s priority list16:32
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scheuranrkukura, ok - so there's still another use case for it16:33
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yamamotoscheuran: well, it isn't binding:host_id. (so not the exact problem acutually)  it stops the traffic on from-host when nova plugs the port on the to-host. ie. pre-livemigration16:34
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scheuranyamamoto, ah ok16:34
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scheuranyes, that's another problem16:35
scheuranyamamoto, but do you have an idea how to get around?16:35
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yamamotoscheuran: no idea. but i suspect it needs some explicit notification from nova, or multiple-plugging support in midonet-side.16:36
scheuranrkukura, so let me have a look at your patches until next week. I can find it in the meeting logs of last weeks meeting, right?16:36
rkukuraYes, or in the agenda from last week16:37
yamamotoscheuran: let me know if you have a better idea16:37
rkukuraSo it sounds to me like scheuran’s nova patch is a good first step, but some addtional work may be needed.16:37
Sukhdev_#link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/136739116:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 1367391 in neutron "ML2 DVR port binding implementation unnecessarily duplicates schema and logic" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Robert Kukura (rkukura)16:37
rkukuraSukhdev_: thanks16:37
Sukhdev_#link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189410/16:37
scheuranrkukura, agree16:38
scheuranyamamoto, sure16:39
rkukuraAnything else on this for today?16:39
scheuranno16:39
rkukura#topic Open Discussion16:39
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rkukuraAnything to discuss?16:40
yamamotowrt live migration, i want to see this finished https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274097/16:40
scheuranyamamoto, me too :)16:41
Sukhdev_rkukura : We should plan for a session on Friday during Austin summit16:41
rkukuraagreed16:41
rkukuraAnything else to discuss today, or can we wrap up and let Sukhdev_ get back to celebrating!16:42
Sukhdev_nothing from me -16:42
rkukuraok, last call…16:43
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rkukurathanks everyone!16:43
rkukura#endmeeting16:43
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mugsie#startmeeting Designate17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr  6 17:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'designate'17:00
mugsie#topic Roll Call17:00
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Kiallo/17:00
timsimo/17:00
sonuk_o/17:00
rsyedo/17:00
mugsiefederico3: ekarlso pglass courtsey ping17:00
pglasso/17:00
mugsie#topic Announcements (if any)17:01
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mugsieThe openstack/designate-tempest-plugin repo is being created :)17:01
mugsieso, when it works throuigh the config management in -infra it will be live17:01
mugsieas part of that, I was going to suggest a new core group - designate-tempest-core17:02
mugsieI would suggest it contains the current designate-core + pglass17:02
federico3o/17:02
mugsiedo people agree?17:02
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timsimDefinitely.17:03
rsyedmakes sense to me!17:03
sonuk_I  also want to work on tempest plugin17:03
mugsiesonuk_: yeap - anyone can submit code17:03
pglassi'm fine with this.17:03
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mugsiethis is about who can merge the code17:03
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Kiallre agree - yet17:04
Kiallyewp*17:04
Kiallyep**17:04
Kiall(one day, I'll learn this keyboard thing)17:04
timsimKiall must be on his laptop17:04
mugsiepglass's reviews on functional tests have been very good, and as we move on that group can grow as people have good reviews17:04
Kialllol, I am... but with a real keyboard ;)17:04
timsimmugsie: ++17:04
mugsie#topic Action Items from last week17:05
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mugsiethere was none, - it was a massive 2 hour bug triage meeting :P17:05
mugsiewell done everyone btw17:05
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mugsie#topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring)17:05
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mugsieseen as we have not done enough recently :P17:05
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Kialllol17:06
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timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/156390417:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1563904 in Designate "Periodic Recovery attempts to create ERROR'd secondary zones" [Undecided,New]17:06
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mugsiehuh17:06
Kialltimsim: wasn't that one you were looking at already? ages back?17:07
timsimI just reported it last week17:07
Kiallright, ages back :)17:07
timsimlol17:07
mugsieanyway - H, n117:07
mugsienot sure about the solution17:07
timsimYeah, that's the question17:07
KiallYea, Q on it17:07
Kiall4. You will see that the process attempts to create the zone. Which, in BIND will fail, because there are no NS records.17:08
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KiallAs in - rndc addzone fails if there are no NS records?17:08
Kiall(and SOA etc I assume)17:08
timsimYeah17:08
timsimWell17:08
mugsieI would hate to have a "if SECONDARY && transfered_at is None:" line17:08
timsimIf you have an agent that writes a zonefile17:08
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KiallThat kinda feels like expected behaviour then, I think, in order for it to eventually recover?17:08
mugsietimsim: any idea what happens for normal people? :P17:09
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timsimNot 100%, but I think it's the same type of thing.17:09
KiallAlso, we already synthesize a partial zone to keep things happy. Maybe add the default NS's while were at it?17:09
Kiall(We create just a SOA right now from memory)_17:10
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timsimI think it'd go ACTIVE if you did that though, even though it never transferred?17:10
mugsieyeah, it probably would17:11
mugsiewhich is not good17:11
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Kiallmm, maybe. anyway, I assume you're looking into it?17:11
timsimYeah. I'll assign it to myself + N117:11
KiallK17:12
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/156691117:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1566911 in Designate "Zone Export size quota doesn't show ERROR state" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Tim Simmons (timsim)17:12
timsimme = dumb17:12
timsimJust wanted to make sure we don't want to bp this to mitaka?17:12
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mugsieyes. we should17:12
timsimQuickly, anyway.17:12
Kiallthat feels like a backportable bug17:12
mugsiebut I will -2 until next week17:13
timsimBefore the release?17:13
mugsieno17:13
timsimok17:13
timsimyeah that's what I figured17:13
timsimThat's all :)17:13
mugsiesweet :)17:13
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KiallWe should skip BPs today, we've kept on top.17:13
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mugsie:)17:14
mugsie#topic Open Discussion17:14
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mugsieI have one17:14
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mugsiejust digging out a link17:14
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mugsie#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-design-designate17:15
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mugsieI need to update the design summit sched today17:15
mugsieand we have 2 topics :)17:15
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KiallWhere did the time go -_-17:15
mugsieI think the upgrade WM will be 2 anyway17:15
mugsieand the Fishbowl is the "cross project / users come shout at us" session17:16
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elarsono/17:16
mugsieand that elarson guy is terrible17:16
Kiallelarson: you're late ;)17:16
elarsonsorry folks, had to head home17:16
mugsieoh, cra17:16
mugsiecrap *17:16
mugsiehe's here17:16
elarsonwhat!!!17:16
elarson;)17:16
mugsieelarson: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-design-designate17:16
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timsimerrr, what else do we want to talk about?17:17
timsim"Beers"17:17
KiallOn the spot, I can't think of any. But - I know theres a couple I had in my head a week or two ago.17:17
mugsieOK. 13:00 UTC tommorrow is the deadline17:18
elarsonit would be good to consider smaller concrete steps for the worker model17:18
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mugsieI will make the choice then17:18
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mugsieand that will be it :)17:18
elarsonthat is slightly different from the upgrade b/c it is focused on how we get there via the code17:18
timsimThat works17:18
mugsieelarson: yeah, sure17:19
rsyedthat time is the deadline for topic suggestions?  as in, the agenda is fixed?17:19
mugsiersyed: yea, after that I will have the agenda17:19
mugsiehonestly DNSSEC has 0 chance of being a session17:20
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mugsieas does IXFR17:20
mugsiewe know *what* we need to do17:20
KiallNot noticed the :troll: at the end mugsie? ;)17:20
mugsieI figured that was for the "Nope.js"17:20
mugsiewhich is a brilliant Name for node17:20
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mugsieOK, any other agenda items?17:21
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mugsieor non agenda items even L)17:21
Kiallnot from me...17:21
* elarson is good17:22
mugsieOK then :)17:22
mugsie#endmeeting17:22
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-04-06-17.00.html17:22
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-04-06-17.00.txt17:22
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mugsie"npm lint jobs are failing due to a problem with npm registry." - did someone delete leftpad again?17:23
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amrith#startmeeting trove18:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr  6 18:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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amrithhello, let's give folks a couple of minutes to come in. we have a relatively light agenda today.18:00
tellesnobregao/18:01
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amrithgreetings all.18:01
mvandijk_./18:01
amrithI think we have a quorum so let's get moving18:01
dougshelley66o/18:02
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amrith#agenda today's meeting agenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting18:02
vkmco/18:02
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amrithI thought #agenda was supposed to do something, I guess not18:02
amrith#topic Action items from last week18:02
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amrith [cp16net] Confirm sending email to Horizon team re: RC2 [DONE]18:02
cp16net howdy yall18:02
cp16netdone18:02
amrithjust in time ..18:02
amrith[amrith] Fill out the schedule for summit sessions [done]18:03
amriththat's all I had for that ... we can look at the schedule later in this meeting18:03
amrith#topic Trove pulse update18:03
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amrith#link  http://bit.ly/1VQyg0018:03
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amrithI added numbers to the top chart18:03
amrithit made it a bit easier for me what these review counts were18:04
amrithwithout having to turn my head all the way to the left ;)18:04
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cp16netlooks good18:04
amrithwe picked up a bit of steam last week, several reviews, several merges (actually many more merges than previous weeks)18:04
amrithbut we still have a bit of a backlog18:04
amrithwhich I would like to see us catch up on18:05
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amriththere are a lot of reviews that are sitting with merge conflicts18:05
amrithand we'll have to figure the least painful sequence in which to merge them18:05
amrithif anyone has ideas on how best to do that please share18:05
vgnbkro/18:06
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amrithI use this link to see what's going on in master18:06
amrith#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/%28project:openstack/trove%20OR%20project:openstack/trove-integration%20OR%20project:openstack/trove-specs%20OR%20project:openstack/trove-dashboard%20OR%20project:openstack/python-troveclient%29%20AND%20status:open%20AND%20branch:master18:06
amrithany suggestions, thoughts on moving forward?18:07
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amriththere are several which have passed gate and are ready to go18:08
amrithI'll take that to be a no, we'll just have to slog our way through them. and there are new reviews coming in at a pretty good clip.18:09
amriththx to vkmc for the mariadb/mysql 5.6 changes and backports18:09
amriththere were a couple for mysql replication taht I think are important and we should prioritize18:09
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amrith#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300253/18:10
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amrith#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300009/18:10
amrithdougshelley66, if you'd see comments from peterstac on the latter one18:10
amrithI'd like to see if we can get these two merged quickly and also pushed back to mitaka18:11
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amrithonce we do that we should push out a release of the client (to get the module management stuff) and the server (to get these fixes). that'll be mitaka.118:11
peterstacamrith, I've spoke with dougshelley66 about it - he probably hasn't had a chance to push up a new patchset yet18:11
dougshelley66correct18:11
amrithdoes anyone else have any fixes that are worth pushing into mitaka.1, please let me know.18:12
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amrithok, sounds good. thx peterstac dougshelley6618:12
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amrithmoving along, if there's no other questions on the pulse update ...18:13
pmalik_./18:13
amrith#topic Announcements18:13
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amrithWe released Trove RC2 last week to address issues with Routes 3.218:13
amriththat's basically our Mitaka release18:13
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amrithcp16net, anything you'd like to add on this ...18:13
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amrithI'll assume that he doesn't ...18:15
johnmaamrith, is there a deadline or something like that for mitaka.118:15
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amrithjohnma, none at this time18:15
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amrithIt can't be for the next 24 or so hours18:15
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amrithat that point mitaka will become an officially stable release18:15
amrithafter that, we can do it at any time.18:15
johnmaok18:15
amrithanyone have any other announcements?18:16
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amrithok, moving along ...18:16
amrith#topic Ongoing projects for Newton18:16
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amrithThe agenda has a list of projects for Newton18:17
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amrithif anyone has updates on any of these please go ahead.18:17
amriththe python3 one is making good progress, I think.18:17
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amrithwe will have more of a review of that at summit.18:17
amrithI'd love to hear more about the CEPH and CouchDB projects which didn't make it into Mitaka.18:18
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amrithand hear how things are going there.18:18
amrithtellesnobrega, vkmc, any updates on these?18:18
vkmctellesnobrega, floor is yours :)18:18
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amrithvkmc, I guess he isn't here?18:19
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tellesnobregarelated to ceph, the last spec we drafted you guys pointed out a mistake that we made and we realized that what we were proposing was bad18:19
johnmaamrith, I am still having some internal discussions with the Cloudant folks on clustering. So will try to update the spec in a week18:19
tellesnobregadue to a security breach18:19
johnmathis is regarding CouchDB replication18:20
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tellesnobregathe problem lies on how the guest would communicate with ceph to store the backups there18:20
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tellesnobregasince that we moved our attentions to another problem, also related to backups, that is using cinder snapshots to backup trove databases, that is something that we want to discuss in austin18:21
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tellesnobregaand of course we can bring ceph discussion back to the table, we just need to take a better look into it18:21
* amrith searches for something on LP18:22
tellesnobregahi?18:23
amrithtellesnobrega, re: snapshot for replication18:23
amrithand related things, I've been working on that in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/configurable-data-storage18:23
amrithwith some folks from Red Hat actually18:23
amrithI think we're actually doing a joint presentation about it along with NetApp as well18:24
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tellesnobregai've see that discussion going around18:24
amrithso certainly, let's discuss in austin18:24
tellesnobregaamrith, awesome18:24
amrithbut re: ceph, is that something you are still working on?18:24
tellesnobregait is not high priority at this moment, but we can talk about it and see where it goes18:25
pmackinnamrith, image builder repo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295274/5...are we making progress or just debating via review comments? :-)18:25
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amrithis anyone else interested in the ceph for backups approach?18:26
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amrithjohnma, thanks18:26
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vkmcamrith, if I understood correctly tellesnobrega is still working on it18:27
amrithpmackinn, yes, I've been following that review. what do you think?18:27
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amrithvkmc, I was just reacting to his comment that it is not a high priority at the moment18:27
* pmackinn appreciates the feedback to date18:27
amrithif it is for someone else, would it make sense to allow them to work on it, or should we wait on tellesnobrega for it?18:28
amrith... not that anyone else feels that it is high priority at this time ...18:28
amrithat least, no one has said anything18:28
amrithpmackinn, what's the thinking re: project, repository, branching etc.,18:28
vkmcAFAIK he is researching different alternatives for the same use case18:28
tellesnobregaamrith, i can still drive this18:29
amrithvkmc, tellesnobrega, is there an ETA on an updated spec?18:29
pmackinnamrith, myself, vkmc are interested in ceph; tellesnobrega has lead18:29
vkmcindeed18:29
amrithand that eta is ...18:30
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vkmcETA is the design session18:30
vkmcs/session/summit/18:30
amrithok18:30
tellesnobregaamrith, ceph just got a bit overruled by cinder, we are planning a cinder snapshot spec for next week, but updates on ceph spec are not expected before the summit18:30
amrithgreat18:31
amrithis that for newton delivery?18:31
tellesnobregayes18:31
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amrithwould've been good toknow because I've been busily working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/snapshot-as-backup-strategy18:32
amrithalso for newton18:32
amrithas part of the other project I mentioned ...18:32
amrithbut be that as it might ...18:33
amrithpmackinn, any updates on the branching or not-to-branching question?18:33
amrithany other projects with updates ...18:34
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pmackinnamrith, will update that with issue and possible solutions....would that address any remaining concerns?18:34
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amrithi wouldn't go that far :)18:35
amrithbut it is certainly a tactical question18:35
pmackinnyou should!18:35
amriththen you'll say I went too far :/18:35
amrithI DON'T like the idea of start-as-a-sourceforge-project-and-come-to-us-when-you-wear-big-boy-pants.18:36
* pmackinn is just trying to optimize the review cycle :-)18:36
amrithI would like to start it right as a project like openstack-image-whatever-thing18:36
amrithand go from there.18:37
amrithsorry, repository18:37
amriththe other option is to register it as a big-tent project of its own18:37
amrithwhich is worse (I think).18:37
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* pmackinn thought that repo is what's being proposed18:37
amrithyes, repo would be ideal (I think)18:38
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amrithanyway, if you have updates on other projects, please drop them on #openstack-trove18:38
amrithlet's move on to the next one18:39
amrith#topic Summit planning18:39
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amrith#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-newton-summit-overview18:39
amriththat's the proposed schedule for sessions18:39
amrithall the things you want are at http://bit.ly/trove-newton-design-summit18:39
amrith#link http://bit.ly/trove-newton-design-summit18:39
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amrithit has links to each session, and the proposed topics for each.18:40
amrithplease take a look; session drivers are listed where appropriate18:40
amrithetherpads are in place for each session18:40
pmackinnamrith, are the bp you just mentioned listed there?18:40
* pmackinn isn't sure from titles18:40
amrithpmackinn, ask the quesiton another way, I'm not following18:41
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amrithoh, I see ...18:41
amrithfrom the agenda18:41
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amriththe projects listed18:41
amrithare they all on the agenda?18:41
amrithis that the question?18:41
amriththe answer is no.18:41
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amrithfor example, I jettisoned hbase; I've abandoned the change sets.18:42
amrithit also doesn't list some projects (like couchdb configuration groups)18:42
amrithit does list all the things which were in the etehrpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-newton-proposed-sessions18:42
amrithand most of the new projects which we are tracking for newton.18:43
amrithpmackinn, does that answer the question?18:43
pmackinnamrith, i guess if there is shared activity in snapshot backups, etc. might be good to carve out time18:44
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amrithI was going to cover it in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-newton-summit-extensible-backend-storage18:44
amrithwe have a whole session for that.18:45
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pmackinnah18:45
amrithit is to cover two sets of things; one is where we store the data, and the second is how we can best exploit those storage mechanisms.18:45
amrithcinder/manila snapshots for backup/restore are a part of that.18:45
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amrithit will also be discussed at length in18:46
amrith#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/743818:46
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amrithso to wrap that subject up18:47
amriththe session list is at http://bit.ly/trove-newton-design-summit18:47
amrithplease look for session etherpads and update them with details.18:47
amrithif you are leading one of the sessions.18:47
amrithanyone else have other things you want to add?18:48
tellesnobregaamrith, discussing cinder snapshots for trove is really important for us at this moment, so if needed we could use some of the time allocated for ceph discussion to discuss that instead18:48
amrithsounds good18:48
amrithanything else anyone wants to add ...18:48
amrith#topic Open Discussion18:49
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amrithanyone have topics they want to discuss ...18:49
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amrith.18:51
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vkmca doubt about this design session https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-newton-summit-trove-upgrades18:51
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vkmcthis is for datastore upgrades, or for trove component upgrades?18:51
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amrithdoug vgnbkr ... that's the session you led at raleigh that we're continuing in austin18:52
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pmackinnSlickNik, sent you a gdoc link for hashing out some supercatductor ideas (last week action)18:52
amrithdoug vgnbkr ^^ question from vkmc18:52
vkmcdougshelley66, vgnbkr ^18:53
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vkmcI remember we went through this in the summit as well... but we didn't separate the two features... we discussed upgrades in general18:53
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vkmcTokyo summit*18:53
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amrithyes, we discssed it in more detail in raleigh and I believe that it encompasses updates of trove on the controller, the guest and the database.18:54
amrith'the whole package'18:54
vkmcI see18:54
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vkmcwouldn't make sense to split that?18:54
vkmcI mean, you may want to ugprade the database but not trove18:54
vkmcor the other way round18:54
amrithwe could split it into two parts in the same session; we don't have the luxury of once session for each.18:55
vkmcsure!18:55
amrithno vkmc, the discussion is about upgrading each of them18:55
amrithI'm not suggesting that in practice one would have to upgrade all at the same time.18:55
vkmcoh I understand18:55
vkmcok18:55
amriththe session is to talk about all different forms of upgrade18:55
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amrithnot sure what happened to canada but maybe the internets stopped working there ...18:56
amrithand we're getting close to being out of time18:56
amrithany final thoughts, questions?18:56
amrithok, going once ...18:57
amrithgoing twice ...18:57
dougshelley66o/18:57
vkmcnothing else from my side, thx18:57
amrithgo ahead dougshelley66 ... question for you above ^^18:57
dougshelley66i was going to answer vkmc but it looks like you already did18:57
tellesnobregai got nothing as well, thanks18:58
amrithi just gave 'an' answer. I was hoping you'd give the 'right' answer :)18:58
dougshelley66the guest upgrade feature we will propose is related to upgrading a running guest from one image version to another18:58
dougshelley66the new image can contain whatever upgrades to the individual pieces that are needed18:59
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vkmcI see19:00
amrithwe're out of time ...19:00
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amrith#endmeeting19:00
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-04-06-18.00.html19:00
vkmclooking forward for more details on that, I'm very interested on how to manage updates19:00
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-04-06-18.00.txt19:00
vkmcthanks o/19:00
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-04-06-18.00.log.html19:00
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johnmathanks amrith19:01
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johnsom#startmeeting Octavia20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr  6 20:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'octavia'20:00
minwang2o20:00
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johnsomHi everyone20:00
johnsomThis will probably be a short meeting.20:00
dougwigo/20:00
dougwigis that a challenge?20:00
johnsom#topic Announcements20:00
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johnsomHA20:00
johnsomI would not do such a thing....20:01
bharathmo/20:01
johnsomWe will end up talking about endpoints again20:01
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johnsomOk, I don't really have any announcements this week.  Anyone else?20:01
TrevorVo/20:01
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johnsom#topic Docu-geddon20:02
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TrevorVI've got single-create "functioning" off the "/graphs" endpoint, but testing has been broken by my changes... I'm hunting it down now20:02
johnsom#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bugs?field.tag=docs20:02
xgerman O/20:02
TrevorVHa ha, my bad.20:02
TrevorVI thought we were doin progress reports :D20:02
johnsomFYI, we are still looking for folks to sign up for documentation bugs.20:02
johnsomWe had some folks asking about documentation again today, so well worth our time20:03
johnsom#topic Brief progress reports20:03
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johnsomTrevorV Ok, now...  grin20:03
TrevorVI've got single-create "functioning" off the "/graphs" endpoint, but testing has been broken by my changes... I'm hunting it down now20:03
TrevorV:D20:03
minwang2the following patches needs review:#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300689/20:03
minwang2#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299687/20:03
minwang2#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288208/20:03
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TrevorV#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300689/20:04
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TrevorVminwang2 missed a newline in there :D20:04
minwang2ah, thanks for pointing out20:04
johnsomI have been working on moving haproxy into a namespace in the amphora.  I think I have it functioning now, still have some testing to do and clean up the unit tests I recently broke figuring this stuff out.20:04
johnsomOtherwise it looks like a bunch of bug fixes going on.20:05
johnsomGood stuff.20:05
johnsomAny other progress reports to discuss?20:05
johnsom#topic Open Discussion20:05
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TrevorVI have a topic20:06
johnsomOk, other topics20:06
TrevorVMultiple controller workers.  Are we anywhere near ready to have the conversation on "how to do this"?20:06
johnsomSure.20:06
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johnsomIn theory it works20:06
dougwigit just needs a new endpoint.20:06
dougwigjk, put the damn torches down.20:06
* johnsom considers a vote on worker endpoints20:07
TrevorVdougwig I think I'll give you a papercut during the summit... just to say I cut you20:07
xgermanDo I need a paint brush?20:07
johnsomTrevorV Was there a particular concern about running multiple workers?20:08
xgermanI think we run multiple workers...20:08
blogansorry im late20:08
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johnsomYeah, we do20:08
xgermanBut not sure if it works at scale20:08
TrevorVjohnsom not specifically so much as we were talking about scaling issues coming up for Rackspace deployment and stuff, and didn't know if we had this figured out20:09
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TrevorVIf it "works" then I guess we at Rackspace will just have to make sure it actually does when we have the chance :D20:10
johnsomYeah, to my knowledge multiple workers functions just fine.  We still want to move to job board for HA reasons, but I think multiple workers is functional.20:10
TrevorVI do have one more topic20:10
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johnsomThen, on the scale side, there is still the multiple tenant/multiple management LAN work20:11
johnsomWhich may/may not be an issue in your deployment20:11
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johnsomTrevorV Ok, what is next?20:11
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TrevorVIt may be johnsom20:12
TrevorVThe next topic I have is "billing"20:13
TrevorVSo at Rackspace we talked about billing on a few things, and were discussing how to collect that information20:13
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TrevorVcrc32_znc (Carlos) mentioned the heartbeat mechanism already collects certain stats and sends them along, but we ignore them in favor of the "time" and the "id"20:14
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johnsomToday we have bytes in/out and connections in the octavia DB20:14
TrevorVOh, we do?20:14
TrevorVNice!20:14
johnsomI'm not convinced there aren't bugs around failover and those stats, but yes, it's being collected20:14
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TrevorVSo what about "uptime"?  Haproxy *should* be able to give that to us as well, right?  Would adding that to the heartbeat and storing it afterwards be a "problem"?20:14
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xgermanYeah. Though probably brittle since we take it from haproxy20:14
dougwigdo we have a defined set of metrics we want, and an api, and if we're talking to ceilometer?  if we make a ref amphora only solution, it'll be a pain to shoehorn in other drivers later, if we're standalone.20:15
TrevorVI'm okay with it being modular, as much of our other driver-related implementations are, dougwig20:15
johnsomAnd dougwig gets to the point....20:15
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xgermanI think I set it up modular with the Nixon20:16
xgermanMixin20:16
johnsomI thought the mixin got removed...20:16
TrevorVI'm fairly certain it was removed as well20:17
xgermanWe can resurrect that...20:17
bloganim pretty sure its still driverized20:17
TrevorVRight, so the thing I was getting at was the "size" of the heartbeat20:17
johnsomSo, for Octavia, we have this API defined: http://www.octavia.io/review/master/api/octaviaapi.html#list-listener-statistics20:17
TrevorVIf we append a bit more information to it, will it be problematic?20:18
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johnsomTrevorV Help me with "uptime" as it is a highly abused word.20:18
neelashahsorry a bit late in joining - are we talking about ceilometer support for lbaas v2?20:18
xgermanYeah, wouldn't nova know that?20:19
johnsomneelashah Kind of.  We are talking about billing topics.20:19
TrevorVneelashah its just a "metrics/billing" conversation in general20:19
TrevorVxgerman if you're talking about instance uptime, that's NOT the same as haproxy-service uptime.20:19
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neelashahin mitaka, ceilometer did add support for metrics for lbaas v220:19
johnsomTrevorV To me, uptime is a metric around availability, typically collected outside the system.20:19
TrevorVneelashah Right, but some deployers may not use ceilometer, so we'll need to help that be consumed another way20:20
xgermanTrevorV: might be good enough for billing20:20
johnsomIf you are talking about how log a load balancer has been provisioned, that is probably something that would come from the database20:20
TrevorVjohnsom except what if their LB dies for 6 hours, should we bill them?20:21
bloganyes20:21
blogan:)20:21
xgerman+120:21
TrevorVdammit brandon20:21
johnsomOk, so you are talking about traditional uptime20:21
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TrevorVSure, mostly because I didn't know another way to have that defined :D20:22
bloganthey're still taking up resources and its up to the cloud company to be proactive about refunds or the customer20:22
TrevorVI *think* haproxy has that information somewhere, right?20:22
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johnsomTrevorV I don't think so.  If it's down it's not going to tell you much20:22
TrevorVjohnsom sure, but does it have a stat that's something like, "I've been active this long" or something?20:23
johnsomWe could also bill time and a half for LBs with no members attached.20:23
TrevorVWe can calculate certain levels of down-time based on that number being reset and such20:23
xgermanYep, and the thing might be working fine in our world but some network is hosed making it not work for the customer20:23
johnsomI don't think so.  Here is the list: http://cbonte.github.io/haproxy-dconv/configuration-1.5.html#9.120:24
TrevorVxgerman which means we'd still bill them because its out of our control.  That's like saying "we won't bill you, mr customer, if you delete your app"20:24
johnsomAgain, I think you would have problems with failover, etc.20:24
xgermanHow do you bill vm?20:25
blogani think traditional uptime is a reasonable goal at first20:26
TrevorVxgerman I'm not sure, I'm just trying to get a feel for things, you know?20:26
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TrevorVOoops, left on accident20:26
xgermanNever paid for mine:-)20:26
TrevorVSo that was an interesting find, haproxy has a "downtime" value20:26
TrevorVI wonder if we should talk about billing the difference between instance up-time and the haproxy reported "downtime"...20:27
TrevorVHmmm20:27
johnsomdowntime as in all members were down20:27
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xgermanThat's the customers fault20:28
johnsomRight20:28
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TrevorVOooh I follow then20:28
TrevorVThen I'm not even sure how to collect that data for uptime20:28
bloganthe traditional way20:28
blogan:)20:29
xgermanWell, you can always count heartbeats20:29
johnsomPingdom?20:29
xgerman:-)20:29
TrevorVAre heartbeats specific enough to include an instance is errored?20:29
johnsomSorry, we probably aren't being super helpful right now.20:29
bloganheartbeats overwrite each other20:29
TrevorVLike, process is "running" but its not actually loadbalancing?20:30
bloganso you wouldn't be able to see a history of heartbeats20:30
bloganexcept through logs maybe20:30
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xgermanIt check on the stats socket20:30
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xgermanCounting heartbeat would mean work20:30
johnsomYeah, heartbeats check stats and make sure the lister count matches expected.20:30
TrevorVxgerman so you're saying in getting stats that haproxy is loadbalancing?  There will never be a time that haproxy will report stats when its not actually loadbalancing?20:30
bloganif the network in front of it is down20:31
bloganthe vip network20:31
bloganor something north of that20:31
xgerman+120:31
TrevorVblogan is that in our control or no?20:31
bloganyes and no20:31
TrevorV?20:32
bloganoctavia's? no, company infrastructure? yes20:32
TrevorVIn other words, they should not be billed for it.20:32
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blogani think thats better handled by auditing after an event like that happens20:33
TrevorVSo, in my opinion, we (maybe just Rackspace) will need a mechanism to capture/calculate up-time, and have it reported somehow to the CW to put it in the DB20:33
johnsomRight now, for health monitoring, we consider it healthy if we get stats back and the listeners are all present.20:33
johnsomhttps://github.com/openstack/octavia/blob/master/octavia/controller/healthmanager/update_db.py#L6620:33
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TrevorVRight johnsom but we just identified a scenario where that's "inaccurate"20:34
TrevorVWhen the VIP network is having issues/20:34
bloganTrevorV: the simple calculation of uptime by when the lb was created doesn't satisfy that?20:34
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TrevorVblogan that's overbilling20:34
bloganTrevorV: thats subjective20:34
xgermanMakes more money...20:35
TrevorVYep, and jorge would say we can't do that20:35
xgermanHim!20:35
bloganTrevorV: would he?20:35
TrevorVblogan I can say that billing off "amphora" uptime wouldn't necessarily be a problem20:35
johnsomI think it is really a policy thing to define your SLA and how it's measured.20:35
bloganjohnsom: agreed20:35
TrevorVSince we capture bandwidth and (other thing I can't remember) already, we'll still be billing for resources consumed20:36
bloganTrevorV: lets talk about if offline20:36
bloganwith jorge20:36
bloganbc i think thats a lofty requirement20:36
TrevorVkk blogan20:36
TrevorVLooks like we're tired of the discussion gents, but knowing that we already store those other 2 fields in the DB, we (at rackspace) should be able to move forward when we're ready, thanks guys!20:36
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bloganTrevorV: we store it by amp, still need an aggregator20:37
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ptoohillYea we discussed a good portion of this yesterday20:37
TrevorVblogan I know, but we can make that happen in the "driver" we write for it20:37
bloganwhich maybe the metering service handles, i dotn know20:37
bloganah okay20:37
TrevorVptoohill my objective was to identify what parts "weren't" done yet.20:37
johnsomYeah, to a point I think as long as it's provisioned, it's billed, and it's our responsibility to keep it healthy within the SLA.  I.e. Act/Stndby, etc20:37
bloganman i already feel out of the loop with internal workings20:38
TrevorVYeah, I agree johnsom I was just looking for the easiest way to get that information20:38
TrevorVMake things easier, etc etc20:38
TrevorVFor the billing peeps I mean20:38
TrevorVAlright, I'm good.20:38
johnsomOk.  Any other topics for this week?20:39
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johnsomOk, thanks folks!20:39
TrevorV:D20:39
johnsom#endmeeting20:39
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